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    Endings. And beginnings.

    For now, here's 2000+ words to explain what I'm on about:
    <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/GVcuVtYcRItECKpBcs0cnw?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvLwaWRu8rLH Q&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1an420uTmI/AAAAAAAASw4/n33N7P9Yv5Y/s800/Rear%20tire%20clearance.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DF_6AFSKgF_4gmRWHSARmg?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvLwaWRu8rLH Q&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1anCAhDfpI/AAAAAAAASwc/GIovWI4bTTw/s800/Brad%20with%20Snoots.JPG" /></a>

    Winter's about to get a helluva lot better.

    More later...

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    Your gonna ride a soft tail?

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    VERY cool. I miss my KHS solo one with the soft tail. How much travel are you going for?

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    That BB yoke looks very hefty. Is it machined from solid or welded sheet metal ?

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    Hey...

    ...that was my idea...you forgot the S&S couplings, however http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=53315 I call dibs on your old Snoots! or at least the fork...
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    I really like that idea! My next project was a custom fs fattie and that is better than what I was thinking. Can't wait to see it all done up.

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    I had a Moots MonsterX bike. Rode it all over the state--dirt road, doubletrack, and lotsa singletrack.

    I even had a set of deep section carbon road wheels laced up for it, but in ~2 years I realized I'd only actually used the road wheels on one day ride. One! What a waste--of wheels.

    I also have a pretty OK snowbike. But it's so purpose specific that I hate taking it out and beating on it in the rocks (our snow trails are still pretty chunky...). And I hate riding it through the sleet and slop and road grime all winter. Call me a snob (the shoe fits!) but I think it's a shame to beat the tar outta this bike. I want it to last at least as long as I do on this planet.

    So I got to thinking...

    Why not punt the MX bike and build a newer, more appropriate dual-purpose bike?

    If not for the arrival of Larry this fall that thought might never have gained any momentum.

    But Larry, oh luscious Larry...

    ...he's changed everything.

    Suddenly you can ride a snowbike like a mountain bike again. Carving turns. Leaning and drifting. And sliding, but *predictably*, which many of us had forgotten makes all the difference.

    See where I'm going with this?

    I wanted a mountain bike. One that I could stick 29" wheels onto and ride, grinning, all over Joseph Smith's green earth. And then, in winter, I could stick psick phatties onto it and ride all over jehovah's whiteness.

    A drawing, a few phone calls, and lots of back and forth followed. Brad @ Moots happened to be starting a similar build for himself. More ideas. Tweaked drawings. Water jet cut yokes. Then some thinkering, lots of measuring, cutting, mitering, machining. And some gorgeous welds.
    <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/c-IEP46iyjjR5POlF41-yw?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvLwaWRu8rLHQ&feat=embedwebsite" ><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1f1Jb2_1_I/AAAAAAAAS3E/G0trEetFafE/s800/snoots%202%202010.JPG" /></a>

    If you look closely, this frame and my now-departed MX frame are pretty dang similar. The differences, aside from tire clearance, are in the very fine details. Once I actually have the frame here I'll go into detail on those, um, details.
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    Cheers,

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    What are you running for a fork? SC32? Get a little crazy and try a lefty?

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    steering damper?
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    What a very, very sweet frame

    Looking forward to the full build .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Your gonna ride a soft tail?
    Beats the frozen snot outofa HT.

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    it's about time someone did this.
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    Fuel in the TT only? Rear brake??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Beats the frozen snot outofa HT.
    That's why I always had a Thudbuster on my Pugs.

    I think some small Ti springs in place of the elastomers would be great for cold weather.

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    That's beautiful. Will Moots build these for regular customers, or is it a bro deal only?

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    I heart it.
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    I wondered if you were doing something like this when I say your other bike for sale. I gotta say it makes total sense to me.
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    sick balls productions strikes again..

    which rims?

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    In a word...WOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    That's why I always had a Thudbuster on my Pugs.

    I think some small Ti springs in place of the elastomers would be great for cold weather.
    I don't know how much of a factor our local temps will be on the coil/elastomer YBB unit. This isn't gonna be an AK bike--it's for me to beat on daily locally, and to occasionally loan out to friends that want to tag along on CO/UT/WY/AZ and maaaaaaaybe MN winter overnighters. Since the main spring is coil (albeit lowly steel ) and the elastomer is but a minor part of the equation (intended and succeeding, IMO, to act as crude damping), it may just be fine as is.

    But, since you mentioned it: Any idea on where a guy might hypothetically find a supplier for a ti spring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmx1
    That BB yoke looks very hefty. Is it machined from solid or welded sheet metal ?
    Water jet cut, then welded. I'll get some detailed pics once I have it here.

    Lots of other questions here--all of which will be answered this weekend as I snap pics while assembling the bike.

    Cheers,

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    Yum. Yeah, that's it

    As for ti springs, depending on exactly what you need, Cannondale has them for Lefty 140s, cut it down? Too large of an OD?

    Can't wait for built pics. And yeah, Larry changes everything.
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    Just finished up out in the shop...

    ...and realized that I have two pics that'll answer a whole boatload of questions about the build.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yGXGDjX9-9_f3fw8hUMS8Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvLwaWRu8rLHQ&feat=em bedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1ktraGzOlI/AAAAAAAAS7w/m2shQCKo0as/s800/IMG_8997.JPG" /></a>

    and
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    Spokes came from where they almost always come from for my personal wheels: The junk box. I dug through the randomness therein and found 16 butted Comps for the disc side, and (bonus!) 16 butted/bladed Aerolites for the loose side. The Aerolites were ~2mm too short, so I'll be doing some de facto 'durability testing' on whether you really do need all spoke threads engaged (or "hidden") inside the nip. Nips are also oddballs--red Prolocks left over from a batch-build for a certain pernickety small manufacturer.

    More as I have it.

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    genre buster: lightweight ti softail/maverick fat bike...its not going to be a fixed gear is it?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    I'll be doing some de facto 'durability testing' on whether you really do need all spoke threads engaged (or "hidden") inside the nip.
    Better you than me, keep us posted. Are those 80mm rims?
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    Progress...

    ...as in, it's here.
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    More tomorrow. Sleep now...

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    The welds...so beautiful.

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    Welds

    Man those welds are beautiful!!

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    Very cool MC - I have recently been thinking of a Ti "one bike to do it all", and that bike would have fat tire clearances (but probably be ridden as a 29'er most of the time). My love of desert and sand riding, which I don't get to do much of here in NorCal, is the main reason for wanting the fat capability. Hadn't thought about the soft-tail. Think Moots would do something like that with an EBB so I can use it SS also?
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    Can you see it now?

    Built. Ridden. Liked.

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    Out to the shop for some minor tweakage. Higher rise stem, brake de-schinging, damper fiddlin', etc...

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    Umm...complete bike shot please

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    Ok, Ok, Ok!

    How's this?

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    Is that a rack, or some kind of fancy, foot operated rear brake.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    How's this?
    Come on mikesee your teasing is torture
    Show us the frickin bike in full
    We want decadent Ti Fat Bike Porn
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    You big Tease!
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    How's this?

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    rear sprockets....home brew?
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    Said in the most sincere, envious, and friendly way I can -> You Suck.

    Please don't taunt us any longer.

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    How's this?
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    Wow, tough crowd!

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    Hey--calm down!

    I tried really hard to get a passable close-up silhouette shot (so that you still wouldn't be able to see any details) of the bike last night, but it was blowing wet snow and I kept getting big fat flakes on the lens. Drat!

    Without further ado...
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    The front der 'clamp' is a temp. The der is a Shimano direct mount, and it gives possibly the crispest most rightg'ddamnow front shifting I've ever had. And that's coming from a non-shimano fan. Brad machined the temp clamp (closeup of it in one of the above posts) to allow us to figure out the best location (vert and horizont) for it before committing to the weld-on mount. I had to remove one spacer to move it inboard ~2mm, but didn't have to change the vert location.

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    This bike will (has!) become my winter beater for knocking around and not caring too much what kind of road/trail conditions we have. It'll also get loaned out, starting tomorrow, to friends that want to get their feet wet on winter overnighters. Thus, I've got the frame pack and $12 cheapie rack installed. $12 rack? As a certain devastatingly skilled welder and machinist I know likes to say, "Good enough for who it's for..."! Plus, it's a great fender and most fenders cost more than 12 bucks and aren't nearly as solid.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SaZTCb8mZIb1i5OFPtYKCQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S2BhBXlW1AI/AAAAAAAATW8/i_5TKg6egB0/s800/IMG_3832.JPG" /></a>
    The fork needs a lot of internal tweaking. I currently lack the time to even think about where to start. For now, it goes up and down, but not too much, and that's good enough. For now.

    Gratuitous depth of field angle.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LAgE0bqxjssR3u4XZ2xYTw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S2BhEeQWwxI/AAAAAAAATXE/pFX3Lxzowgk/s800/IMG_3836.JPG" /></a>

    May not seem like much, until you get back onto the hardtail...
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HNes47E-_vjU-HvOSwmXjg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=embedw ebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S2BhG759nuI/AAAAAAAATXM/b8yfPt34q4g/s800/IMG_3841.JPG" /></a>

    Plenty. Room for 100's, easy.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/eS7ZDjkW9mgMyq3dFJgWZg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S2BhKicKPbI/AAAAAAAATXY/vjDX7HqQNTw/s800/IMG_3842.JPG" /></a>

    Enjoying ourselves on the way home, and making good use of the post.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zPKTY6Rs59aKmaf_W826YA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S2BhO0w65SI/AAAAAAAATXg/4QTzQplGDjE/s800/IMG_3850.JPG" /></a>

    Cheers,

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    Purrrrty.... I hadn't even noticed the adjustable seatpost till you mentioned it.

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    Niice, Thanks for sharing!

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    Rear hub spacing??? Usable # of cogs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman
    Rear hub spacing??? Usable # of cogs?
    165. All 9+. I've got a 20/29/bash up front, and an 11/36 out back. You know--mountain bike gearing. The rear cassette is an 11/32 that I stuck an Action Tec 36t inside of. Dropped one of the smaller cogs (14?) to make room for the 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    I've got a 20... up front, and an ...36 out back.
    If you had to ride to Nome in 1st gear, how many pedal strokes would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    If you had to ride to Nome in 1st gear, how many pedal strokes would that be?
    Still less than the number of schlepping footsteps.

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    I did the math and it looks like 1,382,857 crank rotations (double that number for pedal strokes) in first gear assuming the rear tire never slips.

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    have you looked at the new Shimano 9-speed 11-36 cassettes for 29'ers? not as chee-chee as Ti, but...
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    You, on a Maverick SC? Egads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eMcK
    You, on a Maverick SC? Egads!
    Ironical, isn't it?

    (cue 'rationalization' theme song...)

