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    Rougher ride tonight...

    Rough ride tonight...
    It was getting a bit dark but I took the Dolo for a ride on some gravel/sand roads I normally don't hit. Would have "washed out" on some of the curves tonight w/all the lose sand from the recent runoff! The tire pressures are good now (more stable temps & hitting the desired "max" at +40F works WAY better than at only +20F! LOTS of volume there to expand & contract! Should have "thunk" that one through a bit!) Anyway, it did pretty good on some seriously steep ascents & descents with washouts, holes, etc. Next I'd like to hit some "sage-brushy" open fields I saw the other night while visiting some friends - the sort of stuff I really want to analyse the whole fat-bike concept for - can I go where I would on a horse? (Yep, I KNOW it'll be slower, etc. - tried a "mixed" ride years ago w/a "typical" mountain bike on some trails w/the wife & daughter on their horses - not very "congruent" - bike way slow uphill & too fast downhill!) Anyway it was a nice "break" after building some garden boxes & I worked up a good sweat. I can hit good speeds on the downhills (gravely, sandy & pavement - lots of "breakup" right now...) and the bike seems responsive enough - no "control" issues. (probably 30~35 MPH max on the steep descents.)

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    Thanks for the technical info - I knew I was "off" a bit but was comparing 1x9 & 1x10 drive-trains w/my current setup. I saw some promising other 3-ring cranks at Free Cycle tonight when I took back the Shimano "Hyperglide" (NOT "Velocitor" - not sure where I came up w/that? Sorry!) w/24/34/44 rings.These had similar, smaller rings - I need to take the bike back to Missoula on the carrier next week (Spring Break! Whee!) and just do the swaps there on their stands. Hopefully it won't push out to far from the frame... :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    ...One thing I do notice with folks just discovering fat biking, is that almost everyone starts out with WAY to much pressure for riding anything but pavement and often they're a little disappointed. I came across a guy w/ a brand new Mukluk on a local trail... was bouncin' all over the place. He said he'd "let them down" to 15psi. He's an experienced cyclist and thought that was "low" pressure. When I told him he needed to get them down into single digits he looked at me like I was nuts. Gauge might help the new comers get there a little quicker. I really like having one to get them up to 20ish for the pavement sections.
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    Why I started this thread for small pressure gauge. The Meiser gauge that I bought works great. I did later pick up a digital SKS gauge but I like the Meiser better.

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    Wet Ride - 27Mar14 - Bitterroot Valley, Montana

    I tried to go where "the deer (but no antelope) play" - was a "no-go" for the sage-brushy/rocky/steep stuff... I ended up staying on roads & an ATV track for the ride. About 45 degrees F. Rainy & sleety ("graupel" here in Missoula...) Tires were at about 16 PSI. Saw a fox, several mule deer, ospreys & hawks. Some Bob-whites... Sunny when I started but the left side of my head was numb by the time I got home - wind from the SW & rainy...
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-1of6-27mar14-.jpgI couldn't make any headway as there were too many rocks hidden in the grass. Also it was real steep here. (I needed a lower gear yet than what I had with the Shimano Magarange (13-34) freewheel and the 28-38-48 front chain-rings.) I was trying to follow the mule-deer & elk trails on this hillside near Iron Cap on the east side of the Bitterroot Valley.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-2of6-27mar14-.jpgLooking South over Iron Cap. About 45 degrees F, windy with mixed rain and sleet ("graupel" here near Missoula, MT). I'm panning left to right in the following pics...
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-3of6-27mar14-.jpgNow looking S, SW over Iron Cap.The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-4of6-27mar14-.jpgLooking west
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-5of6-27mar14-.jpg Now oriented North West... that's the "Big Ditch" at the bottom of the pic. Irrigation system on the East side of the valley - dry this time of year.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-6of6-27mar14-.jpg Looking East toward the Sapphire Mountains... tires for this ride were at 16 PSI. (contributed to my issues on the rocky terrain - wanted to "bounce" off rather than conform & climb over!)
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-ditchrd-27mar14-.jpg Looking East down the Maintenance road along the irrigation ditch (gated road, so no vehicular traffic...)
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-end_of_rd-27mar14-.jpg End of ride. It was too wet to shear any more sheep today - so "played hooky" while the wife was in town w/her mom. Cold, hot & sweaty - all at one time! (My wife asks me "Why is this 'fun?!?'")
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    ...Tires were at about 16 PSI...
    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    ...He said he'd "let them down" to 15psi. He's an experienced cyclist and thought that was "low" pressure. When I told him he needed to get them down into single digits he looked at me like I was nuts...
    And the above was for tires less fat than yours.

    Surly Pugsley 3.7 Deformation Over Obstacle - YouTube

    Now try 12, 10, 8, 6.
    Once you're close, vary it by one lbs., then a half.
    Over time, you'll discover what works best (for that bike, those tires/tubes & your weight) on different terrain.

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    I'm 6'2" and geared up I weigh about 235 lbs. I have found that 10-12 psi works good for hard packed trails and pavement. 5-6 psi for snow, and 8-10 for sand.

    Just my .02...

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    Drive-train gear changes - yet again...

    Thanks, Canoe, for the straight dope on the gearing... for now I've yet to get that measurement on the rear diameter - so I defaulted again to the "29 w/2.3 in. tire" on Sheldon Brown's gear calculator...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-01-crankdtl-29mar14-.jpg Alivio crank w/ 24-34-42 chain rings - 175mm long cranks... KMC chain not a problem on "IG only chain-rings". Chain no longer rubs rear tire but I had to reconfigure my front derailleur setup.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-02-rtsidevw-nwcrank-29mar14-.jpgThe Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-03-dolomitegrratios-29mar14-w-175mm_cranks.jpg New chart from Sheldon Brown's gear calculator. Shows gear inches...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-05-solvedchainrub-29mar14-.jpg No more chain rub at rear tire.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-06-rtsdpdlclrnc-29mar14-.jpg Right side crank clearance at chain stay...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-07-lftsdpdlclrnc-29mar14-.jpg Left side crank clearance at chain stay.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-04-frntdrllrtopvwdtl-29mar14-.jpg View from top of the new front derailleur mounting. (I had to abandon my previous clamp - it snapped as I torqued it down. This is actually my clamp from the initial setup (this is the third iteration...) but I had to drill out the threaded portion to allow passage for a heavier long bolt to allow mounting of the derailleur at the front of the clamp. Thanks to Free Cycle Missoula for the plethora of old parts to allow for prototype fabricating "on the fly"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    Thanks, Canoe, for the straight dope on the gearing..
    No material difference.
    Your charts is giving 20.4 through 93.5 gear inches.
    Stock tire without measuring for weight & PSI, is 20.7 through 94.9 gear inches.

    Your gain ratio changed from 1.81 through 8.1, to 1.55 through 7.09 with the 42/34/24, then the 175 mm crank radius ratio of 2.13 brings that to 1.50 to 6.89.

    Rather different from the stock 37.8 through 75.5.

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    Replaced the stock bottom bracket bearings. They were greased enough to work (and were clean, uncontaminated), but there were air spaces. So not enough grease for good heat conduction (bearing life) nor enough to be completely packed to prevent water from getting into the race.

    I had a spare set of new cups & bearings sitting around for the Beast. They fit the Dolo.
    YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (for under $10). BSA means they're the "English" size. # CR5042 BB-611NW
    (Note that this is dry bearings in a race that you will have to grease. "Sealed" refers to the rubber seal that encompasses the axle shaft.)
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    No surprises. Installed the fixed cup filled with grease, completely filled the races with grease, bearings over the axle, slide the axle in, filled the adjustment cup with grease and fitted it on. Lots of rotating while tightening the cup, until no play in the axle. Prior to reaching that point, lots of turning resistance in the axle. Once the play was gone, the axle turned wonderfully freely. Significantly smoother and freer than the stock bearings & grease. I used a silicone grease.

    I used the same grease to repack the front and rear hub bearings and set their play, (both had the same air voids as the BB, as did the headset, which I also topped up). The front hub still turns slightly rough, likely due to having arrived new with the cups so tight that the front axle would not turn. Rear was smooth; gave the rear wheel a moderate spin and it was still spinning close to the same speed a minute later when I stopped it so I could do something else. Heavy wheel...

    Since the wheel was off, I threw the used MF-HG40 14-34T on too.

    Since it was apart for the BB, doing this at the local bike recycle/DIY shop, I grabbed a used $7 unknown Shimano 22-32-44T ring/crank to try out, using the stock 170mm alloy arm on the left. I ran out of time at the shop, so I don't know if the stock chain will work through the range, nor have I set the derailler up yet.

    UPDATE 2014-07-15: Sealed Bearing Cartridge available now in 100mm square taper.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11325408
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-vp-components-square-taper-100mm-bb-cartridge-vp-bc63.jpg

    As of 2014-08-15
    Quote Originally Posted by VP-USA
    Currently: The BC-63 is available in 11 sizes between 137.5mm and 164mm. They skip every 2-3mm just like 68/73mm shell but nothing even close to the 189mm you are looking for.
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    I did a round-trip to Stevensville & back - 16.2 miles total. Took me right at 1 hour to get there - but I stopped to answer a couple incoming texts, took a detour through a plowed (not freshly plowed though) section of a field & then again through a boggy, mucky section - including a soppy ditch - in my lowest gear this was all a breeze. Ride in was with 12 PSI rear & 10 PSI front- Too soft w/the stock tread as the sidewalls keep trying to "grab" & pull on the steering. In Stevi I inflated to 14 front and rear & had much less rolling resistance, etc. (didn't try any more "off-road" stuff though) & made it home in exactly 48 minutes. (Had a bit of a tail-wind as well) I was a little worried about the newer front crank as it says "IG chain only" & all I could find regarding this is possible "un-scheduled" derailing of the chain. Well, w/my stock chain (KMC) in its skewed line I have to have the inner side of the front derailleur set to keep the chain on the smaller ring as-is. However, under "load" w/the cross-country stuff & couple of severely steep small climbs on the route, everything functioned well - & no more chain rub! (Which had more effect, at slow fat-bike speeds, than I would have thought possible on my ride of a few days previous!) I think I've got things where I want them for now. Thanks again, Canoe, for your input & data. (I like the sealed BB bearing idea!)
    I did get some Vee 8's via UPS today so my next "tests" will be a ride in the "stock" tires followed by another in the new ones to see if I detect any differences... (I suspect I will!?!)

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    I have one as well and with only a few tweaks and painting the rims black...its a damn good bike for the price!!! Not going to worry about dropping it on a rock or falling in a ditch.

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    To, The Norseman, Amen Brother!

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    Has anyone bought a Dolo that lives north of the 49th parallel? I stopped in at Walmart tonight here in Calgary and spoke to the manager to see if they could get them (Dolo and Brutis) brought in. She said she'd have to look into it for me.
    I know some people ordered direct from Pacific but does Walmart have an exclusive on these?
    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGDog View Post
    Has anyone bought a Dolo that lives north of the 49th parallel? ...
    I know some people ordered direct from Pacific...
    As far as we know, Walmart is currently the exclusive source, with a few people managing to order direct from Pacific. If you order from Walmart.com (U.S.) they ship within the States and for free. Order from Pacific, you pay for shipping; this may mean you can pay Pacific to ship it to Canada. You'd have to ask Pacific. (watch out for getting dinged/ransomed for "broker fees" from the shipping company in Canada; as in, an additional $150 in "broker" fees or they don't deliver, plus HST, plus the danger of a "big box" fee...)

