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    Bye bye Bucksaw for 2019

    Salsa has removed it from their website.

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    Bummer, thatís a bike Iíve been considering.

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    Also removed Spearfish and Horsethief.
    it's a challenge some of us are ultimately worthy of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Also removed Spearfish and Horsethief.
    Indeed, they did.

    Wonder how long before my Bucksaw becomes a collector's item? Ha! I think Salsa flooded the market with too many of them, based on how quickly the first ones sold.

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    I demo'ed one for a few weeks a couple years ago. Fun bike. But...isn't FS redundant on a fat bike? Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    I demo'ed one for a few weeks a couple years ago. Fun bike. But...isn't FS redundant on a fat bike? Just wondering.
    No. Not exactly.

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    I'm sure bikes like the full squish trek took a lot of their sales away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    I'm sure bikes like the full squish trek took a lot of their sales away.
    Partly. I am sure that a bigger part of it is that plus bikes have pulled market share away from fs fat.

    Pretty sure if FS plus bikes existed when I bought my BS, I would not have a BS.

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    Also I think not having a solid fork option from a few more manufactures for Full suspension bikes compared to the plus bikes.
    Nothing against the forks that exist now but my Wren is ok but it at no Fox fork.
    For the haters I have not tried the Mastadon .........
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    Definitely a bummer. I was hoping for a new updated 2019 model

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgprimo View Post
    Also I think not having a solid fork option from a few more manufactures for Full suspension bikes compared to the plus bikes.
    Nothing against the forks that exist now but my Wren is ok but it at no Fox fork.
    For the haters I have not tried the Mastadon .........
    Very true. I built mine with a Bluto at first and it just wasn't up to the job. Now I have a Wren, which works and addresses the problems I had with the Bluto...but the damper sucks. I also have not tried the Mastodon. I just don't have that kinda cash floating around to make another fork change for a "maybe" it'll be better (or maybe it'll be another scenario where it fixes one problem, but introduces another).

    I don't plan to sell my BS anytime soon, but I'll be adding other bikes to the stable which will reduce the frequency I ride it.

    Next one will be a Guerrilla Gravity Pedalhead, which I'm going to start building (slowly) this fall/winter. Should be buying a slightly used frame off a semi-local forum member in a couple of weeks.

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    Damn shame! I love my bucksaw! And really wanted a spearfish before they stopped those too. Got a SID and some 29Ē wheels so I could have both. Now I need to get another frame just in case.

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    With 29x2.6 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Indeed, they did.

    Wonder how long before my Bucksaw becomes a collector's item? Ha! I think Salsa flooded the market with too many of them, based on how quickly the first ones sold.
    Probably never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Indeed, they did.

    Wonder how long before my Bucksaw becomes a collector's item? Ha! I think Salsa flooded the market with too many of them, based on how quickly the first ones sold.
    Love mine, only a handful around here, glad I was able to get my hands on this one, definately a collector's item IMO!
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    A bit of hope from the Salsa forum:
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    Ran into some of the Salsa guys at the Cuyuna Trails in Crosby MN about a month ago. They were riding Deadwoods, Pony Rustlers and what appeared to be a prototype Horsethief (Raw carbon with a very raw machined and welded rear swingarm).

    I asked them about Bucksaw and they said it was in-development and no ETA but it is coming back.

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    Seems to follow Salsa's recent trend. I would expect the upcoming Bucksaw to be quite different from the current.

    Diff wheel size. Diff suspension layout. Probably different intended purpose, too.

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    A collectors item for sure! Iím betting in another 6-8 months I could sell it for 2x what I put in.

