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    Fatbikes under $1000 bucks

    We all know about Framed, Bikes Direct and Walgoose. Any one else apart of this box of crayons?
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    The aluminum charge cooker maxi 1 is 999 I believe. Pretty nice ride for the money.
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    What? They actually make bikes that cost less than $1000?

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    KHS 4 Season 500 is around $1k MSRP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trower View Post
    The aluminum charge cooker maxi 1 is 999 I believe. Pretty nice ride for the money.
    Charge Bikes / Cooker Maxi 1

    That looks like a Boris frame from bikes direct, what do you think?
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    I have a Boris from BD....I think its the same as a KHS?
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    What's the biggest difference in these under $1000 bikes and, say, your $1500-$2000 Pugsley or Mukluk type fat bikes? Components? Frame quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    That looks like a Boris frame from bikes direct, what do you think?
    Yes, looks like it. KHS 4 Season 1000 is basically Boris X5 ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassavant89 View Post
    What's the biggest difference in these under $1000 bikes and, say, your $1500-$2000 Pugsley or Mukluk type fat bikes? Components? Frame quality?
    I've got the pre-bluto BD Lurch. Paid $879, now priced at $999. No complaints on specs = x7/x9, BB7, solid frame.

    To me the biggest issue is the stock tire rim combo. The stock Vee Snowshoe was horrible. Swapped with Surly Bud/Lou. The rim is heavy and not tubeless compatible. Will be replacing with either the Sun Ringle Mulefut or Bontrager Jackalope.

    That adds roughly $1000 to the price of the bike. Many people are happy with the stock setup...as usual, it's a personal preference thing.

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    My Nashbar Big Ol Fat Bike came to me shipped for less than $1000. Excellent chro mo frame with solid components and ordinary wheels and cheap tires. Main cost savings were in the wheels and tires and the throw away seat. Everything else is as good as I'll ever need, and after I drill the 4" wheels they'll be keepers too.

    I'll get some Rabbit hole rims and 3" Knards and have a freak of a one bike setup for any use I'll ever need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Jed View Post
    My Nashbar Big Ol Fat Bike came to me shipped for less than $1000. Excellent chro mo frame with solid components and ordinary wheels and cheap tires. Main cost savings were in the wheels and tires and the throw away seat. Everything else is as good as I'll ever need, and after I drill the 4" wheels they'll be keepers too.

    I'll get some Rabbit hole rims and 3" Knards and have a freak of a one bike setup for any use I'll ever need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassavant89 View Post
    What's the biggest difference in these under $1000 bikes and, say, your $1500-$2000 Pugsley or Mukluk type fat bikes? Components? Frame quality?
    Guessing here. I would imagine the under $1000 bike frame is MASS produced compared to the above mentioned bikes. That makes for a lower price point. Puges are steal that's most certainly more expensive then the CoMo or Alum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    You have a weight on that Bad boy?
    No I don't...something north of 30 pounds I'm sure, probably 35 ish. And chrome moly is steel...it has a steel frame like Teh Pugs. Beautifully welded, I might add...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Jed View Post
    My Nashbar Big Ol Fat Bike came to me shipped for less than $1000. Excellent chro mo frame
    I wish they would just sell that frame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunalic View Post
    I wish they would just sell that frame!
    Other than wheels and tires and seat, how would you build it out differently, that would really effect it's function or durability? (I don't know if there is something I should think about upgrading.)

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    What about an $1800 Fatboy from Specialized with a lifetime warranty from your LBS. I don't know about other LBS's but I got the $1800 OTD price with lifetime warranty and tuneups. I have no problem paying a bit more for this level of service, and I have used it and appreciate it. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Guzzi Obrian View Post
    What about an $1800 Fatboy from Specialized with a lifetime warranty from your LBS. I don't know about other LBS's but I got the $1800 OTD price with lifetime warranty and tuneups. I have no problem paying a bit more for this level of service, and I have used it and appreciate it. YMMV
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    I'm with you...I'm a LBS supporter in a major way, but this happened to be exactly the bike I wanted, and OD green to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    We all know about Framed, Bikes Direct and Walgoose. Any one else apart of this box of crayons?
    I think these Taiwan (or Chinese) fat bikes will also fit that price range.

    26x44cm XDS Brute Fat Bike Grey/Black

    K2 Sideshow Fatbike

    The price is generally around 800 to 900.
    Depends I guess on the parts you choose?

    more info:

    XDS Fat 21-Speed 17" Fat Tire Bike - XDS Bikes

    Mountain Bikes: XDS Fat Bike 3.0 - Big Boy




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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Guzzi Obrian View Post
    What about an $1800 Fatboy from Specialized with a lifetime warranty from your LBS. I don't know about other LBS's but I got the $1800 OTD price with lifetime warranty and tuneups. I have no problem paying a bit more for this level of service, and I have used it and appreciate it. YMMV
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    Well its more than $1000 bucks and for the person who's going to ride the bike won't put it to the test. The reason for this particular thread is to bring to one place all the fatbikes that are cheap and only get a days interest on this forum and descend to page two. That's why I did not mention the Fatboy it in the OP. I completely see your point and for many bikers who have even the slightest potential to become a avid Fatty rider I would recommend the $2000 price point even for their first bike. Mine was $3200 in 2012.
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    I'm wanting to get back into the biking scene and really like what I see with these fat bikes.

    I'm planning to budget for around $1500 (not to derail this thread) I've always been interested in Surly bikes and really like the looks of the Ice Cream Truck.

    I don't need THE BEST components as I can always upgrade later, wouldn't mind starting with a simple build with a nice frame and nice wheel set. From what research I've done (very little) I think I'd like the clown shoes with 4''+ wide tires.

    Is that doable for my price range? May even order it single speed, if that makes things cheaper. I'm looking for simplicity, a neighborhood/commuter/light trail cruiser.

    Also like the Specialized mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    What? They actually make bikes that cost less than $1000?
    That's what I was thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    Guessing here. I would imagine the under $1000 bike frame is MASS produced compared to the above mentioned bikes. That makes for a lower price point. Puges are steal that's most certainly more expensive then the CoMo or Alum.
    you seem pretty knowledgeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    I completely see your point and for many bikers who have even the slightest potential to become a avid Fatty rider I would recommend the $2000 price point even for their first bike. Mine was $3200 in 2012.
    I have no experience whatsoever with fatbikes, but I agree. My full suspension was in the 30 lbs range and I felt to further the advantage over my old bike it needed to be in the 30 lbs range am I wrong? I can't see a heavy fatbike being better even if it does have bigger tires for better traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy21 View Post
    I'm wanting to get back into the biking scene and really like what I see with these fat bikes.

    I'm planning to budget for around $1500 (not to derail this thread) I've always been interested in Surly bikes and really like the looks of the Ice Cream Truck.

    I don't need THE BEST components as I can always upgrade later, wouldn't mind starting with a simple build with a nice frame and nice wheel set. From what research I've done (very little) I think I'd like the clown shoes with 4''+ wide tires.

    Is that doable for my price range? May even order it single speed, if that makes things cheaper. I'm looking for simplicity, a neighborhood/commuter/light trail cruiser.

    Also like the Specialized mentioned above.
    Do yourself a favor and take a Trek Farley 6 for a ride. Then decide.
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    The Game changer:

    Bucksaw | Bikes | Salsa Cycles

    Buckshaw 2, $4,000.00

    Yeah I'm saving up for it, got $1600 so far...
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    Quote Originally Posted by diffy View Post
    I think these Taiwan (or Chinese) fat bikes will also fit that price range.

    26x44cm XDS Brute Fat Bike Grey/Black

    K2 Sideshow Fatbike

    The price is generally around 800 to 900.
    Depends I guess on the parts you choose?

    more info:

    XDS Fat 21-Speed 17" Fat Tire Bike - XDS Bikes

    Mountain Bikes: XDS Fat Bike 3.0 - Big Boy




    cheers!
    I did not know any of these bikes existed. Lots of options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy21 View Post
    I'm wanting to get back into the biking scene and really like what I see with these fat bikes.

    I'm planning to budget for around $1500 (not to derail this thread) I've always been interested in Surly bikes and really like the looks of the Ice Cream Truck.

    I don't need THE BEST components as I can always upgrade later, wouldn't mind starting with a simple build with a nice frame and nice wheel set. From what research I've done (very little) I think I'd like the clown shoes with 4''+ wide tires.

    Is that doable for my price range? May even order it single speed, if that makes things cheaper. I'm looking for simplicity, a neighborhood/commuter/light trail cruiser.

