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    Fat Bike "Direction and Development"

    How about a discussion on where Fat Bikes are going. We all know they go everywhere. How about future?

    Tire width? Wider or sticking with sizes we have now?

    Dual Sussers, will the industry push for stereo squish?

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    29 fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    29 fat.
    Pffft .....29.7 fat boost plus
    With 153 front spacing and 211 rear spacing....and a PF 937547 DUB Minus 1 bottom bracket

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    To the OP....
    There are about 20 threads on all these topics already going.
    Will one more be the It thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    To the OP....
    There are about 20 threads on all these topics already going.
    Will one more be the It thread?
    Yes, there are, but this is "my" thread...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Pffft .....29.7 fat boost plus
    With 153 front spacing and 211 rear spacing....and a PF 937547 DUB Minus 1 bottom bracket
    Oh Mighty Mendo you have touched my fat heart! How do we keep Q factor with rear hubs that wide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    Oh Mighty Mendo you have touched my fat heart! How do we keep Q factor with rear hubs that wide!

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    Nano driveshaft...interesting!

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    I can't be the only guy hoping the industry comes up with a universal, easy-to-use holder for artisanal bread ham sammiches with a hands free, blue tooth mustard applicator.
    Come on fat bike industry!

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    Rohloff speed hub (14sp) front and rear belt drive with pinion gear box (18sp) with a 252 speed with eTap wireless shifting, for an all wheel drive fat bike, on 27.5 x 100 wheels with 27.5x 4.8 tires 45nrth Wrathchildren.
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    Dey ain't do'n nuffin. 26x 4.8" is about as fat as they will go, if they could have gone fatter and justified the increase someone would have stuck the money into it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I can't be the only guy hoping the industry comes up with a universal, easy-to-use holder for artisanal bread ham sammiches with a hands free, blue tooth mustard applicator.
    Come on fat bike industry!
    Only if;
    the holder has a beard
    the ham is curated
    the sammiches are diagonally cut
    the bluetooth is 6.0
    the mustard is game changing
    and the applicator is "i_________".

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    To leave levity aside for the moment...

    29 Fat holds the best promise for a future application; low Q, increasing float, and no new 'standards'. Save perhaps getting a little creative with frame design to increase standover clearance.

    Do any of you math gifted posters have any idea on comparing float of a 2XL to a 29 X 4?

    EDIT: With all of the BS levity that can go on mtbr...why would anyone seriously consider expanding a fringe?
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    From what I gather the Vee 5.05 is a dud, sidewalls shreading and even 4.8s inconsistant size patterns. We had one in the shop said 4.8 on a 80mm rim the were barely 4.5. Seems labeling is varied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    Rohloff speed hub (14sp) front and rear belt drive with pinion gear box (18sp) with a 252 speed with eTap wireless shifting, for an all wheel drive fat bike, on 27.5 x 100 wheels with 27.5x 4.8 tires 45nrth Wrathchildren.
    But how is the self steer at .8 psi?!?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    From what I gather the Vee 5.05 is a dud, sidewalls shreading and even 4.8s inconsistant size patterns. We had one in the shop said 4.8 on a 80mm rim the were barely 4.5. Seems labeling is varied.

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    2XL is a dud huh? I hereby cordially invite you to come ride with me here in the Swiss Alps with ANYTHING else and lets see who has the better riding / walking percentage at the end.

    I am thrilled with my 2XL's and they have been going strong for a few seasons now, ridden constantly at 0.0 psi.

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    Just buy used proven stuff.
    Stop feeding the beast.
    I just bought a barely used Bud/Lou set, will transfer my gripstuds on it, voila, low cost, proven tires that roll just about everyday in realy most conditions.
    Fat is about TIRES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    29 fat.
    36er+ for summer wheels

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    2XL'S?

    Rode mine last night and didn't die, always enjoy it when I do, so, I'm not sure where the "dud" comes from, unless it's guys who riding them in rock gardens, in which case, they seemingly never got the memo that rocks ain't soft, so flotation equipment isn't all that critical in that specific environment.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    From what I gather the Vee 5.05 is a dud, sidewalls shreading and even 4.8s inconsistant size patterns. We had one in the shop said 4.8 on a 80mm rim the were barely 4.5. Seems labeling is varied.

