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    SNOWSHOW 2XL tires on CS-197 frame, plenty room still
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    What do you think about the weight of this combo build ?
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    Sorry for the dupe post, can't figure out how to delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Speed Bikes View Post
    SNOWSHOW 2XL tires on CS-197 frame, plenty room still
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    What width rims are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    What width rims are those?

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    Looks like 65mm (or possibly 80mm.)
    Would be good to see clearance on 100mm.

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    So far my CS-197 has been really good. Clears a Mastodon no problem.

    Currently using 29x3 wheels with the axle in the forward position, 26x4.8" Vee snow avalanche tires on 90mm rims have lots of space with the axle in the forward position.

    I really wish Vee would make a bigger snow avalanche or Surly would come out with a bigger bud with decent sidewalls, probably end up cutting down some 2xl's.

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    Awesome!
    It was the higher profile of the rim that tricked me into guessing 80mm or 65mm. And of course, the massive 2XLs can make even a 100mm rim look ''narrow''
    Good work on the wheels and frame, Peter!
    I just got a nice idea seeing that dropout, so I will contact you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Awesome!
    It was the higher profile of the rim that tricked me into guessing 80mm or 65mm. And of course, the massive 2XLs can make even a 100mm rim look ''narrow''
    Good work on the wheels and frame, Peter!
    I just got a nice idea seeing that dropout, so I will contact you.
    Espen,
    I took a look at the Kindernay internal hub website. That looks great! I have been looking for a good, light IGH over the years, and it finally looks like one is coming our way. Are you a principle at the company? I am guessing you are thinking about substituting sliders for the "chips" on the CS-197.
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    Anyone running the full suspension carbon frame with 12x197 rear spacing? How big of a tire have you fit on the back?

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    Is it possible to get a good picture of the chainline on this bike in the lowest/easiest gear? How much chain rub on the tire is there? Does the cassette need to be spaced outward?

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    Anyone using a dropper on their CS-197? I am just starting to build mine and am thinking that I definitely want to throw one on. I have been searching for pics of an internally routed dropper preferably, but not much luck. I am open to non "stealth" routed dropper posts if it comes down to that. Anyone here with one?

    If I go with a dropper, it looks like the KS LEV would be a good option with the external cable that is stationary, and route it through the top tube holes.
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    Does anyone know if the XM CS-197 frame is designed around a 100mm or 120mm Bluto? I've got the frame already, just wondering what size Bluto I should be looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Does anyone know if the XM CS-197 frame is designed around a 100mm or 120mm Bluto? I've got the frame already, just wondering what size Bluto I should be looking for?
    I have the 120 on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    I have the 120 on mine.
    How is it with the 120? Not too slack?

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    I am building this bike as we speak so I cannot say. I have one on another carbon FB and it is great. Certainly beneficial on the trails I ride.

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    Ok, thanks for the input. I will probably go with a 120. If it's too slack, it can easily be lowered to a 100 if necessary I suppose.

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    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parus Cristatus View Post
    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...
    Try Lamere or Salsa Beargrease.
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    After spending some time reading through this thread I decided to try a chinese carbon frame as a replacement for my Moto frame that cracked last spring. Happy with it so far (2 lbs lighter than the Moto w/ better fit and geometry). Gonna get out for my first ride today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parus Cristatus View Post
    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...
    Try looking at Sarma bikes. There's is 170x12 thru axle.
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    A couple from today's maiden voyage. Bike handled great!

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    I am about to pull the trigger on the FM191. I just can't decide on what size. I am 5'11" and I am looking at the 17.5" or the 19". Usually when I am on the border of two road bike sizes I size down but I don't know the sizing on these fat bikes really at all. Any thoughts, experience with sizing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromb View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on the FM191. I just can't decide on what size. I am 5'11" and I am looking at the 17.5" or the 19". Usually when I am on the border of two road bike sizes I size down but I don't know the sizing on these fat bikes really at all. Any thoughts, experience with sizing?
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.

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    To Sryanak & majack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.
    Jefflinde, do you feel like the 19" fits you pretty well or a little big? How do you feel on the 17.5 you got for your friend?

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    I would say that the 19 fits me perfectly. I did ride the 17.5 and I had to run the seat post almost all the way up and then i was a bi cramped in the cockpit. The 17.5 had an 80mm stem so it was not super short there either. if your inseam is 30-31 and you want the clearance for your crotch then go 17.5. if you have a longer inseam i would say go 19

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    I am also a 33 inch inseam but that could be fixed with a longer seat post. Dang, I thought 17.5 was going to be perfect for a moment and now I am confused. I need to hit up a bike store and try some bikes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromb View Post
    I am also a 33 inch inseam but that could be fixed with a longer seat post. Dang, I thought 17.5 was going to be perfect for a moment and now I am confused. I need to hit up a bike store and try some bikes out.
    If your 5'11" and a 33" inseam I would say go with the smaller frame. The reach on the 19 is long. I have long arms so it kinda makes up for it. You can always adjust the cockpit with seat post like you said and stem length

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.
    That'll be perfect, put a 35 or 40mm stem on it. Modern frames have good stand over. The old "always downsize" theory is bunk with modern frames and components.
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    Parts swapping compatibility?
    I have a 2017 Fatboy Base in a large, but I really need a medium. I was looking at frames to swap out with, but Specialized only sells their carbon frame for $2,000. Started looking at this thread and wondered about a Chinese Carbon frame that I could swap as many of my parts over to as possible.
    Can anyone with more experience tell me if this would work? I know that the wheels would work, but am unsure about things like bottom brackets, headsets and my current fork- I have a carbon one and would just assume keep it as start over. Seat posts are a little deal and can be swapped out easily enough.

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    BBs are cheap as, so why not start with a new one?

    List the specs of the Fatboy, thatll make it easier for someone to help you,
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    Wheels, axle & width
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    Fork, straight or tapered?
    BB, pressfit or screw in

    If your fork fits the new frame then stem/handlebar will be ok
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    FM190 frames in 15.5''/17.5''/19'' on sale, anyone has interest ? FM190 fat bike carbon snow frame for 190/197*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Speed Bikes View Post
    FM190 frames in 15.5''/17.5''/19'' on sale, anyone has interest ? FM190 fat bike carbon snow frame for 190/197*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd
    depends on how big the sale is. What is the new price?

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    Here's a link to the bike: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/fatboy/115629
    I know that it has a threaded bottom bracket, but can't figure out a size from what I read on the website. I know that the fork is tapered, but with a 46mm offset- so I'm not sure how well that plays with the frame. Not sure if the headset would transfer over or if it's easier to just buy a new one. Wheels look like they would fit a 197 frame- kind of a novice to all of the numbers so I don't quite get how a frame can be 190 and 197 but I'm sure there's a simple explanation that I just haven't read yet.
    Thanks for educating a newbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedivewi View Post
    Here's a link to the bike: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/fatboy/115629
    I know that it has a threaded bottom bracket, but can't figure out a size from what I read on the website. I know that the fork is tapered, but with a 46mm offset- so I'm not sure how well that plays with the frame. Not sure if the headset would transfer over or if it's easier to just buy a new one. Wheels look like they would fit a 197 frame- kind of a novice to all of the numbers so I don't quite get how a frame can be 190 and 197 but I'm sure there's a simple explanation that I just haven't read yet.
    Thanks for educating a newbie.
    About the offset, you will need to try it and see. The Fatboy usess the Aeffect cranks, from memory these are 24mm wide therefore any threaded BB that suits "Hollowtech" will work (or get RaceFace BB to match the crank), your problem will be the plastic sleeve to keep water/crud out, l personally dont run the sleeve and drilled a 3mm hole in the frame under the BB. I wait till Shimano BBs are on sale (~$15) then buy a couple.
    190/197mm rear, difference is a spacer, this shouldnt be a issue as you use 197mm.
    Headset, get a new one, Cane Creek 40 is recommended, l have it one and its a good piece of kit (double check it will fit your new frame), headsets that come with the frames have no water/dustproofing, but mine did last 1.5yrs.
    Youll probably need a new searpost as most Chinga frames are 31.6mm and you have 30.9mm.