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    I haven't ridden my BS as a fat bike in years. I keep the 27.5+ set-up on it year round, which rides great, but it is a very heavy bike compared to other F/S 27.5+ bikes. I keep toying with selling the frame, so maybe there is a market for it now.
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    I've been eyeing 27.5+ wheels for a while now but after spending 5K Canadian on it the wife suggested that I should just enjoy it as is or I'd be enjoying the company of the couch.
    It's probably not the best choice for flow trails but for rooty East Coast trails or exploring off the beaten track it's hard to beat, my lower back loves Fat+Sus !
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    I have a GX1 Bucksaw, and absolutely love it. I live in the high desert / Rocky Mountains and the terrain here suits full suspension fat perfectly. Trails are rough, loose and sandy, loose over hard, rocky, and more rocks.

    Not the best bike for flow trails or buffed smooth trails, but if you ride the chunk, it's great.

    It does not feel heavy when riding it, I can flick and thrown it around no problem, it climbs tech better than any bike I have ridden. Under 10 miles per hour, it's the best bike I have ever ridden. Above 15 miles per hour trail bikes start to have an advantage with more precise handling and more suspension travel, but 90 plus percent of my time is slower speeds.

    I am hoping for a redesign: 27.5 wheels, higher bottom bracket, much shorter seat tube for longer dropper, steeper seat tube angle, 120mm rear travel with a 140mm Mastadon on the front.

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    This is making me nostalgic! We tired fat last year and had a couple of sweet Bucksaws for a while. They were great to ride in the sand in the desert here in So. California, and we took them on one trip to the Canyonlands area of Utah. But we experiment with bikes a lot and moved on. Here's mrs levity enjoying hers near Moab.

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    So, they found that they couldn't market enough of em at a 5,000% margin and dropped em like a hot potato... Tsk tsk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    So, they found that they couldn't market enough of em at a 5,000% margin and dropped em like a hot potato... Tsk tsk!
    Quite an exaggeration, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Quite an exaggeration, no?
    Perhaps a bit. Donít recall what original retail was on a full build, but near seasonís end we got our frames for $1500 - not bad for a quality carbon frame.

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    I think the carbon build was in the 4500-5k range msrp. Pretty good for a carbon FS bike with carbon hoops in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not the worst pricing.

    I built mine before the carbon frame was available. I dunno exactly what I spent, but I think I was in the 3k-4k range, and my buildout was as good or better in most respects (shop discounts sure were nice back when I had them...I have to be a little more creative these days to find deals).

    Quote Originally Posted by levity View Post
    Perhaps a bit. Donít recall what original retail was on a full build, but near seasonís end we got our nice carbon frames for $1500 - not bad.
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    The msrp was $6499 on the red carbon

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    Got my Carbon X01 for 4499. X01 carbon crankset, whiskey carbon rims, carbon rustler bar. Pretty good deal for the build at that price.

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    I never fell in love with my Bucksaw. At 6'2" 290, the XL never fit like I wanted it to. The front end always felt too low, even with riser bars. I ended up not riding it as much this year, because it became annoying and very uncomfortable to always have to look up to see down the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    I never fell in love with my Bucksaw. At 6'2" 290, the XL never fit like I wanted it to.

    At 6'2", I would expect you would be on a large Salsa. I'm 6'2" and Ive always ridden large Salsas since my first in 2009. I would ride XL in Santa Cruz, Ibis, however.

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    Absolutely not. Tried a large Fatboy a few years ago and it was horrible. Knees into the handlebars every stroke.


    I dont want to take anything away from the Bucksaw, it is 100% a great bike. Just not for me.

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    At 6'2", the specialized size chart says you would be on an XL fatboy. Size large in Salsa does not equal size large in other brands. The salsa size chart for the bucksaw says large goes up to 6'3" and xl is 6'3" plus. I'm not telling you you are wrong, as everyone is different, just something to consider.

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    Yep. I bought the XL Fatboy. The Salsa always felt weird. I had enough room in the cockpit. But the bars just always felt low. I tried a few different stem/bar combos, but never got it right. I'm still learning myself.

    Sorry for the thread derail.