    Also like the Specialized mentioned above.
    Couple of thoughts. The next $500 you spend, meaning moving up to $2000 will get you exactly what you want and you won't be wishing for more for at least a little while.

    You might try a Bikes Direct frame that fits 5 inch tires then just get some clown shoes.

    Or just get the ICE cream truck. Whats your price on getting an Ice Cream Truck?

    Why do you want Clown Shoes and 4 inch tires.

    I maybe wrong here, someone correct me if I am, but I think nicer SS are more expensive than the traditional 2x and 3x counter parts. Availability of parts and demand keep the price up.

    Good luck
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    Now even Sport Check has their fat bike for sale. It is nowhere worth $999, but being Sport Check, they will most likely have a 20-30% sale at some point. Lets say $699 on sale and it could be interesting for a non avid biker to try, that does not want to go through the hassle and extra expense (or does not know it is and option) of importing Framed, Nashbar or Bikesdirect bike to Canada. At least it wasn't 50lbs like Kawasaki Sumo.

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    Samox 32/22T crank (I think...)
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    4"-ish tires, heavy cheapo wheels??
    around 38-40lbs??

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    I bought the BikesDirect Boris X9 for $800. Upgraded the tires to On One Floaters and converted to tubeless via split tube, On One Mary handlebars and ODI Rouge grips. All this for less than $1000. I took the bike for a maiden ride in the snow and it was a blast! Excellent traction on the ice/snow packed road and single track trail at 7 PSI in the floaters. BTW, no issues with the split tube method, holds pressure for weeks.

    If a person can work on their bikes, BD is the way to go and if you want a Bluto, the Gravity Bullseye Monster Pro comes in at $999.

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    Fatbikes under $1000 bucks

    I've never built up a bike but sort of think anything can be learned and the LBS could bail me out.

    I am hesitant to order site unseen/ridden so am leaning toward Minnesota 3.0. However, I like the Boris build and specs. Decisions, decisions.

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    Fattyz Under $1000??

    After seeing a Charge Cooker Maxi for the first time and seeing it's $1600 price tag, I was on a mission to find me a Fatty that costs no more than $850. Wifey would not let me spend any more than that.

    I discovered the mass produced Mongoose line of fat bikes that cost from $197 to $350. I was stoked to buy one, but none were available anywhere during my searching period. So, I turned to Ebay to see what I could find.

    The Framed Minnesota 1.0 was the Fatty I finally settled for. $849 was the cost, free shipping and it would come with an extra set of wheels with 2 inch wide tires. $749 with free shipping without the extra set of wheels. I was getting ready to click the Purchase Now button, when I came across an auction for a Fatty with a built-on removable rack and a starting bid of $499. The bike was called the Surface 604 Element. I went to the Surface 604 website and found the bike retailing for $999.

    Back to Ebay, that Surface Fatty auction was down to it's final 3 minutes when I made my bid move. I was the first person to bid on it. 3 minutes expired and I was the only person to bid on it. The bike showed up in the mail 8 days later. $499 and $99 to ship to me in NYC from Canada. I couldn't be happier!

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    Think of this....

    Bike Shops are probably paying the same price for the Salsas, Treks, ect, in boxes to build as what BikesDirect charge people who want to build their own bikes in their homes.

    I did A LOT of test riding and research before buying my Gravity Bullseye Monster and LOVE that bike! I will probably ride it all year on all surfaces! LOVE IT! Cost $499 and the time it took my husband to put it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marna_Kazmaier View Post
    Bike Shops are probably paying the same price for the Salsas, Treks, ect, in boxes to build as what BikesDirect charge people who want to build their own bikes in their homes.
    That's what BD wants people to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkzhao View Post
    That's what BD wants people to think.
    So? What do you think LBS pay for their Dealership and Bikes? The LBS make enough money to stay in business, pay rent, insurance, take home paychecks for how many people? And everything else.

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    I saw some comments on Chinese parts. PLEASE do your research, you might be surprised how much of these bikes, all or many brands that is, can and are made in China.

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    Ballpark estimate for dealer cost is around 60% of MSRP.

    This varies as there is usually tiered pricing that gives lower costs to dealers who sell more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marna_Kazmaier View Post
    So? What do you think LBS pay for their Dealership and Bikes? The LBS make enough money to stay in business, pay rent, insurance, take home paychecks for how many people? And everything else.
    Maybe I slightly misread your original post. What BD wants people to think is that their bikes are the same quality as the major brands.

    A BD bike that would be the same price as a dealer price for a Salsa,Trek, ect would be of lower build and component quality. Now they are still good value bikes, just not nearly the "killer deal" that BD wants you to think they are.

    I think earlier in this thread, someone asked what the difference between a BD bike and a name brand bike is. Part of it is certainly the brand name, R&D costs, and shop assembly costs. However a lot of it is in the component details.

    Discussion on BD bikes are all over the internet and there's really nothing new to be said here for fat bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osco View Post
    The Game changer:

    Bucksaw | Bikes | Salsa Cycles

    Buckshaw 2, $4,000.00

    Yeah I'm saving up for it, got $1600 so far...
    $1800 for the frame then build it. I will have about $4100 into mine and it will be spec'd out lighter than the BS1, yet only a touch more $$ than a BS2 and I have carbon toys for it (bars and seat post). :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chader09 View Post
    Ballpark estimate for dealer cost is around 60% of MSRP.

    This varies as there is usually tiered pricing that gives lower costs to dealers who sell more.
    My point exactly. <smiles>

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkzhao View Post
    Maybe I slightly misread your original post. What BD wants people to think is that their bikes are the same quality as the major brands.

    A BD bike that would be the same price as a dealer price for a Salsa,Trek, ect would be of lower build and component quality. Now they are still good value bikes, just not nearly the "killer deal" that BD wants you to think they are.

    I think earlier in this thread, someone asked what the difference between a BD bike and a name brand bike is. Part of it is certainly the brand name, R&D costs, and shop assembly costs. However a lot of it is in the component details.

    Discussion on BD bikes are all over the internet and there's really nothing new to be said here for fat bikes.
    Yes, but my point was, the DB Bikes ARE to the quality of twice their price, compared to the Dealer/Buyer prices of other bike. And this makes them a good value for your money....IF you are able to build the bikes yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marna_Kazmaier View Post
    Yes, but my point was, the DB Bikes ARE to the quality of twice their price, compared to the Dealer/Buyer prices of other bike. And this makes them a good value for your money....IF you are able to build the bikes yourself.
    The BD bikes are a great value but they're not spec'd and thought out as well as a brand name bike at a LBS.

    For one example all you need to do is compare the wheelsets and tires that come equipped stock for stock.

    I'm in the market for my first fatbike and am considering a BD bike. But I'm not delusional. If you want good tires, wheels, hubs and drivetrain parts you're going to get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceldama View Post
    The BD bikes are a great value but they're not spec'd and thought out as well as a brand name bike at a LBS.

    For one example all you need to do is compare the wheelsets and tires that come equipped stock for stock.

    I'm in the market for my first fatbike and am considering a BD bike. But I'm not delusional. If you want good tires, wheels, hubs and drivetrain parts you're going to get what you pay for.
    You need to do more research - the drivetrain on the BD bikes is usually about the same as what you would get on an LBS bike at close to 2X the price - My $1200 Sturgis comes with the same cranks, FD, RD and the BD bike has better shifters as the Fatboy for $2100 - Yeah the tires on the Fatboy are better, but $900 will go a long way towards some new rubber. The hubs are a wash as they are both OK nothing great, but with all the reports of Fatboy stripped free hubs and no such issues on the Lurch bikes (same hubs as the Sturgis/NT) I think I would say the BD hubs are better. Heck even the brakes are the same on the Fatboy and the Sturgis. Actually turns out after I did some research the BD bikes and the Fatboy are using the SAME NOVATECH HUBS. Hmm. The first Fatboys shipped with the older 24POE hubs and the new version is much stronger and has 27POE. MY BD hub has the 27POE -
    Drink the LBS Koolaid if you want - I just want to ride and have been very impressed with the quality of both my BD bikes to date. >>> Edit to add I love my LBS and will continue to buy and support them, but just saying BD bikes are inferior is incorrect.

