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    Borealis Echo

    First Rocky Mountain, now we have the Borealis Echo with the Bluto Fat Bike Fork.

    Available in X9/X0, X01, and XX1

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    Another one, nice!

    Where are all those production squishy fork nay-Sayers? Pretty clear RS has a jump on it now.

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    bdundee gonna cry when he finds out his borealis frame is obsolete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    bdundee gonna cry when he finds out his borealis frame is obsolete.
    I sold it before all this $hit hit the fan, I seened it a comin.

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    Looks Sick! MAXLE thru axle in the rear also.


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    That is so badass. So I am looking at selling off three bikes and just riding this big beautiful beast.

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    Re: Borealis Echo

    Not as much hype in this thread compared to the other 2 bike released today. I guess it's the price... But that shouldn't stop anyone right?

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    some close ups

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    man my computer, is being odd at work Borealis Echo-photo2.jpgBorealis Echo-photo3.jpgBorealis Echo-photo4.jpgBorealis Echo-7.jpgBorealis Echo-8.jpgBorealis Echo-photo1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang View Post
    is the best...how the price ????
    Off the website:

    Frame: $1949
    Frame and Fork: $2649
    X0X9: $3999
    X01: $5099
    XX1: $5999

    SlowerThenSnot, thanks for the close-up pics, looks great!

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    So will the Bluto fit on a yampa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    So will the Bluto fit on a yampa?
    The axle to crown is too talk, knobs run into down tube
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    Thanks for the info, that's kinda what I thought, So far I have not really felt the need for a suspension fork at least on snow and some of the short dirt rides I'm done. As the snow melts and the rides get longer maybe I'll feel differently.

    Will the there be a rigid fork option for the Echo for someone that might be interested in running that in snow and suspension in the summer?

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    Borealis Echo

    I just called Borealis to ask about a carbon fork option for the Echo. No plans they said. Also got some geo numbers HT 69.8 St 73 based on 513 a to c on the new RS. Yampa fork is 468. Looks like my dream of a quiver killer is dead for now.

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    I'm wondering if the 2015 Yampa will lose the rear dropouts.

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    Pretty interesting that this bike is available in May while the Rocky Mountain and the Salsa aren't available until "fall".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    Pretty interesting that this bike is available in May while the Rocky Mountain and the Salsa aren't available until "fall".
    Pretty simple.
    Borealis only does fatbikes.
    RM and Salsa have some other bikes to get to dealers.

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    With Bluto set at 80mm it would work fine with the Yampa but if you crash you could possibly ruin your frame with fork contact to the down tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Thanks for the info, that's kinda what I thought, So far I have not really felt the need for a suspension fork at least on snow and some of the short dirt rides I'm done. As the snow melts and the rides get longer maybe I'll feel differently.

    Will the there be a rigid fork option for the Echo for someone that might be interested in running that in snow and suspension in the summer?
    the reason I got the 2014 mukluk was that it was clearly designed for a suspension fork. The negative part of that was that the only carbon fork long enough with the right offset was the Salsa. But yeah, a 2014 salsa ALU or carbon fork should work for this Echo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    With Bluto set at 80mm it would work fine with the Yampa but if you crash you could possibly ruin your frame with fork contact to the down tube.
    As a group, I think we need to get over the "we can make it work" acceptance. Future is looking good that in a year or two, we won't be trying to make it work, we will have stuff that actually works. Since 2006, I have been trying to make my fat bikes work. I'm ready for plug and play. Each year is getting better, fat technology is catching up so hopefully things will work. I'm really liking Borealis' progression, can't wait to see what we happens when we settle down with all the new standards and have only a couple of standards to work with.
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    Never mind it's not worth the argument. I wouldn't use this fork either with the fear of downtube contact on a frame that wasn't made for it.

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    What else am I supposed to do on this fine Saturday morning? I'm sitting here, Fatbikeless while I wait on my game changing Xtreme Design Fat Bike to arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    But yeah, a 2014 salsa ALU or carbon fork should work for this Echo.
    True but would require a different front wheel with 135 hub.

    I heard yesterday from LBS that there is a carbon fork option for the Rocky Blizzard.

    Perhaps the rocky fork would work or something else but it would be "making it work". My dream is the echo with two forks and two sets of wheels (29+ and 100/4.8) and more room in the gear shed!

    The cost of a new CF mold for a 150 fork must be massive. But I suspect that I am not alone in my hopes for a rigid option for this bike.