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    Diff strokes. 6'1 with ape arms and I love my xl. Though with a shorter stem
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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    At 6'2", the specialized size chart says you would be on an XL fatboy. Size large in Salsa does not equal size large in other brands. The salsa size chart for the bucksaw says large goes up to 6'3" and xl is 6'3" plus. I'm not telling you you are wrong, as everyone is different, just something to consider.
    Size charts are BS. Salsa says I should be borderline sm/med. No f*cking way. Solid medium, possible boderline lg. Definitely a lg santa cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Size charts are BS. Salsa says I should be borderline sm/med. No f*cking way. Solid medium, possible boderline lg. Definitely a lg santa cruz.

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    I agree, I'm barely 5'9" (long arms) and ride a large. The only thing too big is the seat tube, I can only fit a 125mm dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurenlex View Post
    I am hoping for a redesign: 27.5 wheels, higher bottom bracket, much shorter seat tube for longer dropper, steeper seat tube angle, 120mm rear travel with a 140mm Mastadon on the front.
    I also have a gx1 BS and love it for my new England chunk, but I would buy this bike in a heartbeat. Nice design spec for Salsa right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbo View Post
    I never fell in love with my Bucksaw. At 6'2" 290, the XL never fit like I wanted it to. The front end always felt too low, even with riser bars. I ended up not riding it as much this year, because it became annoying and very uncomfortable to always have to look up to see down the trail.
    That's odd... I'm 6'8" and the bucksaw fits me just fine... of course, I have a 26ļ rise stem installed, too.

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    Not really odd. Fit is so subjective. I'm finding I want a bigger bike than most people. Just my preference. The guy I sold my XL BS to was 2" shorter and 80-100 lbs lighter. He loves it.

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    I picked up a green gx1 (2650.00 Closeout) and love it. Upgraded the wheel set to Reynolds Deans w/I9 hubs. Jumbo Jimís tires it rolls pretty sweat. I turned 50 and bought it to shred some pounds.

    I wonít do much more then ride it now and enjoy it. It is a really is a lot of fun and thatís what itís all about for me.

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    Bummer for me. I don't know that I'd ride it a lot, but it seems like a fun bike. At least two of my friends have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Damn shame! I love my bucksaw! And really wanted a spearfish before they stopped those too. Got a SID and some 29Ē wheels so I could have both. Now I need to get another frame just in case.

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    With 29x2.6 above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Word on the street there will be a new spearfish


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    Going on 4 years on my BS and I still love it. The Mastodon was a game changer over the Bluto. I still ride it a lot, mostly in 27.5 x 3Ē version. I picked up a Rocky Mtn Altitude last spring and enjoy the 4 lb difference on big climbing days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Going on 4 years on my BS and I still love it. The Mastodon was a game changer over the Bluto. I still ride it a lot, mostly in 27.5 x 3Ē version. I picked up a Rocky Mtn Altitude last spring and enjoy the 4 lb difference on big climbing days.
    Agreed. I'm running the Mastodon at 120 and it's like it was made for it

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    Looks like fatty fullies are at the end of the line.
    Trek has discontinued the Farley EX8.....and thecarbon version is a frameset only, which I'm betting will be gone for 2020.
    Sad....I rode a Bucksaw for a while and now own both versions of the Farley EX....all great bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by fewg8 View Post
    Agreed. I'm running the Mastodon at 120 and it's like it was made for it
    Cool, I just swapped my 100 air shaft for a 120 for my Bluto. I also switched the RT3 Monarch air can with a Debonair can with 2 bands for s & giggles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    So, they found that they couldn't market enough of em at a 5,000% margin and dropped em like a hot potato... Tsk tsk!
    Most of the brand name carbon bikes/frames are the same crazy prices no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Looks like fatty fullies are at the end of the line.
    Trek has discontinued the Farley EX8.....and thecarbon version is a frameset only, which I'm betting will be gone for 2020.
    Sad....I rode a Bucksaw for a while and now own both versions of the Farley EX....all great bikes
    Perhaps it is a tough sell for full suspension fat bikes. And those who have them and actually need full suspension are far and few between.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Most of the brand name carbon bikes/frames are the same crazy prices no?
    Insanely overpriced and no custom geo.... LOLOLOL, no, just no!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Damn shame! I love my bucksaw! And really wanted a spearfish before they stopped those too. Got a SID and some 29Ē wheels so I could have both. Now I need to get another frame just in case.