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    The only thing wrong with BD bikes is availability. Paying in advance and waiting 4months is not an option for some folks.
    Bucksaw, Farley, and a Sturgis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcriverjunky View Post
    The only thing wrong with BD bikes is availability. Paying in advance and waiting 4months is not an option for some folks.
    This is true - I cheated and did the Paypal thing, no payments no interest for 6 months so at least I didn't let BD use my money for 3 months, I let them use Paypal's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    This is true - I cheated and did the Paypal thing, no payments no interest for 6 months so at least I didn't let BD use my money for 3 months, I let them use Paypal's.
    I was planning on doing the same thing. I wanted a small Sturgis Bullet, I would if been middle of February before I seen it. Trek does 12 months same as cash....
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    I payed for my Bucksaw deposit with my Papal Credit as well so I don't have to pay for it until it actually ships either. :-)
    I did a Trek account years ago to buy a full squish bike. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    I did not know any of these bikes existed. Lots of options.
    They are mostly popular in Asia than in the North Am.
    I really like the quality of the aluminum frame... up close, you cant see any welds, its like they've perfected hydro-forming? Hehehe...

    Here's more info... from Thailand:
    https://image.ohozaa.com/i/2be/HMLP7v.jpg
    https://image.ohozaa.com/i/729/hsnOZ5.JPG
    https://image.ohozaa.com/i/e0e/aYCBzy.JPG

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    from Singapore:
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    cheers!
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    I have built about a dozen bikes direct bikes for friends but never owned one myself til my boris x5. I didn't want to spend a ton of money on a bike I would mainly ride on the beach and in the snow so it fit my requirements. I've spent another 150 for tires handlebar stem grips and a saddle. Not bad really. I had a problem with the back wheel, so they sent me another one. Not a big deal at all. They are great at customer service and have the best prices. Who doesn't want to support that?

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    framed mini-sota first impressions

    hi all, i had bought the framed mini-sota 24" fatbike for my 8yo's Christmas and just got it yesterday. first impressions are really good! components are good quality- having only bought top of the line product for myself up to this point, i really didnt know what to expect out of the mini-sota. miraculously, not one adjustment of brakes or shifting needed straight out if the box! im impressed. 639.00 shipped vs. the 1000.00 retail (sales tax not included) for the specialized fatboy 24... i think i made the right choice!

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    i know people are going to ask... it is 33 lbs in weight with no mods.

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    Awesome gift, makes me wish I had a son! I can only imagine the reaction he'll have Christmas morning. Then you have the best excuse to be out more on your Fatty. That alone is worth 6 hundo!

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    thanks jpfurn! my 8 yo is actually a girl, but at this point there were no other color options but i agree with your sentiment, she will love it, and the time we get to spend together biking in the snow will be worth the money!

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    Man. Hope ours is on the way. Saw they changed the date for delivery. Just got my 3.0 and my son is a bit jealous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedsled View Post
    thanks jpfurn! my 8 yo is actually a girl, but at this point there were no other color options but i agree with your sentiment, she will love it, and the time we get to spend together biking in the snow will be worth the money!
    That's what I get for assuming! Actually this is even better news, I have two daughters of my own and thought about a fat bike down the road. My initial thoughts were to wait a couple years because she isn't a strong enough rider to keep up with us on a light skinny tire MTB. I didn't want to slow her down more, plus I can't see her riding it much in the snow. As she gets stronger I'm going to have to persuade her and her sister to get out in the snow with me!

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    Jedsled, would you post a picture of the mini-sota next to your fatbike? I'd like to make even a visual comparison. I'm a smaller rider (5'5", 28 inseam) looking to buy my first fatty. I tried my friends Mongoose but it's a lot of bike to handle. Those tires are monstrous!
    I'm currently comparing 24" frames out there - Spesh fatboy 24, on-one baby fatty and this one. A low standover will be more forgiving when my feet sinks in the snow. TIA
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    Here's a couple of pictures of the Mini-Sota next to a Minnesota 2.0 and a 1.0

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    Another picture next to a Womens 2.0 15" and what I think is a 20" 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawidan View Post
    Another picture next to a Womens 2.0 15" and what I think is a 20" 2.0

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    Great!!!

    I see somewhat a 29r and 26r comparison on that one. Thanks again.
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    My dealer called and my son's mini came in yesterday. So hard for me to wait for Christmas to give it to him. Can't wait!
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    yes aarontriton, this might be an early Christmas gift... if we get the snow (;

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    skeered1, the frame on the mini is actually 13" with 24" tires... would be too small for you. im 508 with 30" inseam, and its tiny/cramped for me to ride, even tho the standover height is 25.5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedsled View Post
    skeered1, the frame on the mini is actually 13" with 24" tires... would be too small for you. im 508 with 30" inseam, and its tiny/cramped for me to ride, even tho the standover height is 25.5"
    Thanks Jeb. Naturally the top-tubes of the 24s are shorter except On-ones Babyfatty. It's only 3/4" shorter compared to my GT Sanctions top tube. The wheelsize is what attracts me. A 24" w/ 4" tires is very close in size to my 26r trailbike.
    I've only tested a friends medium fatty so it wasn't a fair trial. Tho, those 26 x 4 wheels reminds me of a 29r ride. Anyways, I'm hoping to do more test rides this weekend and hopefully get my fatty by Christmas.
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    framed mini-sota first impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by skeered1 View Post
    Jedsled, would you post a picture of the mini-sota next to your fatbike? I'd like to make even a visual comparison. I'm a smaller rider (5'5", 28 inseam) looking to buy my first fatty. I tried my friends Mongoose but it's a lot of bike to handle. Those tires are monstrous!
    I'm currently comparing 24" frames out there - Spesh fatboy 24, on-one baby fatty and this one. A low standover will be more forgiving when my feet sinks in the snow. TIA
    I'm 5' 6" and the trek farley fits me with plenty of stand over.

    And thank you for posting the pic of the mini fat bike I to will ordering one for my daughter


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    Built up my wife's Mini-Sota with a few mods yesterday.

    Xt 1x10, 11/36 cassette, race face 30t, carbon slk bars. 29 lbs on shop scale. Fort Custer on Sunday for first ride! Can't wait!

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    Any pictures soleman? That sounds like a pretty sweet setup with the 30T and 11-36 cassette.
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    11-36 1x10 using xt rear deraileur and 30t narrow wide, carbon bars and 29 lbs on shop scale

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    Looks sweet!

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    More choices

    Another option yawl.

    Badger Cycle Works

    I am still leaning on the 2015 framed 2015 for my wife, as the above bike has a 1x9 drive train.
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    The Badger looks like a great option...drilled rims and everything. 1x9 is interesting too.

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    Toss in a couple things I would look for....look at the hubs, Since every snow ride is a rain ride( active word here is water), look for hubs with sealed bearings. I like hydro brakes, set them and forget them, the cable ones seem to need more fussing with and in most cases and they do not stop as well imo.....if you think you might want front suspension, get it with the bike....but that is going to bounce you over your $1000 mark

    As for the KHS and the Boris....same frame, the KHS frame looks like it is finished a little better but they are made in the same factory imo
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    Re: framed mini-sota first impressions

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    I'm still on the fence for one of the for one of my girls (10yr) but know that I can at least get tires for the bike now gives me some hope!

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    Why worry about tires you can get them from chao yang. The stock tires are great. And now specialized had GC for 24"

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    Why worry about tires you can get them from chao yang. The stock tires are great. And now specialized had GC for 24"

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    but is specialized selling the 24" ground control tires seperately? last i checked with my dealer i couldnt...

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    Not yet . But I'm sure they will soon.

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    Missions are not great tires, esp on the front, I have a 26" set that I can't sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Missions are not great tires, esp on the front, I have a 26" set that I can't sell.
    I also have a set that I can't even give away! This is such a poor tire all around.
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    My son has 100 miles since Christmas on his stock tires we rode 15 today on ice cold single trek stock tires are great. I sure would not replace for missions I just took that garbage off my bike so sure wouldn't put them on my son's bike.