    The SC's amount of travel, axle-to-crown, and weight all seem ideal for this bike. I've never had a problem with the damper on this fork (supremely tunable if you have the time/inclination to dig in), it was always the noodly chassis that bugged me. Anyone reading this probably knows how much traction on snow differs from that of dirt/rock. In short, it's hard to flex the chassis of the fork when your front wheel is slipping and drifting all over. So, my hope is that I won't notice it much.

    {/end rationalizing...}

    But I've also got a G2 Reba and a 29" wheelset waiting in the wings for summer rides, just in case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Ironical, isn't it?

    (cue 'rationalization' theme song...)

    The SC's amount of travel, axle-to-crown, and weight all seem ideal for this bike. I've never had a problem with the damper on this fork (supremely tunable if you have the time/inclination to dig in), it was always the noodly chassis that bugged me. Anyone reading this probably knows how much traction on snow differs from that of dirt/rock. In short, it's hard to flex the chassis of the fork when your front wheel is slipping and drifting all over. So, my hope is that I won't notice it much.

    {/end rationalizing...}

    But I've also got a G2 Reba and a 29" wheelset waiting in the wings for summer rides, just in case...

    MC

    Don`t worry MC, your`e quite `light` compared with some of us who ride Fatbikes with SC32`s........

    Should be fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Ironical, isn't it?

    (cue 'rationalization' theme song...)

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    Not a lot of options for 4" tires huh?




    I'm kinda serious with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eMcK
    Not a lot of options for 4" tires huh?




    I'm kinda serious with that.
    1) I had one. Installed it, rode it around the yard, uninstalled it, gave it away. That might be the only 'suspension system' of any type that has *less* precise steering than the SC!
    2) Shortest they ever made was ~120mm. I'm currently running an 80mm, thinking about a 75mm.

    Either way, not gonna work.

    Just back from a few days out riding this bike. Loaned it out for a snow overnighter, then the next day stuck a 29" wheel in back and played on some techy dirt/rock/chunk singletrack. Had a ball. Pics 'n details later.

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    Easy solution to that:

    A pillowy 1/2" of travel


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    I remember that roller!! looks easier now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    ...as in, it's here.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9lHBqAlLfxchnIj0XxLZvg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1vttAZai0I/AAAAAAAATJQ/AxnbgFV7rWo/s800/IMG_9178.JPG" /></a>

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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qNPpB5l1l-GX6JrxRoOfOw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=emb edwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1vtx4xez8I/AAAAAAAATJg/G3Bjm5b5cKk/s800/IMG_9195.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JYsffIh6XT4Xn4llv993yg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1vt0fyXepI/AAAAAAAATJo/0rvzKVmqeDo/s800/IMG_9202.JPG" /></a>

    More tomorrow. Sleep now...

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    mikesee

    Can you please tell me the chainstay length ? I`m going now to order a similar frame (but rigid) at our local builder (Rapid-Korolev). But they have never welded fatbikes...(( and the geometry is undetermined yet.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

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    Have you some more info about your local builder? I am just curious
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    Hmmmmm welds

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    Quote Originally Posted by velopax
    @maxus

    Have you some more info about your local builder? I am just curious
    http://www.rapid-titan.ru/ , a small firm from Korolev (a town near Moscow)
    They were making export frames about 10 years ago, even for some famous brands (eg Colnago and so on), but now they weld frames mostly for internal market.
    These guys are making cheap enough frames, generally made of unbutted tubings (initial material - rolled Ti ship tubes ). Not wery light, but strong and cost less than 700 usd per frame

    Two bikes of my friends (these ones are from the latest frames)
    http://forum.velomania.ru/showthread.php?t=58348
    http://forum.velomania.ru/showthread.php?t=68378

    another example (strange bike, in fact)
    http://www.birota.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4425
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    Good job!

    Rapid has a "real" Fat Bike at his arsenal

    Serious these guys have some really cool bikes, components and the skills
    maxus, keep us informed, it's a interesting alternative
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxus
    mikesee

    Can you please tell me the chainstay length ? I`m going now to order a similar frame (but rigid) at our local builder (Rapid-Korolev). But they have never welded fatbikes...(( and the geometry is undetermined yet.
    17.15". Coulda gone shorter still if I was only going to be running winter meats, but I wanted to make sure we kept plenty of room for fat 29" rubber as this'll be a heavily used bike for summer tours.

    MC

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    please tell me this is a custom one off that i cant have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit
    please tell me this is a custom one off that i cant have.
    One off. Can't have.

    Until, maybe, possibly, next year...

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    What angles ? Seattube and head ?

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    ok, thats code for two years. it's my brooks with slightly less travel until then
    honestly thats the next step the fat bike industry needs to take. big props for taking it. build it and they will come.
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    Brad is a perfectioniste of the highest order, so when we agreed to use the unfamiliar-to-us direct mount front der on this bike he was unwilling to make a permanent mount for it until we knew the *exact* position it needed to sit in. There are tech drawings available for the der mounting location but they assume chainring sizes that I'll never use. So Brad designed and machined a basic and perfectly functional temp:
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pnXxDyLmzzwwlsoK9Cs1dw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S1yQxtT5BLI/AAAAAAAATOE/l-scInFe9KQ/s800/IMG_9509.JPG" /></a>

    He installed it roughly where he thought it would end up living, and truth be told I never had to adjust it so much as a fraction of a millimeter. I built the bike, ran the housing to the der, and rode it. The 'old me' would have fiddled with it 16 ways from Sunday before putting it right back where it started. But I'm older now. Smarter. Or at least busier, and since it was working perfectly I just didn't see a need to mess with it.

    But then I got in a dirt/rock ride in SW Utah with some friends that pushed me hard to keep up. I didn't yet have a 29" front wheel built for it, but I stuck a tall rear hoop in there. And had fun.


    Except that the tall tire kept rubbing (at ~full travel) on the temp front der mount. Can't have that. So I sent Brad a post-ride email and we made a plan.

    The plan involved driving to Steamboat with the bike. Now that we knew the der position was good, Brad could machine and weld on a permanent mount. A week later I tossed the bike and the dog in the car and drove NE.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/o0dA4jugbJCPqEDg9nBLDA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdxYxE3AI/AAAAAAAAUm8/mW6heD7PNDw/s800/IMG_0743.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AaX_kbLdXs0shTx3XhHPIw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdzmMnhgI/AAAAAAAAUnE/g1bfB5TMPnM/s800/IMG_0751.JPG" /></a>

    Slowly.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/auRpIpRZf_GltZuaqrKmMg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc0e8ZAFI/AAAAAAAAUjo/hcGHfKzcWbA/s800/IMG_0370.JPG" /></a>

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    You know you've arrived when...
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bTNWMcW5eC09niuRLPdylg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc4nL0klI/AAAAAAAAUj4/-G2sScoy2dA/s800/IMG_0418.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/GhCVQGt2Lj_ZVh1tevfEnA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc65vMbHI/AAAAAAAAUkA/uWzl24Ynf2A/s800/IMG_0424.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ySPpWPJXIQ2JMtygxeLBQA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc_rs1jxI/AAAAAAAAUkU/DhOcy1p0mgc/s800/IMG_0430.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/iqnpUD123U4lidlqi8gGbg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdpw7w3vI/AAAAAAAAUmg/XsVGCNcTjpE/s800/IMG_0561.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DzaY0B8N2m-Bwk8q7sv8PA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=embe dwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdRzWZwZI/AAAAAAAAUlQ/ZPiALkpXOig/s800/IMG_0487.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/x04Pi81R6nmQCi1TZOjgRg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdK7RNj8I/AAAAAAAAUlA/gPYI9xK_re8/s800/IMG_0479.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LCbSR5-z-kHBFQIZ7f7F0Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=em bedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdT_nL-3I/AAAAAAAAUlY/y5MoewTHsjo/s800/IMG_0496.JPG" /></a>

    Brad's drawing of the part.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f4ZkhGUuJMTAzibpNFwgfA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc2SkEMkI/AAAAAAAAUjw/qMv37SHdHS0/s800/IMG_0414.JPG" /></a>

    He gave me two options and strongly encouraged sticking with a semi-modular design instead of full-on permanent. Permanent seemed more elegant but he was persuasive so modular was agreed on. Which is to say that he agreed that this was how it was gonna be, so all I had to do was agree with him.

    And then he went to work.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/mike.curiak/Bt02?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=embedwebsit e#5439465547603676978"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdGJTkjzI/AAAAAAAAUkw/CugVVF2Xtps/s800/IMG_0469.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0BVzxiFkxitUGdG9LxaWVg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdDxZ3X9I/AAAAAAAAUkk/-QfoZKXiHJ8/s800/IMG_0458.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2tIHAq_2c0lRTIZ4TDdAYw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdBsoR6WI/AAAAAAAAUkc/321L_OBIUkE/s800/IMG_0445.JPG" /></a>

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    Little bit o' hand finishing.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NX8SrnMMaiZwj9v3yWqBjw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2ha g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zc9tc2qtI/AAAAAAAAUkM/TZtjZtEdaPM/s800/IMG_0425.JPG" /></a>

    Then a walk to the other side of the cavernous factory to where Brad could do some fixturing.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8vUqEj2Cs-VBeUPmHc07Ng?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag&feat=emb edwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdOcoeLNI/AAAAAAAAUlI/5yOQhJksvw8/s800/IMG_0484.JPG" /></a>

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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l-Ff2BdIGEnVZZNG47XPZw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGuwKDHxt2hag& feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S3zdY6pGe2I/AAAAAAAAUls/4hYxSRbj5sk/s800/IMG_0505.JPG" /></a>

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    Flat plates clamped onto the BB shell, new part clamped under the (raised) old part. Height? Check. Square? Check.
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    Gettin' after it.
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    Minutes later I'd schlepped the bike back upstairs, reassembled it, and ran through the gears. Shifted perfect, just like before.

    And then we rode. In the dark, in a blizzard. Sorry, no pics of that...

    More later,

    MC

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee

    More later,

    MC

    Ummmm, later has arrived.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Life IS a Beach and then you Corrode :)

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    are you using 100mm bb spacing?

    cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood !
    Seconded
    Best I can do right now:
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yrTr9v-UhEazShsoudVdyakSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S-OwZqMkaQI/AAAAAAAAWGo/2Yr-DA_hInQ/s800/IMG_0032.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1Wx5Td73B0JsAGfCRlSkdqkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/S-OxKENAl4I/AAAAAAAAWG4/HR7gdfoyON4/s800/IMG_0078.JPG" /></a>

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    This time of year it's my fishin' and freeridin' softtail.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3mkflWejc-fW8tLDKEnl-6kSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TASeb5Q4ltI/AAAAAAAAW6Q/1ambH_O7Edo/s800/IMG_8271.JPG" /></a>

    With the fuel-cell package on-line, it becomes a little better accoutered tourer.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Wfp0WE0GKkiPhXh5YuCwnqkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TASee6h7UiI/AAAAAAAAW6Y/zt8NTT5pHUk/s800/IMG_8278.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mOwnwE8tSpQ4dTFuZ60CQqkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TASegxmj56I/AAAAAAAAW6g/KVqDJM64k2I/s800/IMG_8281.JPG" /></a>

    And with the time trial package installed, the sky's the limit to where you can comfortably, capably, and quickly go.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/d_vxdwgr7PlD0HH_KGXbqqkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TASekm4nGQI/AAAAAAAAW6o/ZHiha-nz6wQ/s800/IMG_9226.JPG" /></a>



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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
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    Dude, you just blew my mind.
    I'm covered in beer.