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    With 29x2.6 above.
    That looks great with 29" wheels! What is the bag you are using? looks like a good fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgprimo View Post
    Also I think not having a solid fork option from a few more manufactures for Full suspension bikes compared to the plus bikes.
    Nothing against the forks that exist now but my Wren is ok but it at no Fox fork.
    For the haters I have not tried the Mastadon .........
    Sucks that they pulled this bike. I followed the lead on this post (link below) and then added a Fox rear shock, 12 speed, and Fox Transfer post. Cant find a bike that rides anything like it. Looking for a full carbon frame if anyone has one.

    https://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/bu...up-995864.html

    My Salsa is the last post on that thread. So many mtbr members put so much good info on that thread. What a great resource.
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    Agreed! Glad I was able to grab a used one. Of course it has the guide T brakes that lock up when it gets hot, so Iíll need to deal with that, but I love the bike, and so does my son. Itís his primary ride now.

    For those still in the market for a FS fatty the double stout by growler is probably the best thing going:

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    That's a good looking bike, a hair steep on the head tube angle... Wonder if it's safe to run the Mastodon at 140 on it, would help a bit to slacken it out.

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    That looks pretty sweet. 27.5 x 4 what the. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roughster View Post
    Of course it has the guide T brakes that lock up when it gets hot
    I replaced mine with some used XT ebay specials - best upgrade ever. The sram guides went right in the trash. Bad karma to let them exist on anybody else's bike.

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    Love my Shimano Saint Brakes. Moved them from my Fatboy the the Bucksaw. Friend just bought a bike with those Guides and I tried to tell him.
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    I have a 2016 red BS that I love - best mountain bike I ever had. I bought it in 2017 when they were on sale for $4500.

    I cracked the carbon seatstays on the rear triangle last year, and that was warranted by Salsa. Two weeks ago I noticed that I had a crack forming on the seat tube on the front triangle, and Salsa just warranted that with a black 2017 frame (as they have no more red 2016 frames).

    I was able to hang on to the rear triangle from my old red one for parts, as I am sure I will crack the rear seat stays again in a few years, and who knows if they will have parts (plus the rear will be out of warranty by then). Salsa were also nice enough to ship the replacement frame WITH a rear shock, so I got a backup shock now too.

    In any case I am back in business with my BS and I am happy

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    I just turned in my BS for the brake replacement. I do mechanical brake wrench work, but figure I'll let the pros do the hydraulic crap. It also got me off the hook from having to instal my new dropper (PNW Ridge), as now they are going to do it (for a fee of course). I am so lazy lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by de00304 View Post
    I have a 2016 red BS that I love - best mountain bike I ever had. I bought it in 2017 when they were on sale for $4500.

    I cracked the carbon seatstays on the rear triangle last year, and that was warranted by Salsa. Two weeks ago I noticed that I had a crack forming on the seat tube on the front triangle, and Salsa just warranted that with a black 2017 frame (as they have no more red 2016 frames).

    I was able to hang on to the rear triangle from my old red one for parts, as I am sure I will crack the rear seat stays again in a few years, and who knows if they will have parts (plus the rear will be out of warranty by then). Salsa were also nice enough to ship the replacement frame WITH a rear shock, so I got a backup shock now too.

    In any case I am back in business with my BS and I am happy
    Sounds like they were nicer in your warranty than mine.
    My seat tube cracked near the bottom bracket, v they only replaced the front triangle and I got stuck paying shop labor to get everything swapped across.

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    Any Intel on the possible new version of Bucksaw? or is it just rumors for now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by de00304 View Post
    I have a 2016 red BS that I love - best mountain bike I ever had. I bought it in 2017 when they were on sale for $4500.