    Lastly lm not up to date on the current frames, l ride a 3yr old lCAN SN01 frame, do a lot of reading in this thread to see failures and also good reports, lastly some companies largest frames are 20 while others are 21, not sure if this effects you, also fitment of a suspension fork (if thats on your mind) can be problematic on the smaller frames due to frame strikes (there are fixes though).

    Maybe someone will chime in with a frame suggestion for you.
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    Hi, thanks to this thread I bought a CS-197 which is almost ready to ride.

    Except I can't figure the rear brake mount. Assumed it's a flat mount so bought Shimano flat mount to 160 rear adaptor SM-MA-R160 P/D. This doesn't fit though, the threaded holes on this adaptor don't match the frame.

    There were no adaptors etc in the packaging, I did check that. I've also emailed Pete Xu on this.


    ETA WOW such a fast response by email from Pete Xu. He's been a pleasure to deal with. Seems the bespoke adaptor usually included, was not sent with my frame.

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    I would also like to know the answer to this. I will be putting XT brakes on with a 203mm rotor up front and a 180 on the rear. I do not have any adapters yet.

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    Peter replied by email very quickly with the photo below. The frame should ship with the pictured bespoke mount which I assume allows you to position the caliper for either of the axle dropout postitions. This mount was missing from my shipment. It will take a standard brake caliper.

    It's designed for a 160 rotor, a further PM-PM adaptor may allow a 180 but I don't think there's enough clearance.

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    Whoops, I found mine in the bubble wrap! Check it all carefully folks!

    And it looks like you will fit a 180 rear with a 160-180 std Post to Post adaptor. Fork is std post mount for 160 or std Post Mount adaptors for larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    depends on how big the sale is. What is the new price?
    They are 350 USD/piece on frame with fitting rear 197x12 axle for sale now, no size 21'' though

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    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA
    Yes, usually they do. So I've purchase 3 frames and they all came with it.

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    Which frames have a gloss finish and a visible weave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA
    1.5mm thread pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Which frames have a gloss finish and a visible weave?
    Visible weave? Parts like frames and rims are made from unidirectional carbon layers, which don't have a "weave", that's just a cosmetic layer that is added on the top of some of the carbon rims. I have a gloss XM carbonspeed CS-197 that I had them use matte lettering for the brand, I can see the raw carbon at pretty much all angles, which I think is nice, but it's definitely not a "weave".

    Otherwise, manufacturers like XM carbon let you choose the color or whether you want gloss/matte, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Visible weave? Parts like frames and rims are made from unidirectional carbon layers, which don't have a "weave", that's just a cosmetic layer that is added on the top of some of the carbon rims. I have a gloss XM carbonspeed CS-197 that I had them use matte lettering for the brand, I can see the raw carbon at pretty much all angles, which I think is nice, but it's definitely not a "weave".

    Otherwise, manufacturers like XM carbon let you choose the color or whether you want gloss/matte, etc.
    Nextie rims have an option for a cosmetic weave on top. I am looking for a frame option to match.
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    I have not come across a fat bike that has what you are looking for. I have seen some hard tail frames that have been in 3k and 12k but never a fat bike. You are most likely going to have to talk to each company to see if they will do it for you as a one off type thing.

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    I am finishing up my FM191 build and working on my brakes. I am seeing an issue with how they built my internal routing to the rear brake. The hole is the same size all the way through. I can route my brake cable HOUSING all the way through the internal route to the brake. Shouldn't it only go in a half inch like everything else? Or am I missing something?

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    Never mind. I guess that is how it is supposed to be. Some of this is new to me coming from non-disc brake bikes.

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    I have built 2 fm191s and if you are running hydros the hose will go all the way through the frame. If you are running cable brakes the housing should be run through all the way as well.

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    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
    This is with the axle set in the most rearward position?

    There's the guy with the picture at the top of this page with carbonspeed rims and the 2XL tires, says he has plenty of clearance?
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    Yes, rear position. Don't know how the other poster got it to fit with "plenty of room".

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Yes, rear position. Don't know how the other poster got it to fit with "plenty of room".
    Please post photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedivewi View Post
    Parts swapping compatibility?
    I have a 2017 Fatboy Base in a large, but I really need a medium. I was looking at frames to swap out with, but Specialized only sells their carbon frame for $2,000. Started looking at this thread and wondered about a Chinese Carbon frame that I could swap as many of my parts over to as possible.
    Can anyone with more experience tell me if this would work? I know that the wheels would work, but am unsure about things like bottom brackets, headsets and my current fork- I have a carbon one and would just assume keep it as start over. Seat posts are a little deal and can be swapped out easily enough.

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    I actually did just this. Had an XL Fatboy I snagged used locally for a great price, and while it was very nice it was just a bit on the too big side of things for my taste. I made it work for a full winter, but the standover and reach were off enough that I bought a CS-197 from Peter and could not be happier. I bought new cranks (Race Face Turbine Cinch) but moved over the post, saddle, stem, bars, brakes, wheels, tires, shifter, derailleur, and cassette. In the process I also changed to 1x10 so didn't move over the front derailleur. My wheels already had Hope hubs, so converting for the different dropouts was simple with new end caps. Note that unless your Fatboy has a Bluto, the front end is 135mm QR and the rear on a Fatboy is 190 QR (or at least those were the specs on my 2014 Fatboy). Also be advised that the fork I bought from Peter for my CS-197 had different geo from the Fatboy fork. I had little difficulty selling the Fatboy frame and fork locally.

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    Hey guys, I'm having a bit of an issue with my headset. I just finished the build but something is going on with the headset. I tightened it down properly but There is severe friction on and am unable to turn the wheel freely. I am using a bluto and a Cane Creek Forty headset. I do not recall which one it is off the top of my head at the moment, almost positive that it is the Cane Creek IS42/IS52 Tapered headset. \

    Two questions: Is this the correct headset to be using? And.....are you using a crown race on the bluto? This is frustrating to say the least. I am pretty sure I have the headset set up correctly. Just trying to pinpoint the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Hey guys, I'm having a bit of an issue with my headset. I just finished the build but something is going on with the headset. I tightened it down properly but There is severe friction on and am unable to turn the wheel freely. I am using a bluto and a Cane Creek Forty headset. I do not recall which one it is off the top of my head at the moment, almost positive that it is the Cane Creek IS42/IS52 Tapered headset. \

    Two questions: Is this the correct headset to be using? And.....are you using a crown race on the bluto? This is frustrating to say the least. I am pretty sure I have the headset set up correctly. Just trying to pinpoint the problem.
    Guessing the cap is contacting the headtube. If so you will need a shim between the top bearing and the cap. I had to add a shim on my CC 110.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    Please post photos.
    Here they are. Never realized how hard it is to capture tire/chain stay clearance! Not very clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Here they are. Never realized how hard it is to capture tire/chain stay clearance! Not very clear.
    Wow. Is this 169mm spindle, or 189? And is this a turbine cinch? What about clearance btwn crank and cs? Thx.

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    190 next sl. I adjusted spacers to move chainline close to tire in 1st gear so chain does not fall down cassette when backpedaling. Plenty of clearance between cranks and chain stays.