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    Just went down to the House to check out the Mini sota for my wife. She's 5' 1 1/2" with a size 7 1/2 foot. Her inseam is about 26". The main problem was here foot was hitting the front wheel when pedaling and turning. She also thought that the bike just felt too small. I'm not convinced that the bike was too small, but the foot hitting the wheel was going to be a big problem, especially with winter footwear. We passed and are waiting till I can get here to try out the Boris X9 which has a different top tube and supposedly a .7" higher standover, but feels lower when actually on the bike. Boris is in a different state currently and I will give an update, once she gets on the Boris.
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    Here is our Mini

    My son is 8 and will be 9 in a month. Mini came in early this week. We are in the process of swapping some gearing by adding a front der with a seat post adapter to 100mm bb. Swapped to triggers front and rear and a new crank with a 22/32 ring set. Everything is on but the crank is super stuck and has not been pulled yet. Have a couple options for cranks but it will be shortened to about 150-155mm by drilling and tapping new pedal holes on a 175mm crank. We did this for his xc bike. My son is a strong rider for his age/size but just a moderate grade on snow for anytime needs a much lower gear. I am considering pulling the crank on my Minnesota 3.0 with SLX rings and plastic bash and moving it over after shortening them. Then I will be forced to upgrade...
    Original crank is not drilled or fully cast for a granny.
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    2.0 size comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by skeered1 View Post
    Jedsled, would you post a picture of the mini-sota next to your fatbike? I'd like to make even a visual comparison. I'm a smaller rider (5'5", 28 inseam) looking to buy my first fatty. I tried my friends Mongoose but it's a lot of bike to handle. Those tires are monstrous!
    I'm currently comparing 24" frames out there - Spesh fatboy 24, on-one baby fatty and this one. A low standover will be more forgiving when my feet sinks in the snow. TIA
    Based on the small 2.0 I just got my wife, who is 5'8" with 33" inseam, there is very little stand over height. If I were you I would go with the 24" mini. IMHO these are not snow friendly geometry bikes. Still a great bike though. Awesome value.
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    Here you go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    Based on the small 2.0 I just got my wife, who is 5'8" with 33" inseam, there is very little stand over height. If I were you I would go with the 24" mini. IMHO these are not snow friendly geometry bikes. Still a great bike though. Awesome value.
    Minnesota 3.0 geometry is way different than 2.0. 2.0 is super tall and short in top tube giving lousy stand over. When shopping for myself at 5' 7" with short legs and a longer torso I rode the 18" 2.0 that had the right top tube but had a 19" seat tube! the 16" 3.0 had a longer top tube and way more standover. BB drop is greater on the 3.0 adding to stand over. Way more favorable geometry. Stand over is not the right way to fit a bike but it sure is nice.
    I do not see the mini being a super choice for anyone over 5'. Too short and cramped with the likeliness of toe overlap. Personally I think the 2.0 is a poorly designed fram from a geometry standpoint. Check out the 3.0 in a 16".

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesternMD View Post
    Minnesota 3.0 geometry is way different than 2.0. 2.0 is super tall and short in top tube giving lousy stand over. When shopping for myself at 5' 7" with short legs and a longer torso I rode the 18" 2.0 that had the right top tube but had a 19" seat tube! the 16" 3.0 had a longer top tube and way more standover. BB drop is greater on the 3.0 adding to stand over. Way more favorable geometry. Stand over is not the right way to fit a bike but it sure is nice.
    I do not see the mini being a super choice for anyone over 5'. Too short and cramped with the likeliness of toe overlap. Personally I think the 2.0 is a poorly designed fram from a geometry standpoint. Check out the 3.0 in a 16".
    I can agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesternMD View Post
    Minnesota 3.0 geometry is way different than 2.0. 2.0 is super tall and short in top tube giving lousy stand over. When shopping for myself at 5' 7" with short legs and a longer torso I rode the 18" 2.0 that had the right top tube but had a 19" seat tube! the 16" 3.0 had a longer top tube and way more standover. BB drop is greater on the 3.0 adding to stand over. Way more favorable geometry. Stand over is not the right way to fit a bike but it sure is nice.
    I do not see the mini being a super choice for anyone over 5'. Too short and cramped with the likeliness of toe overlap. Personally I think the 2.0 is a poorly designed fram from a geometry standpoint. Check out the 3.0 in a 16".
    ^^^ very helpful post. Thanks for sharing that.
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    Mind if I ask your wife's measurements?

    I'm looking at the Mini-Sota for myself, at just under 5'2 with a 27" inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    Mind if I ask your wife's measurements?

    I'm looking at the Mini-Sota for myself, at just under 5'2 with a 27" inseam.
    My wife is 5 1 1/2" with a 26 inseam and size 7.5 shoes. The bike was too small for her. Feet hit the front wheel when turning. Was not going to work. Said she felt like she was on a little kids bike. We're going to see if she fits the Boris, which is a waaaay better bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    My wife is 5 1 1/2" with a 26 inseam and size 7.5 shoes. The bike was too small for her. Feet hit the front wheel when turning. Was not going to work. Said she felt like she was on a little kids bike. We're going to see if she fits the Boris, which is a waaaay better bike.
    Thanks - that helps heaps

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    So generally speaking, what IS considered to be the best value on a Fat Bike under a $1000? (Minus BD bikes and used fat bikes)

    Bigfoot 6.3? Cooker Maxi 1? Minnesota 2.0? [email protected]? Fattywampus?

    Just looking to get back in to biking after a long layoff, and just looking at entry level bikes right now. Seems like a loaded question, but I didn't see a general consensus in this thread.

    Yes, yes, I know...save for a better bike, but I'm genuinely interested in the <$1K answer before I start saving for a Fatboy SE or the likes.

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    $700-$1000 to Spend

    Sorry for another one of these threads, but my buddy needs a new bike. He has $700 now, and may be able to come up with a bit more. Most of the riding will be trails, it doenst snow around here. These are the bikes he has narrowed it down to:

    1: Boris X9 $800
    2: Minnesota 1.0 $750
    3: Boris Brute $1000
    4: Gravity Monster Pro $1000

    The Boris X9 seems like the best bang for the buck, but its not Bluto ready. The Gravity Monster Pro has the bluto, but the rest of the bike isn't nearly as good. And the Minnesota is the lightest.

    Any other thoughts you guys have, or things he should consider? There are VERY few used fat bikes in this area.

    Which is the best bike for the $$$?

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    Don't know anything about said bikes but my advice is to look at the frame first for geo, material,hub width, axle type, and what fork it can run now and in the future. Look next at the wheels and hubs as those are the next big ticket items. Then cranks, brakes and tires. Lastly and for myself personally I wouldn't spend to much time on the other crap because it can be replaced inexpensively when the it wears out, self destructs, or just upgrade-itis steps in. I think to many people see an x9 rear derailleur and get all google eyed and forget about the actual heartbeat of the bike.

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    Ya thats pretty much what we have done. They are all Al frames. The Minnesota has cheaper parts, but is pounds lighter. They others are pretty much the same. mostly straight steerer tubes, and All x7 or x9 except for the Monster pro which is X4 but has a Bluto already.

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    I got the Minnesota 3.0 for just under $1,000 at a local shop, so that might be something to consider too. X7 components, 190 mm rear end, and Bluto-ready with the tapered tube and thru axle. I think it's pretty good bang for the buck, and my early review is it's super fun to ride.

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    Go for X7 and find a used Lefty set up. I think I saw one with clamps and wheel for 375 on FB Fatbike page.

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    A couple of others you might consider is the Minnesota 2.0 for $899 and possibly the Norco Bigfoot 6.3 for $949.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Don't know anything about said bikes but my advice is to look at the frame first for geo, material,hub width, axle type, and what fork it can run now and in the future...
    I agree.

    Would your friend consider buying a less expensive Boris, and using the rest of the budget on a wheelset?

    Generally speaking, unless you're paying north of $3K msrp, almost all bikes tend to come with really inexpensive stock wheels. Because a cheap, heavy wheelset can really hold back a bike, I recently purchased an X5 ($600) knowing that I'd be spending several hundred more on an upgraded wheelset.
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    I have the 2.0 and really like it. Though the shifting is a little slow under power with the x5 components. I plan on upgrading slowly. It's light and responsive, I rode a lot of singletrack before we got snow and it performed great.

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    I was looking at the KHS 4 Season well under $1k with hopes of upgrading to my likings until I stumbled on a sweet deal for a Bigfoot 6.3. KHS frame was nice too....

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    I've been looking to buy my first fat bike. I've been looking at reviews and reading forums, but it seems like everybody buys a fat bike and alters it almost instantly, this makes it hard for me to get a good idea about which bike is really a good buy. I could really use some advise on which bikes are a good value stock. I'm looking to spend around $1000 on it. I'm ok with having to do some minor modifications to it right away, but would really like to be able to ride it out of the box. Any advise would be appreciated.

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    Just so you know, my bike is still stock. Down to the saddle.

    I may swap the stem out for a slightly longer one.

    How are you with bike wrenching? The less expensive choices seem to be the popular mail order kinds.
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    I'm not scared of getting dirty. I just want to get some input before spending this kind of money. I didn't spend this kind of money on my truck. What kind of bike do you have?

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    Hey RMark. I'm looking to get my first fat bike too. I ordered one a while ago from The House who sells the Framed brand bikes. I'm getting a Minnesota 3.0 XWT hopefully soon. They are very much within your price range. You will need to get pedals. Otherwise, it looks to be a pretty good buy as is. They've had a bit of an issue with the container ships out west, but that's cleared up. They are expecting a bunch of the Minnesota bikes any time now. Go for it!