    You can purchase online from Walmart.com with a Canadian credit card (they have instructions on how to enter an international billing address; I won't say how, as that may change over time) but you need a U.S. shipping address. From that U.S. shipping address:
    • you'll have to have it re-shipped to Canada (shipping, "broker" fees, etc.), or
    • drive down and pick it up yourself from your U.S. shipping address.

    I purchased online from Walmart.com, had mine shipped "free" to a UPS Store close to the border, drove down to the States, paid the UPS Store $5 USD, drove back into Canada paying HST at the border.
    There was a mysterious $2.97 shipping fee on my Walmart invoice: but I bought around 10:15 a.m. on the first Tuesday, it shipped late afternoon that same day and it arrived around 12:30 noon on that Thursday, so I'm assuming it was an expedited shipping fee. I drove down to the States on the Friday (an hour down, an hour back), assembled Friday evening, out in the snow before midnight Friday...

    Got my Beast the same way last year, only I paid with a Walmart U.S. gift card. Here it is with a 47mm trials rim with a 120 TPI Surly Endo (3.7") on the front.
    I assume you'll recognize the location.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-walgoose-beast-47mm-trials-front-3.7-inch-surly-endomorph-sm.jpg

    Edit: May 14, 2014 Available online from Costco.ca (Canada)
    http://www.costco.ca/Ironhorse%C2%AE...100106109.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11200995
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    anyone try putting quick release skewers on the wheels? i dont even know if this is possible?

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    Actual tire width for Dolo - at 14 PSI...

    OK, my Father-in-law had a set of calipers to get a measurement of the tire width - I'll try mounting the Vee 8's later this week & see what the difference is...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolotirewdth-stock-01apr14-.jpg

    With these old calipers I was able to get an actual dimension on the width of the stock front tire at 14 PSI - the widest point measures at 4 9/16 inches (4.5625") and there is plenty of clearance left on the forks and seat and chain stays - this thing could probably run 5-inch wide tires?!?

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    rotaidalg, you realize that when you write your descriptive text onto the photographs, that text is never available to people when searching...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    As far as we know, Walmart is currently the exclusive source, with a few people managing to order direct from Pacific. If you order from Walmart.com (U.S.) they ship within the States and for free. Order from Pacific, you pay for shipping; this may mean you can pay Pacific to ship it to Canada. You'd have to ask Pacific. (watch out for getting dinged/ransomed for "broker fees" from the shipping company in Canada; as in, an additional $150 in "broker" fees or they don't deliver, plus HST, plus the danger of a "big box" fee...)

    You can purchase online from Walmart.com with a Canadian credit card (they have instructions on how to enter an international billing address; I won't say how, as that may change over time) but you need a U.S. shipping address. From that U.S. shipping address:
    • you'll have to have it re-shipped to Canada (shipping, "broker" fees, etc.), or
    • drive down and pick it up yourself from your U.S. shipping address.

    I purchased online from Walmart.com, had mine shipped "free" to a UPS Store close to the border, drove down to the States, paid the UPS Store $5 USD, drove back into Canada paying HST at the border.
    There was a mysterious $2.97 shipping fee on my Walmart invoice: but I bought around 10:15 a.m. on the first Tuesday, it shipped late afternoon that same day and it arrived around 12:30 noon on that Thursday, so I'm assuming it was an expedited shipping fee. I drove down to the States on the Friday (an hour down, an hour back), assembled Friday evening, out in the snow before midnight Friday...

    Got my Beast the same way last year, only I paid with a Walmart U.S. gift card. Here it is with a 47mm trials rim with a 120 TPI Surly Endo (3.7") on the front.
    I assume you'll recognize the location.

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    Thanks Canoe!
    I was hoping to fore go turning this into an excuse for my wife to go on a shopping trip to Spokane (on sales tax for Albertians) but you have take the good with the bad....plus I might be able to squeeze a track day out of it.
    I do appreciate the insight and the shot of your Beast on Parliament Hill. It's been a long time since I've stood in that spot. Ottawa is a beautiful city.

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    Anyone know if LOU/BUD will fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    rotaidalg, you realize that when you write your descriptive text onto the photographs, that text is never available to people when searching...

    No, sorry, I hadn't thought of that at all. (I usually edit the original .jpegs in "Paint" as screen-shots to save storage space & reduce the file's size - I rename them & add the text to aid me in selecting what I'll post. In future I'll try to add comments to the text of the post vs. on the .jpeg itself... :\

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    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.


    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    ...In future I'll try to add comments to the text of the post vs. on the .jpeg itself... :\
    Why not both? Nice to have the text on the photo so the two parts of the info can't get lost; nice to have the text on the site so it's easier to view and available to be found by a search.

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    [/QUOTE]
    Why not both?... [/QUOTE]

    Done (on some anyway - I have to get back to my school work!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.
    This morning, still in stock. Price up to $349.97.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.



    Why not both? Nice to have the text on the photo so the two parts of the info can't get lost; nice to have the text on the site so it's easier to view and available to be found by a search.
    There, finished editing most everything I've got on this thread... (not sure most of it is worth "finding" anyway!) :\
    But it's done.

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    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores.

    Mongoose 26" Men's 7 Speed Massif Fat Mountain Bike at Blain's Farm & Fleet

    Look @ specs. Says 7 spd, 58lbs
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    New Mission Vee-8 Tires mounted on my 21-speed Mongoose Dolomite - 04Apr14

    Well, here is the Mongoose Dolomite in its "sveldt" (or "svelte"...) configuration... (yea, Riiight!)
    I'm running 14 PSI for now - I noticed these are much more flexible, so I may drop to 12 or 10 PSI as I get more time on them... (what is it w/me and my photo captions! Ignore the double ref to the rear rim on the pic!) :\

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-htcomparo-stock-mssnvee8-04apr14-.jpg

    Here is the rear rim with the Mission Vee-8 tire mounted - compared to the front rim with stock tire still on - there's a difference in height!

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wdthcomparo-mssnvee8-stock-04apr14-.jpg

    Here you can see the difference in the width between the same two...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-mssnvee8-msrdwdth-04apr14-.jpg

    And, finally the actual measured width of the front Mission Vee-8 tire at 14 PSI...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-nwtiresmntd-04apr14-.jpg

    Here is the Dolomite in all its "piggish" glory! Rides smoother with these tires (better sidewall flex) and there is a reduction in the gear-inches ratio with the smaller diameter of these less beefy tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspycho View Post
    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores.

    Mongoose 26" Men's 7 Speed Massif Fat Mountain Bike at Blain's Farm & Fleet

    Look @ specs. Says 7 spd, 58lbs
    I thought the Massif was the 20" version and the Dolomite was the 26" version. The Title says 26" but then down in the description it says the tires are 20 x 4.

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    They have something messed up. The Dolomite is the 26", and the Massif is the 20".

    For that price its hard to say if its a less expensive Dolomite, or an overpriced Massif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspycho View Post
    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores...
    And, ...
    sold out online.
    I bet that was due to your post.

    They also sell the Massif. Nine available. But $274. They've sure got their listings mixed up between those two bikes.

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    In all honesty, I can't be sure if its these new Mission Vee-8 tires or I'm just getting into better shape (both?) but I made it into town the 8 miles the other day at 42 minutes - only 4 minutes longer than I had a few days earlier on my Schwinn Highplains (touring setup - dropped bars, etc.) That was with the Vee-8s. Today I went in (only about 7.2 miles) in a total of 40 minutes (strong cross & head-winds!) & then back in only 36 minutes (now cross & tail-winds!)
    I estimate the Dolomite is about 10% slower than the "skinny-tired" MTB I use for road riding. I'd like to set up the Dolomite with some dropped bars, etc. - currently my torso is just one big wind catcher... :P

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    is there a list of measurements for the cranks,hubs,stem etc anywhere?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    is there a list of measurements for the cranks,hubs,stem etc anywhere? thanks
    Cranks are 170mm turning a 36T x 14T-28T for gear inches of 37.8 to 75.5, stem is 1 1/8" threadless, hubs are 135mm front and 190mm rear, discs are 160mm.

    All sorts, ad hoc throughout.
    You can start here http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11049929

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    Thank you, I did read through some of this thread but not all. Seems there was a lot of bickering early on.

    I just bought my bike and after re lubing and adjusting everything I took it out for a spin. I think I would like to go down on the front chain ring to better suite trail riding and to do so i believe the cranks have to be replaced as well.It looks like the cranks and chain ring are one or riveted together.

    I searched for some 170 square taper cranks but honestly I am a little confused as to what to get. I see mostly on road items or vintage. Theres not much in the way of MTB in square taper. I am also wondering if i will need a bash guard to hold on the chain in the front.

    any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    ...Seems there was a lot of bickering early on....
    I think I would like to go down on the front chain ring to better suite trail riding...
    I searched for some 170 square taper cranks ...
    I am also wondering if i will need a bash guard to hold on the chain in the front.
    There was some nonsense for a while, but it's gone now.

    22-32-42T chainring, manual selection, from a bicycle recycle place
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11100414
    stock Dolo alloy crank matched well.
    Has a bash guard. Rear derailer can let chain flop around by times.

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    latest ride... 08Apr14... +70 degrees F today!

    No classes today - finished the homework & "honey-do" list...
    Rode into Stevi for some shelf support brackets (I don't recommend no-shoulder roads w/wide handle bars!) I survived...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-08apr14-off_moieseln.jpg

    Just south off of Moiese Lane about 5 miles out of Stevensville, MT. Looking west toward Idaho - first day above 70 degrees F since September 2013! Beautiful!

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-08apr14-off_moieseln-sth-.jpg

    On the irrigation ditch maintenance road looking south "up" the Bitterroot Valley toward Hamilton - lots of snow-pack this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    There was some nonsense for a while, but it's gone now.

    22-32-42T chainring, manual selection, from a bicycle recycle place
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11100414
    stock Dolo alloy crank matched well.
    Has a bash guard. Rear derailer can let chain flop around by times.
    I was leaning towards just one chain ring or maybe get one with 3 and just use the inner two and replace third outer one with a bash guard??

    I do not have a bicycle recycle place around me so hopefully i can find one on the net.

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    Ideas for 3-ring crank acquisition... with "no parts available"

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    I was leaning towards just one chain ring or maybe get one with 3 and just use the inner two and replace third outer one with a bash guard??

    I do not have a bicycle recycle place around me so hopefully i can find one on the net.
    Twistedmentality, I have a 3-ring up front and only get onto the largest when using the two smallest sprockets on the freewheel. (13-34 MegaRange)

    If you go to Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator and use the stock rear freewheel (14-28 tooth) & a more typical 28-38-48 crank (on most cheap three-piece cranks of big-box store mountain bikes - check thrift stores & pawnshops? Metal re-cyclers- you could buy an old bike for parts at "scrap" prices!?) run the Gear Calculator (use congruent tire size, i.e. 29x2.3" tire) and compare w/the stock chain-ring (36 tooth) - this will give you some idea of what changes you can expect to see in your set-up. Maybe a Local Bike Shop would have some cheap disgarded parts for you to pick through? Good luck!

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    i plan on making a trip to the local bike store to see what he has. i really want to stick to one chain ring up front i just have to think of a way to keep the chain on. i know downhill bikes and free ride bikes use bash guards and guides but our chain ring is a lot further away from the frame then on those such bikes.