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    Great Post.

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    ok I'll plead ignorance, what is going on with the air fill at the handlebar?

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    Bb

    Mikesee,
    Are you using the same BB as the snoots?
    73 X 145 or 100 X 145?

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    Miksee, Excellent upgrade in the fork dept. I have a DUC32 on my fatbike and a 29er for it in the summer. Such a nice fork if tuned right. Also if you do put a fat front on it make sure the rim is under 50mm so it wont rub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate
    ok I'll plead ignorance, what is going on with the air fill at the handlebar?
    I can't say I'm 100% positive (that's how MC likes it), but it looks like the handlebar stores/dispenses white gas, and that it can be slightly pressurised.

    MC, does that mean you can hook a whisperlite directly to your bars?
    I'm covered in beer.

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    Yes, I'm using a 100mm Phil square taper BB.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/656HpMw_P93fee8C-903yKkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TAfuM88ncUI/AAAAAAAAW8E/X53zSMkFpys/s800/IMG_9539.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1I8mvewHBbmnDHBtcm4fiKkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TAftxHBMSMI/AAAAAAAAW70/EgOR60hmtOs/s800/IMG_9422.JPG" /></a>

    No, I don't actually pressurize the fuel in the bars. This is my summer touring rig (I have the other Snoots for winter tours) so I don't need much fuel (hence the bar-only storage) and what fuel I am carrying is denatured alcohol. The valves are stolen from a WB air fork, the caps are from a '10 Reba Team. I wanted everything to nest inside of the clamp-on grip so that if (when!) I drop the bike I don't have to worry about banging the end cap and causing a leak. Eric and Brad at Moots did a phenomenal job of machining everything *just-so* that it's tucked up in there out of harm's way, yet still easy to fill/dispense the fuel without having to dig out a tool.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bVOE6L61mBvu4RppoYvCn6kSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TAfuY3AmNxI/AAAAAAAAW8M/DX41elBX5zk/s800/IMG_8237.JPG" /></a>

    The fuel storage is the cachet of those bars, but (to me) the position is *IT*. Never had a more comfy all-around bar. Really, really starting to enjoy riding this bike pretty much everywhere, and the bars were the key to unlocking the rest.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qeT5u59DPkc65dqpw0n9UqkSPGazL-W3ZE7WSvxtBaw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TAfu6eJpF6I/AAAAAAAAW8Y/jgsjq3MhyWA/s800/IMG_9509.JPG" /></a>

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    Very much like the Moots Mike
    Life IS a Beach and then you Corrode :)

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    jolly good. all around.
    now a silly question: who makes the cheapy rack? exactly what i want for my commuter. i haven't looked at all and have found nuthin.

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    I want to say this is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS
    I want to say this is awesome.
    Too bad Moots doesn't make anything "fat" available to the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward
    Too bad Moots doesn't make anything "fat" available to the general public.
    Just ask. If you're willing to pay, I'm sure they're willing to build. It's not like MC has some mystical power over them, just the ability to think outside the box, and have the balls to ask someone to build it.

    Sad thing is, they don't offer swoopy tubes. For purely silly reasons, my next bike will have them, and since I need another like I need more holes in my head, I'd love combining Mikes bike, with sexy curves. I love my Pug, and ti, and softails, and 29ers, mmmmm, yummy......

    Perhaps Black Sheep will entertain my insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Just ask. If you're willing to pay, I'm sure they're willing to build. It's not like MC has some mystical power over them, just the ability to think outside the box, and have the balls to ask someone to build it.

    Sad thing is, they don't offer swoopy tubes. For purely silly reasons, my next bike will have them, and since I need another like I need more holes in my head, I'd love combining Mikes bike, with sexy curves. I love my Pug, and ti, and softails, and 29ers, mmmmm, yummy......

    Perhaps Black Sheep will entertain my insanity.
    How about an Ellsworth Evolve w/ widened rear triangle to exept the fat stuff... and a Mav. up front. A friend of mine ordered his Ventana ElRay with some minor custom adjustments (he's a tall guy), and at the time they said they would "make one fat but it would cost". Are we the lunatic fringe of cycling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward
    Are we the lunatic fringe of cycling?
    Big squish FS fatties, hadn't considered that!

    My pug is soft enough, and I have a Lunch Box if I need big squish.

    I love my older Merlin softail FatBeat (YBB design), and the thought of that in 29 is sweet. The ability to run fatties in the snow just makes it better.

    I have enough alloy bikes, but ti is an obsession I can't shake

    Sad thing about bike addiction, there's always some concoction out there that's jusssst different enough to instill lust, again.
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

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    Hey Mike, which rims are you running in the fatbike photos? 70mm?

    Really, really, love the looks of this bike.

    Any further word on production possibilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    Hey Mike, which rims are you running in the fatbike photos? 70mm?

    Really, really, love the looks of this bike.

    Any further word on production possibilities?
    Those are Speedway 70's.

    Loved 'em, but I'm gonna try a few different things this winter.

    Haven't had time to follow up with Moots. Interbike starts tomorrow--someone should stop by their booth and ask.

    I *did* hear that Brad @ Moots is selling his own personal Rohloff/Shiver equipped Snoots. Don't know if he's had time to list it just yet but if I didn't already have two of my own I'd be lusting heavily over it. That'n likely won't last long.

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    A bike for all seasons.

    Last winter I spent a fair bit of time on our local snow/rock/ice mix aboard this bike. I know what I like as far as geometry so there weren't any surprises--it was quick, competent, predictable and a lot of fun.

    Then when the snow faded and the flowers bloomed, I spent some time aboard the Snoots with tall wheels on some of our local, mellower tracks. I missed having several inches of rear sus at my beck and call, so time on this bike was more focused on lookeelooing at flowers, or reconning abandoned or recently discovered tracks. Some of those pics are posted above.

    Then in June the high country started to expose herself, and I dove in to a 311-mile Utah alpine bikepacking trip. And that, as they say, was stellar.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z5bC-LQ2HygTddnQjgxLoa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgAWbgzOHI/AAAAAAAAaSA/SHHcGH98OHg/s800/IMG_1193.JPG" height="533" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UoLzMdThEv_QMGEyWkI_6q5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgBDMT6WEI/AAAAAAAAaSU/-o2Zy-61FOs/s800/IMG_1670.JPG" height="499" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hfgk4QUng00Y1OT096v92q5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgBNSF8niI/AAAAAAAAaSc/EXVttQEsKlU/s800/IMG_1288.jpg" height="800" width="533" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/P9fHUbbMnsGPc_tMNpvMCa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgAro_VqpI/AAAAAAAAaSI/F_EYn3MRGwo/s800/IMG_2004.JPG" height="533" width="800" /></a>

    Fast forward to September and we did a credit card tour to Crested Butte. Steep, sustained climbing demands friendly gears and lighter weight, so I plucked the Snoots from the hook and had a ball watching the alpine colors change, literally overnight.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/nvlbPw14oEtYolM8TyWgM65AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgBjrzlfMI/AAAAAAAAaSs/aBcrGgIKlSk/s800/IMG_9765.JPG" height="499" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aG_IWE0jcvutHOFnD5fVpa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgBZQi0RoI/AAAAAAAAaSk/eKufoOFlzEM/s800/IMG_9204.jpg" height="800" width="533" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/a3Z7cJfLF6mH0m3zXZ76I65AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgBtPwq1JI/AAAAAAAAaS0/AYDB6ABz7f0/s800/IMG_0368.jpg" height="800" width="533" /></a>

    Then in October myself and a few friends headed to northern AZ for a ~230 mile bikepacking loop around Flag, Sedonuts, Cottonwood, and Williams. Again, stellar.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JwtjevyovE0TCXcXog-xqK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-T7WGqhI/AAAAAAAAaQk/thzXc4FVJPU/s800/IMG_4274.JPG" height="462" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zOAO6HQHDuaeXOnkP2lhZa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgGImEGQjI/AAAAAAAAaTI/d9rAgtTaUSA/s800/IMG_1083.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PpW7QT06wZfrMbt1qWNwfq5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-SkrRimI/AAAAAAAAaQg/AMBp2FY71PI/s800/IMG_4273.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ws_jbiSpEqiD2kKL2deRtK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgGaLT6MWI/AAAAAAAAaTQ/Rde0W68VES4/s800/IMG_3696.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VRdZMiZSedlOjxtOnJCrYK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgGkBx2--I/AAAAAAAAaTc/AyH_T1KcDHU/s800/IMG_4183.JPG" height="470" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Qsut5HpiP-csg89iTBpSQa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRgHEcGtalI/AAAAAAAAaTs/vcb_-0BD9Qg/s800/IMG_4577.jpg" height="800" width="609" /></a>

    Once the high country singletrack was buried the Snoots and I moved lower--sessioning some of our favorite slow-speed rock crawling trails.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vb90B-1iJR7W5TjVuS5jIa5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-1VUyHiI/AAAAAAAAaRQ/jtZLCktaPfU/s800/IMG_9136.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Atiyddt9ZE_jPx7j0_MLMq5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-2fPuELI/AAAAAAAAaRU/ht9kjcdGf3U/s800/IMG_9137.jpg" height="800" width="533" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UGNiuDjogAZ-2KaBn5rMCq5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-3CwPuOI/AAAAAAAAaRY/n9a6SCb-KRI/s800/IMG_9150.jpg" height="800" width="533" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_q_SNVHdnn_A_muQTpxOhK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-3-VBtqI/AAAAAAAAaRc/emTINxNcd78/s800/IMG_9156.JPG" height="533" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EQ5ezb10pS5Y02SVEkXBeK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRf-4upMl4I/AAAAAAAAaRg/L72GKHJaivQ/s800/IMG_9163.JPG" height="533" width="800" /></a>

    Those are Large Marge's with Gazza's, run tubeless at ~4psi.
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    Finally, a few days ago the massive snows up high finally stabilized and got packed in, so we've made our way back up onto the sledneck loops, thusly completing the circle and starting anew.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sxgTTU3jYNWNrJ83BVB0ia5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRQ7oGndg8I/AAAAAAAAaKg/YdcZtAwsglE/s800/IMG_1441.JPG" height="533" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tJWIK7i5D3TJ49PeJCm-JK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRQ9VewHFnI/AAAAAAAAaLE/65XGAriKyjg/s800/IMG_1510.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zZNBRB1re4tO5MbxDsLfsK5AMcktOa0X-cTujk6YQ3c?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_Z3iU73Uw_T8/TRGjrjWcVyI/AAAAAAAAaHE/1Fm4-IlC9ME/s800/IMG_0819.JPG" height="450" width="800" /></a>

    I'm enjoying this bike so much in each "mode" that it's starting to seem less like a bike and more like an heirloom.