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    I completed the build on my CS197 a few weeks ago, but have been slow to post pics. I sold a Carver to buy it. I no longer ride fat year round, but use a 27.5+ in the non-snow months. With that in mind, I wanted to try a fat bike that had the ability to go really wide. For the frame, I bought a large, although I ordinarily ride a medium. Looking at the specs I figured that with a VERY short stem the geometry would be better than a medium for me. I only have one short ride, but it seemed to ride as expected. I have the rear wheel chip in the back setting with 100mm rims and 4.8" Vee Snowshoe XL's on there. You can see in the last picture that there is plenty of clearance, enough that I think I could run the rear wheel in the forward position if I so choose. I am not sure if the chain would clear the tire though, it just does so in it's current position. We are forecast to get some snow soon, so I'll have a more accurate sense of what it rides like then.

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    Nice. I found that my large CS-197 can run an xtra-large revelate frame bag too (the large is stretched way out and far from optimal IMO), which can pack a lot of gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    I completed the build on my CS197 a few weeks ago, but have been slow to post pics. I sold a Carver to buy it. I no longer ride fat year round, but use a 27.5+ in the non-snow months. With that in mind, I wanted to try a fat bike that had the ability to go really wide. For the frame, I bought a large, although I ordinarily ride a medium. Looking at the specs I figured that with a VERY short stem the geometry would be better than a medium for me. I only have one short ride, but it seemed to ride as expected. I have the rear wheel chip in the back setting with 100mm rims and 4.8" Vee Snowshoe XL's on there. You can see in the last picture that there is plenty of clearance, enough that I think I could run the rear wheel in the forward position if I so choose. I am not sure if the chain would clear the tire though, it just does so in it's current position. We are forecast to get some snow soon, so I'll have a more accurate sense of what it rides like then.

    Wardo
    Nice looking bike, Wardo. Since I have the same bike, also in large, I can chime in on a few things here. First, moving the chip fore/aft will change the clearance for different tire diameters and alter the wheelbase. It will have zero impact on chain clearance, but may inspire you to remove a link if moving forward. YMMV. I've run a Specialized Ground Control 4.6, Vee Snowshoe XL, and a Surly Lou in mine with the chip set to the front position. I have seen pics on this forum of our frame with Snowshoe 2XL in the back with the chip in the rear position.

    It looks like you have Race Face cranks with a direct mount front chainring. Be advised that if chainline ever becomes an issue, you can reverse mount that chainring to gain more chain clearance. And other brands of narrow-wide front rings are often available in differing amounts of offset. You can really fine tune your chain line with off the shelf options and/or move a spacer from one side of the crank spindle to the other.

    We're getting snow this weekend. Can't wait to get mine back out on the trails.

    Fred

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    Actually, in addition to the prior post I referenced on the 2XL's, Carbon Speed has pictures at the top of this page (page 41 in case this post starts a new page) with 2XL's on a CS-197.

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    Just finished my build:

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    Size Medium frame
    80mm Carbon wheels- Tubeless
    Bluto 120mm Fork
    WTB HighTail seat Titanium
    Brand X Dropper
    Next G4 Crank/Raceface 28T single ring / RF BB
    Nukeproof Pedals
    NEXT handlebar
    Shimano XT brakes/shifter/RD
    XT 11-46T Cassette
    XT rotors 203 in the front, 180 on the rear
    Maxxis Minion 4.8 tires Front and Rear

    Love this thing, rides great and feels very light.

    Anyone know what rear derailleur hanger to get for this frame? Or where to get them? Want to order a few. Also, this is not a CS-197 frame like I originally thought it was, can anyone identify the frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Just finished my CS-197 build
    Anyone know what rear derailleur hanger to get for this frame? Or where to get them? Want to order a few.
    Peter at Carbon Speed said the hangers were $8 each when I inquired about a 197 frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Just finished my CS-197 build:
    CS-197 Size Medium frame
    Next G4 Crank/Raceface 28T single ring / RF BB
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
    Could you, please, go for some more details of the Blackborrow?
    Did you successfully used it before with 2XL's?
    Which model/year/size did you have?
    Maybe some photos of your one with 2XL's is available?!
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?
    That's not a cs-197.
    I don't think the next cranks have enough offset to clear the chainstay with the 170 spindle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?
    They are the 190 (197) version.

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    So I confirmed with Peter from CS that the frame I have is NOT a CS-197. I was under the impression that it was. I bought it on ebay so I will have to contact the seller and get some hangers hopefully.

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    The Blackborrow fits 2XL's on Clownshoes easily. I have the 2016 medium version. I don't have any detail photos of the clearance. I currently have the frame on ebay (Doinksdad) if anybody's interested. I emailed Peter about my CS197 having marginal clearance for 2XL's and he informed me that the closeout model is different from the current model. Rather than eating $200 in back and forth shipping, I trimmed 2mm of knobs from one side and it clears (literally by a hair) at 6 PSI which is as high as I would ever run these tires.

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    Carbon Speed new shopping mall: Fat Bike Frame/Wheels/Rim

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    Nice looking bike, Wardo. Since I have the same bike, also in large, I can chime in on a few things here. First, moving the chip fore/aft will change the clearance for different tire diameters and alter the wheelbase. It will have zero impact on chain clearance, but may inspire you to remove a link if moving forward. YMMV. I've run a Specialized Ground Control 4.6, Vee Snowshoe XL, and a Surly Lou in mine with the chip set to the front position. I have seen pics on this forum of our frame with Snowshoe 2XL in the back with the chip in the rear position.

    It looks like you have Race Face cranks with a direct mount front chainring. Be advised that if chainline ever becomes an issue, you can reverse mount that chainring to gain more chain clearance. And other brands of narrow-wide front rings are often available in differing amounts of offset. You can really fine tune your chain line with off the shelf options and/or move a spacer from one side of the crank spindle to the other.

    We're getting snow this weekend. Can't wait to get mine back out on the trails.

    Fred
    Thanks Fred. We have had snow and I've had a chance to take a real ride on it. I loved everything about it. I was riding tight technical snow covered singletrack and didn't find the chips being set in the rear to be a hindrance. I was also impressed with the climbing. I expected more wheelspin given the long effective CS, but it hooked up fine. I don't think I'll change a thing.
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    Happy with my new fatbike ...

    After riding a Kona Wo fatbike for a while, I'm really addicted. I took my Kona to the Alps to climb 9.000 meters in just 5 days. I hardly ever rode on my 29er since I bought my fatbike and therefore I sold my Cannondale F29 to be able to build up a new light fatbike.

    After some investigation and some advise on this forum I decided to go for the new 2017 CS-197 frame, the FK019 fork and the FHR80C-35 rims from Xiamen Carbon Speed. I also was in contact with Peter and got all my questions answered quickly. Also the delivery to The Netherlands went smooth. After I received the track & trace code from Peter, it took exactly 7 for the package to be ready for pickup. Our local PostNL postal service handled the necessary customs procedure.

    Please find my component list below:

    Frame: Carbon Speed CS-197 (UD Carbon)
    Fork: Carbon Speed FK019 (UD Carbon)
    Crank: Hope Fatsno 120mm/175mm (32t Hope oval spiderless chainring)
    Bottom Bracket: Hope BBSS30C
    Pedals: Crankbrothers Mallet E
    Chain: SRAM XX1 11sp
    Cassette: Hope Cassette 10t-44t
    Derailleur: SRAM X01 2.1 11sp
    Shifter: SRAM X01 Gripshift 11sp
    Brakes: Hope Tech 3 E4
    Rotor front: Hope Floating Rotor 180mm
    Rotor rear: Hope Floating Rotor 160mm
    Headset: Cane Creek 40 Short Cover (IS42/28.6 | IS52/40)
    Handlebar: Pro Tharsis XC Riser 15mm (UD carbon)
    Stem: Hope AM FR MTB Stem 31.8 70mm
    Seatstay: Pro Tharsis XC UD Carbon
    Seatstay clamp: Hope Seat Clamp 34,9mm
    Grips: SRAM X01 Gripshift + Hope Gripdoctor
    Zadel: Fizik Tundra M3
    Front Hub: Hope Fatsno Pro4 150mmx15mm
    Rear Hub: Hope Fatsno Pro4 197mmx12mm
    Spokes: Sapim
    Rims: Carbon Speed FHR80C-35 (UD Carbon)
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Jumbo Jim 26x4.8"
    Rear Tire: Schwalbe Jumbo Jim 26x4.8"
    Color: Matt Black UD Carbon with Orange Decals
    Size: L (19Ē)
    Extraís: 2 x Pro UD Carbon bottle cages

    I'm very happy with the end result and so far I received only positive comments ...