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    Dolomite w/dropped bars - touring - setup... (also on the "Daily Pics" thread)

    OK, I'm settled on 15 PSI w/the new Mission Vee-8 tires. I'll try a ride into Stevensville via Lee Metcalf this afternoon (if it doesn't rain...) & time myself to see what, if any, difference I can discern.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-12apr14-dropbarcockpit-rtfrnt.jpg

    I've installed some old, cheap, steel drop-bars I acquired from Free Cycle Missoula (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-...12465108837550) & (Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation "Free Cycles" Missoula Montana). I then used a base layer of hay-bailing twine covered w/a double layer of inner tube strips as bar-tape (provides a bigger diameter & some weatherproof padding). I side-mounted some old MTB shift-levers (friction vs. indexed) in lieu of bar-end shifters. I also found some cheap double-access brake levers (no issues w/range of motion & the disk brakes...) for a variety of hold positions. This matches my Schwinn High Plain MTB, setup as a "touring" cycle... (see below)

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-12apr14-dropbarcockpit-rrvw.jpg

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-12apr14-dropbarcockpit-frntvw.jpg

    Below is a comparison of the High Plains w/the Mongoose Dolomite. Notice the bar height on the Dolo is a bit higher, the seats are almost identical - though I've 175 MM cranks on the Dolo & only 170's on the Schwinn.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-12apr14-dolo-hghplnscomparo-lftsd.jpg

    We'll see if I can get similar speed out of this Fatbike w/the same wind-bucking ability I can have w/dropped bars on the Schwinn...

    (update: Didn't get to do the ride - wife wanted to go into town w/me AND some really nasty sleet/rain moved in...) Tomorrow?!?
    Last edited by rotaidalg; 04-13-2014 at 12:30 AM. Reason: reinserted pics - added an update...

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    Here is another dolomite I did for a friend today:







    It's strange how inconsistent these bikes are. I have done a few now and this one felt really really nice, like a much higher end bike. Others felt like a walmart bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Here is another dolomite I did for a friend today:







    It's strange how inconsistent these bikes are. I have done a few now and this one felt really really nice, like a much higher end bike. Others felt like a walmart bike.
    That looks great! What method did you use to paint it? Any upgrades or is it all stock?

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    Great!!!....Thanks!!! Already painted my rims black ...Now I`m thinking about painting the frame!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    That looks great! What method did you use to paint it? Any upgrades or is it all stock?
    Bone stock except the paint. I just stripped the frame down, steel woolen the clear coat a bit, and spray bombed it. It has about 4 coats. Time till tell if it hold up...

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    Fantastic! Thanks

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    I think I shall take the Dolo out to some local trails today. 100% stock,we will see how it does,how I do....

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    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    I think I shall take the Dolo out to some local trails today. 100% stock,we will see how it does,how I do....
    My 10 yr old son has been doing fine riding the trails on his stock Dolo. I'm going to install a 14-34 mega range freewheel next week for him though, just so he has an easier gear for the tougher parts.

    I'm going to do the same on my youngest son's Massif since the bike probably weighs almost as much as him.

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    Well I made it out to the trails. They were pretty muddy. This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel. regardless I had a fun time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    ... This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel...
    Yup.
    Stock, it's only 37.8 to 75.5 gear inches. Cruiser range.

    A 14-34T freewheel will take it to 31.1 to 75.5.
    13-34T is 31.1 to 81.3.

    Stock is 36T on the front.
    32T with the 14-34T freewheel will take that down to 27.6 to 67.1.
    With the 13-34T freewheel, the 67.1 goes to 72.3.

    The 11-34T freewheel is elusive, but with 32T in front would make from 27.6 to 85.5.

    It's easy to do your own math. Use 29.375" for the diameter, or 373.06mm for the radius. Or measure with your tire & pressure with you on it from the flat ground to the center of the axle, x2 for the diameter.

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    How low can you go?

    Most of the fatbikes offered by other companies are running a 22 or 23 for the small gear up front with a 11-34 out back.

    I put a three gear crank with a 23 low gear on my Beast and the shimano mega 34 on back. No derailer up front and the chain has never (in 500+ miles) fell off.

    Since the thaw I have been riding on the "beach". Think lots of mushy sand/weeds/muck/sticks. It has been truly amazing what was able to be gone through. By amazing - think "holy s**t" nobody could ride a bike through that! But the Beast did it - granny gear can do!
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    i have a wally single speed cruiser parts bike in my basement. im gonna see whats on it for a front chain ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    With 14-34T on a stock Dolo, that'll give me 31.1 through 75.5 gear inches.

    With a 22T/32T front, I can get that to 19.0 G.I. through 67.1 G.I..
    Make it a triple to 42T and it's up to 88.1.
    That 19 is pretty nice for grassy hills too.

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    My beast is 15.2 gear inches in the lowest gear. It will climb nearly anything. 22t front sprocket, 42t rear cog.

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    OK, I did my test ride yesterday (Sunday) the 8.1 miles to the store to turn in a video. With the new drop bars & a wicked wind (tail in & head wind back) my times were 36 minutes there & 42 minutes back for a "split" time of 39 minutes... That's about what I can get on my Schwinn High Plains. I'm running 15 PSI front & rear on the Mission Vee-8's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    My 10 yr old son has been doing fine riding the trails on his stock Dolo. I'm going to install a 14-34 mega range freewheel next week for him though, just so he has an easier gear for the tougher parts.

    I'm going to do the same on my youngest son's Massif since the bike probably weighs almost as much as him.

    How does the Dolo fit your son. I'm thinking my daughters need fatbikes and this is about the only way I can afford to buy two extras.

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    I present: How To Crash A Dolomite (without getting hurt)


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    Quote Originally Posted by tradera View Post
    How does the Dolo fit your son. I'm thinking my daughters need fatbikes and this is about the only way I can afford to buy two extras.
    The seat is all the way down and rotated the handlebars so they sweep in towards the rider (instead of sweeping up - due to his size). He handles it fine and he won't outgrow it (I got tired of buying kids bikes every few years). We trail ride every weekend and he dusts his other brother and sister with it. He's really rough on his stuff, so the dolo is a good bike for him to beat around.

    As for the boy vs. girl thing (as it relates to the weight of the bike). His 13yr old sister has no problems riding it either (after moving the seat up to fit her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    Well I made it out to the trails. They were pretty muddy. This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel. regardless I had a fun time.

    Really? 1st gear isn't low enough? thoughts on how to fix that? I'd do a lot of beach riding into the wind and it's sometimes soft sand, a low gear is important to me. Changing out the front chain ring is possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidennis View Post
    Really? 1st gear isn't low enough? thoughts on how to fix that? I'd do a lot of beach riding into the wind and it's sometimes soft sand, a low gear is important to me. Changing out the front chain ring is possible?

    i am replacing my rear freewheel with a magarange freewheel. it has a larger granny gear then stock.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002OK...&robot_redir=1


    changing the front chain ring is not possible with out changing the cranks. the stock chain ring is not removable from the cranks. if you do change out the whole crank you want a 170 mm crank with a smaller then 36t (stock chain ring) chain ring.

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    Yes, that is the one. I bought one for a Massif.
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    The 14-34T or the 13-34T.
    Go back a page or two and read.

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    Well i put on the new tires(vee rubber v8's) and the megarange freewheel today. The derailleur was a pia to adjust but i got it working. does the chain look like its to short or do i have the B screw out of whack or is it because its in the mega ranger cog??




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    The chain is too short

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    Your LBS will have some spare chain for you. As for the front cranks - change them out.

    There are lots of used cranks for sale on ebay.

    And new ones can be had fairly cheap. For where these bikes will ride - go low or go home.
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    So what is the recommended chainring if going with new cranks? 32T?

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    I went to the local bike shop and bought a larger chain,a used clicker thumb shifter, some new cables and grips.

    mods are happening.

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    new here, just got a dolomite, watching everyones progress,
    I have a new cassette here wanting to install, I see it takes a longer chain, I am 70 miles from a bike shop, what chain can I order off ebay,
    I don't like the grip shifters, what to change to,
    thanks

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    i just put this shifter on mine. its an alivio. much better then stock. sorry for the crappy cell phone pic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    The 14-34T or the 13-34T.
    Go back a page or two and read.
    I was hoping you could give me some advice as i dont know much about building bicycles. I just bought a dolomite and took it to my lbs for some upgrades because i hated the gears and shifter. The guy said he could replace the 7 speed cassette for a 9 speed one and put on a deore derailer and new trigger shifters because the twist one was terrible. I also asked if he could replace the front single sprocket with a new one that has even more gears but he said its not possible. I saw on here that you might have figured out a way to do this with new cranks also.

    Can you specifically link me to the parts I need so I can show they guy at my lbs? I also have vee mission 120 tpi folding tires and was wondering if you think I should drill out my stock rims or just buy some lightweight tubes. Also im new to bicycling so I dont understand all the tech talk, jargon and numbers such as what I have quoted in the top of this post. Laymans terms please. thanks for your time.

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    Misterdolo - first off, the person you spoke to at your local shop doesn't realize what the parts on your bike are. It doesn't have a cassette. It has a freewheel. So going to 9 speed is not easily done.

    You can get a Megarange freewheel for less than $20 and some trigger shifters for not much more. If you want a Multi gear crank, there are options, but do the new freewheel first and see if that's good enough for the riding you are doing.

    As far as the tubes vs drilling. That depends on how much weight you want to remove from the bike. Tubes are easy, drilling is pretty easy too, but time consuming.

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    This is the hub I put on my modified Beast - bought from a LBS though - for the same price.

    Amazon.com : Shimano 7 Speed Freewheel, 14-34, MegaRange : Bike Cassettes And Freewheels : Sports & Outdoors

    I am very happy with the low gear. But if I were to do it again, I would have bought one with out the big jump from the lowest gear to the next lowest gear. This sometimes makes for a hard shift. One more like this perhaps ---

    Amazon.com: Sunrace Freewheel 8 Speed 13-34 Teeth: Sports & Outdoors

    I would agree too, that you should change out the back first and see how it goes. The only time you will most likely need more high gears is when and if you are trying to go fast. Or if you plan on doing a lot of riding on paved trails with higher air pressures.

    You will also need to lengthen your chain to accommodate the larger gear.
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    MisterDolo, I didnt drill my rims or go to a lighter tube. I used the stock tube with Vee Rubber V8's and i noticed a difference on how much easier it rolled.

    Drilling holes is an option to lose even more rotating weight (the best weight to shave off) but i felt in my case it was better to have a stronger wheel. I am not sure how much weaker drilling makes the wheels but I am sure it does to some extent.

    Do one upgrade/mod at a time so y9ou can see what changes it makes to the bike.

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    MisterDolo, pretty much what they said.
    • get it lubed!!!: front hub, rear hub (when you change the freewheel) and the headset.
    • Get the brakes adjusted.
    • Get the bottom bracket bearing upgraded to YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (part cost under $10).( http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11100414) and make sure it's filled with grease (no air pockets in the bearing race for water to get into).
    • Note that the front & rear hubs, headset and bottom bracket need to be properly adjusted when they're greased. It's not simply disassemble, squirt grease, reassemble.
    • Note that the trigger shifter is a 7 speed Shimano type shifter.
    • Get that 7-speed 14-34T freewheel (or the 13-34T version). New, it's available for under $10 if you look around.
    • Check your tire pressure. Make sure it's correct for the terrain you're on. With fat tires, expect to change your tire pressure to match different terrain.
    • You're getting or already have 120 tpi tires, which is a huge improvement. Loose the stock tubes. It's not the weight as much as the stock tubes are hard to roll. Let your 120 tpi tires do their best with an appropriate tube, otherwise you're using them crippled.