    Cheers,

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    Care to comment on the fork? It would seem to be a keeper since you didn't bother swapping it when you didn't need the clearance. I thought they were flexy, but maybe I am mis-remembering and that was the single crown version??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Care to comment on the fork? It would seem to be a keeper since you didn't bother swapping it when you didn't need the clearance. I thought they were flexy, but maybe I am mis-remembering and that was the single crown version??
    I've tried to like the SC on several occasions. Really, I have. I wanted to like it because it has better phat clearance than the DUC. But I just can't ignore the incessant fore/aft and twisting flex of the chassis. It frightens me whenever I'm 'in the moment' and having a good time, so I've sold my last SC and have moved into the DUC.

    And I like it. It is sooooo much stiffer fore/aft than the SC. Different realm entirely. You can still find twisting flex if you really, really push it, but since the rear of the bike only has ~1" of travel, it's pretty rare that I'm overdriving the fork. The descent off Bill Williams that you know so well? I charged it hard, with a touring load, in the dark.

    And it was good.

    The DUC damper can be tuned infinitely. Any preference or quirk that you like or want removed can be managed with a little time, some oil, a few shims, and a willingness to experiment. Mine's been open 4 or 5 times now, and it's getting to be just about perfect, for me, on this bike.

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    Dreaming of a DUC (or anything stiffer than my SC) that will fit our fatter set-ups...

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    "Snoots with tall wheels"

    that id like to see.....

    have you ever had any use for the 29"er snow rims at all? i used one for a while front only (undrilled) and with the right tyre it offered sone of the benefits of the large volume with better cornering, and lower usable pressures than the 26" fat fronts i had tried...i then laced it up to a whub and it gave me a little more confidence...

    with the wide wide wide hubs on the snoots i reckon wheel strength/stiffness might be a better option for me than a larry/endo tyred bike.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn
    have you ever had any use for the 29"er snow rims at all? i used one for a while front only (undrilled) and with the right tyre it offered sone of the benefits of the large volume with better cornering, and lower usable pressures than the 26" fat fronts i had tried...i then laced it up to a whub and it gave me a little more confidence...

    with the wide wide wide hubs on the snoots i reckon wheel strength/stiffness might be a better option for me than a larry/endo tyred bike.....
    I've ridden the 29" Snowcats on the Yukon, and the Uma's on our local snowpack. I also rode a set of 29" Kris Holm rims on the Idita one year. The Holm's were plenty stiff/durable, just not quite as wide as the other two. The other two desperately needed the added flange width of a Whub, but my use of them predated that option. No matter--the Snowcat/Uma are really only useful if you've got a pretty firm, packed trail to begin with. Then they're fast. But if it's soft, or marginal, they just don't offer remotely enough float to be worth a damn relative to Endo/Larry on a reasonable rim.

    Steering precision is better on soft snow with the Snowcat/Uma and a treaded 2.4 than it is with an Endo on all but a 100mm rim. But it's so rare that steering precision makes a hoot of a difference on soft snow. For me, on snow, Larry + 100mm rim is dreamy. In this bike, since the 100 won't fit up front, I opt to run a Gazz on a Large Marge, as the float is plenty and the massive knobbage makes up for the lost rim width.

    Got all that?!

    Sorry, I digressed...

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    thanks for the info mike....i wish i had more need for a snow bike....i like the fattys for rock crawling and mud/peat bog floatation.....super keen to try a larry for that!

    dont suppose you could drop a note to DT swiss that a 135 front hub would be most appreciated?

    :-)~
    i also just re read my last post: of course, the 29er snow didnt allow lower pressures than the 26 fat fronts,,,,but lower than my usual 29 front tyre/wheel set ups...damn! having a 5 week old baby screws your brain up something rotten....
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    really enjoy this thread!

    awesome bike, and those pictures make me want to move overseas!
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    Seeing these recent pics really makes me miss the Colorado High Country and the desert areas around the 4 corners

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    Just realized that I hadn't updated this thread in awhile. This bike doesn't get used daily or even weekly, but when the time comes to use it, it's always ready and nothing else in the quiver seems quite capable of fitting the bill.

    The ride chronicled below happened back on May 1st.

    * * * * *

    I grew up riding bikes. I also grew up around water. Living in Michigan, you couldn't swing a dead cat and NOT hit water, so it was a natural to be out in it in some capacity whenever the temps were warm enough. And lots of times when they weren't. The only way to find your true limits is to go past them, then pull back a bit, right?

    Ahem. Bikes. And water.

    Until a few years ago it never occurred to me that they could be combined in such a way as to be fun. I remember reading a NatGeo article way back when about an out-there (in both thinking and execution) expedition that traversed the entire Alaska Range using bikes and packrafts. And, of course, lotsa foot travel to connect the dots. But that didn't sound very appealing, especially when the participants themselves referred to it as '<a href="http://packrafting.blogspot.com/2009/08/hellbiking-lives.html">Hellbiking</a>'. They'd concocted and executed a novel, creative way to see a huge chunk of country, but to me it didn't sound like enough pure fun to be worth the cost--in dollars or suffering. The reality is that I hadn't yet acquired the experience or imagination needed to appreciate what they'd achieved.

    Lately the bikerafting idea has sunk it's teeth into my hide, largely as a result of the waaaaaay-out-there exploits of <a href="http://packrafting.blogspot.com/2010/06/canyonlands-grand-tour-1991.html">Roman</a>, <a href="http://lostcoastbike.blogspot.com/">Eric</a> and <a href="http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=422085">Dylan</a>, and lately <a href="http://therepublicofdoom.blogspot.com/2011/04/lower-dirty-devil-flash-tour.html">Doom</a>. Yes, ferchrissakes, you have my attention!

    I've been reading their stories and salivating over the images, all the while feeling a certain momentum building inside. A few months ago a conversation started that has been building and building into something concrete: a trip involving bikes, a few friends, and some wild Alaskan country that will require the use of boats. Dave has been the driving force behind the planning, and his <a href="http://surlybikes.com/blog/2486/">early efforts</a> at <a href="http://surlybikes.com/blog/2491/">learning</a> to become a bikeboater succeeded, finally, in pulling me down that road too.

    I acquired a <a href="https://www.alpackaraft.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.catalog&CategoryID=&Pro ductID=68">boat</a> and <a href="http://groundtruthtrekking.org/Book/">some</a> helpful <a href="http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/packrafting_roman_dial.html">literature</a>, devoured said literature in two late night benders, took my maiden voyage on a windy pothole lake with Fang along for company and entertainment, then decided that I needed to get into some moving water, stat.

    It didn't hurt that Fruita Fat Headed Geek Week is happening right now--that's enough to dissuade any rational non-sheeple to avoid the trails entirely.

    I spent the better part of Friday night fiddling with different ways of strapping the bike to the boat, and of carrying the boat on the bike. There isn't really a 'right' way to do either, just varying shades of grey depending on how far you're going to go, how strong your back is, and how brushy the creeks are. This realization, amidst a pile of junk straps and little used gear from the depths of the closet, brought me to a more important realization:

    I know nothing about paddling rivers.

    Canoeing on midwestern lakes comprises 99% of my experience, and most of that was an early-teenage me in the bow with Dad in the stern doing the real work of propulsion and control. Other than that, one rubber-ducky trip down the Middle Taylor (which I swam, repeatedly) and one sea kayak trip down Ruby/Horsethief on the Colorado.

    In a word: Noob.

    But hey--at least I know my place, and can start working from there.

    Which means yesterday AM I found myself looking at aerial pics of the Colorado River a few miles from home.

    <span style="font-style:italic;">Note to the unsuspecting--when you're ignorant and you know it, and you're prone to paranoia about worst-case scenarios, AND you know enough about spring snowmelt to be dangerous if not informed, the more quasi-pertinent info you find, the more paranoid you'll become. In short, the aerial pics were meant to give an idea of a put-in and a take-out. What they really did was to make my eyes sore trying to decipher which of many braids were runnable and which were too boney, or too full of strainers and sweepers. The end result of all the map lookee looing was a Grade-A case of analysis paralysis. I nearly made myself sick with anxiety.
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    Knowing that action of the right kind can diffuse a/p pretty quick, I tied my shoes, strapped on a helmet, and pedaled gently downhill toward the river.

    I rode along the Riverfront Trail (aka the Homeless Highway) headed upstream, and stopped often to scramble through the brush and take wide-eyed looks at the river. In a word, it seemed big, and the thought of my bigger-than-a-breadbox, smaller-than-a-bathtub boat bobbing along out there brought the anxiety level right back up. The water also seemed to be moving much faster than I could ever remember.

    I got back on the bike and kept pedaling.

    Eventually I came to a calmish slough with a grassy out-of-the-wind place to rig up, then dropped the bike and the pack. It was getting on toward evening and I wasn't likely to find a much better spot. Time to commit.
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    In a few short minutes I had the boat inflated, then started fiddling with straps and trying to remember which went where.
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    Maybe 10 minutes later the bike was secure, all extraneous gear had been stowed, and there was nothing left to do but get in and shove off.
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    I slid into the boat, secured the velcro spraydeck, took a last look on the bank for odds and ends, then pushed off. I could see that the slough met the main channel of the river about 300 yards ahead, so I used that distance to practice ferrying (forward and backward) across the current, moving back upriver, changing direction 90 degrees, then 180 degrees, picking a spot on land then trying to move to it without altering course, etc... Basically trying to make these moves seem somewhat ingrained, instead of having to think about them. I have a very small amount of muscle memory for canoeing, but kayaking is just completely different.
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    After maybe 10 minutes of avoiding the main channel, I let myself be carried out into it. And, as most of you are already aware, it just wasn't any big deal. I was moving faster in a larger volume of water, but this little boat is so stable and nimble that it just didn't seem to matter. The biggest thing was that I needed to learn to look farther down the river--just like driving (or, um, riding) when speeds increase.

    The most obvious things I noticed on this section were hordes of swifts, swallows, and martens swooping along at water level. I couldn't see any bugs but why else would they be there? They parted as I bobbed past, then came back together in my wake and proceeded, I hoped, to tear hell out of a fresh mosquito hatch.