    I cracked the carbon seatstays on the rear triangle last year, and that was warranted by Salsa. Two weeks ago I noticed that I had a crack forming on the seat tube on the front triangle, and Salsa just warranted that with a black 2017 frame (as they have no more red 2016 frames).

    I was able to hang on to the rear triangle from my old red one for parts, as I am sure I will crack the rear seat stays again in a few years, and who knows if they will have parts (plus the rear will be out of warranty by then). Salsa were also nice enough to ship the replacement frame WITH a rear shock, so I got a backup shock now too.

    In any case I am back in business with my BS and I am happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by de00304 View Post
    I have a 2016 red BS that I love - best mountain bike I ever had. I bought it in 2017 when they were on sale for $4500.

    I cracked the carbon seatstays on the rear triangle last year, and that was warranted by Salsa. Two weeks ago I noticed that I had a crack forming on the seat tube on the front triangle, and Salsa just warranted that with a black 2017 frame (as they have no more red 2016 frames).

    I was able to hang on to the rear triangle from my old red one for parts, as I am sure I will crack the rear seat stays again in a few years, and who knows if they will have parts (plus the rear will be out of warranty by then). Salsa were also nice enough to ship the replacement frame WITH a rear shock, so I got a backup shock now too.

    In any case I am back in business with my BS and I am happy
    Curious where the cracks were. I have the red Ď16 carbon too and i think your the first iíve seen say their red frame cracked. Just want to keep my eye on the trouble spots. Iíve got over 2k miles on it and plan for a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Curious where the cracks were. I have the red Ď16 carbon too and i think your the first iíve seen say their red frame cracked. Just want to keep my eye on the trouble spots. Iíve got over 2k miles on it and plan for a lot more.
    Thats crazy, I have the aluminum version but my Ibis SLR is carbon and ~ 5 years old and no frame issues at all although its not getting that much use now. I would expect the carbon frame to be stronger assuming no crashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Thats crazy, I have the aluminum version but my Ibis SLR is carbon and ~ 5 years old and no frame issues at all although its not getting that much use now. I would expect the carbon frame to be stronger assuming no crashes.
    Awhile back there were a few seat stay cracks on the 2015s. I hadnt heard of any carbon frame issues, but i believe the alu frames still had carbon seat stays like the carbon cersion. Eather way the carbon front triangle hadnt had any problems that I was aware of so definitely interested in his specific cracks. Mines been bullet proof except the first ride where i managed to put a nail through my whisky carbon rim. Holy fuk was that depressing.

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    More Bucksaw porn.

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    Love the red and the gold frames!

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    Originally the gold was my favorite as well. Remember way back when the gold was first advertised in Dirtrag? I saw that and said,"Looks like an overkill, I'll need to ride one of those." It is so not an overkill. My best friend is looking for a pristine Gold Bucksaw in large right now.

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    If anyone has a carbon Large for sale let me know
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    If anyone has a carbon Large for sale let me know
    look at "North East Bicycle classifeds" on facebook. There's a guy in NH with a mint one.
    I just pm'd him to look here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    look at "North East Bicycle classifeds" on facebook. There's a guy in NH with a mint one.
    I just pm'd him to look here.
    Thanks I found it and shot him a PM. just waiting on a reply
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    For you or anyone else. My large red carbon x01 is for sale. Well maintained for 2k

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    Thank you. Do you have Photos? Price?
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    Found it. It's medium, I ride a large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gringo-on-a-fatboy View Post
    Found it. It's medium, I ride a large.
    Not sure who you're conversing with....maybe yourself?
    But here is the large
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1840...83839591705141

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    For you or anyone else. My large red carbon x01 is for sale. Well maintained for 2k
    I shot you a message Pork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by letitsnow View Post
    I replaced mine with some used XT ebay specials - best upgrade ever. The sram guides went right in the trash. Bad karma to let them exist on anybody else's bike.
    I really did not have any issues with the Guides that came with the bike but I run XT for many years on all of my past and existing bikes and also upgraded the Salsa. I find them much more to my liking but it is also personal preference.