    After the above is done, and you've spend some days riding the bike
    • if you find the Dolo is still hard to pedal, then you look to changing the front. The stock front is 36T (teeth/tooth). You can get a double or triple front (22-32-42T), but then only use the 22T or 32T, by stopping and changing the chain over by hand when you're riding on the flat vs. on hills. If you find you want to switch a lot, then you look into adding the appropriate hardware to do that job.
    • The last thing you'll want to consider is drilling the rims. It can be a cool thing to do, if you've got an idea for rim tape that will show through the holes. If you need to lose that miniscule weight for the type of riding you do, then you've got the wrong bike to start with. Provided the drilling is done correctly, and you're not a Clydesdale (heavy weight), the rim is a tiny bit weaker but that doesn't matter. If that trivial amount matters, you may have got the wrong bike for the type of riding you're attempting with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantTrek View Post
    ... I would have bought one with out the big jump from the lowest gear to the next lowest gear. This sometimes makes for a hard shift. One more like this perhaps
    Sunrace Freewheel 8 Speed 13-34 Teeth: Sports & Outdoors
    ...
    Having the 28T in there would be nice, but I don't know how easy it would be to go from a 7 speed freewheel to a 8 speed freewheel on the Dolo. There may not be enough space for the stack height.
    I also read somewhere that there is some concern with the strength of an 8 speed freewheel, compared to the 7 speed. Can't recall what it was specifically (bent axles?, leverage on the axle or some such thing?).

    The 7 speed 14-34T/13-34T freewheel can use the stock derailer & shifters, or upgraded parts.

    The progression of 14-16-18-20-22-24-34T is a little much at the end. Something like the 7 speed cassettes would be nice (13-15-17-20-24-29-34T). I wonder if one could do a custom 7 speed stack, drop the 22, add the 28, for 14-16-18-20-24-28-34T.

    Perhaps a better place to start would be with the 7 speed 13-15-17-19-21-24-28T, and restack it to 13-15-17-20-24-28-34T. The 13- uses a triple diameter freewheel body whereas the 14- uses a dual diameter one.

    Customizing Shimano 7 Speed Freewheels | Harris Cyclery

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    Thanks for the link to the Harris page. Ive been thinking of making up a freewheel for my boys Massif. I wonder if the wife will miss her megarange freewheel, or if I'm better off just buying one....

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    Modifying a Freewheel:

    Many Massif and Dolomite owners want to put an easier gear on their bikes. This is easily done by swapping on a Megarange freewheel. The problem with the megarange freewheel is that is has a big, 10 tooth, jump between the 2 largest cogs.

    On my 6 year olds Massif, this jump was way to big, so I set off to make the steps between cogs smaller, this is how I did it:

    First off here is a picture of the stock Massif freewheel, and the Megarange freewheel that I bought from my LBS.




    Here is a picture of the megarange freewheel I took off of my wifes bike:




    Notice that the 2 megarange freewheels have the same size cogs on them, but they are very different:

    NEW:



    OLD



    The new style megarange freewheels will not work for this modification because the 3 largest cogs are pinned together and cannot be easily taken apart. And if they are taken apart, the 34 doesnt have splines.




    So make sure that the megarange freewheel you have doesnt have the pinned larger cogs.

    Here is the breakdown of the 3 freewheels:

    Stock Massif (and probably Dolomite)
    28, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14



    NEW Megarange:

    34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14




    OLD megarange:

    34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14





    HOW TO DISSASSEMBLE:

    Its pretty easy to do with common tools.

    Screw the freewheel to a block of wood using the teeth to hold the freewheel in place. Using a screwdriver, or a punch, and a hammer, tap the lockring to unscrew it.





    THE MODIFIED FREEWHEEL:

    once you have a pile of cogs and spacers, time to reassemble it. I used as many of the Shimano parts as possible and here is the result:

    34, 28, 24, 20, 18, 16, 14

    putting the 28t between the 34 and 24 is the best way to go:






    Let me know if I need to explain any of this more. Hopefully this helped...

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    Colour is nice.
    Paint run just to right of center in the photo (top of down tube, very close to head tube, tucked in under the top tube). Otherwise, the paint is done nicely.

    Attachment 876133
    That's called candy paint drippin...

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    Does the Massif have a Falcon freewheel from the factory?

    Was wondering how compatible the cogs from Shimano and Falcon were

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    Do you have any pics of the freewheel bodies that show the splines?

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    The DOLOMITE in the Wild

    couple pics of my gateway bike

    swapped tires/tubes , drilled the rims, added a take off crank (22/32), ebayed direct mount derailleur/thumb shifter/PS adapter, and found some red flare.





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    Here is the NEW Megarange.



    Here is the Massif: It is a Falcon



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    Here are some spline comparisons:

    Shimano is the shiny cog, falcon the other:



    Stacked up:







    The splines are slightly different, but still seem to work together fine. I filed the 28t a tiny bit before I really looked at it. I didn't include it in the writeup, because where I filed it made no difference to the fit once I actually looked at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Modifying a Freewheel:
    Notice that the 2 megarange freewheels have the same size cogs on them, but they are very different:

    NEW: 34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14
    The new style megarange freewheels will not work for this modification because the 3 largest cogs are pinned together and cannot be easily taken apart. And if they are taken apart, the 34 doesnt have splines.



    boy you move fast

    And it's a good job you do. Important to know about that pinned megarange. You've probably saved a lot of folk from getting a pinned megarange freewheel that can't have a 28T swapped in.

    If you had both megarange freewheels (13-xxT and 14-xxT) sitting in front of you (I've got a both to 34T), would you go with:
    • the 14-xxT for 14-16-18-20-24-28-34T, or
    • the 13-xxT for 13-15-17-20-24-28-34T?

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    It probably really doesn't matter too much. If it was my bike, I would use the 13t because I would want the slightly higher top speed. But if it was for my boy, or someone who doesn't really ride too fast and stays in the lower gears, I would go with the 14 because of the slightly closer ratios.


    I ended up putting the pinned freewheel on my wife's bike. She will never need to modify it and probably won't ever know I even took the wheel off if it.

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    That is what I like about this bike, people aren't afraid to try changing it and making it their own.

    wonder if the 11-34T freewheel is pinned or not, will find out when I receive the one I have on order

    Looking at the pinned freewheel reminds me of this item I saw on ebay.

    Suntour Winner Pro TA 8V 11 38 Freewheel 4 Schwinn Tandem Drum Brake | eBay

    It added a 38 chainring to the back of a 7-speed freewheel, making it a 8-speed only works for specific Drum Brake hubs though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    MisterDolo, pretty much what they said.
    • get it lubed!!!: front hub, rear hub (when you change the freewheel) and the headset.
    • Get the brakes adjusted.
    • Get the bottom bracket bearing upgraded to YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (part cost under $10).( http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11100414) and make sure it's filled with grease (no air pockets in the bearing race for water to get into).
    • Note that the front & rear hubs, headset and bottom bracket need to be properly adjusted when they're greased. It's not simply disassemble, squirt grease, reassemble.
    • Note that the trigger shifter is a 7 speed Shimano type shifter.
    • Get that 7-speed 14-34T freewheel (or the 13-34T version). New, it's available for under $10 if you look around.
    • Check your tire pressure. Make sure it's correct for the terrain you're on. With fat tires, expect to change your tire pressure to match different terrain.
    • You're getting or already have 120 tpi tires, which is a huge improvement. Loose the stock tubes. It's not the weight as much as the stock tubes are hard to roll. Let your 120 tpi tires do their best with an appropriate tube, otherwise you're using them crippled.

    After the above is done, and you've spend some days riding the bike
    • if you find the Dolo is still hard to pedal, then you look to changing the front. The stock front is 36T (teeth/tooth). You can get a double or triple front (22-32-42T), but then only use the 22T or 32T, by stopping and changing the chain over by hand when you're riding on the flat vs. on hills. If you find you want to switch a lot, then you look into adding the appropriate hardware to do that job.
    • The last thing you'll want to consider is drilling the rims. It can be a cool thing to do, if you've got an idea for rim tape that will show through the holes. If you need to lose that miniscule weight for the type of riding you do, then you've got the wrong bike to start with. Provided the drilling is done correctly, and you're not a Clydesdale (heavy weight), the rim is a tiny bit weaker but that doesn't matter. If that trivial amount matters, you may have got the wrong bike for the type of riding you're attempting with it.
    I dropped my bike off 2 weeks ago at my lbs and asked for new bars, shifters, derailler, chain, pedals and maybe brakes. After assuring me he could upgrade everything i asked including the casette which you pointed out would need to be a freewheel. I told him this and this is our email convo. read the last one from him WTF?!



    Apr 10
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    Hey this is the guy who brought in the fat bike today. I was wondering if you could grease the headset and cranks and axles and all that stuff because apparently those things ship with barely any grease on the bearings. I basically just want you to go through the whole bike and make sure it's as good as it can possibly be for what it is and I realize it's not going to be anything incredible. Also, true the wheels if you can. Let me know if you have any questions.
    Thanks



    Apr 11


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    Will check it and you want the 9spd freewheel derailleur and trigger shifters along with a nicer seat and bar, correct and red pedals.


    Sent from my iPhone


    Apr 11
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    Yes to all you mentioned and maybe a new chain as well. Also please
    make sure the bottom bracket is greased. Can I get colored cables on
    it? Maybe red to match the pedals and wheels. Thanks





    Apr 11


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    I’ll check it out.






    Apr 12 (13 days ago)
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    Hey bud,
    Can you send me a list of parts you are installing? Also, i ordered new tires but am still shopping for tubes. Ill bring them in when i get to land if they have arrived by then. Thanks!


    Apr 21 (4 days ago)
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    So whats the damage gonna be?





    Apr 24 (1 day ago)


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    9spd Freewheel was what I explained when you dropped it off would be needed, not a cassette. Bar comes in tomorrow, brakes are quite inadequate right now will evaluate them again and see if they need an upgrade for stopping power.


    Apr 24 (1 day ago)
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    Yeah i know nothing about bikes. Thanks again bro.



    Apr 24 (1 day ago)


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    No problem




    4:19 PM (6 hours ago)


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    Please come pick up your bike. Grips, bar/stem, pedals complete. Nothing else will be done, the bike is not designed for upgrades.




    What the actual ****? This is a legit bike shop that carries all kinds of italian racing jobs and such. I don't know how to do these upgrades on my own. What should I tell this guy?
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    What did you expect?! Your lbs was100% correct when they said the bike wasn't designed for upgrades. The things that others have accomplished with it amount to turd polishing and are arguably not worth the time, effort and expense for the results. There's a reason that the Dolomite is $350 and a fat bike at a b local bike shop is $1500 and up.

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    The real answer is that they just don't want mess with it. Shops with all sorts of high end bikes have a different outlook towards cheaper bikes. Nothing against them, it's just the way it is.

    Your best bet it to take it to another shop.

    As far as polishing a turn goes; it's your turd, polishing it if you like. I've polished 2 so far and I have no regrets.

    There is no reason that this bike couldn't be upgraded, it's your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    most uncool giving personal information on the net especially from a PRIVATE message
    your name is not listed. edit your post to remove the other persons name
    Get that done.
    Name and contact info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
    ...What should I tell this guy?
    You should tell him Thank You!
    By not going ahead, he saved you a lot of money. Going to a 9 speed on a Dolo could get iffy fast. I'm sure they wouldn't want the liability.

    See the list of what to do. Do it or get it done.

    Are there any bike co-ops near you? Once someone shows you how, none of what is on the top part of that list is hard.

