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    Finally legit?

    UCI now recognizes 'alpine snow bike events'.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/2019-u...ump-track.html

    Did we need the UCI to tell us what we already knew?

    Discuss.

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    Money grab from the same folks that think racing e-motorbikes is legit.
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    Limited experience with bike racing (from close to 20 years ago) trying to remember the uci improving things.

    The current races seem legit enough on their own merit, and are fun. For the life of me can't figure out how a bureaucracy is going to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life behind bars View Post
    Money grab from the same folks that think racing e-motorbikes is legit.
    So I assume you mean real motorcycles with this comment, not e-bikes.

    Please tell me why racing an electric motorcycle isn't legit?

    KTM has won a couple (albeit exhibition) races with one at this point.

    Imagine being able to ride a motorcycle that performs as well as your old gas bike, all the while being so quiet no one even knows you were there. Sounds great to me.
    Yeah, I know range isn't there yet, but it will be.

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    It specifies that alpine snow bike is a downhill event. I guess that XC would be considered Nordic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodo View Post
    So I assume you mean real motorcycles with this comment, not e-bikes.

    Please tell me why racing an electric motorcycle isn't legit?

    KTM has won a couple (albeit exhibition) races with one at this point.

    Imagine being able to ride a motorcycle that performs as well as your old gas bike, all the while being so quiet no one even knows you were there. Sounds great to me.
    Yeah, I know range isn't there yet, but it will be.
    Sounds great to me too, as long as its not being ridden on non-motorized trails.

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    Not a good thing. The dead hand of the UCI is to be feared.
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    To MY eyes? Racing is the ugly step child of cycling in general.

    That some organization from that wing, wants to make money on fatbikes, is hardly surprising.

    *Cycling* as a passion, job, sport, pass time, escape, purge, head clearer, relationship maintainer, form of transportation etc, has WAY more non racing participants than racers.

    The sooner the folks that make them, take that to heart, and stop putting "racing bicycle" labels on every drop bar bike they make (formerly known as road bikes), stop putting stickers on cranks telling the owner that the "this bicycle is intended to be used with clip in type pedals" (implying what, that the bike police will ticket you if you use platforms, or that you'll damage the bike, or yourself??), and simply gets back to making bikes, rather than thinking anyone who throws their leg over a bike, is a "racer", we'll all be better off.

    Sure, it has driven product development, but to the lightweight to the point of fragility, end. Not better for real world, non racing, non sponsored riders who don't get free bikes every season, end. It's also driven costs to the point of nosebleed.

    I got a suspension fork in for repair a while back. The box had been to a different service center at some previous point.

    Their repair ticket was still in the box.

    Where the owners name would go? It said, instead, "Racer name".

    Are you kidding me?

    No one who gets their fork serviced, doesn't race. Okey dokey then.....

    So it won't impact fat bikes, other than to drive product designers crazy, trying to figure out how to shave more grams, so they can be 1% lighter and .023% stiffer than their competitors, yawn.

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    Casual fat bike racing amongst friends sounds cool (and fun). But as an organized spectator sport it interests me about as much as pro bass fishing, which is another way of saying it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    To MY eyes? Racing is the ugly step child of cycling in general....
    That is my concern. As it is we are seeing changes to fatbikes with their geometry being altered to suit "fast" and downhill to fit with the current advertorial because fast must be good, mustn't it? And no-one pedals up hill, do they?

    To me a fatbike's prime strength is ability to do stuff on surfaces that other bikes cannot go near, and that is usually at relatively slow speeds. I want my fatbike's geometry to be optimised for its most important duty. I don't want it optimised for a suspension fork that introduces weight, expense, compromises head angles, and is not necessary for most fatbike duties.

    However I suspect that market is very small, so it won't be long before only the specialist fatbike makers will be paying attention to it.

    What we are getting is a similar process to what happened when 4wd became popular, the bike equivalent of the SUV, and that's what mass market fatbikes will become.

    That's not a bad thing because at least we'll have an ample supply of components instead of them being small batch wait 6 months articles like they were in the past, and first generation fatbike frames like Pugsleys, Moonlanders, Mukluks, 907s, etc last forever, so we'll never be stuck.

    Yeah, racing sucks.

    (Says the man currently building a fatbike for a 24 hour race )
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    I left the racing circus a while back. Hamstering around and around and around changed all my riding to "training" rides.
    Then....I found the pugs.
    And adventure.
    And scorn and ridicule from my "racer friends".

    And I discovered back roads and stunning mountain views.
    In my back yard.
    Now, with the moonlander and the pugs V.2, I can breathe .
    And I will never look back.