    Clouds blew in fast, obscuring the sun and dropping the temps. It rained some, then snowed a little, then just like that they were gone and it was back to sun.
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    The sun/rain/snow/sun cycle repeated itself on into the evening. Looking upriver at a receding cell.
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    Then looking downriver at another approaching.
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    When the water was flat and calm I could peel back the spray deck, dig out the dry bag, open it, fiddle with a few dials and then take a picture or three. Then I'd hear or see an approaching change in the river, so I'd stash the camera and get both hands back on the paddle.
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    In reality, there wasn't much cause for concern. An occasional sweeper, a few deep undercuts with perplexing (to my uneducated mind) currents that seemed to plow straight into solid earth, and a few small rapids with wave trains but no holes. Naturally, I was moving the boat into what seemed the 'safe' places through all of these, thus you only get to see pics of calm, flat water.
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    I didn't manage to snag any pictures of the 'homeless' camps along the river, partially because I was in such a state of disbelief at how many there were. Dozens if not hundreds of tents, some of them assembled into compounds where it seemed they had electricity (there was LOUD music playing from a stereo, somewhere), communal tents with huge amounts of bike parking, and communal trash pits at the apparent edges of the camps. But mostly the tents were in ones and twos. I was barked at by several of their dogs, but never saw any of the people.

    It was also nice to observe that tamarisk seems to be on the downswing--mostly brown if not outright dead.
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    Around here I realized that most of my anxiety and apprehension were gone--I was just observing and ruminating, even as I read the river and adjusted my position in it.

    And that seemed to be a pretty big milestone to me.

    After that the sounds and sights of birds seemed to fill my whole world. Swifts and martens, plover and sandpiper, rails and herons, canada geese and mallard ducks, even an invisible but audible ringneck pheasant somewhere out in the reeds. Lots of life out here, but, at least on the water, I saw no people.

    Maybe 40 minutes later, just before sunset, I saw an obvious takeout and ferried over to it. Not much mud, a short scramble up to flat earth, and my first bikerafting trip was 2/3 done.
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    A few minutes of de-rigging and reassembling and I was zipping down the Homeless Highway, bubbling with enthusiasm <span style="font-weight:bold;">not</span> at what I'd just done, but at what I would now be able to do.
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    Inspired. Enthusiastic. Giggling. All of these describe my state of mind as I rolled back into town.

    Later, I pulled out some maps. Maps that I've been poring over for years, that I've used to plan and execute other trips in other times. And you know what?

    They all look different now.

    * * * * *

    P.S. To Roman, Eric, Dylan, and Doom: Why the hell didn't you grab me by the scruff and TELL ME SOONER?!

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    Photoshop Welds... as in perfect, artwork, damn amazing!

    Nice, sweet, read on the river run...

    Life is just about perfect, ehhh?

    So, when do you go to AK? Look forward to your post about it...

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    TRULY self-contained, self-propelled, all terrain vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deVries View Post

    So, when do you go to AK? Look forward to your post about it...
    So, perhaps this is what you wanted to see? http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=721808

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    So, perhaps this is what you wanted to see?

    Alaska bike rafting thread
    Hey! Thanks!

    Anyone that has missed this video should follow Guitar Ted's link above & then watch that video Mike made.

    Simply AWESOME Adventure to Etch Your Mind Forever... hope we all can do 'that' someday -or- better yet already & someday too!

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    Incredible bike, and terrific photography! Keep it comin'.


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    must be nice, great story and pics

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    And then along came Nate...

    ...and even *more* doors were opened.

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    First few rides it was kinda hard to wrap my head around all that traction, from all those knobs. Now that I've gotten used to it, I'm not quite sure what to do with it. Our trails just don't require that much grip!

    Starting to thinker up some places to take this setup where it can truly shine. Which has also made me start to thinker about how to improve the overall package. Could be time for V2...

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    That's a perfect setup for that bike. I can't imagine the grip. I've talked to Moots a few times, but they really don't want to build anything like this for the general customer. Any tricks to getting this done?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ...and even *more* doors were opened.

    First few rides it was kinda hard to wrap my head around all that traction, from all those knobs. Now that I've gotten used to it, I'm not quite sure what to do with it. Our trails just don't require that much grip!

    Starting to thinker up some places to take this setup where it can truly shine. Which has also made me start to thinker about how to improve the overall package. Could be time for V2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairllama View Post
    That's a perfect setup for that bike. I can't imagine the grip. I've talked to Moots a few times, but they really don't want to build anything like this for the general customer. Any tricks to getting this done?
    Fat wads of cash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairllama View Post
    they really don't want to build anything like this for the general customer. Any tricks to getting this done?

    Its nice to know what folks are doing and all but its just a tease. Like that girl back in high school.

    Too much ketchup now with Surly pulling away into the future and bringin' it to the masses.

    Just pulled trigger on a set of Nates fo myself. Thanks Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv View Post
    Its nice to know what folks are doing and all but its just a tease. Like that girl back in high school.
    She didn't tease everybody--some of us learned what she liked and how to keep her comin' back for more.

    Just sayin'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangoman View Post
    Fat wads of cash!
    Tried that. Couldn't even get them to do a mostly stock MootoX with a direct mount front derailleur.

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    Evolution.

    A veritable storm of ideas coalesced inside my noggin late last summer, all related to where I want to take this bike the next few years, and what needed to change (on the bike) in order to enable it all to happen.

    The sticking point has always been the fork--the bike was originally designed around the Maverick SC32, but I never even liked it, and I certainly didn't love it enough to keep it.

    So I moved on to the Maverick DUC, and that was a BIG improvement in chassis stiffness and damping--in fact it's not a stretch to say that I *loved* what the DUC did for this bike. But the DUC has a fatal flaw--very limited tire clearance. Where I'm going I need float, which means I needed more tire clearance.

    MCS was kind enough to offer a set of Lefty clamps but I had something else in mind.

    First things first--the patient needed a 'procedure' so that she could be fitted for an organ transplant.

    Buckled her down good:
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    Off with her head!
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    New head sewn on:
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    But something's different--obviously. What? Why?

    All the hints you need are right here:
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    One more hint--and this one's almost a dead giveaway--comes from the title of this post.

    Get it?

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    Threaded steerer tube?? Rock Shox Mag 21 Ti?

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    Okay, I'll play... ActionTec?

    You did have one on that B2



    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    But something's different--obviously. What? Why?

    All the hints you need are right here:
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    One more hint--and this one's almost a dead giveaway--comes from the title of this post.

    Get it?

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    OOOOO!!!!! That's a good guess! I hope it's a fat Action-Tec, I really do!

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    Variable head angle?
    As little bike as possible, as silent as possible.
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    Hey Mike, whatever happened to that awe-inspiring Zipp disc / fat rear wheel you pieced together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty View Post
    Okay, I'll play... ActionTec?

    You did have one on that B2
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rYgBGp3LMWfmRLzwhOpGxLNqVa4cxzZiKb61FvxUSvk?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cjNqPLBU7zk/TxGoQrYru-I/AAAAAAAAecE/WxfpRRYg0oE/s800/IMG_8204.jpg" height="538" width="800" /></a>

    Aosty FTW!

    The whole bike got a spa treatment, with new rims and tires at the top of the list: BFL's on 90's, tubeless (for now?).
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    Headed up to ~11,000' with it shortly...

    MC

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    Hold the phone.

    MC went tubeless??????

    That's bigger news than the new fork thingie, (though that is pretty freakin' hawt!)

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    I've only heard one rumor about that fork, that it doesn't tolerate long term wear - so I'm glad it's in your hands for evaluation, beat the **** out of it!

    Also, zoom out! I'd like to see the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Hold the phone.

    MC went tubeless??????

    That's bigger news than the new fork thingie, (though that is pretty freakin' hawt!)

    Say there young'n, I've been havin' problems with tubeless since you were knee high to a grasshopper...



    I've got three 90's set untubed right now. RIdden once, down to stupid low PSI's (measured at 0.0 on my digital gauge...) trying to break the beads loose. Nope.

    Got home, pumped 'em back up to 6 or so, then shut down the shop and went to bed.

    Came out in the AM to find two flats.

    Hence my 'for now?!' question above.

    As always, I want it to work. But that may not be enough...

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    The suspension portion of that fork looks like one of the old Cannondale HeadSkok/P-Bone/Super Fatty forks.

    Be interesting to hear how it works.
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    An old friend/former boss of mine use to have (probably still has) what was called a Merlin Fat Beat. It was a titanium Merlin with a Cannondale Headshok and a Moots YBB rear end. This is kinda like that, but much fatter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    As always, I want it to work. But that may not be enough...
    Your bikes don't just do what you want either huh? Mine are poorly trained too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    I've only heard one rumor about that fork, that it doesn't tolerate long term wear - so I'm glad it's in your hands for evaluation, beat the **** out of it!

    Also, zoom out! I'd like to see the whole thing.
    The assembly slides on ball bearings, which can be replaced with a slightly oversized set as they wear. At least that's what they tell me--I had one of these on a custom 29" fork ~10 years ago, rode it for a few seasons and several thousand off-road miles, and can't remember having done a thing to it in that time.

    My overwhelming impression of that one way back when was that it was light, simple, and with just the right amount of give. First ride on the new one today reinforced that.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jddjirikian View Post
    The suspension portion of that fork looks like one of the old Cannondale HeadSkok/P-Bone/Super Fatty forks.
    That's an interesting way to look at it.

    Because Cannondale effectively stole the idea from Russ @ Action Tec, and made no effort to conceal this fact. I wasn't there so this is second-hand, but I'm told that C'dale actually approached him at Interbike in the early 90's, showed him their version of his design, then wished him good luck getting any money out of them for having stolen it.

    I didn't know Russ back then so I don't know how he responded. But I know that these days he thinks it's pretty funny, because in his mind the C'Dale unit has always had a fatal flaw. I didn't press him for the details on that--I know only that it was something to do with the damping, some minute detail that apparently they never figured out, or never cared to change.

    Anyhoo...

    First ride on the new one today. Aside from a small top-out clunk when manualing through snowmachine whoopdedoos, the fork felt really good. For that matter, the whole package felt really damn good--seemed to be pretty invisible beneath me until conversation turned (as it always does) back to technical minutia, and then I'd realize that all was working smoothly.

    Pics and words later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Hey Mike, whatever happened to that awe-inspiring Zipp disc / fat rear wheel you pieced together?
    It was pretty awesome, wasn't it?



    The remnants of it are hanging from a nail in the wall of my shop. And that about sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Hold the phone.

    MC went tubeless??????

    That's bigger news than the new fork thingie, (though that is pretty freakin' hawt!)

    Got in a solid XC ride on this setup today. Front was bomber--only lost pressure when I opened the valve and dumped on purpose for soft trail.

    Rear? Not so much. Repeated burpage and leakage. Sounds like a personal problem, I know...

    I may tear it down and retape it a little different, but so far this confirms my feelings on ghetto tubeless setups.

    MC

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rYgBGp3LMWfmRLzwhOpGxLNqVa4cxzZiKb61FvxUSvk?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cjNqPLBU7zk/TxGoQrYru-I/AAAAAAAAecE/WxfpRRYg0oE/s800/IMG_8204.jpg" height="538" width="800" /></a>

    Aosty FTW!