    Later, if necessary for the riding you do, then you go for:
    Quote Originally Posted by oops View Post
    You need to do some more reading so you understand what you're asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    most uncool giving personal information on the net especially from a PRIVATE message

    your name is not listed. edit your post to remove the other persons name

    Edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Get that done.
    Name and contact info.
    Done.

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    UPDATE :
    I deleted his info as requested. Sorry about that, I was just carried away with the whole thing. Here is his new response after I sent him the suggestions I was given:

    "None of the parts are under $10, were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust, wheels are wopped, rotors bent, it is produced in China, and not built correctly , or with quality parts. It's hi-tensile stamped steel, fork is was not milled straight or correct."

    So basically this is an unrideable bike? You guys all probably think im a complete dolt but listen, i work offshore and am home maybe 5 days a month and those days arent even consecutive. I dont have time to learn how to fix, find parts, and perform upgrades on a bike. I just really liked the way the dolo looked and wanted it for some local single track. my last bike was a gt avalanche 3.0 that i had upgraded the same way including handbuilt wheels that I LOVED. Only sold it for a plane ticket that I couldnt fund any other way. Anyway, rant over. I just wanted a fun, cheap fatbike that I could throw a few bucks at along the way to make it a weekend fun machine. I obviously am doing it wrong and will just save for a Krampus. Thanks for all the input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
    ... "None of the parts are under $10, were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust, wheels are wopped, rotors bent, it is produced in China, and not built correctly , or with quality parts. It's hi-tensile stamped steel, fork is was not milled straight or correct."
    None of the parts he was going to sell you were under $10. An LBS can't stay in business and sell you the under $10 parts for under $10; they need to have a markup.
    My first hand personal experience: the megarange and the YST bottom bracket cup & bearings are available under $10. Better parts can cost a lot more.

    "Wheels are wopped"? My wheels were not warped, but tensioned properly and set & stress released (so they're still not warped). Rotors were and are straight, my fork is straight. Yours could very well be as they say, it is a department store bike, but it would be the first that I've heard of for the Dolo. If it is, it should be addressed under warranty. The surprise with the Dolo, while using some rather cheap parts, is that it didn't have the usual department store bike problems, other than an over tightened front hub bearing.

    Odd with the rotors that the LBS didn't sell you to upgrade to a set of BB7s with rotors. Could be the fork is defective and they just wanted out of any liability.

    Not sure what is meant by "were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust" (do they mean "would not disassemble" or "we did not disassemble"?), but I had to loosen off both hubs and the headset to access the bearings to grease them, and grease the new cup & bearing bottom bracket set as part of installation, then when (re)assembled - for each - adjust their tension so the bearing would function properly. A bike shop would be extremely familiar with this, and much more experienced at it than I. You've definitely got some miscommunication happening.

    It does sound like you need a bike that is much closer to the way you want "off the shelf". Do find a LBS experienced with Fat Bikes.

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    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite

    I don't know, it sounds like he was hounding the lbs and expected parts to be "under $10" for a bike he didn't buy there, and they just got tired of it.

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    Small update on the Megarange freewheel mod:

    I installed it on my boys Massif and it works great.



    The only issue was that the derailer cage touches the rim when in the lowest gear. This was easily solved by trimming the corner of the cage off with a pair of side cutters. The metal cuts very easily.

    NOTE: this is not an issue with the Dolomite. Only the Massif due to it's smaller wheels.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    I don't know, it sounds like he was hounding the lbs and expected parts to be "under $10" for a bike he didn't buy there, and they just got tired of it.
    Ok you are way off base here, this is advice given to me by another member. I never hounded him or asked for discount priced parts. I told him verbatim what I was told here. I NEVER expected anything to cost 10 dollars except maybe grips or something.

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    List of problems with my dolo as noted by lbs:

    New Update, he just sent me this. Should I get my money back from walmart?

    to have to take this unit, upgrade it, and then dissemble the entire unit to correct manufacturing defects shouldn’t have to be performed if it were built well.

    On your Mongoose Dolomite here is what we have found:




    Rotors were warped (front & back)
    Rear wheel is improperly dished and therefore has a hop
    Both Wheels are out of true, but are not a strong double wall rim
    Rear stamped dropout on the drivetrain side was bent ad out of alignment
    Both front fork dropouts are bent
    Brake Rotors were improperly assembled and aligned
    Headset bearings (top & bottom) were dry and void of grease
    9spd freewheel will not fit, frame was not designed for a 9spd freewheel
    Tires may not be perfectly round or symmetrical
    Forums dedicated to taking this bike and upgrading the unit; I can’t comment on, or what people may/will do with this specific bicycle.



    We receive phone calls almost daily with regards to Big-Box Bicycles: Wal-Mart, Academy, or K-Mart. It ranges from people that have just purchased them, several days old, or 1-2 weeks old with derailleurs snapping, and chains breaking. Almost every call refers to a warped wheel/rim or both wheels being warped. The wheels tend to be a single wall construction, with very poor weld points, often times causing a tube to puncture due to metal edges on improper weld spots.


    Some units are worse than others, but each unit we have seen have had wheel issues, and shifting issues as a minimum. Often times, the new wheels equals the cost of the bicycle, or 1/2 of its purchase price, and we instruct them to return the unit and exchange for another unit, rather than pay to replace a defective part.




    So what should I do? Scrap it?
    and again, thank you for the advice!
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    Do you have a local walmart that you can return it too? You may be better off finding a nice used higher end fatbike. Most of us who mod these bikes do the work ourselves. Having to pay shop labor adds a lot of expense.

    Let's just say for argument that you were going to spend roughly $400 in upgrades. Combine that with the $350 purchase price and you have spent more that a bikes direct fatbike. Don't get me wrong, I have had a lot of fun with the mongoose fat bikes, but there is a limit to what makes sense. Especially if you have one that is worse than average. Bent forks are a concern...


    These bikes are not very consistent. I built 2 Dolomites for my buddies boys. One of them rides REALLY nice, the other just ok.

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    We can't tell what's wrong with your bike. You have the opinion of the LBS.
    You likely need to find someone to give you a second opinion on the condition of the bike, be it for returning to walmart, or warranty repair or replacement or to know its true condition for selling locally.

    To have a department store bike with those defects is all too common, as your LBS will be very well aware. To have a Dolo with all those defects, apart form extreme shipping damage, this is a first. The lack of grease is common, hence the advice to get everything greased. The front hub or others not be torqued correctly is known to occur, hence those things get corrected as part of the adjustment necessary after greasing. I've built a few wheels, so I'm now 'pickier than thou", but both of my Dolo's wheels came perfectly trued and have stayed that way so I have no excuse to play with them. Although from reports it would be a real anomaly for a Dolo, it is possible for the wheels to be exactly as the LBS says.

    > Should I get my money back from walmart?
    You can try. But you've modified the bike, and it's been out of your control, so Walmart/Pacific will want to know when did the defects occur: during manufacture, shipping, assembly, at the LBS...
    You might put the original parts back on it, and return it to your local walmart for a refund, simply citing the defects (but not things like "doesn't fit a 9 speed freewheel"). Don't complicate things by mentioning the LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    ... Let's just say for argument that you were going to spend roughly $400 in upgrades. Combine that with the $350 purchase price and you have spent more that a bikes direct fatbike. Don't get me wrong, I have had a lot of fun with the mongoose fat bikes, but there is a limit to what makes sense. Especially if you have one that is worse than average. Bent forks are a concern...
    +1000 on this advice
    One's needs have to match this bike stock (and with a few basics like greasing, by you, friend or an LBS) or with a few user upgrades like a different 7 speed freewheel, etc., or else the Dolo just is not the bike for you. Some limited upgrading is fun, if you know how and want to do the work yourself you can do it economically, otherwise economically it just doesn't make sense. If you want a lot of upgrades, there are better places to start from. Combine upgrading with not knowing much about bikes, that just isn't going to work for you.

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    To the above trying to get his dolo upgraded..
    I like that you are trying to upgrade your bike and make it your own, but your expectations dont seem reasonable.
    You should consider yourself lucky that the lbs did not perform everything you asked, because you would have spent a fortune.
    This Mongoose s a cool entry to fat bikes for people that will ride as is, or upgrade themselve from a parts bin. I recommend you look for a used Pugsley or something similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    the Megarange freewheel mod
    sure looks a lot more reasonable

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    Dolomite Gear Inches

    I got curious about how to easily compare the various gear inch numbers I was calculating for the various chain-ring/freewheel combos.
    So I charted the stock freewheel with the stock ring of 36T, then for 34T, 32T, 30T & 28T.
    Then I added various 7 speed freewheels, including custom gear stacks, for the stock ring of 36T and a selection of 22T, 32T and 42T.

    From the chart, you can see the improvement for either a 14-34T or a 13-34T 7-speed freewheel with the stock 36T or a 32T front. A meaningful improvement for the least work/cost.

    You can also see the easier progression of the freewheel custom stacks, where a 28 is added to the xx-34T. Also shown, is subbing a 21 for the 20 on the 14-34T custom, or a 20 for the 19 on the 13-34T custom; makes for a smoother range, so if you've got the parts...

    (now to see if it will load the chart...)

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    Well, the upload made it a little fuzzy, but at least it's readable.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolo-gear-inches-various-cranks-freewheels-sm.jpg

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    Thanks to all for the advice about my bike. Walmart has agreed to take it as a return so I will just put the original parts back on and save for a better bike. Oh well, I tried. Again thank you.

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    Good news!

    For the money you paid for the Dolo, and the cost of the upgrades that you're fortunate the LBS didn't go ahead and do, you're awfully close to the low end of a "real" fat bike. One that likely already has one of everything you want, with perhaps swapping in a favorite bar or pedals down the road. There are even choices under $1,000, and a few options surprisingly near $500.

    DO do some reading here on the forum well before you purchase so you understand what you will be getting. There are some threads covering bikes in the range you'd be looking. With some reading, you'll be able to understand what you can reasonably expect before you spend any money.

    DO find an LBS who is already familiar with Fat Bikes.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/mot...875900-74.html
    Save Up To 60% Off Fat Bikes and Fat Mountain Bicycles from bikesdirect.com FREE Ship 48 States
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/bud...ns-901539.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/bat...es-904837.html

    Do some searching, do some reading.

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    Also shop around to your LBS shops. Some are fantastic, some not so much. Some are there because they love bikes.

    Some are there because they sell fancy polo shirts, and when you walk into their stores they seem to size you up based on the thickness of your wallet. If your not a cardiac surgeon they have no time for you.
    I like bikes, and turtles. Well... mostly turtles. But bikes are cool also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Good news!

    For the money you paid for the Dolo, and the cost of the upgrades that you're fortunate the LBS didn't go ahead and do, you're awfully close to the low end of a "real" fat bike. One that likely already has one of everything you want, with perhaps swapping in a favorite bar or pedals down the road. There are even choices under $1,000, and a few options surprisingly near $500.

    DO do some reading here on the forum well before you purchase so you understand what you will be getting. There are some threads covering bikes in the range you'd be looking. With some reading, you'll be able to understand what you can reasonably expect before you spend any money.

    DO find an LBS who is already familiar with Fat Bikes.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/mot...875900-74.html
    Save Up To 60% Off Fat Bikes and Fat Mountain Bicycles from bikesdirect.com FREE Ship 48 States
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/bud...ns-901539.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/bat...es-904837.html

    Do some searching, do some reading.
    He ended up charging me $160 for Grips, bar/stem, and red platform pedals. ahhh I love bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
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    ... the cost of the upgrades that you're fortunate the LBS didn't go ahead and do...
    He ended up charging me $160 for Grips, bar/stem, and red platform pedals. ahhh I love bikes.
    Parts cost and the time of someone who knows what they're doing.
    If we want the LBS to be around when you need them, expect to pay them enough that they can stay in business, and hopefully make a living wage.