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    I built on the same frame for my wife.



    Frame: Carbon Speed CS-197 15,5"
    Fork: VPACE CFAT
    Seatpost: from Ali (222 г)
    Seatclamp: Sixpack Racing Cock Ring black
    Handlebar: BXT HB-001 31,8х720 (122 г)
    Stem: Radon Stem Light 70mm (95 г)
    Headset: Ritchey Comp Drop In Taper IS42/IS52 10mm
    Break disk: Shimano XT Disc Rotor SM-RT81M 180mm Center Lock
    Break: Shimano Deore Disc Brake BR-M506 Set
    Saddle: Ergon SFC3-S Evo Gel Fitness
    Grips: Lizard Skins DSP Grip 32.3mm
    Crankset: Race Face Turbine 170 for 190
    Bottom Brackets: Race Face Cinch - BSA30 Bottom Bracket Cups - BSA-100-30
    Chainring: Wolftooth 30t Chainring for RaceFace Cinch Boost
    Cassette: SunRace MX8 11-speed Cassette 11-42
    Chain: KMC X11EL Silver Chain
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT 11-speed Rear Derailleur RD-M8000 GS Shadow+
    Shifter: Shimano XT 11-speed Rapidfire PLUS SL-M8000
    Tyres: Schwalbe Jumbo Jim Evo 26x4.80" LiteSkin Set
    Hubs: DT Swiss Classic 350 Big
    Spoke: Sapim Laser
    Rims: Nextie Xiphias NXT26XS85 PREMIUM 85mm

    Weight: 11 kg

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    I just got shipping confirmation for 2 CS-197 frames (his & her). Now it's time to buy components! This is my first build so I have a few questions:

    1. I noticed most hydraulic brakes come pre-assembled. Is this the way to go? If so, how much hose should I look for? (Bluto 120 in front)

    2. Are any additional adapters needed to run a 160mm rotor in the rear?

    3. Which chainring has good flexibility for manipulating the chainline? I have Surly Bud (hopefully tubeless), Sram Eagle Drivetrain, Raceface Next SL Cranks.

    4. Has anyone had success going tubeless with Carbonspeed 80mmX35mm rims and Bud/Lou combo? Any tricks? Should I tape over the spoke holes?

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    1. Just buy one rear and one front brake. You will get a 1700mm and 1000mm hose respectively. You will have to take the rear lever off anyways to route the hose through the frame and you will need to trim them both anyways. Always trim from the lever side. Makes re-bleeding them easier. Go shimano if you want to do it yourself as their bleed process is much simpler

    2. No

    3. You can adjust spacers on the spindle to move it back and forth in the frame. Moving them from one side of the BB to the other will adjust your chainline. If you go with a standard 6mm offset chainring (non boost) you should be fine. I prefer the snaggletooth by blackspire over the RF ones as the teeth are longer and hold better.

    4. No personal experience but the rim should not be a problem it would be up to the tires. Lots of people have great success with the bud/Lou combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    I prefer the snaggletooth by blackspire over the RF ones as the teeth are longer and hold better.
    Thanks for the suggestion. Their website doesn't say 12 speed compatible. I assume it would work though. Do you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jslc View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion. Their website doesn't say 12 speed compatible. I assume it would work though. Do you agree?
    I take it back. It does say 12 speed compatible.

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    Hi

    I got my CS-197 frame a week before Christmas. It takes only ony week to get the frame in my hands. Thanks Peter!!!

    In the meantime I have ridden around 200km and I'm still very happy with my fatbike.

    The frame is very nice finished. Everything works perfect. Nothing to complain. The only thing which could be better is the color of the fork. It doesn't match the frames color.. And I also have to remove some resin on the forks bearing support surface. But for me it's not a big deal.

    I use the following components:
    SRAM GX Eagle Fat5 Direct Mount GXP 12-sped crank
    SRAM GX Eagle derailleur 12-speed
    SRAM GX Eagle XG-1275 cassette
    SRAM GX Eagle gripshift
    Shimano XT brakes trail
    180mm ICE Tec brake disc
    12 R.BAR STYLO T40 R25 31.8 700 BLACK TRUVATIV
    Truativ 40mm Stem
    BBB Cycling Seatpost
    DT Swiss Big Ride 2250 wheels
    Schwalbe Jumbo Jim 4.8"

    Weight around 12kg

    And a few pictures:

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    buckker, what size is this frame?

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    So I'm considering replacing my aging aluminum fatbike frame with something carbon. I'd like to re-use my wheels if possible. They are 170r/135f - are there any frame options still supporting this?

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    @ AlexSh it's a 21" frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    So I'm considering replacing my aging aluminum fatbike frame with something carbon. I'd like to re-use my wheels if possible. They are 170r/135f - are there any frame options still supporting this?
    Check your hubs. They may offer extenders or spacers to go 190r/150f so you have more options.

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    I finished my CS-197 build last week and used a stealth dropper. I hadn't seen anyone with an internally routed dropper so I thought I'd post some details.

    I used an e*Thirteen TRS+ 125mm. I went with that post since it's 100% mechanical and should work the same in any temperature. The 125mm seems to fit my medium frame (17.5") perfectly.

    Routing the housing was easy:

    First, get some string and a plastic grocery sack.
    Cut or rip off a section of the sack.
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    Next, tie the string to the section of sack.
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    Stuff the sack into the front of the frame where you want the cable to be routed. I chose the hole on the right side.
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    Place a vacuum at the seatpost and let it suck! You may have to guide the string into the front of the bike. If your vacuum is not getting enough airflow, you may need to remove your steer tube and make sure your bottom bracket is installed.
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    Your string should appear at the seatpost.
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    The last step is to remove the plastic bag, tape some cable housing to the string (or whatever actuator you're using), and gently pull the string while pushing the housing until it emerges from the front of the frame.
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    Could someone direct me to anyone who has built a full suspension xm carbon speed fattie build or page I've reached but only find 29er. Thanks!

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    My new CS197




















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    This is custom from our local styling studio with my own painting scheme

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    What to do when things go pear shaped... patience

    I've done prior business with Peter at CarbonSpeed always with good results... two sets of wheels and a frame that are great quality. Like many, I was always a little wary of long-distance transactions like this and wondered what might happen if things go awry. Recently, I found out...

    My last purchase was a set of 26' Fat wheels that were to come with orange painted rims and black hubs for a black with orange highlights Bucksaw I am building up for my bride.
    Imagine my surprise when 30days later I received the fat orange rims with Red hubs and spoke nipples. Seriously Fugly they were.

    Peter immediately offered to send Black replacement parts and I keep the Red ones as "gifts". But with no need for red hubs and facing a pricey local wheel rebuild, that wouldn't work at all.
    We settled on getting the black hubs shipped in ASAP (2 weeks transit, Ugh!) and sending the red take-offs back once they were rebuilt, with reimbursement for the cost to rebuild the wheels locally, even if I couldn't get it done for $9USD per wheel like he can in China.