    A suspension fork and slack geo will be awesome for my trails which include foot packed singletrack and a melt freeze climate. However, when the temps drop to -20c and colder or for winter bikepacking trips rigid is the way to go.

    Hope you are listening Borealis. Love the direction that you are going. Suspect that I am not alone in wanting to ride gnar and big distance on the same bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucek View Post
    best bike, I think this is best bikes for my wife....I plan to buy him a bike, I hope she will like this model
    So is he a she or she a he Ah just pulling your leg I get what you are saying.

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    Hey guys I managed to take a few more photos

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    Very nice.

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    This was posted on the Borealis Facebook page:

    Here's some clarifying information about the RockShox Bluto suspension fork fitting on our YAMPA and ECHO frames:

    The ECHO is designed specifically for use with the Bluto fork.

    The YAMPA is designed around a 468mm axle-to-crown rigid fork with a 45mm rake. We (along with several other fat bike brands) have determined this to be the optimal fork size for use on a rigid fat bike. The Bluto fork will fit on the Large and Extra Large Yampa, but there is not enough fork crown clearance for the Bluto to fit on the Small and Medium Yampa frames. The L and XL Yampa does ride great with the Bluto fork, but the geometry is less than ideal since the effective axle-to-crown measurement on the Bluto fork is longer than the rigid FF1 fork.

    The YAMPA is an excellent lightweight adventure bike for snow and sand, and works great as a rigid bike for year round use with any tire and rim combination.

    The ECHO is designed to be a lightweight mountain bike with fat tires that can shred anywhere- this is an entirely new genre of mountain biking and we certainly encourage you to try it out!

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    Re: Borealis Echo

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    The YAMPA is designed around a 468mm axle-to-crown rigid fork with a 45mm rake. ... The L and XL Yampa does ride great with the Bluto fork, but the geometry is less than ideal since the effective axle-to-crown measurement on the Bluto fork is longer than the rigid FF1 fork.
    I'm confused. Isn't the axle-to-crown of the 80mm bluto right around 470 when you factor in sag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I'm confused. Isn't the axle-to-crown of the 80mm bluto right around 470 when you factor in sag?
    I asked them on FB and they said it would be just fine on the l and xl frames.

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    This is a very good looking bike and their excitement is very understandable. Personally, I like the stealth black.

    I think it would be smart for Borealis to make a regular fork for the Echo that could be interchanged, as there will be very few people who will own two top end fat bikes.

    Hopefully there will be enough of them for those of us who want to purchase one. Their carbon rim availability has been a disaster and the handling of it by Borealis has lowered my opinion of the company severely.

    GMoney80 or SlowerThenSnot, would it be out of the question to see some pictures of a large Yampa with the Bluto fork on it in order to visually see the issues?
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    Pictures like these?

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    Thanks tri-tele, yes that is what I was wanting to see. Doesn't look like there are any issues on the large Yampa.

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    There was some great weather here in the springs yesterday, perfect conditions to ride
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    I so want one of these.....

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    A few shots out in Ute

    Enjoy, a lovely day to be out in the springs!Borealis Echo-img_7142.jpgBorealis Echo-img_7134.jpgBorealis Echo-img_7038.jpgBorealis Echo-img_7023.jpgBorealis Echo-img_7021.jpg
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    ManÖ I am totally saving up for an Echo X0X9!!! Going to have to sell a couple of my current bikes to help fund it though, but well worth it!!! That bike is totally tits.
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    Will the fork fit a 29+ tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    The axle to crown is too talk, knobs run into down tube
    And the "Designer" did not take into account that Little detail, lame..

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    Considering that the Yampa frame was designed BEFORE the Bluto was out, not so lame after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    Will the fork fit a 29+ tire?
    The fork will fit a Surly Knard 29+ tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post
    Considering that the Yampa frame was designed BEFORE the Bluto was out, not so lame after all.
    They were probably designing the Bluto before the Yampa was being designed. Who didn't know that we would have front suspension?

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    If you have at least a large Yampa and run the fork at 80mm of travel the AtoC is just about the same. I may give it a whirl some time down the road.

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    Running a carbon frame and aluminum wheels makes no sense. A heavier steel or aluminum frame with a light weight carbon wheelset is faster and make much more sense. I would never run a carbon frame without carbon wheels.

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    N8R, I agree. The only problem with that is that carbon rims aren't mainline yet. Also, if you do get carbon rims, they aren't available in 100mm width yet. I only purchased a carbon bike because I wanted carbon rims. I paid for the Carbondales but so far, it's just a waiting game. I'd like a second set of carbon rims but I would like the second set to be wider. I'm trying to decide if I'm going to be happy with a 90mm second set. Until then, I am also running alloy rims on a carbon bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMONEY80 View Post
    The fork will fit a Surly Knard 29+ tire.
    Do you have any pics that show the clearance on the fork?