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    RMark, With your budget, I would check out the used market, which ought to be rather good in the Madison area. A lot of people may be trading up with all the new models coming out. Used will get you more bike for less money with a good chance of some important upgrades being already done. Tires are a big one, as many models come stock with 27 tpi or some of the less desirable offerings from Vee rubber. Most of the quality bikes are adequately speced, imo, with the occasional exception being tires as I mentioned. You should be able to pick up a used Mukluk or a Pug for something close to $1000. If you haven't done it already, test ride both of those bikes to see which you prefer, since they loosely represent the two predominant fatbike geo styles out there today. With a little luck the only mods you might need to do would be for fit and comfort - stems, saddle, grips, etc.
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    He ended up with a gravity bullseye pro. X7 parts with a Bluto. Should be here next week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    He ended up with a gravity bullseye pro. X7 parts with a Bluto. Should be here next week!
    good choice.. imho, trail riding on a fatbike needs bluto.. sure you can still ride rigid but with bluto, your friend will be riding faster where he would otherwise have to slow down lest he wants to be thrown off the bike.. especially on consecutive small jumps.. those are unforgiving especially without the squish upfront.. i had a wo and my fatboy (prior to bluto).. all i ride is trails.. with bluto on my fatboy, it is a totally different ride experience..

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    I ride rigid on trails all the time. I have never felt the need for a compression fork on my fatty. My 2 cents. I can understand why some riders would prefer the Bluto.

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    Has anyone had any experience with this frame? I can deal with the mechanical issues.

    I'm mostly looking for info on tire clearance and frame geometry.
    1. Can the front fork fit a 4" tire?
    2. The rear a 3.8?

    I have a 19" Gravity SS. Measurements seem similar for the 18"

    Any experiences pro or con would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance .

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    I just got a 16" Gravity Knockout complete bike from BikeIsland for my gf 2 weeks ago. Didn't even have the clearance issue on hers but put a Lizard Skin on the chainstay as the chain comes pretty close. Not sure if I got a lucky one or what. Paid $299 shipped. She's new to riding so I didn't want to invest a bunch of money on something that might not get used much. Nice looking bike and only had to do some minor tuning of the brakes and derailleurs to get it going. The Tektro brakes were much easier to dial in than the Avid BB5s that came with my fat bike. For the riding she'll do on it, it's a really good value for a complete entry level fat bike.

    Just ordered her some Framed Fatty Slims for city cruising.

    I ride a '14 Framed Minnesota 2.0 and upgraded nearly everything on it. I'm going to swap over my old SRAM X5 rear mech, shifters, brake levers, and cassette to her bike to convert it to a 2x9 setup so she can swap the Fatty Slims out easy.

    I'll see if I can mount my Framed wheels with 4" Vee Missions on her bike. Pretty sure it will be no problem on the front. I'll report back with the results soon. The rims on the Gravity Knockout are not as wide and I doubt you could put a 4" tire on them.

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    Just pulled the trigger on the mini for the kids to share (almost 12 year old shorter boy and girl). If they like it a lot I might consider getting a second one for year around use.

    Only adjustments so far are the upgrade of the handlebar to a raised one (had a short carbon laying around) and had to adjust the brakes. The levers were way to far out. That and proper torquing all over and tire pressure was super high at 25. So far the kids love it but on snow the gearing is a major concern. I think at the start I will drop the 32T down to 30T and maybe replace the cassette with 11-36 to help out. At least before considering any crank changes and adding front derailleur

    Awesome bike and matches my 3.0 Looking forward to some rides.

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    Also was quite surprised that the overall diameter with these tires came to almost exactly same as my 650b wheels on my summer bike Much larger then their 24" bikes.

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    I was finally able put my Framed Minnesota 2.0 wheels/4" Vee Rubber Missions on the Gravity Knockout. No problem in the front. On the rear, seatstay clearance is fine but I had to deflate the tire a bit to get it past the curve of the chainstays. Still it's just barely too wide to use and rubs. I would guess 3.8 would work but that would be the max. I'll try to get some pictures of the seatstay, chainstay, and front fork clearances for you tonight.

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    bike island and bikes direct....

    I was looking at the boris x7..bike island has it listed at $649 and bikes direct has it at $699..I did search and I did not want too start a this vs that thread..but $50 is $50 shaved.. why is there a price difference? ?

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    One's gonna be banged up a bit, or a return for some reason or another; that's all Bike Island sells I'm fairly sure.

    Have you read the bike island descriptions at all yet? Do it, you'll learn something. Even the drop down menu for what you buy, it'll tell you what's "wrong" with the bike.

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    I looked at the Bike Island page last night and found that they had a Gravity bullseye monster Pro for about 949 minus 150 because it had no fork. I thought about it and decided that BD has the better choice for me because a Bluto still runs $500+ to replace it. Plus at the time i don't ave the tools or space to install a fork. There real difference to me is not that much. Bike island sell it complete for $949 and I can get a factory fresh one from BD for $999. iMHO I would look at both and read carefully what is wrong with the Fat bike before plunking down my hard earned cash on a "dent and ding ' model.


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    Wow! Thanks so much for you help. I really appreciate your effort!

    Sounds like you got a good deal on a bike for you significant other. Hopefully she gets into it.

    Thanks again for you help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Also was quite surprised that the overall diameter with these tires came to almost exactly same as my 650b wheels on my summer bike Much larger then their 24" bikes.
    Awesome! Hope your little dude & dudette love it

    And I too was pleasantly surprised that the overall wheel diameter of my Fatboy 24 is close to 27.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    Awesome! Hope your little dude & dudette love it

    And I too was pleasantly surprised that the overall wheel diameter of my Fatboy 24 is close to 27.5
    thanks, unfortunately the weather is not very cooperative here in Chicago. We had lots of snow and ice and the temps went up and everything has been melting for a few days. Most of the snow should be gone by the weekend but that will leave mud everywhere and closed trails

    The wheel size is great, nice to have this frame size with larger wheels for the trails. The build does leave lots to be desired but then at that price one can;t be too choosy Also allows for some 'fun' upgrading

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Don't know anything about said bikes but my advice is to look at the frame first for geo, material,hub width, axle type, and what fork it can run now and in the future. Look next at the wheels and hubs as those are the next big ticket items. Then cranks, brakes and tires. Lastly and for myself personally I wouldn't spend to much time on the other crap because it can be replaced inexpensively when the it wears out, self destructs, or just upgrade-itis steps in. I think to many people see an x9 rear derailleur and get all google eyed and forget about the actual heartbeat of the bike.
    Good advice..and it applies to bike shops and BD as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Just pulled the trigger on the mini for the kids to share (almost 12 year old shorter boy and girl). If they like it a lot I might consider getting a second one for year around use.

    Only adjustments so far are the upgrade of the handlebar to a raised one (had a short carbon laying around) and had to adjust the brakes. The levers were way to far out. That and proper torquing all over and tire pressure was super high at 25. So far the kids love it but on snow the gearing is a major concern. I think at the start I will drop the 32T down to 30T and maybe replace the cassette with 11-36 to help out. At least before considering any crank changes and adding front derailleur

    Awesome bike and matches my 3.0 Looking forward to some rides.



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    If you don't mind, how tall is your son? The fit on that looks pretty good. Is there much, if any, toe overlap? I'm getting really close to getting one of these for my boy. Thanks for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    If you don't mind, how tall is your son? The fit on that looks pretty good. Is there much, if any, toe overlap? I'm getting really close to getting one of these for my boy. Thanks for the feedback.
    Here is a pic of my daughter and she is 4' 8"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    thanks, unfortunately the weather is not very cooperative here in Chicago. We had lots of snow and ice and the temps went up and everything has been melting for a few days. Most of the snow should be gone by the weekend but that will leave mud everywhere and closed trails
    Hopefully you'll be able to get a few rides in... enough, at least, to know which parts you want to upgrade.

    And I agree, the price is great. If I could get the Mini-sota in Canada for the price it's sold for in the US, I would have jumped at it.

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    here is the new carbon handlebar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    Hopefully you'll be able to get a few rides in... enough, at least, to know which parts you want to upgrade.

    And I agree, the price is great. If I could get the Mini-sota in Canada for the price it's sold for in the US, I would have jumped at it.
    Its all melting now and trails are completely off limits until they dry out

    Its still quite a bit to spend on a kids bike but you sure get quite a bit for the price. Will they not ship to Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Its all melting now and trails are completely off limits until they dry out

    Its still quite a bit to spend on a kids bike but you sure get quite a bit for the price. Will they not ship to Canada?
    Oh no, boo to off-limit muddy trails.