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    Fat bikes killed my desire to race (and I know it did for many others as well), so perhaps this is the UCI taking their revenge.

    And another thought...."Hi, I'm from the UCI and I'm here to help you"....BAAHAABAAHAA!!!!!

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    I used to be very anti-racing, but the social bonds you make and how it gets you out and riding far exceeds the momentary exertion. Some of the "races" have been downright parties, and the more serious ones were still tons of fun. Some of the bigger ones have parties, bands, food, etc. Forcing myself to get out and race as much as possible has led to far more riding adventures outside of racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    To MY eyes? Racing is the ugly step child of cycling in general.

    That some organization from that wing, wants to make money on fatbikes, is hardly surprising.

    *Cycling* as a passion, job, sport, pass time, escape, purge, head clearer, relationship maintainer, form of transportation etc, has WAY more non racing participants than racers.

    The sooner the folks that make them, take that to heart, and stop putting "racing bicycle" labels on every drop bar bike they make (formerly known as road bikes), stop putting stickers on cranks telling the owner that the "this bicycle is intended to be used with clip in type pedals" (implying what, that the bike police will ticket you if you use platforms, or that you'll damage the bike, or yourself??), and simply gets back to making bikes, rather than thinking anyone who throws their leg over a bike, is a "racer", we'll all be better off.

    Sure, it has driven product development, but to the lightweight to the point of fragility, end. Not better for real world, non racing, non sponsored riders who don't get free bikes every season, end. It's also driven costs to the point of nosebleed.

    I got a suspension fork in for repair a while back. The box had been to a different service center at some previous point.

    Their repair ticket was still in the box.

    Where the owners name would go? It said, instead, "Racer name".

    Are you kidding me?

    No one who gets their fork serviced, doesn't race. Okey dokey then.....

    So it won't impact fat bikes, other than to drive product designers crazy, trying to figure out how to shave more grams, so they can be 1% lighter and .023% stiffer than their competitors, yawn.

    YMMV!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    It specifies that alpine snow bike is a downhill event. I guess that XC would be considered Nordic?
    Exactly. Don't fear because this probably has nothing to do with fat bikes. Current DH bikes but with studded tires is more likely what the UCI is going for.

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    Yep...this is legit-amately FUN!

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    Ah yes more alphabet soup involvement. Going to try to 'govern' fat bike racing. Screw the uci.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Just when I think you can't yell "get off my lawn!" any louder you surprise me and yell it even louder.
    What can I say, the world keeps handing me excellent fuel to feel that way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    What can I say, the world keeps handing me excellent fuel to feel that way!
    I am 66 and yelling at brats is MY job....lol
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    UCI promotes eBike racing ?
    Seriously ?

    No need to train , just buy a bigger motorcycle .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof View Post
    UCI promotes eBike racing ?
    Seriously ?

    No need to train , just buy a bigger motorcycle .....
    Yep, just like in motocross, all fat lazy slobs with no fitness....

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    I thoroughly enjoyed some local Fatbike races with great camaraderie including a couple at the local ski hill(not me in the picture).

    Commercialization has increased entry fees up to and even over $100. Then one day I went to a Fatbike race that was a bit overpriced. They didn't have a Senior citizen discount (I'm 67) and I was put into the over 45 class. Then they eliminated the "B" class 1 hour race and put everybody into the "A" class 2 hour race. At the end I said to myself "why am I doing this". Last race I ever attended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    I thoroughly enjoyed some local Fatbike races with great camaraderie including a couple at the local ski hill(not me in the picture).

    Commercialization has increased entry fees up to and even over $100. Then one day I went to a Fatbike race that was a bit overpriced. They didn't have a Senior citizen discount (I'm 67) and I was put into the over 45 class. Then they eliminated the "B" class 1 hour race and put everybody into the "A" class 2 hour race. At the end I said to myself "why am I doing this". Last race I ever attended.
    Every once and a while a race doesn't go the way you'd like. Such is life. These races were all tons of fun for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    ...They didn't have a Senior citizen discount (I'm 67) and I was put into the over 45 class. Then they eliminated the "B" class 1 hour race and put everybody into the "A" class 2 hour race. At the end I said to myself "why am I doing this".
    Yep, there's a huge gap in strength between those ages, so it makes the race kind of pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yep, there's a huge gap in strength between those ages, so it makes the race kind of pointless.
    I don't watch/follow professional sports of any type. When sports are about fun, camaraderie, friendly competition, kids, or donating to a worthwhile cause, I am all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yep, there's a huge gap in strength between those ages, so it makes the race kind of pointless.
    True, but whatís the pool of registrants? How many seniors does it draw? If itís not that many there isnít much value in fractionating the masters class further and creating age categories that have 1-2 or even no entrants. Thatís more awards and more work for the organizers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    True, but whatís the pool of registrants? How many seniors does it draw? If itís not that many there isnít much value in fractionating the masters class further and creating age categories that have 1-2 or even no entrants. Thatís more awards and more work for the organizers.
    So? That will encourage other people to race. Iíve had races where just two people showed up, myself and a woman. We won the shit out of that and the promoters around here donít hold back if thereís only one person in a field. If you donít want that person to win, then compete!
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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    I don't watch/follow professional sports of any type. When sports are about fun, camaraderie, friendly competition, kids, or donating to a worthwhile cause, I am all in.