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    Here you go. Dave posted it in his thread
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/blu...cs-908064.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post
    Considering that the Yampa frame was designed BEFORE the Bluto was out, not so lame after all.
    Well forks like the lefty and the SC32 have been around for years, such a little "bow" on the down tube and the problem will be fix..

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    Well forks like the lefty and the SC32 have been around for years, such a little "bow" on the down tube and the problem will be fix..
    Have yet to see a lefty go under the down tube and I don't think the sc32 was really ever considered a great option.

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    wonder if the bluto will fit on one fatty bike any one measured

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    Clearing the DT is not an issue IMO. Many regular bikes run a lefty or a dual crown and they just add a little bumper to the fork or frame to pad the area in a bar spinning crash. Actually riding a bike I never spin my bars lock to lock where this would impede a turn.

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    That would be fine if it was stanchion/DT contact, in this case I think we're talking adjustment knob/DT contact - that is going to be hard to protect against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    Well forks like the lefty and the SC32 have been around for years, such a little "bow" on the down tube and the problem will be fix..
    Show me how a lefty can go under the down tube and I'll send you $5.

    The crown on the Bluto is a lot wider than the SC32, because of the 150mm spacing. I bet the SC32 would clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    They were probably designing the Bluto before the Yampa was being designed. Who didn't know that we would have front suspension?
    Even if that were true, it doesn't mean that every manufacturer was privy to the fork specs.

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    Anyone out there taken delivery of one of these yet?
    I would love to hear a review......

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    Apparently there aren't any available for (shipping) for three weeks yet, so saith two LBS I tried to buy from. Still a virtual release.

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    Thanks, Local shop is a dealer but I have been avoiding going in as its likely to get expensive...lol A bit torn on sizing too, did you pre order? I am between a med and a large..

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    No, haven't been able to pull the trigger either. To expensive to buy sight unseen. I probably will take a medium - Iam 5'11 and never been comfortable on a large - to much upper back stiffness from being stretched out over the handle bars for long periods.

    Also still torn between between a new Ti Mukluk ($4k+), demo beargrease ($3k), last years yampa (15%off also $3k) and the new echo. There are also a host of much cheaper used aluminum frames around which keep creaping into my decision making and screwing things up. I have to drive 5 hours to the nearest stocking LBS to even see a Borealis bike, and 3 hours to ride the BG again - for some reason Washington state is a bit of a black hole as far as fat bikes goes, unfortunately.

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    Borealis Echo-instockexhoes.jpg

    Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that we got our shipment of Echo's in today, we have a few open spots left in Medium and Large for our first shipment so let your dealer know if you are interested.
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    Any Carbondale boxes?

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    Man this Echo surely is the cats MEOW. Wow!

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    Have already expressed interest in a custom ďX0/X9Ē buildup of a Borealis Echo via my local bike shop (Trail Head CycleryÖ yeah, THC, get those stoner jokes a-rolliní ). Iíll be cheapiní it though with a cheater Wolftooth 32 x 11-42 setup though since I donít see a need to cough up the XX1 dollars for an alternative that appears to work just as well. Iíll be trying to ďblue upĒ the colour scheme as much as possible with anodized bits: Raceface Atlas 100mm cranks in anodized blue will need to be part of the package. Of course I will be going with the blue anodized FR80 rims and Borealis hubs, no need to NOT go with anodized since they are available. Just need to sell my low-mileage 2012 pinche cabron fibre Santa Cruz Tallboy 29er firstÖ
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    Just rode a large Borealis Echo set up with the full 120 mm fork 12 degree swept back carbon flat bars and a super uber carbon flex seat post over some bumpy little Alaska single track Curtsey' so Paramount bikes in Anchorage. This bike is beefy as hell and light as a feather. Unbelievable steering. Just now ordering one But with mountain drop bars and Chinese carbon rims. HooyAh!