    Due to the US-China transit time, the error took longer than hoped to resolve but CS product is top-drawer.

    Peter was good to his word and I'll be doing more business with CarbonSpeed in the future.

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    There's lots of great information here. I pulled the trigger on a CS-197, this will be my first fat bike.

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    Still going, CS-197, that is all.


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    He folks,

    nice and very informative forum here.
    I need the rear derailleur hanger for the dropouts for my CS-197 Fatbike Frame. Is anyone able to help me? I wrote Peter an email to his several email accounts but didn't get an answer yet.

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    No one an idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobike200 View Post
    Could someone direct me to anyone who has built a full suspension xm carbon speed fattie build or page I've reached but only find 29er. Thanks!
    I have a CS-001 and could not be more in love, I donít ride my other bikes anymore, 4 season FS fatty dose it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    No one an idea?
    email wheelsmfg.com
    They are pretty good at helping out

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    Danke, Junge! So I'll do.

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    He folks, Peter answered me and offered quick help what concerns the dereilleur hanger.
    Is anyone able to say which adapter do I need for the back? Want to install a 180 mm disc from Hope. For the front I used a adapter from PM 160 to 180 mm.
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    The rear is 160 PM, so you need 160 to 180.
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    Looking at jumping aboard. Anybody have a Readers Digest version of the important/relevant posts in the past 40 pages? I have built a few bikes up in my lifetime but only every 10+ years or so. By that time everything changes. What was standard 5 years ago is obsolete today. i.e. Sram has a DUB crankset they are currently pushing as the new standard. Maybe?, maybenot.

    Anyway I am looking at 1x12 and my main concern is getting chainline optimization. I am planning on a 197/150 build.

    Although I have good history with Shimano, I believe I will be doing mainly Sram drivetrain and Shimano brakes. (Even though Shimano is coming out with their 1x12 version "soon". ) Ice Tech brakes with metallic pads are unrivalled IMHO.

    The only real chainline info I found is here in a quote from earlier in this thread.
    "If you read back a couple pages I just answered that. The 100mm bottom brackets with 190/197 rear need a bunch of spacers. With the 120mm bottom bracket you need less spacers. BUT... there was an issue with Rockshox(sic prolly meant Raceface) not including the correct spacers, but if you contact them they will send out. Otherwise mine has been working just fine and chain-line is great using one 2.5mm BB spacer on non drive side, and then one of their 11.5mm spindle spacers on drive side. With a 100mm BB you need both 11.5 spacers on each side, plus all 3 BB spacers. The spindles are the same length for both a 100mm BB, 120mm BB, 190 rear, or 197 rear. Its just a matter of spacer"

    Thanks in advance for any up to date advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The rear is 160 PM, so you need 160 to 180.
    Okay, thanks Jayem. But as you can see I don't have the little piece as shown on the picture. Who can help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Okay, thanks Jayem. But as you can see I don't have the little piece as shown on the picture. Who can help?
    You need that part, it's supposed to come with the frame. The purpose is so you can run the brake in the forward or rear dropout position.
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    Yes, I know. But it got lost somehow. I let the frame painted and cannot say whether it was on the frame before - like the plastic clips for example. In any case it is not there. Shit.

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    Has anyone this piece left or some measures for me?
    Maybe I'll tinker some by myself. Maybe with the help of this:
    https://r2-bike.com/SHIMANO-Adapter-...SABEgLKd_D_BwE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Has anyone this piece left or some measures for me?
    Maybe I'll tinker some by myself. Maybe with the help of this:
    https://r2-bike.com/SHIMANO-Adapter-...SABEgLKd_D_BwE
    Am I to understand that XM Carbonspeed can not get this part for you?
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    No, they cannot.

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    I've read/heard that mtrbtools.com is pretty good at making custom things. Maybe reach out to him and see what he can do? otherwise a friend that has a machine shop nearby?

    You may be onto something with the shimano flat mount brake adaptor, but I think you might not have the adjustability options with that. but for $20 it is probably your easiest best shot even if it doesn't work.
    Silly bike things happening.

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    Is Carbonspeed the main Chinese manufacturer in full suspension fat bike frames. That will deal with DIY'ers?

    And while we're at it... Can someone enlighten me as to their linkage design versus the design that is used on Pivot or Trek? What is the name of this linkage?

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    Any deals on a carbon frame & rigid fork right now? I'm looking for a 26"x4.8 compatible frame. I saw the post on the FM197 for $350 and emailed xmcarbon speed. Thanks in advance !

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    Been watching and reading this thread for sometime now...

    Three questions for the group -
    1) Anyone running alternative fork to the carbon one or a Bluto? Lefty Olaf? Any insights as to whether the Manitou Mastodon will clear the down tube?
    2) Been emailing with Peter and got the following response to a question regarding brake rotor sizes: "Yes, you can use 180mm disc front, but maybe you need adaptor spacer" Slighty strange answer... 180 in the front, 160 in the back and everything is read to go is my understanding
    3) Back to the BTM bracket and spacing question (I know, again)... anyone recommended part numbers?

    Thanks for the inclusion!

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    Hey guys trolling this thread and others for a bit.
    Was looking at an ICAN SN01 to build up and am ready to pull the trigger.

    I like the geometry better than the CS bikes listed.

    Was hoping to fit it up with 12spd GX eagle cassette derailer shifter and chain.
    speaking with one of the reps he inidcated that the GX eagle won't fit that frame!?

    I couldn't get a technical explanation due to the language barrier too much gets lost in translation. but it leaves me confused on what will and won't work for a groupset.

    can anyone enlighten me on the potential fitment issues.
    Or is this just more translational confusion.

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    they are, as far as Ive been able to find only two wheels exist that will fit 190x12 rear, hope and dt swiss, kind of a pain to be so limited in wheel options.
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    Looks like a 190mm rear spacing

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    Heres my FM190

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    Here is my FM190, built up. Just a word of caution with these frames, I originally built this up as a 27.5+ my first ride I went off a small jump and sliced my rear axle in half which caused my wheel to crank over and it cracked my seat stay. These companies in china are very quick to reply to you about a sale, but when it comes to a warranty issue they are all of the sudden absent. I could never get them to reply about a replacement to an obvious factory defect with there axle, so I got a carbon patch kit and fixed it myself. Pretty lame, so yes they are definitely cheap, and for the most part decent frames, since I fixed my stay, Ive ridden this frame a lot and never had any other issues, but just be aware the price point comes with some risks. Also my frame is 190 spaced in the rear which makes it a major Pain to find a wheel that fits, over my research I only found two hubs that come in that size, Hope Fatsno, and DT Swiss Big ride, and figuring out what adapters you need to buy is not easy, I had to do a shit ton of research to accomplish that. But here it is, the fork is also a chinese produced carbon bike part, but it was only a 100 bucks and is the lightest fork I've ever seen. Wheels DT Swiss, the rest pretty much all carbon, size medium comes in at a hair over 26 pounds tubeless with Dillinger 5's!