    It's an extra $120 USD to ship to Canada, plus duty/taxes. That, added to the current terrible CAD/USD exchange rate means it would be about the same price to get the Mini-sota here as to order in the Fatboy 24 at the price my LBS was willing to offer me.

    Either way quite a bit for a "kids" bike, but I'm not going to grow out of it. Your daughter is very nearly my height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    Oh no, boo to off-limit muddy trails.

    It's an extra $120 USD to ship to Canada, plus duty/taxes. That, added to the current terrible CAD/USD exchange rate means it would be about the same price to get the Mini-sota here as to order in the Fatboy 24 at the price my LBS was willing to offer me.

    Either way quite a bit for a "kids" bike, but I'm not going to grow out of it. Your daughter is very nearly my height.
    Yes, mud is not an issue but ruining the single track is. Unfortunately too many people do not care and ruin sections of the trails. Then its up to local CAMBr volunteers to fix them Few more warmer sunny days ahead of the weekend. Hopefully the wide track with its crushed limestone will be good to go.

    As far as shipping the bike, depending how far north you are, have you thought about getting the bike shipped to someone in US and go on a weekend road trip to pick it up? I'm by Chicago if that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Here is a pic of my daughter and she is 4' 8"

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    Thank you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Thank you sir!
    you are welcome, the bike is quite a bit larger then 24" Specialized Hotrock or 24" Trek 220.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belikemike View Post
    I was looking at the boris x7..bike island has it listed at $649 and bikes direct has it at $699..I did search and I did not want too start a this vs that thread..but $50 is $50 shaved.. why is there a price difference? ?
    I've bought a bike from Bike Island and can tell you most of the dings and scratches are kind of exaggerated. I believe I did more (cosmetic) damage to the bike on it's first day at a trail park than what I got from the shipping crate. Cust. service is as good as can be. They ship you a set of parts fast if you claim any fault not mentioned in the pull down. No questions asked.

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    mongoose vinson heck of a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by hectorlandaeta View Post
    I've bought a bike from Bike Island and can tell you most of the dings and scratches are kind of exaggerated. I believe I did more (cosmetic) damage to the bike on it's first day at a trail park than what I got from the shipping crate. Cust. service is as good as can be. They ship you a set of parts fast if you claim any fault not mentioned in the pull down. No questions asked.
    I bought a mongoose vinson 490.00 total at the sports authority.the deal now is 579.00 plus free shipping and 10 percent back on email sign ups but keep looking as deals change weekly.
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    Here is the bike my buddy to ended up with:



    Its a Bullyeye Monster pro from bike island. There are a couple minor scratchs on the frame, but he strips the paint off of everything, so that doesn't matter to him at all. For a bike with X7 parts, and a Bluto, I don't think he could have done better.
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    We picked up my son's mini
    Thought I'd throw up a photo comparison of his 24" Cannondale compared to the mini-sota
    He's pretty excited
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikj View Post
    We picked up my son's mini
    Thought I'd throw up a photo comparison of his 24" Cannondale compared to the mini-sota
    He's pretty excited
    Nice, did you go on any trails?

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    Chicago weather sucks, the trails are a complete mudslide, even the wide track still wet. Instead riding I spend half a day yesterday with my son and the local bike org building new single track trails and fixing others. Over 3 hours on a small team rough cutting and marking a new trail. It snakes along a couple ravines connecting to existing trail. Not as fun as riding but quite cool to think that if the trail gets approved by the forest preserve, we were involved in its conception

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    Dolomite - $212, I got mine over-nighted FedEx free. Rolls on glass, wheels - tires mind-boggling true. Yeah so I gotta tear it open and grease the bearings, everyone should do that anyway. 49 pounds, men only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZINGER View Post

    Question: Does Bikes Direct own this site?
    No but a ton of people on this site own Bikes Direct Bikes and the owner of Bikes Direct is a member here...

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZINGER View Post
    Question: Does Bikes Direct own this site?
    Hardly! The other half that doesn't own Motobacons are big time haters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZINGER View Post
    Question: Does Bikes Direct own this site?
    it may seem that way from this thread, but they have a huge portion of the roughly $1000 and below fatbike market at the moment

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    For under $1000, they have a lot to offer.

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    Under $1500!
    The big brands are still excising a Fat tax and Surly/Salsa have always charged a premium for great marketing.
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Quote Originally Posted by hectorlandaeta View Post
    Hardly! The other half that doesn't own Motobacons are big time haters!
    I own a Motobacon and cracked the frame at the front headset after seven years of abuse. Of course I was bunny hopping over concrete curbs and launching the damn thing into the air, coming down hard. I took it in and they replaced the frame for free and did it within a week. I was amazed. But that doesn't inspire me to buy another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Doom View Post
    Under $1500!
    The big brands are still excising a Fat tax and Surly/Salsa have always charged a premium for great marketing.
    And I notice their web site looks like it was designed by a 13 year old, reminds me of the old snowboard sites, but even Burton has cleaned up their act. Supposed to be cool, but comes off as arrested development. And their bikes are made in the same place as my cheapo Dolemite, just with upgraded components. But how do we know if they are not knockoff's? We don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZINGER View Post
    And their bikes are made in the same place as my cheapo Dolemite, just with upgraded components. But how do we know if they are not knockoff's? We don't.
    Nah, Got that wrong I believe.. Motobacons are mostly made in Kinesis, REPUBLIC of China (Taiwan). Moongeese are made in PRC, continental China (Commie as they come, no human rights and the whole enchilada). If you're Rommney adept it shouldn't make a difference. Bringing geopolitics into a bike buying decision IS, I gladly admit, kinda extreme but to me the choice of buying from someplace where they practice normal contraception opposed to some other place where they did (or do) very late stage abortions as the state sponsored birth control device is kinda compelling. Anyway, bike components are made mostly, if not all in the PRC, so there's no avoiding it.

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    Does anyone know the exact model and size of the rear derailleur? Trying to figure out if it will work with 1x10 setup

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    I get your misgivings, but hard to avoid prc products.... like 90% + of the fishing rods I ever sold were from China.
    You guys have much more choice in bargain price fat bikes. 2-3 options real low in uk, bought and upgraded a basic sandseeker, got a tough ride with ok bits for around 1,000 in your money.
    Bought some bits from Stateside, better service and knowledge in the country that spawned the genre!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deton8r View Post
    I just got a 16" Gravity Knockout complete bike from BikeIsland for my gf 2 weeks ago. Didn't even have the clearance issue on hers but put a Lizard Skin on the chainstay as the chain comes pretty close. Not sure if I got a lucky one or what. Paid $299 shipped. She's new to riding so I didn't want to invest a bunch of money on something that might not get used much. Nice looking bike and only had to do some minor tuning of the brakes and derailleurs to get it going. The Tektro brakes were much easier to dial in than the Avid BB5s that came with my fat bike. For the riding she'll do on it, it's a really good value for a complete entry level fat bike.

    Just ordered her some Framed Fatty Slims for city cruising.

    I ride a '14 Framed Minnesota 2.0 and upgraded nearly everything on it. I'm going to swap over my old SRAM X5 rear mech, shifters, brake levers, and cassette to her bike to convert it to a 2x9 setup so she can swap the Fatty Slims out easy.

    I'll see if I can mount my Framed wheels with 4" Vee Missions on her bike. Pretty sure it will be no problem on the front. I'll report back with the results soon. The rims on the Gravity Knockout are not as wide and I doubt you could put a 4" tire on them.
    im building one of those bikes up as a loaner bike for when people want to come over and go for a ride with us....you WILL NOT be able to fit a 4" tire in the rear....trust me..

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    New here and want to do the Gravity FB frame also. Did you put the Fatty Slim wheel sets in to try yet?

    Also, how do the diameters of the original Gravity wheel sets compare to the Fatty Slims?

    Finally, how tall is your GF (trying to size frame).

    Thanks!

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    For those of you with the knockout, how's it going? Mind starting a thread just for it. Does it use a 100mm square tapper bottom bracket? Good crankarm clearance? Any tire rub? Are the tires good, or complete junk?

    they seem like a good platform to throw a 4" tire up front, adjust the high speed limit screw in back, and just ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    Knockout
    For those of you with the knockout, how's it going? Mind starting a thread just for it. Does it use a 100mm square tapper bottom bracket? Good crankarm clearance? Any tire rub? Are the tires good, or complete junk?

    they seem like a good platform to throw a 4" tire up front, adjust the high speed limit screw in back, and just ride it.
    +1
    It seems we have some prospective buyers here and this looks like a fun platform to tinker with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowleman View Post
    Built up my wife's Mini-Sota with a few mods yesterday.