    Our society created Lance Armstrong. We are the ones who made him into Lord Voldemart.
    Same here. I just donít understand watching ďsportsĒ. I donít understand why. Why when I can be out doing something? Fat bikes make this even more extreme, I can get out in just about any weather and have a good time.
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    1. what is the UCI?

    2. "legit" was the first time I rode my non fat bike (BMX) in the snow when I was a kid. That was all the permission I needed. Now, riding my Krampus in the snow is even more "legit" than the BMX...but not by much
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    1. what is the UCI?

    2. "legit" was the first time I rode my non fat bike (BMX) in the snow when I was a kid. That was all the permission I needed. Now, riding my Krampus in the snow is even more "legit" than the BMX...but not by much
    But were you too legit to quit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    True, but whatís the pool of registrants? How many seniors does it draw? If itís not that many there isnít much value in fractionating the masters class further and creating age categories that have 1-2 or even no entrants. Thatís more awards and more work for the organizers.
    Don't need awards, just need someone to race on fair terms. If you're going to have age classes, then offer a full range and don't discriminate against older riders.

    There's a far bigger gap between a rider over 65 and one in their in mid 40s than there is between 25 and 45 (based on my personal fitness).

    For example I'm competing in the World 24 Hour solo champs in a couple of weeks. I know people who would have entered if there was a class where they could be sure they had a race on equal terms.

    No one wants to be a mobile chicane in a far younger age class or to be getting in the way, so if there isn't an age class, it's an active discouragement to participation by older riders.


    BTW it looks like I'll end up in the 45+ group, I may as well have just signed up for the elite class. My race game in these circumstances is simply to try to be not dead last and hope for a bit of unpleasant weather to cull the field during the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    But were you too legit to quit?
    I did wear parachute pants when I rode back in the 90's, so....yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Don't need awards, just need someone to race on fair terms. If you're going to have age classes, then offer a full range and don't discriminate against older riders.

    There's a far bigger gap between a rider over 65 and one in their in mid 40s than there is between 25 and 45 (based on my personal fitness).

    For example I'm competing in the World 24 Hour solo champs in a couple of weeks. I know people who would have entered if there was a class where they could be sure they had a race on equal terms.

    No one wants to be a mobile chicane in a far younger age class or to be getting in the way, so if there isn't an age class, it's an active discouragement to participation by older riders.


    BTW it looks like I'll end up in the 45+ group, I may as well have just signed up for the elite class. My race game in these circumstances is simply to try to be not dead last and hope for a bit of unpleasant weather to cull the field during the race.
    +1 ^^

    I used to be pretty competitive. My ego was stronger. I have boxes of old trophys etc. Now I am mostly about fun. If there is no "old fart" class, then throw me a bone, give us a Sr citizen discount.

    I favorably remember one fatbike race in particular. The entry fee was optional donation. It was all about fun, I was mainly trying to keep up with some chick. It was not too bad riding behind her

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    Fat bike races have been popular in Ontario for a while now. In the summer there is often a fat bike category and in the winter it is all about fat bikes.

    But we mostly ride groomed or packed snow, so no need for huge 5Ē tires or studs, unless riding on frozen water or after a melt-freeze event (which we do get a few times).

    Interestingly, I rode in the winter my normal mountain bikes with 2-2.25 tires with no problems. Then the fat bike police came and they no longer allow normal tires on winter trails where I ride. They told me that my tires will destroy trails, yet I only show up when trails are frozen solid and the snow is packed. This is the main reason I bought my fat bike.
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    Well that blows. We do have a couple trails in the state-park that are fat-bike only, but they are closed to all bikes in the summer due to just being too soggy and swampy to support them. Everything else is open and people are pretty good about it, it is nice to take your skinny studded bike out when the conditions are hardpack, I'd suck to not have that option.
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