    The whole bike got a spa treatment, with new rims and tires at the top of the list: BFL's on 90's, tubeless (for now?).
    Very cool.... what did I win?!

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    This is about all I got for 'bike shots' today. Seems like we did a heckuva lot more riding than anything else.

    Nothin' wrong with that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It was pretty awesome, wasn't it?



    The remnants of it are hanging from a nail in the wall of my shop. And that about sums it up.

    MC
    Haha, figured as much. Must make a really cool wall ornament though... maybe turn it into a clock...

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    nice!....and full circle, no? didnt you have a willits with an action tec?

    edit: just read down, already covered...

    still looks good tho' :-)~
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    I'd like to know more about the fork that is underneath that action tec unit. Where did it come from? Width? Offset? Why black? Why not, say, neon pink?

    And so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Got in a solid XC ride on this setup today. Front was bomber--only lost pressure when I opened the valve and dumped on purpose for soft trail.

    Rear? Not so much. Repeated burpage and leakage. Sounds like a personal problem, I know...

    I may tear it down and retape it a little different, but so far this confirms my feelings on ghetto tubeless setups.

    MC
    Curious. As I've always maintained, we all ride differently.

    What pressure were you running? I'll assume you had the super wide Stans tape?

    I have beat the snot out of mine at 8 or so, hard climbing, cornering etc, no burp.

    I did have to retape one of them initially, sounds like you're having the same situation I did. One solid, one wonky.

    I found it really helped to have a super dry, clean rim, no sealant remnants. Rim strip down, taped at the valve and seam to cover the drain holes and old the strip, then a well stretched layer of Stans tape. I hit everything with speed degreaser prior to the Stans too.

    Then, using a rag, I pushed hard and spun the wheel a bunch to really settle the tape into place. Any open wrinkles, edges, crinkles etc, allowed the sealant to creep in, and cause leaking.

    Once I got the technique down, they have held air for over 2 months...

    Ghetto? I dunno if it's Ghetto, this is the one set up I wouldn't give that name to.

    Hope you get it working, I found it well worth the initial screwing around.
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    hmm...why is there an (aluminium? sleeve?) insert in the head tube? something to do with how action tecs work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    hmm...why is there an (aluminium? sleeve?) insert in the head tube? something to do with how action tecs work?
    I future proofed it to some extent. The AT fork uses an old-school 1 1/4" steerer and HS, and an 1 1/8" stem.

    I'm not sure if we were even discussing this frame/fork at the time, but Brian Blair (aka Donkey 'round these parts) mentioned something about the new 44mm headtube standard possibly being reduced to use 1 1/4". Light bulb went off. So that's what those silver sleeves are doing--adapting the 44mm HT to the 1 1/4" HS.

    Pretty slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Curious. As I've always maintained, we all ride differently.

    What pressure were you running? I'll assume you had the super wide Stans tape?

    I have beat the snot out of mine at 8 or so, hard climbing, cornering etc, no burp.

    I did have to retape one of them initially, sounds like you're having the same situation I did. One solid, one wonky.

    I found it really helped to have a super dry, clean rim, no sealant remnants. Rim strip down, taped at the valve and seam to cover the drain holes and old the strip, then a well stretched layer of Stans tape. I hit everything with speed degreaser prior to the Stans too.

    Then, using a rag, I pushed hard and spun the wheel a bunch to really settle the tape into place. Any open wrinkles, edges, crinkles etc, allowed the sealant to creep in, and cause leaking.

    Once I got the technique down, they have held air for over 2 months...

    Ghetto? I dunno if it's Ghetto, this is the one set up I wouldn't give that name to.

    Hope you get it working, I found it well worth the initial screwing around.
    Doubt I got below 8psi yesterday.

    I *always* tube my tires, at at least 30 psi, for a few hours before untubing them. The point being to make absolutely sure that the tape is perfectly stuck down everywhere, allowing no egress for air nor sealant.

    Since the rim is designed with beadlocks, I'll let it slide, but these tires were never, ever intended to be run tubeless, making this setup 100% ghetto in my book.

    Not giving up on it yet, but prepared to if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogdude222 View Post
    I'd like to know more about the fork that is underneath that action tec unit. Where did it come from? Width? Offset? Why black? Why not, say, neon pink?

    And so on...
    Russ at Action Tec built the fork. I sent him a 90 laced to a Fatback hub, with a BFL mounted, so that he'd have a template for dropout width and tire clearance. We talked on the phone several times before he went to work, and I mention that because if you've ever had the pleasure of talking with Russ you know what a salt-of-the-earth genuine nice guy he is.

    A big consideration was keeping the A-C the frame was designed around--no small feat at 530mm. More on that later.

    Anyhoo, during one of those conversations Russ mentioned that he could probably get about 7" of clearance between the pipes, which made me giggle out loud before agreeing wholeheartedly that that'd work!

    My tenure riding snowbikes goes back to long before there was such a beast. Which simply means that my tastes and preferences have evolved with every generation of ever-widening rims and tires that have been produced. My experience is that a snowbike works best with a low BB and an uber slack HTA, the former to give better standover when ankle deep into fluff, the latter helping to auto-center the incessant wandering of the front wheel/tire (regardless of tread) that can't grip the surface of the snow because the surface is always moving. (Got all that?) So along with the 530mm A-C, 135mm OLD, and 7" BtP, I had Russ build it with ~54mm of offset.

    Yes, 54. That's coupled with a 67* HTA. Which gives a trail number of about eleventy billion.

    In a technologically-aided attempt to limit front wheel wander, I've used Hopey steering dampers for the last few years on both of my snowbikes. The effect is immediately noticeable--they keep the front wheel from wandering, allowing you to expend less energy holding a straight line. If you ride soft snow and narrow trails like I often do, being able to keep the front end quiet is *the* difference between riding the skinny line and crashing/cursing/walking. All you have to do to prove it's worth is turn it off (easy enough to do, even on the fly) and suddenly you're weaving and crashing like the proverbial drunken sailor. The downside to the Hopey? I have yet to have one last more than 200 (yes, 200) miles before it loses all damping and becomes merely ornamental. On top of that, Tim Hopey has essentially called me a liar each time I call him to ask him to rebuild the unit, and often takes better than 6 months to return them to me. There's a lot more to that story, but the takeaway is that damping the steering works wonders on soft snow even if Hopey dampers aren't up to snuff.

    Knowing that with the hydraulic unit of the Action Tec fork I would never be able to run a damper, I exaggerated the amount of offset to essentially mimic the same effect. It looks downright weird when viewed in profile, but it's hard to see the profile view of a bike when riding, unless you're prone to cruising along windowed storefronts. I've only got one ride in on the new fork, but I was able to swap with a guy on a snowbike with very traditional frame and fork geo. I rode his bike a few times in a few different snow conditions, and it was immediately apparent each time that mine held a straighter line with less effort/input.

    Phew. Got all that?

    Oh--and black because it's the new black.

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    I like the idea's you have. They are well thought out and you're not afraid to try them. Really enjoyed the read!

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    I like the idea's you have. They are well thought out and you're not afraid to try them. Really enjoyed the read!
    Read enough of MC posts and you understand he really IS the "thinker" (his term). And you will learn a thing or two, and if really lucky lucky, start to think and tinker yourself to improve your ride.
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    On Saturday AM I met Cutty and Dreamboat atop Grand Mesa. Our objective was somewhat ambitious, depending on firm trails and minimal paddle-track-equipped slednecks to "go" in the span of an afternoon. 3 weeks of high pressure (with only a scant few inches of snow) leading up to this day made it seem like it just might happen.

    Classic Colorado winter scene.
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    The early miles proved the most difficult: punchy underneath yet wind whipped on top. Low tire pressure is required to maintain float on the ephemeral crust, but too low and you'll spin your tires on the surface merengue. 7-8psi seemed about ideal.
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    Dreamboat bailed after an hour, opting to go get drunk instead. Cutty and I committed to the meat of the loop--the switchbacks and rollers down to the Cottonwoods.
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    Hoots and yelps escaped both of us on this must-be-ridden-to-be-appreciated descent. I know of no other like it that is rideable by over-the-snow bicycle.
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    Occasionally you just had to stop and look around. "<span style="font-style:italic;">Am I really here, atop feet of snow, and *grinning*, with a bike</span>?!"
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    And then it was back to slaying the descent.
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    Minor fiddling required.
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    The descending on this loop is mostly front ended, leaving the real work for the second half. I found the climbing grades about perfect for middle ring spinning, with an occasional and brief dip into the granny.
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    No two ways about it, the snowpack in Colorado is *thin*. Rocks were prevalent where normally (at this time of year) you'd see none, and there was even dirt and mud visible in places. This shot was taken at better than 10,000'.
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    Well <span style="font-style:italic;">hellooooo there</span>, beautiful. You live around here...?!
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    Normally virgin meadows had been thrashed weeks before by powder-starved 'necks doing what they could to stay sane.
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    Gorgeous late-afternoon light as we cut the Crag Crest at a low point.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ZSEAZFBCMak4VS48suJzLbNqVa4cxzZiKb61FvxUSvk?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QfxZc8lmzyo/TxZViq-QabI/AAAAAAAAefU/QXrKbeNJ7IE/s800/IMG_8859.jpg" height="456" width="800" /></a>

    Little more fiddling.
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    We played hide-and-go-seek with the sun for the last ~hour as we passed into and out of thick stands of spruce.
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    It vanished for good as we crossed the last lake, <span style="font-style:italic;">just</span> as we were welcomed back by the sweet caress of wood smoke. It's just not winter without wood smoke, is it?
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    We aired back up for the paved climb that closed the loop, grinding it out while gawking at the twinkling lights of Delta and Cedaredge far below.
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    We finished in full dark, thankful for 6 memorable yet uneventful hours out on the bike.

    Thanks for checking in.

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    Cannot think of a sufficient caption:

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
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    Great shot man.
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    Yes!

    It's cool how the rider almost has a "halo" or "aura" or "penumbra" around him.
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    Ahem...

    Now we need an FAQ on how to get such stooopid good pics.

    Epic. Stunning. Can't imagine anyone looking at this and not feeling envious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jddjirikian View Post
    Yes!

    It's cool how the rider almost has a "halo" or "aura" or "penumbra" around him.
    I think that's my spirit leaving my body after Mike told me how much riding was still left to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    In a technologically-aided attempt to limit front wheel wander, I've used Hopey steering dampers for the last few years on both of my snowbikes. The effect is immediately noticeable--they keep the front wheel from wandering, allowing you to expend less energy holding a straight line. If you ride soft snow and narrow trails like I often do, being able to keep the front end quiet is *the* difference between riding the skinny line and crashing/cursing/walking.
    Holy cow, I rode my pug on my commute the other day through 6" of slush, usually it's 50 min total, Tuesday it was closer to 3 hrs, and it was like white-water kayaking the whole way, there were all these interleaved layers of different viscosity slush pushing me and pulling me all over the place. I wouldn't have minded the leverage a of an 8' 2-blade paddle vs just a straight handlebar. The right hand that I sprained in late Sep that was mostly better was really feeling it at the end of the return trip.