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    The original XLs where terrible, had the 4.7 that was actually a 4.0 and that tire had no grip; gave it away.

    Don't know about the latest generation thou, seem to be a popular tire among those wanting the widest tire available, I'm happy with Bud & Lou for the winter and Minions for the rest of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    Rohloff speed hub (14sp)
    Check.

    https://lunacycle.com/rohloff-speedh...l-fatbike-hub/


    pinion gear box (18sp) .
    Check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Dey ain't do'n nuffin. 26x 4.8" is about as fat as they will go, if they could have gone fatter and justified the increase someone would have stuck the money into it by now.
    ^^^This.

    Really no reason to either. 26 or 27.5 x 4.5-4.8" covers 99% of fat bike situations and use. The other 1% will have to go custom if they want anything different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    The original XLs where terrible, had the 4.7 that was actually a 4.0 and that tire had no grip; gave it away.

    Don't know about the latest generation thou, seem to be a popular tire among those wanting the widest tire available, I'm happy with Bud & Lou for the winter and Minions for the rest of the year.
    DD,

    Yes agree, Im with ya on Bud and Lou for winter too. Im just wondering how the XXL came out swinging and has now died off. Maybe we have reached the limits of width, except for really tough deep snow conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    DD,

    Yes agree, Im with ya on Bud and Lou for winter too. Im just wondering how the XXL came out swinging and has now died off. Maybe we have reached the limits of width, except for really tough deep snow conditions.

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    Frames can only go so wide, think about the Q factor on frames wider than 197.

    Other than the size issue on the XLs the rubber compound was weird, the snow will stick to it and have no traction. Haven't tried the XXLs so can't say anything good or bad about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Frames can only go so wide, think about the Q factor on frames wider than 197.

    Other than the size issue on the XLs the rubber compound was weird, the snow will stick to it and have no traction. Haven't tried the XXLs so can't say anything good or bad about them.
    So reading up a bit. They actually have designed the rubber to attract snow then let it peel off, this way when your riding it lays down a floatation path. Amazing, but the Vees would not release the snow and it would freeze to the tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I can't be the only guy hoping the industry comes up with a universal, easy-to-use holder for artisanal bread ham sammiches with a hands free, blue tooth mustard applicator.
    Come on fat bike industry!
    holy balls....you're sayin what I'm thinkin' !
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    So reading up a bit. They actually have designed the rubber to attract snow then let it peel off, this way when your riding it lays down a floatation path. Amazing, but the Vees would not release the snow and it would freeze to the tires.

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    maximum snow traction comes from snow sticking to snow

    snow tire research for cars and trucks has come to that conclusion, and it is why blizzaks and michelin X-ice tires are designed to capture snow. a bit of snow stuck in the treads maximizes snow and ice grip. it's been 'scienced' the shit out of...


    snow is what sticks to snow best.
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    I am old, science was not invented when i went to school.
    I read Bud/Lou works.
    I tried.
    They do.
    Gripstuds are icing on the cake!!!

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    We are in the middle of studded tire season where I ride, and so rather than put my studded tires on my Wozo, I threw them on my old Pugsley. I was so pleased with how the Pugs rode after not having been on it in a year. For slower speed, twisty low traction riding the "old school" fat bike geo was perfect. Sometimes "improving" a thing means you lose some of what made it great in the first place.
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    My fat bike goes the direction I go on the developed trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2old View Post
    My fat bike goes the direction I go on the developed trail.

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    Not with all that rotational mass causing gyroscopic rigidity.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Frames can only go so wide, think about the Q factor on frames wider than 197.

    The Q factor on my 217mm rear spaced bike is no different than any 197 bike. Nor does it need to be.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.

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    I use to ride bud and Lou, now I run 2xl psc. I am glad I made the switch, it is like going from a Nate to a B&L difference. Now a factory frame with a ~217mm rear would be nice for a better chainline with the 2xl. We have a lot of amazing parts to work with now compared to when the first started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The Q factor on my 217mm rear spaced bike is no different than any 197 bike. Nor does it need to be.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
    Do new 197 bikes use 190 spindles or are they all 170s? My 3 year old open mold frame uses a 170 and I figured the major players would have caught on by now.

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