    Now imagine what the charge would be for a 9 speed rear, including a new hub that fits it (along with new spokes (they don't know the stock spokes so would be unlikely to roll them if they're long enough)), new derailer and a new shifter. Then for reliability and no service problems, new cables that they know. New brakes are straight forward, and they'd likely recommend new levers too (and their cables).

    Now you start to see the benefit of something "off the shelf" that has one of everything you want.

    While not as nice as a 9 speed rear, now you see why those of us with Dolos like that we can swap in a $10 to $15 7 speed freewheel with a greater range, a compatible shifter for $15, or a great bearing for the bottom bracket that's <$10. For those of us who like to tinker, have limited funds, or want to see how much can be done for as little cost as possible, it can be done. Just don't expect it to perform like a "real" fat bike (nor be safe for all of the same rides/conditions), nor experience the joy of riding a bike with great quality components. But you do get the Fat Fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
    He ended up charging me $160 for Grips, bar/stem, and red platform pedals. ahhh I love bikes.
    At least these are parts that will probably work on the next bike too.

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    Dolomite available online at Walmart, currently $349.97.

    Farm & Fleet has them back in stock again, $249.99 plus shipping.
    Mongoose 26" Men's 7 Speed Dolomite Fat Tire Bike at Blain's Farm & Fleet

    Also, Mongoose Men's Dolomite on Amazon, new, four sellers: $594.99, $600.00, $626.88 and $1,399.88.

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    $1400 for a dolomite!! WOW!

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    Hello everybody. I tripped across this thread and registered. I've been mountain biking for a few years now. I just bought a Dolomite after seeing a picture of one. I picked it up at Academy for $250 - this thing is a bargain IMO. I spent the weekend riding it up and down the beach. Tonight I mount a better seat (OUCH!) and tear it down for the post-beach cleanup. I can't wait to hit the trails with it this weekend.

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    What's up guys I also run in too this and I wanted at first to buy the beast but after some resource I wanted to get the dolomite it jest looked and had better upgrade from the beast so I looked online and found the lowest price and shipped to Cali and must say I'm very happy and looks dope but the seat was killing me lol I upgrade that quick lol and may do some mods but I wanted to ask you guys do you know we're I can find fenders for these bad boy or what other mods would you recommend and thanks in advance well talk soon I well post the link here hope this helps someone same money late.

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    holy run-on sentence Batman! Punctuation is your friend!

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    Stumbled upon the Dolomite on accident looking for 4 bikes for my family last weekend. Bought the wife and kids bikes and ordered a Dolo from blains. I'm very happy a fat bike exists at this price point. Ive got plenty of other hobbies(restoring an FJ40) that require my pocketbook.

    Bike comes tomorrow. I stopped down at my lbs and bought the Mega Range freewheel and rapid fire shifter. looking forward to hitting the trails this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betos View Post
    What's up guys I also run in too this and I wanted at first to buy the beast but after some resource I wanted to get the dolomite it jest looked and had better upgrade from the beast so I looked online and found the lowest price and shipped to Cali and must say I'm very happy and looks dope but the seat was killing me lol I upgrade that quick lol and may do some mods but I wanted to ask you guys do you know we're I can find fenders for these bad boy or what other mods would you recommend and thanks in advance well talk soon I well post the link here hope this helps someone same money late.

    Academy - Mongoose® Men's Dolomite 26" 7-Speed Fat Tire Bicycle
    Thanks mucho for the heads up. Ordered one, stay tuned for mods.
    Last edited by Babe; 05-14-2014 at 04:40 AM.

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    Looks like "Academy" wants to sell some Dolomites.

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    Wow it is nice to be back on 2 wheels again. Very impressed with the Dolomite. Compliments everywhere I went today. Did a 5 mile trek through The Ohio State Campus, hit a few trails on the way home. Huge muddy smile.

    Cant wait for my Green Floaters!


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    Thought I would let everyone know that this bike is now available in Canada at Costco.ca for $259.99.
    Meteorpete

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    Wow it is nice to be back on 2 wheels again. Very impressed with the Dolomite. Compliments everywhere I went today. Did a 5 mile trek through The Ohio State Campus, hit a few trails on the way home. Huge muddy smile.

    Cant wait for my Green Floaters!

    Nice bike. Since you will probably be using that gear quite a bit, adding a couple links to your chain would be good. That der. is maxed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meteorpete View Post
    Thought I would let everyone know that this bike is now available in Canada at Costco.ca for $259.99.
    Meteorpete
    Shipping and handling included!

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    Freaking nice

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    Is that $259 US or Canadian? what's the currency conversion make it?

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    Im on it. Picked up some chain at my lbs yesterday. Can't decide if I'm going to drill the rims or not yet. I'm 6' 2", 260, so I'm a little apprehensive. My wife has ridden it around a bit and started to like it. I may pick up a Boris at the end of the year, it's really growing on me.

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    Im 6'2" and am about 240 with my riding gear. Ive never had any issues with my drilled rims and have ridden my bike hard.

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    Good to know. headed to the hardware store for a hole saw and gorilla tape.


    One thing I noticed that is different between my bike and the bike in the beginning of this thread is my grip shifter is different. It says falcon on it and the gears are in the reverse order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Is that $259 US or Canadian? what's the currency conversion make it?
    Costco.ca (nada), not Costco.com. That's $259 CAD, plus sales tax.
    $259 CAD is $237.90 USD, or $228.38 USD Cash Rate.

    Less that what we'd pay for a pair of hydraulic brakes here...

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    Not sure if there are any failures with the FreeWheel on the Dolomite, but am seeing that there are issues with the read hub on the Beast, and breaking axles. Would something similiar to this fit Dolomite?

    Formula SL1240/DC170 Fat Bike 6-Bolt Disc Hub Set 135/170mm Black

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    The rear hubs are completely different on these bikes. The Beast has a coaster brake and it's the coaster brake driver that is breaking, not the axle. The Dolomite has a solid rear axle, so you're not going to see the same failures you're seeing with The Beast (not that you may not have some other failure)

    I know this because I had a Beast and dealt with this issue.

    My .02

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    I understand that the beast and the dolomite have different hubs, I was just asking if this was what I should look for on a Dolomite, if I should want/need to find replacement hubs.

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    I have replaced and straightened so many FW axles at the shop I would not be surprised if it was the Achilles heel of this bike, YMMV.
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

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    Did my first singletrack ride today. Alum Creek Phase 1 Trail at Alum Creek State Park. 5.4 miles. Alum Creek Phase 1 Trail Mountain Bike Trail, Galena village, OH Good ride, very tired. The trail was awesome. Ive never ridden anywhere like this before. No mechanical problems with the Dolomite, although I have swapped to a sram shifter and rear der. Tires were the biggest issue. Did nothing but spin in the slop, but I expected that with that center rib it has. Floaters will arrive sometime next week I assume. Even with the Megarange, the gearing could be lower. Not to mention I'm way out of shape. As the mud packed on, I really started to not like the weight of the bike. I dont know if I want to invest any more in this bike or sell it and buy a Boris X7 or 9.



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    @kelbo:

    Sounds like this was your first ride, so you probably don't realize that riding muddy trails usually isn't allowed at most trails. Most trail systems want people to wait until the trail dries out before you ride. Riding wet trails can cause a lot of damage. I'm not in OH, so I don't know the rules, but I'd imagine it is frowned upon on these trails. If you are leaving tread marks and mud I'd collecting on your tires, it is too wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    ...Even with the Megarange, the gearing could be lower. Not to mention I'm way out of shape. As the mud packed on, I really started to not like the weight of the bike. I dont know if I want to invest any more in this bike or sell it and buy a Boris X7 or 9.
    That's why people like a dual or tripple in the front, and manually switch between 22T and 32T, depending on where they're riding. Or add a front derailer if you've the bucks and inclination.

    The bike will be both lighter and roll better once you've gotten rid of the stock tires and stock tubes. But that still won't compare to a Boris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYNOFREERIDE View Post
    @kelbo: Sounds like this was your first ride, so you probably don't realize that riding muddy trails usually isn't allowed at most trails. Most trail systems want people to wait until the trail dries out before you ride. Riding wet trails can cause a lot of damage. ...
    Oh oh.
    http://ohiosingletrack.com/trailcondition.php?tabid=50 Alum Creek Phase 1 & P2:
    ...I worked some drainage issues and ruts today
    ...
    Reports from the trail are that it's still very muddy. Please do not ride and reverse all the work that was done yesterday.
    ...
    Heavy rains soaked the trail this morning. Please do not ride.
    ...
    do not ride muddy sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeze View Post
    Not sure if there are any failures with the FreeWheel on the Dolomite, but am seeing that there are issues with the read hub on the Beast, and breaking axles. Would something similiar to this fit Dolomite?

    Formula SL1240/DC170 Fat Bike 6-Bolt Disc Hub Set 135/170mm Black
    FYI, I'm pretty sure the stock rims on the Dolomite are 36-hole and these are only 32-hole hubs. They won't lace up correctly... (?) (I've never laced a wheel myself - looks pretty daunting!)
    Last edited by rotaidalg; 05-23-2014 at 02:39 PM. Reason: bad typing skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    Did my first singletrack ride today. Alum Creek Phase 1 Trail at Alum Creek State Park. 5.4 miles. Alum Creek Phase 1 Trail Mountain Bike Trail, Galena village, OH Good ride, very tired. The trail was awesome. Ive never ridden anywhere like this before. No mechanical problems with the Dolomite, although I have swapped to a sram shifter and rear der. Tires were the biggest issue. Did nothing but spin in the slop, but I expected that with that center rib it has. Floaters will arrive sometime next week I assume. Even with the Megarange, the gearing could be lower. Not to mention I'm way out of shape. As the mud packed on, I really started to not like the weight of the bike. I dont know if I want to invest any more in this bike or sell it and buy a Boris X7 or 9.


    i also agree with you about still needing lower gearing. i am currently looking for a compatible front crank and smaller chain ring. once you go with a different tire you will also notice that the bike is easier to pedal.

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    I will definitely be mindful of the trail from now on. There were about 5 riders out there in my time span and the trail was definitely rutted in a few sections. Canoe thanks for the link. I will check that before I ride next time. Hitting the trails in my FJ40 tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    ...Hitting the trails in my FJ40 tomorrow.
    I had to sell my BJ40.

    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    ...(I've never laced a wheel myself - looks pretty daunting!)
    But a lot of fun! Rather straightforward with instructions/procedures. I've done it a few times with Roger Musson's book. Still have to refer to it each time...

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    Merry Christmas!



    Literally. I feel like if Santa had a fatbike... Rims may get flat black very soon.

    Floaters came in today. I will replace this pic with a better one, my boys wanted to see a tire tonite before I mounted it.

    Took the kids on a bike ride yesterday and have yet to see another fat bike. I did get "Nice Pugsley" twice yesterday. I thought that was hilarious.

    My bottom bracket (not sure if that is the correct terminology) was loose yesterday so I took it apart and regreased everything. Tightened up and the clicking went away. Factory grease was barely a glaze.

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    Here's a good Dolomite story.

    I was out camping in Leavenworth, WA over the weekend. I had my bike laying down in front of the RV and as I was walking up to it, I hear this loud boom and some dirt in the air close to my bike.