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    Hey man, is there any way you could tell me what frame bag you have there and what size your frame is? looks like it fits perfectly, I have a medium frame and am trying to figure out what frame bag I an buy that will fit it?
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    Does anyone know what frame bag would fit a size medium FM190? Looking to purchase a production frame bag and I figured some one from this thread had found a few good options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fattyrider38 View Post

    Here is my FM190, built up. Just a word of caution with these frames, I originally built this up as a 27.5+ my first ride I went off a small jump and sliced my rear axle in half which caused my wheel to crank over and it cracked my seat stay. These companies in china are very quick to reply to you about a sale, but when it comes to a warranty issue they are all of the sudden absent. I could never get them to reply about a replacement to an obvious factory defect with there axle, so I got a carbon patch kit and fixed it myself. Pretty lame, so yes they are definitely cheap, and for the most part decent frames, since I fixed my stay, Ive ridden this frame a lot and never had any other issues, but just be aware the price point comes with some risks. Also my frame is 190 spaced in the rear which makes it a major Pain to find a wheel that fits, over my research I only found two hubs that come in that size, Hope Fatsno, and DT Swiss Big ride, and figuring out what adapters you need to buy is not easy, I had to do a shit ton of research to accomplish that. But here it is, the fork is also a chinese produced carbon bike part, but it was only a 100 bucks and is the lightest fork I've ever seen. Wheels DT Swiss, the rest pretty much all carbon, size medium comes in at a hair over 26 pounds tubeless with Dillinger 5's!
    Good info to know. Thanks! I am not sure that you can lump all "these companies" together but Dengfu is duly noted as lacking in the warranty dept. in my book. Nice to hear you made it work. I googled "bike carbon repair" and I see a few u-tubes on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHYGIN1969 View Post
    Been watching and reading this thread for sometime now...

    Three questions for the group -
    1) Anyone running alternative fork to the carbon one or a Bluto? Lefty Olaf? Any insights as to whether the Manitou Mastodon will clear the down tube?
    2) Been emailing with Peter and got the following response to a question regarding brake rotor sizes: "Yes, you can use 180mm disc front, but maybe you need adaptor spacer" Slighty strange answer... 180 in the front, 160 in the back and everything is read to go is my understanding
    3) Back to the BTM bracket and spacing question (I know, again)... anyone recommended part numbers?

    Thanks for the inclusion!
    There is indeed a confusing array of "adapter spacers" out there to make the 180 disc fit the standard 160. I see Jensen has one for $6.99 but I am not sure if it is the correct one for your application. Hoping perhaps a veteran builder will chime in
    with the exact specs needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fattyrider38 View Post
    Hey man, is there any way you could tell me what frame bag you have there and what size your frame is? looks like it fits perfectly, I have a medium frame and am trying to figure out what frame bag I an buy that will fit it?
    Itís an Evoc, but it doesnít fit fatbike wheels, fatbike frames barely fit, I use it with my other bikes. Supposedly they do make a larger bag for fat bikes, although 90-100 rims are huge and Iíve heard of people taking them as carry-ons. Otherwise, the Evoc bag works awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHYGIN1969 View Post
    Been watching and reading this thread for sometime now...

    Three questions for the group -
    1) Anyone running alternative fork to the carbon one or a Bluto? Lefty Olaf? Any insights as to whether the Manitou Mastodon will clear the down tube?
    2) Been emailing with Peter and got the following response to a question regarding brake rotor sizes: "Yes, you can use 180mm disc front, but maybe you need adaptor spacer" Slighty strange answer... 180 in the front, 160 in the back and everything is read to go is my understanding
    3) Back to the BTM bracket and spacing question (I know, again)... anyone recommended part numbers?

    Thanks for the inclusion!
    Brake adapters are specific to the brakes, not the frame/fork, except that there are sometimes max sizes that if you go over, would put too much stress on the system. It sounds like you are looking for brake adapters for your brakes?
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    I am looking to understand if this is a straight forward flat mount... shimano (say, XT) or there is a set of adapters needed. Looks like a basic flat mount. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    So far my CS-197 has been really good. Clears a Mastodon no problem.

    Currently using 29x3 wheels with the axle in the forward position, 26x4.8" Vee snow avalanche tires on 90mm rims have lots of space with the axle in the forward position.

    I really wish Vee would make a bigger snow avalanche or Surly would come out with a bigger bud with decent sidewalls, probably end up cutting down some 2xl's.
    Which Mastodon are you running? I'm curious about the impact to the geometry with so many variations available.

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    What's the correct A-C length for the CS-197? I'm trying to choose which Mastodon fork to purchase, and I don't want to screw up the geometry too much.

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    Thanks one and all who went before to inspire me to do this build. Way more fun than just dropping down a wad of cash at the LBS. Almost done, still waiting on a few small items. 25 lbs so far.

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    Is the white lettering too gaudy? Maybe I'll try black on the other side.

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    First, I appreciate the ID number on your fork -bike looks great!

    I have a question about the frame. Which frame is it? It looks like it has sliding drop outs, does it? (on second look, it may be an illusion from the shadow of the TA nut making it look as if it has sliding dropouts. Is it a CS197 frame)

    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    Thanks one and all who went before to inspire me to do this build. Way more fun than just dropping down a wad of cash at the LBS. Almost done, still waiting on a few small items. 25 lbs so far.

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    Yes CS197 from Peter Xu. Sliding dropouts? yes. You have 2 choices on where to insert your thru axle. I put it in the rear hole...(wait... that almost sounds dirty). I now see no real reason to use the rear position, maybe if you like steep climbing ability or higher sprint speeds on hardpack. The shorter chainstay, the more agile the frame will be in singletrack conditions, and closer resemble MTB geometry. Mine has 1.5" of room in front of my BFL tire. Even a XXL Snowshoe only get 3/4" larger in radius. I will just try the longer position for a while before I shorten the chain and reset the "b-gap" of the Sram drivetrain.
    Edit: Oh, and I will have to move the dual piston rear brake caliper forward as well, there were additional tapped holes in the adapter supplied by Peter.
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    What I need now is a rear axle. I cannot find the right one on the internet. Even aliexpress doesn't have it. Only 235 mm.
    Can anyone help, please? Mine is defect.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carb...20281b3fnmJyjV

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    Even a XXL Snowshoe only get 3/4" larger in radius. I will just try the longer position for a while before I shorten the chain and reset the "b-gap" of the Sram drivetrain.
    The Johnny 5 wouldn't fit without rubbing unless I used the rearward position.
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    contact the company that made your frame.
    that's not at all standard.
    where do you even get a rear hub?

    I googled 235mm rear hub and found this for an axel:
    HD High Tensile 15mm Axle, 235mm Rear Axle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    What I need now is a rear axle. I cannot find the right one on the internet. Even aliexpress doesn't have it. Only 235 mm.
    Can anyone help, please? Mine is defect.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carb...20281b3fnmJyjV

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    Try contacting Robert axle project.
    https://robertaxleproject.com/thunde...les-fat-bikes/

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    anyone know for sure if these come with the rear axle? I would think so but it doesn't say

    Thanks

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26er-15-5-S...53.m1438.l2649

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    Quote Originally Posted by ator View Post
    anyone know for sure if these come with the rear axle? I would think so but it doesn't say

    Thanks

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26er-15-5-S...53.m1438.l2649
    Did you try to contact the seller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rango View Post
    contact the company that made your frame.
    that's not at all standard.
    where do you even get a rear hub?

    I googled 235mm rear hub and found this for an axel:
    HD High Tensile 15mm Axle, 235mm Rear Axle
    235 mm is not enough as I wrote above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    235 mm is not enough as I wrote above.
    It might help if you said how long you need the axle to be and the threads it requires. What bike you have will also help.

    Tim

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    Robert axle project isn't able to help me. I need something about 255 mm - as shown in the picture.
    I have this frame:

    CS-197 NEW Two position dropout Fat Bike Frame CS-197 - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Robert axle project isn't able to help me. I need something about 255 mm - as shown in the picture.
    I have this frame:

    CS-197 NEW Two position dropout Fat Bike Frame CS-197 - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd
    You need to get that from Peter / Carbonspeed. Expecially if yours is defective because he should cover it under warranty.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    You need to get that from Peter / Carbonspeed. Expecially if yours is defective because he should cover it under warranty.
    Did anyone hear something from Peter? I don't get an answer although I tried several times since January. Last mail is from 03.01.2019.
    Is he alive? Peter, if you read this...I need you. It is getting summer now and I need that goddamn axle (260 mm).