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    That's funny, I actually drew up a frame this summer just for fun to do the same thing and was going to talk to Russ about it. I scrapped the idea when I decided that I kinda like riding fully rigid, but now I know the fork is a possibility.... I may have to bring it back. Top notch Mike.

    On a side note, I haven't had much luck dealing with AT's new owner(Yup, Russ is retiring).....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPcycles View Post
    That's funny, I actually drew up a frame this summer just for fun to do the same thing and was going to talk to Russ about it. I scrapped the idea when I decided that I kinda like riding fully rigid, but now I know the fork is a possibility.... I may have to bring it back. Top notch Mike.

    On a side note, I haven't had much luck dealing with AT's new owner(Yup, Russ is retiring).....
    Russ at Action Tec sold his business the week that he built my fork. 23 years of running it and he was still as friendly and gregarious as ever. Never met him, but would still love to. He actually called to tell me he was shipping my fork out on that Friday, right as the moving vans showed up to relocate the business. Thanked me for being the last customer he’d get to serve as owner of the company.

    They don’t make ‘em like Russ anymore…

    I don't know if Tim (new owner) does any welding or fabricating, but I'm sure you can still buy the hydraulic unit and do your own work, or farm it out to someone that can. I *love* the idea of large diameter ti lower legs on this thing to match the 'look' of my frame, but wanted to make sure it worked well before diving in that deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
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    Thanks for more long, snowy riding inspiration Mike!

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    Truly beautiful...still think the concept would also make a great cross bike...do me a favor and throw a set for wood chippers and 29'ers on it this summer and let me know...
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    Geekin' out.

    Although I've owned this bike for a few years, the new front end has thrown a minor wrench into all that I'd done to 'dial it in' to my liking.

    Which means during and after every ride there is mandatory fiddling getting done. A sure sign that a bike is 'dialed' is when I can ride it 5 or 6 times in a row and not need to spin a wrench nor change a tire. Gonna be about a dozen rides I'd guess before that happens...

    Right now the fiddling is largely tire and rim related. I've been riding 100mm rims for ~5 years now on my 'expedition' snow bike, but never gave thought to running them on this type of bike because they were so ponderous. The introduction of Speedway's 90mm and Surly's ClownShoe 100mm rims changed that--they're light enough to ride for fun.

    First two rides were on 90's with BFL's, tubeless. So far, tubeless fatties haven't really blown up my skirt. Lots and lots of fiddling to get them set and holding air. More fiddling to *keep* them holding through a ride. I keep scratching my head and wondering what I was trying to achieve with the tubeless thing to begin with? For me, it keeps coming back to the fact that I rarely flat using Surly tubes, and once you factor in all of the tape/rim strip/sealant voodoo, there is virtually zero difference in weight.

    So yesterday I pulled the BFL/90 wheels off and stuck a set of Clown Shoes on. BFL up front, Husker Du out back. The change to the HD rear tire was part curiosity, part necessity. In other words, I want to get more miles on this tire as so far it is impressive. But also because the combo of the 100mm rim and the BFL is just a skosh too big to fit the rear end of this bike. Planned obsolescence? Lack of foresight?

    Meh. 3 years ago whom envisioned this many (good, big) options in rims and tires? Not I, and I signed off on the frame drawing. Meh.

    Here's how she sits. Atm, IIRC, trail is at ~122mm.
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    Apologies for minor blurriness and graininess. Hand held after dark with a non-IS lens means I had to crank the ISO, and shutter speeds were ~1/20 or so...

    Clearance, Clarence.
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    Front tire measures ~116mm right now, and has ~7mm between it and the fork legs.

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    Rear tire is at 108mm, and has ~5mm to the chainstays and 6mm to the seatstays.

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    A little sumpin' sumpin. Because sumpin' trumps nuthin'.
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    Where the housing gets hidden--usually tucked between the TT and the frame bag.
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    Where the cockpit sits:
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    Reach is good, needs a little more rise. Ordered a few stems this AM.

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    New front hub. Love the 9mm thru-bolt QR.
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    Favorite rear hub, ever. 165mm OLD.
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    Running a full 9spd 11-34 cassette out back, and a 20 x 29t up front. Phil square BB. 170mm cranks. Drivetrain/shifting is most definitely dialed.
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    Geek alert: favorite brake lever hook, for use with gloves, ever. Bonus points for non-cold-transferring carbon.
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    More later,

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    I hope so! By the way, what handlebar is that?

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    Fine looking bike. I like your front fork solution. I've had a similar setup on a couple of road bikes and thought it was a tidy way to get front suspension (Moulton & Tyrell) when you don't need a lot of travel.

    Do you notice any improvement from the 9mm bolt through?
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    You weren't kidding when you said that bike was slacked out. I imagine it cuts through softer, deeper snow easier with the weight distribution on the rear more.

    That a Rock Shox dropper post?

    And what is the extra nipple just behind the head tube on the top tube for? A place to mount some gadget or nuther? Or more "nunya"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    And what is the extra nipple just behind the head tube on the top tube for? A place to mount some gadget or nuther? Or more "nunya"?
    Hopey steering damper mount.


    Edit/correction: It's where he keeps his weed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty View Post
    Hopey steering damper mount.
    Will I be getting an invoice for your services?

    I was gonna answer that it was where I kept my weed--til you blew it for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Will I be getting an invoice for your services?

    I was gonna answer that it was where I kept my weed--til you blew it for me...

    I've corrected my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje View Post
    I hope so! By the way, what handlebar is that?
    Custom bars. 22* of sweep, 31.8 center section allows them to be stiff and light, but the main benefit is that I can store ~16oz of liquid inside of them. Usually denatured alcohol to run my camp stove.

    Pics of the valve setup further up in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Custom bars. 22* of sweep, 31.8 center section allows them to be stiff and light, but the main benefit is that I can store ~16oz of liquid inside of them. Usually denatured alcohol to run my camp stove.

    Pics of the valve setup further up in this thread.
    I would be tempted to store a different kind of alcohol in there, but that's me. I was wondering what those were also. Very nice look and great feel from the saddle.
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    So beautiful, such a great post. Thank you for the epic-ness and great photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funrover View Post
    So beautiful, such a great post. Thank you for the epic-ness and great photos.
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    The bike is cool no doubt, but I love seeing pics of the piles and piles of rims, tires and such you have around for your day job. Love it.

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    Dinged my elbow about 10 days ago and have been unable to ride, ski, paddle. It was a solid 8 days of walking with the dog before I was able to heft a camera--and even then I needed two hands to do it.
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    Really haven't been able to do much other than answer emails and build a few wheels.

    Until yesterday. Even though I merely rode a short, scenic stretch of pavement, with maybe a ~3 mile piece of micro chunk to test the arm, it was *liberating* to be back on a bike with wind on my cheeks.
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    Nice to be back.

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    rewind

    ....
    9mm thru axle qr? 135mm? whatwherehow?

    :-)~
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    9mm thru axle qr? 135mm? whatwherehow?

    :-)~
    That was pretty much my reaction when I found out about these. Hiding right under our noses, too.

    Fatback hubs.

    9mm thru x 135mm front, 10mm thru x 170mm rear. And the thru-bolts are QR.

    Pretty slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    That was pretty much my reaction when I found out about these. Hiding right under our noses, too.

    Fatback hubs.

    9mm thru x 135mm front, 10mm thru x 170mm rear. And the thru-bolts are QR.

    Pretty slick.

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    I hadn't realized that......pretty nice.

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    thanks Mr See....hadnt clocked that at all....hmmmmm!...
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    Twenty.

    Inconceivable though it seems, last weekend marked an anniversary of sorts: Two decades of missions in and around Moab.

    The best part is how little I feel I've seen in that time--so much more 'sploring to be done.

    Chops and Fettucini were champing at the bit to get their feet wet packrafting, and for a brief few days I found myself in possession of three boats. They came up with a plan that involved mellow floating--to allow them to figure things out with little stress on the water--and with mellow riding to keep my as-yet tender elbow happy.

    Chops and I strapped boats, bags, and bivies onto our bikes and rode out to Fettucini's place.
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    A minor amount of fiddling and gawking there before we headed across the street, literally, to put in.
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    Usually a good idea (especially early season) to paddle a short distance, take out, readjust, retemper, and re-cinch, then start fresh.
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    The river doesn't so much flow as <span style="font-style:italic;">ooze</span> this time of year, thus if we wanted to make progress it was largely up to us to put our backs into it. Dodging sandbars and reapplying sunscreen became the most challenging aspects of the day.
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    Around about here I called a powwow so that we could run the numbers. We'd taken but one break in ~5 hours of paddling, yet had covered far less than half of the distance to camp. And with only three hours til dark, it seemed we needed to make a change. All agreed, so we deflated the boats, put wheels back onto bikes, and continued downriver.
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    We doubled our mileage for the day in less than an hour of easy pedaling. There the road ended at a boat launch. And hey whaddya know--we've got boats!
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    The canyon had constricted a bit, giving us a minor amount of current to enjoy. The river oozed us along, the light got creamy, and all we had to do was occasionally dip a blade to adjust our view.
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    The sun vanished as we reached our takeout, giving us reason not to dally as the temps dropped at water level.
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    We rode out a wash, found a rough track that became a road, then ascended a few hundred vert to gain a few degrees of warmth. No wood meant no fire, which also meant that we all tucked in fairly early.

    Cookin' dinner:
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    Moonrise, hours later.
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    A quick breakfast for the boys while I fixed a flat, then we got back on the bikes.
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    A quick regroup for views and layer adjustments at the top, then down we went.
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    No blood had spilled, no one swam the frigid river, we'd all even gotten some good sleep. Thus we were all smiles as we rolled back into town, vowing to do it again soon.
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    Wish I had the time to do stuff like this... epic for sure, for a city slicker like me.

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    Fettucini's place is pretty cool!....inspirational yet again...
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    I hope to someday have these adventures!

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    Care to share any more photos or info on Fettucini's place? That was very cool, and I build for a living! And great pics of Moab, I love that place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayman29 View Post
    Care to share any more photos or info on Fettucini's place? That was very cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayman29 View Post
    Care to share any more photos or info on Fettucini's place? That was very cool, and I build for a living! And great pics of Moab, I love that place!
    Sorry--what you saw is what I took. Felt odd to be waving a camera around in (what amounts to) another man's bedroom.

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    Filthy.

    Last weekend I had a dilemma. Doom invited me to enjoy a backcountry bike/boat trip with him, and right up til the last minute I debated which 'format' made more sense--fat or 29".