    Just as I start to inspect the front wheel, BOOM again! The 1st boom was the tire popping off the rim and the 2nd was the tube popping. I think it was the elevation difference between home and camping (1200 feet or so) and the heat from the bike laying in the sun for a few hours that caused the tube to explode.

    The rear was looking pretty tight as well so I deflated it before it blew up.

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    How do I drill my rims like that???

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    cheap 2-wheel trailer for my "truck" Dolomite...

    I had this In-Step brand kid's trailer in the shed for a couple of years. Mounted the hitch plate to the Dolo (too short w/stock 16" diameter wheels...) & added some wheel-chair wheels to the frame - viola! Trash/cargo hauler!

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-w-trlr-lftsd-27may14-.jpg

    Even w/my narrow drop bars the trailer isn't too much wider than them...

    (sorry, the perspective on this pic makes it look WAY wider...)

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-w-trlr-rrvw-27may14-.jpg

    Now I can do propane tank exchanges by bike if I want to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The norseman View Post
    How do I drill my rims like that???

    Right to Bike: How to drill your rims.

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    Thank you Kelbo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Clark View Post
    ...The 1st boom was the tire popping off the rim and the 2nd was the tube popping. I think it was the elevation difference between home and camping (1200 feet or so) and the heat from the bike laying in the sun for a few hours that caused the tube to explode...
    How much PSI are you using in your tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    HOW TO DISSASSEMBLE:

    Its pretty easy to do with common tools.

    Screw the freewheel to a block of wood using the teeth to hold the freewheel in place. Using a screwdriver, or a punch, and a hammer, tap the lockring to unscrew it.


    When taking the freewheel apart, do you spin the lockring clockwise or counterclockwise? looks like in the pic, counterclokwise.

    Have a 11-34t Superwide Megarange freewheel, would like to add the 28t into. That is if it makes sense once I see how it goes back together and what cogs need to be swapped around.

    currently it has
    11-13-15-18-21-24-34

    was hoping for something like
    11-14-18-21-24-28-34

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeze View Post
    ... currently it has 11-13-15-18-21-24-34
    was hoping for something like 11-14-18-21-24-28-34
    You've got the elusive and rather pricy 11-34T. To get down to 11T and fit on, they had to make it somewhat different than the others. Before you start tearing it apart, go read.

    Shimano Re-invents the Freewheel

    (and here Traditional Thread-on Freewheels)

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    If you can pull that custom stack off, you'll have:

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolo-11-34t-stock-custom-stack.jpg

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    Well my Dolo is down. Took off to my buddy's house earlier this week and the crank arm fell off. When I picked it up it was full of metal shavings and the nut was cracked from being over tightened it looks like. Called Pacific Cycles and the parts are on back order so I found a replacement nut from my trusty Toyota spares parts bin. The arm has some play, but it's holding so far.

    Picked up a used dirt jumper to play around with till my parts arrive. '10 DK Asterik.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    If you can pull that custom stack off, you'll have:

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    Ok this is cool, but unsure if your graph is showing me that this is a good setup, or not.

    what app are you using to create these graphs?

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    This was the original nut holding my crank arm on...it is mildly stressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeze View Post
    Ok this is cool, but unsure if your graph is showing me that this is a good setup, or not.
    what app are you using to create these graphs?
    Just a spreadsheet in LibreOffice.

    I think your custom stack 11-34T could be a great setup for a hilly area. Combined with a lower count front, your gear choices would definitely be biased to the lower gear inches for hills or getting through soft sand.

    From the first blue line, you can see the stock Dolo freewheel driven by a 36T front. The left side, at around 37 gear inches, is the easiest to pedal, and is insufficient for many hills or terrain. The ticks on the line show where each gear falls in gear inches. So you can drive the Dolo and see which "gear inches" you'd use or wouldn't use. The yellow, green, dark blue and orange lines show the gear inches the stock freewheel would yield when driven by 34T, 32T, 30T and a 28T front.

    The 11-34T has a huge range. The blue background area shows examples of that stock freewheel, driven by the stock Dolo 36T front (blue line), along with a 32T front (lighter green line) and a 28T front (darker green line). You can see the big gap between the far left tick and the next tick on the line, showing the gap between the 34T and the 24T gears in the stock stack. This is intentional in the stock stack, as it's an "alpine" stack, with a nice spread in six gears with a granny 34T to manage extreme hills. This stock stack with a 28T isn't bad, giving six choices from a step better from a stock Dolo through to it's top cruiser gear, with a granny at the bottom coming in around 24 gear inches. But with a fat bike, we may be wanting more choices spaced through the bottom end (hence your custom stack).

    The green background area shows where your custom stacked 11-34T freewheel's gears would place. You can see the nice even spacing of your intended custom stack, and that it's biased in the low gear inch range (towards the left), and compare where they would place relative to the stock Dolo (your practical experience in Dolo pedaling). With the stock 36T front, you can see where it gives a solid step better on the low end, but the far right may never get used (unless you want to pump it going downhill?). All the way down to a 28T front where you can see you'd get close to the lowest of a stock Dolo and still have three lower choices. A 32T front yields two lower choices.

    The down side is the size of the gaps in the above 50 gear inch ranges.

    While the 11-34T is certainly impressive, would you ever end up using the 11T?
    From this chart and earlier charts in this thread, you can see where the 13-34T or 14-34T would "drop" the 11T and leave a place in the stack for another gear that's a choice in the range that you'd actually use. Depends on where and how you'll be riding.

    It's hugely tempting to have a range like 11T to 34T, but seeing how it graphs out, I'm quite content to have a 14-34T rear with hand switching a 22T/32T front. Way more, and usable, choices.
    A nice 11-34T Shimano can go for $200+ on ebay... that buys a lot of parts for a Dolo. (new 13-34T and 14-28T for a custom stack, more supple tires, new trigger gear selector)

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    Wow. $200 guess I lucked out when I picked up from bikewagon for $24. Might just put on ebay. And see if I can recover most of the price of the dolo since I ordered it from the initial group of bikes from wall mart before they raised prices

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeze View Post
    ... I picked up for $24. ...
    $24?
    Lets check here. 7 speed Shimano Freewheel 11-34T?
    I see that store had a "Shimano CS-HG50 7-Speed MTB Freewheel 11-34T" listed.
    CS is cassette. That should have been MF-HG50 (MF stand for Multiple Freewheel). Their photo shows a Freewheel. I hope yours is the Freewheel and it was still around as it was mis-listed as a CS.

    There's been some DNP Epoch reported around, but the Shimano is the "one" to find.

    The last one I found went for $225, used, great condition. Most sold over $150. A friend found two sales of these, used great condition, both over $250. They've been hard to get since ~2008 and scarce/non-existent since 2012, hence the crazy price. Fewer people needing them now, so no telling on the price...

    But if yours is brand new... who knows.

    Perhaps you want to search for the sites where people were looking to find these back in 2009 to 2012, then post there asking what people think is a good price to ask for a good-used or brand-new one.
    An ebay auction right now may not be the best idea, as most people are out riding, not checking the web.

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    A 13-34T or 14-34T is a likely a better place to start than with 11T.

    TAKE CAREFUL NOTE of Blown240's post on the different types of stacks with the old vs. new freewheels. http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11157937

    Here's a repost showing where the stock 13-34T and 14-34T freewheels fall in gear inches on the Dolo. Some custom stacks shown too.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolo-gear-inches-various-cranks-freewheels-sm.jpg

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    I see some talk that the early Dolomites had bent/twisted forks from the start. How would I check my fork iw bent/twisted. Currently I have the bike apart.

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    Dolomites are $249 right now at target.com

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    Hey all, new here, and have been itching for something a little different to take for my work commute. Ordered a Dolomite, vee rubber speedster tires, and lighter tubes, since i figure 40lbs will be way better that the insane 49. I read theres still many other places to cut weight, but this seemed to be the best bang for the buck!

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    Yup! That's a great way to loose some weight!

    If your really into modifying it, you can get a new handlebar and seat post. Also drill the rims. Depending on your weight you can also replace the wheels with 24 spokes instead of the 36 it has now.

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    26" Mongoose Dolomite Mens 7-speed Fat Tire Mountain Bike,
    PRICE JUST WENT BACK DOWN TO $275 AT WALMART.COM. Bought one 12 days ago, called Wally World and they gave me a $75 credit.

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    Hey other than the color is there any difference between the rim on the beast and dolomite? I can get them for free, was thinking to switch the color since i hate the red rims. Thoughts?

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    nope. same rim...

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    nope. same rim...
    Perfect. What size spoke wrench do i need? Never did this before shoild be interesting!

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    Building wheels is fun.

    Just get one of the round spoke wrenches that have all the sizes. They are pretty cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Building wheels is fun.

    Just get one of the round spoke wrenches that have all the sizes. They are pretty cheap.
    Great will do! Im just glad i can put the white rims on it, not a fan of red.

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    it's the red park tools one. i found the nipples on mine inconsistent some were difficult to get the wrench on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawaitai View Post
    I tried to order the Dolomite$266.00 and it has a Hawaii Surcharge $74
    shipping $2.97 $14.48 tax. That surcharge SUCKS! How did yours qualify for free-ship?
    So you're trying to order from Walmart.com, but with a shipping charge of $2.97. This means that you've ended up with Standard Shipping instead of the Free Shipping. On my order, when I chose between Free Shipping and SiteToStore, Walmart.com automatically built the order with "Standard Shipping" on the order instead of Free Shipping, but with the quick Estimated Delivery time and a $2.97 charge for Standard Shipping, I figured close enough and didn't explore how to select Free Shipping.

    Standard shipping on my Dolo order: ordered ~10:15 AM Tuesday, it left the warehouse near San Fran late afternoon on that Tuesday, arriving in upper NY state at 12:30 noon on the Thursday, two days later. For that fast air shipping to Hawaii I can see a $74 surcharge.

    So try selecting Free Shipping and see if that has the surcharge. Or try selecting "Free store pickup with Site to Store" and select your closest Walmart store.

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    I threw a little Verde flavor on the Dolo. Perfect for cruising High street and Ohio State Campus. Just having fun...



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    RE: fast air shipping 12 days? fast by who's standards. that's the ETA for it to reach here in Hawaii, and NO site to store option either! The price we pay to live in Hawaii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawaitai View Post
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    RE: fast air shipping 12 days? fast by who's standards. that's the ETA for it to reach here in Hawaii, and NO site to store option either! The price we pay to live in Hawaii.
    Walmart.com is having issues in recent days with the estimated delivery date showing around a week out. A friend ordered a Massif, indicating a delivery of July 10th, but by phoning it turns out the actual delivery date is expected to be June 28 or 30th. So the 12 days you saw may or may not be accurate.

    There's two shipping methods. Free Shipping and Standard Shipping. As you show a shipping fee of $2.97, you've got it set to the Standard Shipping, and you're also getting a surcharge for Hawaii.
    So go in and get it set on Free Shipping, and see if there's a surcharge on Free Shipping too.
    Then phone, to see if that part of the online ordering is correct, and there is a surcharge. If there is, ask if they'll waive it. Nothing to lose by asking.

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    latest reconfiguration of the cockpit... 02Jul12

    I've actually put in about 30 miles w/this new setup & I like it a lot better for shifting, control & braking power (w/the original MTB brake levers).

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-rtsd-02jul14-nwcckpit-frntrck-.jpg

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-frntvwhndlbrs-02jul14.jpg

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-nwcckpt-02jul14.jpg

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-rrvw-02jul14.jpg

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    Good job!