    Bye

    Jens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Did anyone hear something from Peter? I don't get an answer although I tried several times since January. Last mail is from 03.01.2019.
    Is he alive? Peter, if you read this...I need you. It is getting summer now and I need that goddamn axle (260 mm).

    Bye

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    He replied to an email of mine on Feb 11th
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    You lucky guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Did anyone hear something from Peter? I don't get an answer although I tried several times since January. Last mail is from 03.01.2019.
    Is he alive? Peter, if you read this...I need you. It is getting summer now and I need that goddamn axle (260 mm).

    Bye

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    Good luck.
    I sent emails to all his accounts listed when I wanted to buy a CS197.
    I got 1 vague reply 2 weeks later.....and I moved on.

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    Chinese Carbon fatty-sn01.jpg

    Another ICAN SN01. M size. Frame fits Jumbo Jim 4.8 on 90mm rim without any problems.

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    Is there a link to buy a fully built FM190? Thanks in advance.

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    Hey guys,

    is there a chinese frame that is comparable or at least comes close to the Otso Voytek, as in having a 83mm BB and 170/177 rear and most importantly enabling a >190mm Q-factor (with the right cranks obviously) while still clearing 4.6" tires?
    I did some research on this topic but didn't find anything because getting a grip on all the different carbon frames got my head spinning..
    My knees can't handle the Q-factors of most frames, my wallet can't handle the Voytek's price and I fear going full OCD with a custom titanium frame and then screwing up a detail because I didn't do my homework. :-(

    Thanks in advance for any recommendations.

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    I've been corresponding with Peter at CarbonSpeed regarding a purchase (CS197 frame). He's been quick to respond. Did he ever get back to you, Jens? I may reconsider if support is nonexistent.

    Also, has anyone purchased a frame or wheels since the new 25% tarriff? Do we get an assessment that has to be paid when the shipment arrives stateside in addition to the purchase price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00steven View Post
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    Also, has anyone purchased a frame or wheels since the new 25% tarriff? Do we get an assessment that has to be paid when the shipment arrives stateside in addition to the purchase price?
    I purchased some rims recently. No tariff, but they were marked as promotional. Not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00steven View Post
    Also, has anyone purchased a frame or wheels since the new 25% tarriff? Do we get an assessment that has to be paid when the shipment arrives stateside in addition to the purchase price?
    I recently got stuff from Ali Express with no tariff imposed. This stuff is all small potatoes compared to boatloads of shipping containers with "bills of Lading" etc. The government can be slow at things. Especially if they keep changing the tariffs. Imagine if the Mexico tariff was actually implemented. Everyone who came across the border with a $10 Mexican blanket they purchased would be assessed. Talk about a slowdown.

    I am not sure there is any system setup to currently monitor this. I bought a $250 bike jacket from Spain about 5 years ago and it did trip the "$200 or over" limit in place at that time and I was assessed something by DHL. When getting stuff in the past from Canada thru USPS, there was no fee but with UPS there was a fee. I sometimes see a lower "estimated value" or "gift" printed on the outside on small packages I receive from China thru Ali, so they are used to finding ways to bypass the system for other countries like UK VAT etc.

    Peter (Carbonspeed) seems to be a straight shooter from my personal experience and all that I have read, so you should ask him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00steven View Post
    I've been corresponding with Peter at CarbonSpeed regarding a purchase (CS197 frame). He's been quick to respond. Did he ever get back to you, Jens? I may reconsider if support is nonexistent.

    Also, has anyone purchased a frame or wheels since the new 25% tarriff? Do we get an assessment that has to be paid when the shipment arrives stateside in addition to the purchase price?
    Peter never wrote back since the time of point when I needed the axle.
    When I needed the rear dropout hanger (as written some pages back) he was also uncontactable at first because he had an operation. After that he quickly wrote back and could help.

    Maybe I take some enduro-stuff now. The Project is waiting for the axle since December.

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    Are any of these bikes compatible with being set up as 27.5 'fat'? I have been pining for a used Farley 5, but struggling to find one in XL. After coming across this thread, i was excited by the prospect of building up my own fatbike for probably a few hundred more, but having it exactly as i wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    Are any of these bikes compatible with being set up as 27.5 'fat'? I have been pining for a used Farley 5, but struggling to find one in XL. After coming across this thread, i was excited by the prospect of building up my own fatbike for probably a few hundred more, but having it exactly as i wanted.
    Had one of my Fatbike setup with 650B and rode real nice so Yes you can set it up with 27.5 but if you're going to set it up that way, may as well get yourself a Plus frame with Boost configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash04 View Post
    Had one of my Fatbike setup with 650B and rode real nice so Yes you can set it up with 27.5 but if you're going to set it up that way, may as well get yourself a Plus frame with Boost configuration.
    So overall there is no issue running a 27.5*4.5 wheel/tire on a bike specified as a 26" fat? Would a 27.5*4.5 fit in a plus frame? I didn't think it would...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    So overall there is no issue running a 27.5*4.5 wheel/tire on a bike specified as a 26" fat? Would a 27.5*4.5 fit in a plus frame? I didn't think it would...
    Doubt seriously that it would fit. I had 3" on 27.5 and fit with perhaps a .25" of play on each side. Should be OK on the 26" Fat but need to check frame's measurements

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    Hi, I'm trying to order 2 new derailleur hangers for my CS-197 from Peter at XMCarbonSpeed without success. Reading the topic about his operation above I hope is doing fine. Was anyone able to get in touch with him recently? I'm very happy with my CS-197 and have some events planned for later this year and the beginning of next year. Is there someone else who sells these hangers? Is there maybe a 100% compatible hanger available. Thanks in advance for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty van de Korput View Post
    Hi, I'm trying to order 2 new derailleur hangers for my CS-197 from Peter at XMCarbonSpeed without success. Reading the topic about his operation above I hope is doing fine. Was anyone able to get in touch with him recently? I'm very happy with my CS-197 and have some events planned for later this year and the beginning of next year. Is there someone else who sells these hangers? Is there maybe a 100% compatible hanger available. Thanks in advance for your response.
    I have been in touch with him recently, but certainly not in the response time that I expected after reading this thread. I was ready to pull the trigger and order a frame/fork/wheels, but I backed away after the very slow and incomplete responses.
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    I'm also planning to build a full suspension bike and I'm considering a CS-001 frameset, since I'm very happy with my CS-197 frameset. But I'm trying to get in touch with them for over 4 weeks now, so I will reconsider my options. When I bought my CS-197 frameset in 2017, the response times were super fast. I was very happy with the quick responses to all my questions and also the quick delivery time. I don't know what happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty van de Korput View Post
    I'm also planning to build a full suspension bike and I'm considering a CS-001 frameset, since I'm very happy with my CS-197 frameset. But I'm trying to get in touch with them for over 4 weeks now, so I will reconsider my options. When I bought my CS-197 frameset in 2017, the response times were super fast. I was very happy with the quick responses to all my questions and also the quick delivery time. I don't know what happened?
    My guess is that the market dropped out. Everybody who wanted a carbon fatty bought one... just a few of us stragglers left. Kind of like GoPro, everybody who wanted one already owns one. Very few people need 2.

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    How much are these carbon frames going for currently? I take these are all 26x4 at least? But, I take it can run 27.5x3.2 if need be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funoutside View Post
    How much are these carbon frames going for currently? I take these are all 26x4 at least? But, I take it can run 27.5x3.2 if need be?
    You can buy the CS-197 here directly from the manufacturer.