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    You will love it. It not only rides like a dream with great geometry, it's a work of art to look at in person.
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    Here is what I have right now. It is a lot of fun to shred in the dirt!
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    Anybody know the measured width between the inside edge of the pedals, including bottom bracket on the B. echo? I rented a 9-zero-seven for a three hour ride yesterday and ended up with severe knee pain right at the end - couldn't walk back to the truck afterwards. Iam ready to order an Echo as my expedition bike but don't want to spend 4k and find out I can't ride it more than 3 or 4 hours without getting slammed by ergonomic problems. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Anybody know the measured width between the inside edge of the pedals, including bottom bracket on the B. echo? I rented a 9-zero-seven for a three hour ride yesterday and ended up with severe knee pain right at the end - couldn't walk back to the truck afterwards. Iam ready to order an Echo as my expedition bike but don't want to spend 4k and find out I can't ride it more than 3 or 4 hours without getting slammed by ergonomic problems. Thanks
    the xox9 build comes specked with a raceface ride crank and its pretty wide 190mm spacing, the xo1 build comes specked with a raceface turbine 170 and its a bit narrower and we get away with that as its set 1x11 and the ring is put on the far outside of the crank... i'll measure at work
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    Thanks, maybe if you can post both measurements it would be good to set up and test the two builds. Also any idea what length of crank is the usual spec?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalBikeman View Post
    Thanks, maybe if you can post both measurements it would be good to set up and test the two builds. Also any idea what length of crank is the usual spec?
    All that info is on the Raceface website under fat bike cranks.

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    All that info is on the Raceface website under fat bike cranks.
    You couldn't provide links?

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    Sorry I was on a cell phone with an almost dead battery.

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    170mm next sl is 205mm q-facotr, and 170 turbine is 200mm and both these cranks well work on an echo or yampa on one x setups and the ride crank is 225mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    170mm next sl is 205mm q-facotr, and 170 turbine is 200mm and both these cranks well work on an echo or yampa on one x setups and the ride crank is 225mm
    Hey thanks! So is the overall width 225mm for both next SL and turbine for the Echo?

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    Hey thanks! So is the overall width 225mm for both next SL and turbine for the Echo?

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    the ride crank 2x10 is 225, the nextsl is 205, and turbine (narrowest at 200m)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    2x10 the ride crank 2x10 is 225, the nextsl is 205, and turbine (narrowest at 200m)
    Aaahhh, now I understand. Iam a little slow at times... Being old and all. I will look into the turbine. I think it is close to my Fargo setup.

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    Here is what I have right now. It is a lot of fun to shred in the dirt!
    Murphy - how about a few details on the build and the total weight with that wheelset? Do you have a second wheelset for winter tires?? Thx, looks sweet!

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    slowerthensnot,
    I'm looking to maybe buy an Echo but can't find warranty info on the Borealis website...do you have a link or something you could post? I've never owned a carbon bike but have broken a steel frame in less than 5 seasons so am wary.

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    I'm looking to maybe buy an Echo but can't find warranty info on the Borealis website...do you have a link or something you could post? I've never owned a carbon bike but have broken a steel frame in less than 5 seasons so am wary.
    Best to contact Borealis directly. Dave is riding his bike on the Colorado Trail right now. Probably be gone about a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghood View Post
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    I'm looking to maybe buy an Echo but can't find warranty info on the Borealis website...do you have a link or something you could post? I've never owned a carbon bike but have broken a steel frame in less than 5 seasons so am wary.
    Hey G,
    Our warranty is 5 years from date of purchase against manufacturers defects for the original owner. We are working on a new website so we apologize for that information not being on our current one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMONEY80 View Post
    Hey G,
    Our warranty is 5 years from date of purchase against manufacturers defects for the original owner. We are working on a new website so we apologize for that information not being on our current one.
    thanks gmoney. I ordered one for myself yesterday. the review on twentynineinches of the 29+ wheelset on it, combined w/ Rocky Mountain's delaying the release of the Blizzard pushed me over the carbon edge. Psyched!

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    Sorry about the partial thread hijack but I have a blizzard on order. Do you have evidence that the blizzard has been delayed? At their initial announcement I heard fall and October mentioned.... Thanks and sorry to go off track

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishpeming View Post
    Sorry about the partial thread hijack but I have a blizzard on order. Do you have evidence that the blizzard has been delayed? At their initial announcement I heard fall and October mentioned.... Thanks and sorry to go off track
    My LBS told me that delivery would be delayed. I really don't know anything about it other than that. I sold my last fatty in May so I was especially nervous about not having one when the snow flies, which can be late Oct in my neck of the woods. the Echo is shipping in two weeks.

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    hi.. what kind of bottom bracket use borealis Echo? thanks very much
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    Anyone that has a recommendation on sizing on the Echo? If you're 188cm, do you think size L or XL

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    I am 180cm and am very happy on a large with a 90mm stem slammed.