    Xt 1x10, 11/36 cassette, race face 30t, carbon slk bars. 29 lbs on shop scale. Fort Custer on Sunday for first ride! Can't wait!
    I'm only 5 ft with a 27.5 in inseam and I'm leaning heavily toward the Mini-Sota 2.0 2015. I really wanted the Minnesota 2.0, 15" but the standover would kill me being too high and yet the option of Fattie Slims on the Minesota 2.0 for a versatile ride was so inviting. Now that I see you have done some mods and made the weight go down I'm really excited to order the Mini-Sota. I'm not too saavy on the equipment upgrades listed on the forum but I'm learning. Next is to get my husband thinking about a Fat Bike after I get mine! I see some big fun in my future! Thanks for posting the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Yes, mud is not an issue but ruining the single track is. Unfortunately too many people do not care and ruin sections of the trails. Then its up to local CAMBr volunteers to fix them Few more warmer sunny days ahead of the weekend. Hopefully the wide track with its crushed limestone will be good to go.
    Hope your trails have dried up nicely now?

    As far as shipping the bike, depending how far north you are, have you thought about getting the bike shipped to someone in US and go on a weekend road trip to pick it up? I'm by Chicago if that helps
    I had thought about shipping it to a US address/pick-up service, but I'm about 5 hours from the US border... as it turned out, I bought the Fatboy 24 and am very happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeZoo View Post
    I'm only 5 ft with a 27.5 in inseam and I'm leaning heavily toward the Mini-Sota 2.0 2015. I really wanted the Minnesota 2.0, 15" but the standover would kill me being too high and yet the option of Fattie Slims on the Minesota 2.0 for a versatile ride was so inviting. Now that I see you have done some mods and made the weight go down I'm really excited to order the Mini-Sota. I'm not too saavy on the equipment upgrades listed on the forum but I'm learning. Next is to get my husband thinking about a Fat Bike after I get mine! I see some big fun in my future! Thanks for posting the info!
    You go girl! You're going to love it. I'm similar height & proportion, and *so* happy I went with a kid-sized bike.

    Our snowshoe/multiuse trails are softening in the sunshine, people have been walking without snowshoes on the snowpack so it's full of frozen foot-holes, and where the sun gets through the trees the slush would slides out unpredictably from under my tires. I came off so many times, but having the clearance over the top tube made all the difference in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    You go girl! You're going to love it. I'm similar height & proportion, and *so* happy I went with a kid-sized bike.

    Our snowshoe/multiuse trails are softening in the sunshine, people have been walking without snowshoes on the snowpack so it's full of frozen foot-holes, and where the sun gets through the trees the slush would slides out unpredictably from under my tires. I came off so many times, but having the clearance over the top tube made all the difference in the world.
    Thanks! I'm SO looking forward to the purchase. And now you've sealed it with me getting the correct standover height bike (as I really wanted the Minnesota 2.0 and the ability to use those Fattie Slims tires but it is what it is!). Happy Riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melll View Post
    It's an extra $120 USD to ship to Canada, plus duty/taxes. That, added to the current terrible CAD/USD exchange rate means it would be about the same price to get the Mini-sota here as to order in the Fatboy 24 at the price my LBS was willing to offer me.
    I'm in Canada too. We bought 2 3.0s, had them shipped to a Washington shipping company. Drove down and picked them up.

    The only extra charge was GST as there is no PST on bikes. No brokerage fee as we did the import.

    Edit: never mind, I see you bought a the Specialized 24 fat bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    I'm in Canada too. We bought 2 3.0s, had them shipped to a Washington shipping company. Drove down and picked them up.

    The only extra charge was GST as there is no PST on bikes. No brokerage fee as we did the import.

    Edit: never mind, I see you bought a the Specialized 24 fat bike.
    I did buy the Specialized 24" fatbike, but this is really useful info on cross-border shopping; thank-you very much

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    Been doing the same thing with fat bike tire orders. Already picked up one set. Another set has been shipped so I'll be making another trip down there in the next week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    Been doing the same thing with fat bike tire orders. Already picked up one set. Another set has been shipped so I'll be making another trip down there in the next week or so.
    Sweet! Even with the CAD-USD exchange rate what it is, it's a better deal?

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    I updated the thread over on RatRodBikes on the Gravity Knockout I'm building. Pics clearly show the chain rub issues and im going to email them next week in regards to the tire rub issue with the 3.5" Captiv8ors on 80mm wheels

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    On the knockout, how much does it weight? As much as a normal mountain bike, or is it in the 40lb category. I was thinking about getting one because the parts are a litle better than my dolomite, especially the rear axle and cartridge bottom bracket. I keep bending the dolo's axle. It seems I spend more time fixing it than riding it.

    Also, if you have one setup or measured it at any time, how wide is the stock rear tire on the 50mm rims, how wide is the chainstay clearance? Any other rear tires you try out?
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    Well Nashbar has discontinued the Big Ol Fat bike. No explanation. Wonder why? I heard they stop and start production somewhat randomly.

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    Here is our 8 year old granddaughter on her new Mini. I shortened the seat post and plan on redrilling and taping the cranksets to make them 150 mm length instead of the 170 they come as. She normally doesn't ride a full face helmet but she jumped off the snowmobile she was riding to try out her new fat bike. The mini is a quality product for the kids and I think a good value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Jed View Post
    Well Nashbar has discontinued the Big Ol Fat bike. No explanation. Wonder why? I heard they stop and start production somewhat randomly.
    Lack of sales probably. Big OL steel frame with big ol rims that have no weight reduction holes cut in them. The thing is a tank.

    For the price they asked for that bike..$1100...a person would better off buying a Framed Minnesota for the same price.

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    Here is our 8 year old granddaughter on her new Mini. I shortened the seat post and plan on redrilling and taping the cranksets to make them 150 mm length instead of the 170 they come as. She normally doesn't ride a full face helmet but she jumped off the snowmobile she was riding to try out her new fat bike. The mini is a quality product for the kids and I think a good value.
    How Fun for her! So nice to see the kids playing outside...the old fashioned way! ;-)

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    Here is our 8 year old granddaughter on her new Mini. I shortened the seat post and plan on redrilling and taping the cranksets to make them 150 mm length instead of the 170 they come as. She normally doesn't ride a full face helmet but she jumped off the snowmobile she was riding to try out her new fat bike. The mini is a quality product for the kids and I think a good value.
    Awesome! She'll get a good few years out of that bike! I don't understand either why the Mini-sota comes with 170mm cranks instead of something more kid-sized.


    Also... this thread has been moved/merged? May I ask why?

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    FYI, if anyone still browsing the thread and thinking of purchasing one...

    Mongoose Vinson All-Terrain Fat Bike - SportsAuthority.com


    25% off, + free shipping, and add the 10% email sign up promo code. $391.59!
    That's killer savings. It takes a while for the email system to generate a code and the sale is only 12 hours. So call customer service and tell them to get you a code to apply for the email sign up or call them after you get the code via email and get a price adjustment.

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    it can be built to be in the low 30's easily..

    BUT.... the chainstays WILL NOT CLEAR A 3.5" TIRE!

    no f'ing way w/o modification..

    another downside that I just realized today was that anything over a 160mm rear rotor will not clear the chainstay either.

    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    On the knockout, how much does it weight? As much as a normal mountain bike, or is it in the 40lb category. I was thinking about getting one because the parts are a litle better than my dolomite, especially the rear axle and cartridge bottom bracket. I keep bending the dolo's axle. It seems I spend more time fixing it than riding it.

    Also, if you have one setup or measured it at any time, how wide is the stock rear tire on the 50mm rims, how wide is the chainstay clearance? Any other rear tires you try out?

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    old guy looking for answers/advice

    Hi. New to site. New to fat bikes. I've done lots of research and think the Framed Minnesota 3.0 is the bike I need. But!!!
    I'm 55 yo 5'8" 250+ lbs
    Timber Faller, Arborist, Operator, Laborer, Truck driver and overall Alaska Hand. I've had some knee injuries in the past few years and some friends reccomended bicycling to help strengthen my knees and legs.
    I will use the bike on gravel roads and frozen snow go trails. We have 6-8 months of winter per year. 4 months of hard winter. Temps to the mid-60F . I want to ride into the mid-30F range. Some hills are long, some steep some rough or all the above.
    I want a 22 tooth or smaller front chain ring with a 36 tooth rear or larger.
    The 2.0+3.0 come with 28 tooth front gear. Truvative brand.
    Does anyone have experience changing these out. Are these brand specific?
    Thank you very much
    This looks like a great site and the perfect thread.
    Glen.