    Given pretty much any fat bike frame (all?!) can run 26x4 and that 27.5x3.2 tires have a similar diameter (<750mm) nor are they wider, I would say you are safe regarding this tire size with pretty much all available frames, especially the CS-197 that allows to run 5" tires at 790mm diameter.
    You should look at the bottom bracket height with those frames designed around tires with a bigger diameter when you run 27.5x3.2 (or 26x4) though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    You can buy the CS-197 here directly from the manufacturer.

    Given pretty much any fat bike frame (all?!) can run 26x4 and that 27.5x3.2 tires have a similar diameter (<750mm) nor are they wider, I would say you are safe regarding this tire size with pretty much all available frames, especially the CS-197 that allows to run 5" tires at 790mm diameter.
    You should look at the bottom bracket height with those frames designed around tires with a bigger diameter when you run 27.5x3.2 (or 26x4) though.
    Yeah, this is bit bizarre? Ordering direct is whatís I thought we all did?

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    I have a Deng Fu FM191 size medium. I find the cockpit cramped, even with a long stem (120mm?), and rear tire clearance is tight at the chainstays (4.8 Lou on 105mm Nextie rims). I am considering switching to a CS-197.

    Should I get a large? I am 5'10, with about a 32" inseam.

    Can anyone with the same tire & rim width combo as me comment on tire clearance? I read one post in this thread that said 2XL snowshoes on 100mm rims fit, and another that says they don't. The website says it will fit tires up to 5.05". I am running a smaller tire, but a wider rim.

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    Is there any of these models that can work with drops bars, kind of like the Framed Alaskan?

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    To follow up on my last post: I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a large (19.5") CS-197 frame. I also purchased a new handlebar, stem and seatpost. The order was shipped about 2 days after I made the purchase online, and arrived 2 days ago. I put the bike together yesterday afternoon and rode last night.

    So the 4.8 Lou tire on 105 mm Nextie rim fit fine in the rear axle position. I tried moving it to the forward position and it was obvious it was either going to rub or not have enough clearance, so rear position it is. It looks to have about 10mm or more of clearance at the chainstays and seatstays and even more at the seat tube. Photos to follow.

    I definitely feel more at home on the large frame. I don't know what I was thinking riding a medium frame with a crazy long stem. I have way more confidence descending and riding technical stuff. I notice less self-steer on the CS-197 than on the medium FM-191 I just came from. I am guessing the wider bars and less weight distributed to the front tire help explain that.

    I like the internal cable routing solution on the CS-197. The holes for the cables have plastic inserts that you can temporarily pop out of the way to allow more room to fish the cable through. You can run a full cable housing for the rear derailleur. I like that. The FM-191 was set up for a bare shifter cable inside the frame and had dedicated channels so you had no choice of which side of the head tube the cables passed by.

    What does everyone do with the metal plate inserts for the rear axle? Do you glue them in place? With epoxy? The rear thru-axle is holding them in place for now, but I would like a permanent solution. I don't want the plates falling off and getting lost in the snow if I have to remove the rear wheel for some reason.

    A few small complaints:

    1) The rear axle wasn't threaded deep enough to obtain a good clamp when the nut was screwed on all the way and the lever closed. I had to use a washer to obtain a good clamp.

    2) The bike shipped with 4 small bolts. I figured out that 2 of the bolts are used to affix the brake adapter to the frame. What are the other two bolts for? Spares?

    3) The holes for the water bottle carriers were missing bolts.

    4) I broke the seat post on the first ride. To be fair, I was taking the bike off a small jump and came down hard on the seat, so I wasn't surprised when it broke. I had the exact same design seatpost on my FM-191 and I also broke that. Fortunately, I have a Thomson seat post that fits.

    Photos to follow....
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    Hi Ray,

    Were you recently in contact with XM Carbon Speed? Who did you communicate with? I'm trying to get in touch with them for months now through all possible channels (different email addresses, their web form, WhatsApp, forum, etc.). I would like to order a new set of axles and two derailleur hangers. Apparently they are not interested to help out once you've bought a frame. I'm really disappointed. I was considering buying more frames from them, but with his level of service I will move on.

    I have a CS-197 in size L as well since approximately two years. I did more than 10.000 km so far and the frame has been great. I rode different marathons, took the bike to the Alps, etc. I do recognize your first point though. I also use two washers to get the axle to close correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puchcobra View Post
    Hmm never noticed but he's a troll I only use links with info not spam, check out his history with the reputation thread?!?
    I have a frame from peter's company it's a nice frame. I know many, including this site, consider him a troll but I have no idea what that evidence is based on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray.vermette View Post
    To follow up on my last post: I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a large (19.5") CS-197 frame. I also purchased a new handlebar, stem and seatpost. The order was shipped about 2 days after I made the purchase online, and arrived 2 days ago. I put the bike together yesterday afternoon and rode last night.

    So the 4.8 Lou tire on 105 mm Nextie rim fit fine in the rear axle position. I tried moving it to the forward position and it was obvious it was either going to rub or not have enough clearance, so rear position it is. It looks to have about 10mm or more of clearance at the chainstays and seatstays and even more at the seat tube. Photos to follow.

    I definitely feel more at home on the large frame. I don't know what I was thinking riding a medium frame with a crazy long stem. I have way more confidence descending and riding technical stuff. I notice less self-steer on the CS-197 than on the medium FM-191 I just came from. I am guessing the wider bars and less weight distributed to the front tire help explain that.

    I like the internal cable routing solution on the CS-197. The holes for the cables have plastic inserts that you can temporarily pop out of the way to allow more room to fish the cable through. You can run a full cable housing for the rear derailleur. I like that. The FM-191 was set up for a bare shifter cable inside the frame and had dedicated channels so you had no choice of which side of the head tube the cables passed by.

    What does everyone do with the metal plate inserts for the rear axle? Do you glue them in place? With epoxy? The rear thru-axle is holding them in place for now, but I would like a permanent solution. I don't want the plates falling off and getting lost in the snow if I have to remove the rear wheel for some reason.

    A few small complaints:

    1) The rear axle wasn't threaded deep enough to obtain a good clamp when the nut was screwed on all the way and the lever closed. I had to use a washer to obtain a good clamp.

    2) The bike shipped with 4 small bolts. I figured out that 2 of the bolts are used to affix the brake adapter to the frame. What are the other two bolts for? Spares?

    3) The holes for the water bottle carriers were missing bolts.

    4) I broke the seat post on the first ride. To be fair, I was taking the bike off a small jump and came down hard on the seat, so I wasn't surprised when it broke. I had the exact same design seatpost on my FM-191 and I also broke that. Fortunately, I have a Thomson seat post that fits.

    Photos to follow....
    If you glue the little metal plates, you won't be able to get them off to change the dropouts. I don't glue them, no point. They are held in place by the axle.

    Yes, my axle was a bit long...although I think I discovered the axle is adjustable a few weeks back, haven't really tried to do anything about it, just used a washer like you and everything has been good for years.

    The little cable outlet cover things are 'meh, they kind of don't say in place when the cable bends and have to occasionally be pushed back into place. They aren't terrible, but not as great as they seem on the surface IMO.

    Routing isn't really intended for a dropper, but I used the extra hole and put a cable up through the BB for a dropper. This is kind of a major PITA, because it's not intended, but it's possible. Otherwise, routing is fine, it's easiest to drop the fork and take the BB out and route housing backwards up towards the head tube. It's actually really easy like this.

    The bike has been solid though. Able to fit J5 tires in the rear dropout position, which is the biggest I care to use at this point. Great bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    If you glue the little metal plates, you won't be able to get them off to change the dropouts. I don't glue them, no point. They are held in place by the axle.
    If you don't want the plates dropping off when removing the rear wheel and don't want to glue them you could try this ->

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