    HI everyone I just bought my Dolomite at my Walmart Supercenter. I paid 225 for it and put ten psi in the tires. I weigh 294 pounds an fear the lower pressure might cause the tires to fail. I am a heart patient and bought the Dolo to use to get back into shape.
    My daughter saw it and thinks it looks like a monster bike with the four inch tires. I would like to change the tires out for some lighter skins. if I do that whjat type and what psi does anyone recommend? '
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    Hi again! Rode it for fifteen minutes on a paved bike path near home. (snore). Ran great. I will hjave to get a longer seatpost though . there is only three inches left in the seat post when properly adjusted. Where can I order one that fitsa that is three inches longer than stock? I just don't want to have a failure while I go around the Lion's Club park trail near home. my daughter is planning joining me too. except that she will ride her trek.

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    Stripped out another set of cranks with very little seat time on the new set. Back to the old school Blackcomb until I figure out what to do with this bike. Considering picking up and XR-pro stuffing on a set of Knards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    ... put ten psi in the tires. I weigh 294 pounds an fear the lower pressure might cause the tires to fail. ... I would like to change the tires out for some lighter skins. if I do that whjat type and what psi does anyone recommend?
    For nicer tires, you're looking at 120 TPI tires.
    On-one-floaters seem to be the most popular 120 TPI for the money. Available in black or some colours too. http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/col...rs-899795.html
    You'll want to ditch the stock tubes as well. They're pigs for rolling, and they're heavy too.

    You'll have to play around with the PSI to find what works for you. Try from six to 15 PSI, by 1 lbs steps. Then once you're close to what you like, vary by 1/2 lbs. steps.
    Different ground = different PSI.

    Do look at this post for a list of things to do.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11152236

    For your seat post, try your LBS.

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    Canoe:

    I will try to get some lighter tubes to start. The Dolomite Is a pretty nice bike. yes the brakes needed some 'break-in' , but, after my ride they work fine. The seat will be the next to go. I want to put on a more traditional Mountain bike saddle like a Bontrager or WTB. I have been an avid cyclist for more than 50 years and a 'dirthead' for 30 or so. So getting a Dolomite is my way of getting active again after a three year hiatus due to heart problems. On pavement, it rides just like my 1940"s Schwinn Phantom that I rode when I was 11 and then modified when there were early dirt trails in our subdivision outside of Chicago. Later today, barring any rain, My 30 yr old daughter and I plan on riding on the dirt and gravel roads in the nearby Mark Twain National Forest for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    Stripped out another set of cranks with very little seat time on the new set. Back to the old school Blackcomb until I figure out what to do with this bike. Considering picking up and XR-pro stuffing on a set of Knards.
    really? those parts are that bad? would it be worth it to do this? https://fatbeachbikes.com/TommiSea_S...bracket-detail

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    Canoe:
    I will try to get some lighter tubes to start. ...Later today, barring any rain, My 30 yr old daughter and I plan on riding on the dirt and gravel roads in the nearby Mark Twain National Forest for a while.
    It's a department store bike. Riding it without greasing the hubs, bottom bracket & headset has a high chance of either trashing or reducing the bearing life. Check that link.

    The tires are not supple. The tubes are not supple. I haven't heard of much improvement with switching the tubes without switching the tires. No idea what lighter more supple tube you could use with the huge volume of the stock tires.

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    Canoe:
    Anything am going to try first will be to reduce rolling resistance. I am going to try the Vee Mission tires as you suggested. annnnd replacing the tubes too. I went for that ride this morning. The stock tires are ok but I want something lighter. My daughter out distanced me on her trek wsd 5000 series bike and had to keep waiting for me. lol. As soon as I get my retirement next month I will order some at my lbd.
    by tje way I took the dolo to my lbs. they took apart my hubs and crank for 50 and lubed them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    Canoe:
    Anything am going to try first will be to reduce rolling resistance. I am going to try the Vee Mission tires as you suggested. annnnd replacing the tubes too. I went for that ride this morning. The stock tires are ok but I want something lighter..
    It's not just lighter. It's how supple they are, or they absorb too much energy rolling into the flat spot and back out again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    For nicer tires, you're looking at 120 TPI tires.
    On-one-floaters seem to be the most popular 120 TPI for the money...

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    Canoe:
    I went to the on one site but they are in Great Britian. I have never ordered anything from overseas. I was wondering what the conversion rate is, pounds sterling to USD By the way, my sister who still lives in Chicago went through the garage at the family home. She found the frame and wheels of my phantom and the Brooks saddle that my great uncle put on it. she is going to bring it down to me on her way through town. She said the tires are dry rotted, so, we are going to put it back into ridable shape to tool around town. She also found my 67 paramount road bike and that one I am giving to my nephew for his collection. Went riding at the trails in the park at subset, did three laps around a tame section of wooded trails, about 4 miles. the Dolo is preforming great. Noit creaks or mystery sounds of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    Canoe:
    I went to the on one site but they are in Great Britian. I have never ordered anything from overseas. I was wondering what the conversion rate is, pounds sterling to USD...
    An example from March 2014.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/oth...l#post11064896
    That site had them in black (one link/part listing) but are sold out as I write this, or in colors (another link/part listing; currently green & pink in stock).

    A US link, but more $.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/col...l#post11289423

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    Thank you for the link Spidennis. I am going to upgrade the bb and keep pedaling.

    oldbear52, I ordered the On One Floater direct from the UK and it took about 2 weeks or so to get to Ohio. Cant beat the price if you dont mind a little wait. They send you an international tracking number as well. The tires perform 110% better than the stockers. With Surly tubes, my bike is noticeably lighter. It was 44 pounds with the Floaters and stock tubes IIRC. I haven't weighed it since with the new tubes. It makes riding the bike so much easier and it doesn't scrub as much speed. Not to mention the green looks great.

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    I just got mine today and put it together quickly. I noticed the front rotor is not aligned with the front disc brake. I tried loosening the adjustment screw they show in their video, but even with it backed out (and the brake inoperable), the rotor still rubs against one side. I'm assuming it's a different adjustment not shown on their youtube channel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpinzone View Post
    .. the front rotor is not aligned with the front disc brake...
    You might find a post on adjusting disc brakes here Brake Time

    If no luck, you'd better throw a photo up here so we can see what's up.

    (I assume your hub axle is properly seated)

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    Now my handicapped son wants one!

    Now sin ce I have mine, My 29 year old Autistic son wants one. Seems he can't work the hand brakes So I am thinking of getting him a beast. He loves to spiun my pedals and keeps calling mined

    ollymite and blue. Got the schwinn today and dug up smoke old ken da tires for it cleaned it up and now it sits in my bedroom . Haven't ridden it yet because I am too busy riding over at the lions club trails and running errands for my wife.

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    I think it's time to consider a triple crankset for the Dolo. Rode the trails tonight and then hit the wallyworld with our trailer to get some groceries. I would like anyone's recommendation as to what triple to use. I put an old Bontrager saddle on it and ordered some tires and tubes from on one. On another post I wanted to know where I could get a longer seatpost. , but, the stock one seems to be working well enough. A friend saw the Phantom tonight and wants to buy it., funny what a little cleaning will accomplish. (didn't sell it.). My daughter and I rode about five laps on dirt and and four on pavement. I am running 12psi and it works well for the dirt and Ok for the pavement. so our total mileage today was 18 miles and my daughter is thinking of getting a fat bike too. By the way Academy Sports has Dolomites at $249.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    I think it's time to consider a triple crankset for the Dolo. and my daughter is thinking of getting a fat bike too. By the way Academy Sports has Dolomites at $249.
    keep us posted on that triple! I'd be thinking about doing the same …… so what was it, not high enough, low enough, or just more fine in that range? cause I use up all my gears usually and when I get a fat bike (maybe this one) I want to know what I'll have to do to it.

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    Have you done the Megarange swap? That made a world of difference on mine. $18 in parts, including the tool to remove the freewheel.

    Spidennis, add up the cost of this bike plus the upgrades you would do and then consider the Gravity Bullseye or another model. As much as I like the dolo, Im going to have to invest in a better bike for hitting the trails. Mine has seen a decent amount of street miles and only 5 miles of trail and I'm starting to chase one problem after another. I'm 6'2" 250 as well, so maybe I'm at its limits for a rider.
    Last edited by kelbo; 07-11-2014 at 01:57 PM.

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    Thank you for all the good info in this thread.
    After piloting a recumbent trike for a few years, while lusting for a fat bike, I just ordered a Dolomite.
    I'm looking forward to getting back in the dirt again.
    Again, thanks y'all.

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    The Local Walmart Got two in and my 5'4" daughter snapped one up. Yes Kelbo I am going to get a Megarange thru my lbs. My daughter also ordered Two VeeRubber Mission tires for hers from Fatback in Alaska. They have 60tpi tires for $56.00. couldn't Ride too much today. 90 plus degrees Keeps me inside. I am a congestive heart failure patient. We are planniong to hit the trails at seven for an hour. My daughter stripped of the stickers except for the headtube looks cool. Added a Bontrager water bottle cage and a wireless Cateye computer. she rode around the apartment complex and then let her brother ride it on the grass. Seems he can handle the hand brakes pretty well.

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    thanks for this forum. ordered dolomite earlier today. i have a chance of having an enjoyable bike due to all the info you have provided. it will end up being a first e-bike build, but it's got to be right first. thankyou

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    We rode for an hour and a half in the dirt. The sunset was nice and we found that the gearing does need to be upgraded. Climbing is okay but we need more variety. The new gearing should ease a little stress on our knees. there were a couple places that when I rode my trek single speed were just a little too rough. The Dolos wider stance and tread we just rolled right through. At the age of 62 I just needed a bike that would fit into my fixed budget, I am a retired radio dj and need to get back into shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbear52 View Post
    ... we found that the gearing does need to be upgraded. ... just needed a bike that would fit into my fixed budget...
    The Dolo comes geared for cruiser bike range.
    You can get the following parts used or new.
    (From past posts.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    • Get that 7-speed 14-34T freewheel (or the 13-34T version). New, it's available for under $10 if you look around.
    • The stock front is 36T (teeth/tooth). You can get a double or triple front (22-32-42T), but then only use the 22T or 32T, by stopping and changing the chain over by hand when you're riding on the flat vs. on hills. If you find you want to switch a lot, then you look into adding the appropriate hardware to do that job.
    If you go back to the graphic at this post
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/dol...l#post11161518
    the first line shows the gearing of the stock Dolo. Definitely cruiser range, from ~37.5 to ~75.5 gear inches.
    The light-green background group shows the 14T-34T megarange freewheel mentioned above, with the Dolo stock 36T front, and also with fronts of 22T, 32T and 42T.
    If you compare how much easier it is to pedal between the stock Dolo's lowest (~37.5 gear inches) and next lowest gear (~44 gear inches) (or any other gear), you can estimate how much easier it may be with the 34T of the megarange with the stock Dolo front of 36T, with that pairing providing ~31 gear inches. With a 32T front driving it, that 34T rear is down to ~27.5 gear inches, and with a 22T front, it's down to ~19 gear inches.

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    Thanks for your input. I am going to have my lbs install a Megarange. When my tires get here I think I can handle the install. my arthritis isn't too bad in my hands yet. LOL. I bought some park lube and we did the lube job ourselves on the daughter's Dolo. A nice thick layer. The headset was the lowest. In do have one complaint with the Dolomite though, it's a minor one, it would be nice to have a second set of water bottle bosses. My daughter uses a bottle and as hydration pack. Well got to scoot before the heat rises and my daughter has to go to work We are going to ride a seties of trails a little ways out of town.
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