    The route started with 26 miles of pavement. Everyone else was riding 2.4ish tires. Seemed prudent to stick with skinnier tires so as not to have to work extra hard to keep up. Advantage 29".

    Then we'd head down a rough 4wd road (that was often more of a wash or even a stream) for 16 miles. Utah has had a sparse winter as far as precip, so I expected this stretch to be very sandy and loose. Advantage fat.

    Then we'd inflate our boats, stack bikes onto the bows, and float for a day and a half back to our starting point. Low flows in the river meant that we would often scrape the bottom, thus every ounce shaved would give you that much more leeway between your butt and the bottom. Floating beats walking in sludge, every time. Advantage 29".

    This was my thinking in the days leading up to the trip--in reality I'd never been to this area, hadn't seen any of it firsthand.

    About an hour before leaving I finally fell off the fence, installing the 29" wheelset with 2.4" tires.

    Some visuals:
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    Ultimately the 29" wheelset was the best overall choice. The pavement climb would have been a drag with fats. A few short sections of the 4wd road/wash would have been better with fats: I'd guess 13 of the 16 miles were easily ridden with the 29 x 2.4's, and of the remaining 3 probably half to 2/3 were rideable with a little extra effort. The rest we pushed--through sand that would have been easily rideable on fats. Floating was definitely better with a shorter, skinnier load on the bow.

    Rough to have such difficult dilemmas to sort through...!

    Cheers,

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    Wonderful movie and a truly awesome adventure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    Ultimately the 29" wheelset was the best overall choice.
    Impossible!! I am afraid I will have to negative rep you for that comment.
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    Two recent trips done on/with this bike.

    May:
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    Full details for each can be found here.--just scroll down a bit.

    Cheers,

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    Effing Bud...

    ...is a freaking stud.

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    Thanks Surly--just in time for mudbog season round here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ...is a freaking stud.
    Want one, badly.

    Hate waiting, come on boat from China.....
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    Hey Craig (MendonCycleSmith), we need to talk again about the fat bike build for me. I'm digging the idea of having a 29er normal wheel option on the fat bike frame. I guess I'm back on the titanium wagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCanipe View Post
    Hey Craig (MendonCycleSmith), we need to talk again about the fat bike build for me. I'm digging the idea of having a 29er normal wheel option on the fat bike frame. I guess I'm back on the titanium wagon.
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    It's funny, I built a 29er rear for my Form, I've bolted it on a few times, it always ends up coming off. The fat just feels so good!

    Guess I've got a rear one for you if you need it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    It's funny, I built a 29er rear for my Form, I've bolted it on a few times, it always ends up coming off. The fat just feels so good!

    Guess I've got a rear one for you if you need it...
    The idea of having a titanium frame with a Lefty that I can put full 29" wheels on when I want and still have the ability to go full fat along with the geometry I want is pretty compelling. I better get selling stuff on ebay because I see $$$ going out the door!

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    Managed to get out for my ~longest ride of the summer yesterday. Saw no one for the first ~4 hours, but as I neared the end (and the trailhead) I crossed paths with a few guys.

    Here's the bike as ridden:
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    I was descending a chunky bit of trail when I saw a guy climbing toward me. Pulled over to let him come up but he stopped and stepped off the trail anyway, quipping, "Yours is bigger, you come on down...".

    Seeing the full-frontal view of Bud *is* pretty impressive--even on a Marge Lite.

    The other guy I passed looked closely then asked why I ran such a 'relatively small' tire out back.

    That'd be a BFL, also on a Marge Lite. Bud really does make BFL look small. The casings are within ~2mm, but the difference in tread has to be seen *and* ridden to be believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCanipe View Post
    The idea of having a titanium frame with a Lefty that I can put full 29" wheels on when I want and still have the ability to go full fat along with the geometry I want is pretty compelling.
    Yep, agreed, and I blame Mikesee for my version of said vision.

    That bike just keeps looking better Mike, keep up the great work!
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    Great pics and bike Mike. All you ever do is cost me a ton of money. My fat bike or Lenz Mammoth conundrum has swung decisively toward the fat bike. But if I sold the Lunchbox and the Leviathan, I could swing both as long as the divorce doesn't kill me and the kids skip college.

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    Cripes, that makes the BFL look like a slick.

    Love it.
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    How does the Bud roll compared to the BFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradA57 View Post
    How does the Bud roll compared to the BFL?
    I'm afraid I won't be able to answer that.

    Bud makes me feel like I'm 14 again. And that's all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Managed to get out for my ~longest ride of the summer yesterday. Saw no one for the first ~4 hours, but as I neared the end (and the trailhead) I crossed paths with a few guys.

    Here's the bike as ridden:
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    I was descending a chunky bit of trail when I saw a guy climbing toward me. Pulled over to let him come up but he stopped and stepped off the trail anyway, quipping, "Yours is bigger, you come on down...".

    Seeing the full-frontal view of Bud *is* pretty impressive--even on a Marge Lite.

    The other guy I passed looked closely then asked why I ran such a 'relatively small' tire out back.

    That'd be a BFL, also on a Marge Lite. Bud really does make BFL look small. The casings are within ~2mm, but the difference in tread has to be seen *and* ridden to be believed.

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    Where is that riding spot? Looks like Phils World...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I was descending a chunky bit of trail when I saw a guy climbing toward me. Pulled over to let him come up but he stopped and stepped off the trail anyway, quipping, "Yours is bigger, you come on down...".

    MC
    I was that guy, and when I said that was running an Endomorph on a 44mm trials rim up front, and Bud made it look and feel like a cyclocross tire next to that monster.
    When two fat bikes meet, (or semi fat in my case) however's fatter gets right of way!

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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons." -- James Thurber</span></div>
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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful." -- Ann Landers</span></div>
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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend, and inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx</span></div>
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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Nauseatingly trite? &nbsp;Yep.</span></div>
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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Pretty hard to argue with most of 'em though.</span></div>
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    <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Immerse yourself completely into whatever it is that you're doing.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Nauseatingly trite? Yep.
    No. Don't post this and then turn around and... what I'm trying to say is too often people will deride the heartfelt, even when it comes from themselves, to save embarrassment or something, especially in the (quasi?) public eye.

    Don't be like most people, to put it nicely.

    This post resonated, so clearly. Made me think of my last dog, a springer I raised from when I was 12 to 24, an animal and friend I now use as a benchmark for all others, a level where few animals and even fewer people rank as highly in my admiration. I miss him, and have learned to do so fondly instead of sadly.

    Looks like you have a good dog.

    ...

    Technical question, specs on your stomach/chest mounted camera setup? It looks much more connected to the situation than a helmet cam.
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    No derision of my own stuff intended--just calling a spade a spade when it comes to the other quotes. If 'nauseatingly trite' doesn't describe them accurately, I'm open to suggestions!

    Camera is my normal DSLR with 8mm lens in a chest mount harness. Need to be able to fiddle with shutter speed and depth of field to get those types of shots, and POV's can't do either.

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    The color of now.

    But not necessarily the color of leaves.

    Instead I mean the polished black of canyon walls, tire marks on slickrock, bottoms of boats ghost surfing in rapids. Or the hue of that intermediate space between the fringe of your campfire and what lies beyond.
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    The white of pounding water, cloud tops, or bared (as in laughter!) teeth.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7cbI4gyukE3_HDygo2uhpRltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1NdwpLlaH-s/UHcZh761UaI/AAAAAAAAhIM/UGAkAoNaiTQ/s800/IMG_9381.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    The blue of a bruise, of the spaces between flittering leaves, of a mood.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aKAWHOnA4etto7OtYh2ztBltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7ENR23MiFP4/UHcZlsJwjQI/AAAAAAAAhIk/BDtOfFlDnJA/s800/IMG_9948.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/442M4g4x2PxDH4Z3oWg3oRltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cP7Dmm3Y5lQ/UHcZHrzioHI/AAAAAAAAhGA/xgf-_rLXvLI/s800/IMG_2250.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    The burnt sienna of navajo sandstone, of the spots on a spawning male brookie. Or the top of Fang's head.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aBuxU1GvE1JRMOPJsuSvLhltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hbq3OBaLZog/UHcZA0_CxHI/AAAAAAAAhFQ/NS56GLibkUQ/s800/IMG_2057.jpg" height="561" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ktW8tAzDKwd1E9BrMpSolhltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5SS-QvAFy38/UHcY_dPxAVI/AAAAAAAAhFI/K0f-i9ph25g/s800/IMG_1328.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Mh9NWvcVIulW5bKdU1DQoRltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BiVsiSGXt30/UHcZDLzcTiI/AAAAAAAAhFg/yEEFzio3MrU/s800/IMG_2088.jpg" height="603" width="800" /></a>

    The gold of dormant grasses refracting low angle light. Of the tops of aspen trees seen from above, from a higher ridge. Of Greg's monstrous "day" pack.
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    The red of sangre dripping from skinned knees and elbows, or slain game. Of poison ivy, or cheeks flushed with exertion.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JYkktkBWXEgRZgGXWPRPURltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mabf80SlcvM/UHcZe58jfvI/AAAAAAAAhH4/M-_sHBCBjJc/s800/IMG_9280.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    The green of rainbow trout seen through 6' of gin clear water, of mosses clinging to polished granite, of growth in your riding pack bladder. Of leaves and grasses not yet turned.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mCHdQ_JBmmhm5WAn2v7J_BltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6IPuW4VDozM/UHcZPamSbpI/AAAAAAAAhGo/aXp80WKoOsM/s800/IMG_2594.jpg" height="800" width="535" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sUam2oRlIBuQTAiwa2duvxltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GR_X8uwZ_58/UHcZVwtXs-I/AAAAAAAAhHI/BQcsBGpkq8E/s800/IMG_7544.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

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    The infinite greys of lengthening shadows, silhouettes, cloud bottoms at midday. The grey that means sun-warmed boulders to nap upon.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ccc2mUnHNX3AF6oDHXOZmBltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jzSVzpwXcqo/UHcZkfV3V2I/AAAAAAAAhIc/355Nc96xh-U/s800/IMG_9850.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/t4lGMY1er--XF7pV9sj5nRltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=embedwebsite "><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K3CWydWOUDo/UHcZfzyP8nI/AAAAAAAAhIA/2AIIw_FSS_w/s800/IMG_9315.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5KnQ8PcZxz9ef2b3SRkrHxltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XiT8DMOzV_o/UHcZUnjnsyI/AAAAAAAAhHA/TonYNyO5avw/s800/IMG_7510.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

    The blur of the collective whole as we race to embrace this most alive time of year.
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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OTGzhX38MXB9-kqfttLF5BltJjMXiDiNlir3tmyGpnU?feat=embedwebsite"> <img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XybIPfcbz78/UHcZZ0xqAoI/AAAAAAAAhHY/aDDjWDHAdZc/s800/IMG_7827.jpg" height="537" width="800" /></a>

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