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    Not that I have any faith in the company but when people were expecting a new Bucksaw when they recently introduced those ugly new colour schemes, one of their marketing people responded to a speculation about a new Bucksaw that they are not abandoning fat bikes or something similar that implied a new Bucksaw might be in the works.
    I would provide a link to the post but with Facebook's recent update to combat user privacy one can't even browse older Instagram posts without having an account.
    If somebody wants to search for the post, it was a comment (as in not the opening post) in one of those accompanying their recent announcement about the new colours, a few days before the "big announcement" if I remember correctly.

    Anyway, a new Bucksaw with an All Mountain geometry with around 150/130mm of suspension would be great giving the lack of options from other companies.
    Looking for fairly priced 17.5" Farley EX 8/9.8 in Germany or neighbouring countries. Frame only or whole bike, TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Topo View Post
    ... Anyway, a new Bucksaw with an All Mountain geometry with around 150/130mm of suspension would be great giving the lack of options from other companies.
    This, I would be all over! They also need to dump the 150/177 and go to 150/197 spacing standard. Must have clearance for 29Ēx3.0Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by roughster View Post
    This, I would be all over! They also need to dump the 150/177 and go to 150/197 spacing standard. Must have clearance for 29Ēx3.0Ē
    It looks like Salsa already dumped the 177 spacing and moved to the "standard 197". Agreed on a 150 front/130 rear would be ideal. I ran my BS with a 150 fox 34 for a while and it was pretty nice. I have been running 27.5 x 3.8s for a couple year on my carbon BS and this would be an ideal setup on a new one as well. Luckily, I haven't had any frame cracking issues, surprisingly as I ride the BS year around and put it through some tough places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurenlex View Post
    I have a GX1 Bucksaw, and absolutely love it. I live in the high desert / Rocky Mountains and the terrain here suits full suspension fat perfectly. Trails are rough, loose and sandy, loose over hard, rocky, and more rocks.

    Not the best bike for flow trails or buffed smooth trails, but if you ride the chunk, it's great.

    It does not feel heavy when riding it, I can flick and thrown it around no problem, it climbs tech better than any bike I have ridden. Under 10 miles per hour, it's the best bike I have ever ridden. Above 15 miles per hour trail bikes start to have an advantage with more precise handling and more suspension travel, but 90 plus percent of my time is slower speeds.

    I am hoping for a redesign: 27.5 wheels, higher bottom bracket, much shorter seat tube for longer dropper, steeper seat tube angle, 120mm rear travel with a 140mm Mastadon on the front.
    Although I agree with you 100%, I have to address comment in bold.

    I took the my Bucksaw to Deer Valley, Park City in 2017 and got a KOM. I never get better than midpack on almost any Strava segment lol. Certain local downhills with small user groups I will podium top ten until swarms of people knock me out.

    Tidal Wave is a downhill A Line style trail. Not so much flow, but smooth tables with minimal berms.

    I, or shall I say the Bucksaw holds 7th of 6000+ on "Tidal Wave Full" and I only found out yesterday that I have a KOM that I was never notified I achieved (No trophy icon) I clicked "KOMs" on my profile just for s and gigs yesterday, and 3 years later I am thrilled lol.

    I reached out to Salsa when this happened with no response, but this could have been awesome advertisement for their creation. I basically asked if they would ever have a demo rig out there in Park City, so I could borrow a carbon Bucksaw and break the record (Mine is tubed, 37lbs vs 32lb carbon)

    I really hope they are in development of the second gen Bucksaw and haven't just scrapped it. It is such a capable bike and FUN! I think a 3.5" x 27.5 would be cool. I'm on Rolling Darryls 82mm I think, and my Nate 3.8's are 4" on them.

    But what a bike!