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    Temperatures in the negative 60F? That's dang cold.

    I wouldn't worry about changing gears quite yet. The 28/36 might push your limits if you're going up really steep climbs, but much lower and you start getting into the "too slow to stay up" speed. I have a bike with a 22T in rear, and the lowest I've ever gotten in back was the 32T cog, and I had to stop because I couldn't keep momentum to maintain balance over any trail obstacles. I'll probably swap to a 26T, and it'll be more than enough gearing for me. If you have snow and steep hills at the same time, you might need a 24T.

    In regards to swapping, not too hard. You'll need to remove the crankset, but that's not too difficult, especially after watching a couple youtube videos. You probably want to stay within the same brand just to keep the spacing between chainrings and alignment of shift ramps the same. And the price between the different brands isn't that much if you get their base level ones. Normally in the $10-$15 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    Hi. New to site. New to fat bikes. I've done lots of research and think the Framed Minnesota 3.0 is the bike I need. But!!!
    I'm 55 yo 5'8" 250+ lbs
    Timber Faller, Arborist, Operator, Laborer, Truck driver and overall Alaska Hand. I've had some knee injuries in the past few years and some friends reccomended bicycling to help strengthen my knees and legs.
    I will use the bike on gravel roads and frozen snow go trails. We have 6-8 months of winter per year. 4 months of hard winter. Temps to the mid-60F . I want to ride into the mid-30F range. Some hills are long, some steep some rough or all the above.
    I want a 22 tooth or smaller front chain ring with a 36 tooth rear or larger.
    The 2.0+3.0 come with 28 tooth front gear. Truvative brand.
    Does anyone have experience changing these out. Are these brand specific?
    Thank you very much
    This looks like a great site and the perfect thread.
    Glen.
    My friend bought the 3.0 XWT....need wider tires for floating on top of loose snow. He also had a problem with gearing too high with the 28 tooth chain ring. He bought a 22 replacement from price point.com for about $4.00! He had to remove the crankarm to install it, so he had the bike shop make the switch for him. Good Luck.

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    Awesome! Thank you. The reason I am thinking to go 22 tooth front is that's what a lot of fat bikes I've researched have. My wife's mt bk has 28 tooth front small ring and I consider it too tall geared for what I'm wanting to accomplish. The [email protected] has 22 tooth front and 32 tooth rear. Going slow is fine with me. As long as I can stay up. I will spend lots of time on close woods snow go trails. I would get a Motobecane Boris, it has the gearing that I want. But the web site says they are sold out. The Fantom FB5 2.0 looks about ideal. But I have to add $150.00 to the price for shipping.

    When I'm at the LBS, I'll see what I can find. Lots of bike shops in Anchorage.

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    Ok. Great thank y'all! The 3.0 will take up to 4.8" iirc. Will probably upgrade to Bulldozers or Snowshoes asap and keep the oem tires for summer and spares.

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    Here's a question borne of ignorance, . With these modern bike derailleurs , can I shift and ride regularly thru the entire rear cassette?
    When I was in my teens I had a Reliegh Grand Prix 10 speed. I remember being told by the lbs that I was only suppose to shift half way down the cassette when on the small front ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    Here's a question borne of ignorance, . With these modern bike derailleurs , can I shift and ride regularly thru the entire rear cassette?
    When I was in my teens I had a Reliegh Grand Prix 10 speed. I remember being told by the lbs that I was only suppose to shift half way down the cassette when on the small front ring.
    That's not so much an ignorant question....I'm not the best person to answer this question with a technical answer, but it all boils down to chain angle...and for this is the reason I LOVE my 1x10 gearing setup.... On my Nephew's Specialized Hot Rock, which is a 3x7, there are some gearing combinations that make noise and the chain constantly what's to move and the derailleur has to hold it in place causing more friction on the chain and makes riding it a bit of a PITA..... 1x10, 1x11 or 2x10 is THE WAY TO GO if you don't want to go with an IGH (Integrated Geared Hub).

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    Short answer, it's fine to be in the same ring up front for all your gears in back.

    Long answer. You really don't want to cross-chain too much because it will cause some additional wear, the drivetrain will be noisy, and you might not have the precise shifting you should get, especially if you're small ring to small ring or large to large. The middle ring up front should line up with the middle ring in back (ie, good chainline), and this position should be able to shift through the whole range in back no problem. Mountain bike chains allow an aweful lot of sideways bend, unlike older road chains.
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    Ok thanks! The bikes I'm interested in have 29 or 210 gearing. The only use I have for a front chain ring larger than 36 tooth is as a bash ring :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    Ok thanks! The bikes I'm interested in have 29 or 210 gearing. The only use I have for a front chain ring larger than 36 tooth is as a bash ring :-)
    go with a 10 speed rear hub....LOTS of derailleur and shifter options for 10 speeds that are good stuff. I went with a Sram X9 trigger shifter (10 speed) and a Sram X7 Type 2.1 derailleur and my bike shifts like a dream....it shifts ALMOST as effortlessly as my Origin 8 Crawler with Nuvinci N360 hub. (which new Origin8 Crawlers are now in the sub 1000 price range)

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    The problem I have with the Crawler is the hub tyranny is reported to betoo high geared for what I'm after. I'm really after the low low 22 tooth front. Lots of hills in my future.


    I have now expanded.my list of bikes to the KHS 4 Season, 500+1000

    And the Norco Bigfoot 6.2 and the base model 6.3.

    There are LBS that have them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    The problem I have with the Crawler is the hub tyranny is reported to betoo high geared for what I'm after. I'm really after the low low 22 tooth front. Lots of hills in my future.


    I have now expanded.my list of bikes to the KHS 4 Season, 500+1000

    And the Norco Bigfoot 6.2 and the base model 6.3.

    There are LBS that have them in stock.

    The Crawler may not have the right gearing for your application.....If you've got alot of hills, look at overall weight too......

    The KHS 4 Season may be a nice bike when outfitted with high quality components; but in my opinion, it's drastically over priced for how it comes outfitted....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    The problem I have with the Crawler is the hub tyranny is reported to betoo high geared for what I'm after. I'm really after the low low 22 tooth front. Lots of hills in my future.


    I have now expanded.my list of bikes to the KHS 4 Season, 500+1000

    And the Norco Bigfoot 6.2 and the base model 6.3.

    There are LBS that have them in stock.
    Check out the bikesdirect.com Boris line. They are totally identical to the khs at half the price. When I bought mine, the stem and seatpost had the khs logo on it. Check out the specs.
    Dash Pt. State Park (Tacoma), Big Sky Montana during Snowboard Season, Duluth Mn, a couple of times of year incl. Xmas.

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    Ok. Thank.you. My choices at this point are the Minnesota 2.0+3.0
    The KHS 500+1000
    The Origin8 Maxi
    The Norco Bigfoot.
    That are instock in Anchorage and Wasilla.
    My problem with the 2.0+3.0 is I will need to change the small front ring before I start riding it.
    I like the look of the KHS + Bigfoot and those and the Maxi have good brazeons for rear racks.
    I do wonder how important the rear thru axle is. I plan on maxing out the hauling weight on a regular basis. ?????????
    And, I Do Not Want hydraulic brakes!!

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    I would have already ordered the Boris but they are out of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Trigger Finger View Post
    I would have already ordered the Boris but they are out of stock.
    Check back, they've had a whole new shipment and another coming in.
    Dash Pt. State Park (Tacoma), Big Sky Montana during Snowboard Season, Duluth Mn, a couple of times of year incl. Xmas.

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    I live too far from the cities to get in on the deals. If I wanted t spend 1k$ more then I would b in smooth sailing. But I'm frugal. The Minn 2.0 is prolly what I will get if the lbs has my size instock.

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    If not then the 3.0

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    I'm not familiar with the Origin8 Maxi.....have a link?

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    My mistake, it is the charge Cooker Maxi.
    But it appears to have 135 offset hubs. And not much for rack brazeons.

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    Well, in keeping with the under $1,000 theme of this thread.
    I got a Boris yesterday. Found it on Craigslist. Lightly used (125ish) miles with a bunch of extras for $804.00 . That's what I had in my wallet. Its a 15" so it fits my wife perfect and me good enough to ride until I get the bike I want in my size which I found is 17". But, that bike is lots more than 1k$.
    I'm VERY happy to find this bike, at this time. And saved some money

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