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    feels good to stretch our quarantined necks to look at a pic huh lolllllll

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    You don't need 197 to run 29 x 3".

    But if you're running 29 x 3", and it's tight and technical, you're probably going to regret going 197.

    For those that are still after a FS fatbike, Devin Lenz still makes the Fatillac, and whether you're discussing geometry or suspension it's still the best all-around trail fatty, ever.

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    Hi everyone, we have a group of Fatscateers out here. We bought a handful of Bucksaws in 2017 when they closed out the inventory at $1749per bike. last summer we tested the Trek Carbon Farley full suspension against the carbon wheeled Bucksaw. Bucksaw won. the 32 lb Bucksaw was more nimble than the 35 lb.Trek on the Park City dn hill trails. The Trek did better on the chunk because of the better front fork and the longer 120mm travel. So pick your terrain. Fat is Fun !

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    Looking for another Bucksaw

    I just bought my wife a 17 inch gold aluminum bucksaw and she loves it. I have to say even for myself am very impressed. Its very comfortable to ride. The small chatter and bumps and over rocks are gone. Love it. We have deep decomposed granite for miles and the fat tire just floats over without loosing traction. It doesn't wash out or push through corners with the fat tires either. Its very sure footed and that's why we thought she would like it.




    So Im looking for a medium or large bucksaw for myself if anyone is selling one. Let me know. Im 5'11" with a 31.5 inseam so I can ride either a Med or Lrg Gardnerville Nevada 89460



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    Im looking for a medium or large bucksaw. Let me know thanks! Found a medium bucksaw thanks














    Edit now I see the above post and I like that Lenz Fatillac ........dooh!
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    You don't need 197 to run 29 x 3".

    But if you're running 29 x 3", and it's tight and technical, you're probably going to regret going 197.

    For those that are still after a FS fatbike, Devin Lenz still makes the Fatillac, and whether you're discussing geometry or suspension it's still the best all-around trail fatty, ever.
    what makes the Lenz better than the Mutz? I'd like to hear your opinion on this as I will need to move on to a new frame soon.

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    From a suspension perspective, the foes rear triangle should be stiffer, one-piece and reinforced by the swing linkage, IMO, important for a fat-bike with it's super-wide frame that inherently makes it flexier than a traditional mountain bike. Then there's the kinematics, Foes uses a more modern approach, with moderate anti-squat around 100% through all of the travel. Lenz is a low-pivot design that if anything like their other designs, has a steep falling AS curve that provides very little AS throughout the travel, meaning it'll pedal very soggy, especially uphill during weight shifts/over rough stuff. Then there's the leverage ratio, Foes is a modern curve that is designed to offset the effects of an air shock, which are progressive initial travel, flat middle travel, and progressive end travel. If you look at Foes curve, they are the opposite of that, to offset the air-shock. Lenz leverage curves all tend to be significantly progressive and look to be best suited for coil shocks, not air. The first Lenz bikes, with their concentric pivots, were especially bad for suspension kinematics, their modern single-pivot bikes are nothing special though, most single-pivot manufacturers are doing it a lot better than Lenz these days. Foes had some rough times too, back with several design ideas that just didn't work well, like the Curnut, 2:1 leverage, non-leverage changing linkages, etc., but they've worked all of that out with the current bikes. The niche for Lenz is that they make a full-suspension fat-bike. Remember, their niche used to be long-travel 29ers for a little while, but now that is common place and lots of manufacturers are doing it better.

    There is supposed to be an updated Mutz soon, so that may be interesting to wait for, hopefully with some geometry improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    From a suspension perspective

    Which trails did you ride both of these bikes on?

    Please list them alphabetically so that we can ascertain the veracity of your opinions.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcracer2 View Post
    what makes the Lenz better than the Mutz? I'd like to hear your opinion on this as I will need to move on to a new frame soon.
    I have no idea how these two ride in comparison to each other, but in looks alone, the Lenz is a million dollars.

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