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    With a ETT of 628, and a 90mm stem, you've gotta be really stretch out? Or are you using a narrow bar?

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    For you metric haters out there ;-) , 188 = 6' 2"

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    Not too stretched out but I like a racey cockpit and have pretty long arms. Bars are 720mm.

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    This bike won a Cat 1 cyclocross race over the weekend at Ellison Park, NY.Borealis Echo-img_0229.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbike View Post
    This bike won a Cat 1 cyclocross race over the weekend at Ellison Park, NY.Click image for larger version. 

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    He gained huge amounts of time on downhills serpentines and with full speed bunny hops.
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    Can anyone tell me the seatpost diameter on an Echo? Thanks

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    I am ready to pull the trigger on an Echo however I am having a difficult time tracking down a small Echo X0. I don't have a local dealer near me. Is there anywhere on-line that anyone can recommend?

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    I am ready to pull the trigger on an Echo however I am having a difficult time tracking down a small Echo X0. I don't have a local dealer near me. Is there anywhere on-line that anyone can recommend?
    You might want to contact Borealis....very helpful bunch of guys.

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    Bought a bunch of stuff from competitive cyclist and always had a good experience. They are a Borealis retailer.

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    I ordered mine, a medium, directly from Borealis, they pushed a local bike shop to become a dealer and I received it through the bike shop. Talk to Andrew at Borealis, he'll get you set up.

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    I'm looking to step up from my Motobecane fatty and looking at carbon fatbikes. Was considering the Yampa but reading about heel and calf clearance and maybe big tires rubbing chain or chainstay. I see that the Borealis is now releasing a rigid fork for the Echo (which is what I want) So would there be any advantage to the rigid Echo over the Yampa other then the ability to swap a Bluto? I'm just wondering if Borealis learned a few things from the Yampa that they've incorporated for the Echo. My riding will be winter and snow but I'd like it to be as light and quick as possible within reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldens Lowe View Post
    I'm looking to step up from my Motobecane fatty and looking at carbon fatbikes. Was considering the Yampa but reading about heel and calf clearance and maybe big tires rubbing chain or chainstay. I see that the Borealis is now releasing a rigid fork for the Echo (which is what I want) So would there be any advantage to the rigid Echo over the Yampa other then the ability to swap a Bluto? I'm just wondering if Borealis learned a few things from the Yampa that they've incorporated for the Echo. My riding will be winter and snow but I'd like it to be as light and quick as possible within reason.
    The biggest differences between the Yampa and the Echo are geometries, no rack mounts on the Echo, all sizes fit the Bluto on the Echo.

    Both bikes can take the widest tires/rims available right now.

    The Echo has a geometry closer to a normal XC bike while the Yampa has a little more relaxed geometry.

    If you want the most versatile bike I would go Echo but as far as quality goes both are very comparable.

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    I have had zero clearance issues with my heels and calfs while riding my echo. And my calfs aren't small, and I ride rough and twisty terrain.
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    I'm after an Echo and looking for a little input on sizing. I often seem to fall slightly between sizes on bikes for some reason, and it looks like this is the case here.

    I'm Mr average: 5'10 (178.5cm) with a 33"(84.5cm) true inseam, normal length arms, neck etc. 180lbs(82kg). Very average!

    I have tried a large, which felt ok-ish. I haven't been able to try a medium. The shop owner thinks medium would be too small for me but then - as he has a large in stock - he would wouldn't he..! Ideally I'd like to try both before deciding but I don't think that's going to be possible.

    So two specific questions if I may:

    1. What size Echo are you riding, and what are your height and true inseam measurements? What length stem do you have?
    2. Is it better - for this type of bike - to be at the top end of medium or the bottom end of large? I think I'd rather shorten than lengthen the stem, so maybe large with 10/20mm off the stem might be the answer..?

    I'd really welcome some input from Echo owners. Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanTr View Post
    I'm after an Echo and looking for a little input on sizing. I often seem to fall slightly between sizes on bikes for some reason, and it looks like this is the case here.

    I'm Mr average: 5'10 (178.5cm) with a 33"(84.5cm) true inseam, normal length arms, neck etc. 180lbs(82kg). Very average!

    I have tried a large, which felt ok-ish. I haven't been able to try a medium. The shop owner thinks medium would be too small for me but then - as he has a large in stock - he would wouldn't he..! Ideally I'd like to try both before deciding but I don't think that's going to be possible.

    So two specific questions if I may:

    1. What size Echo are you riding, and what are your height and true inseam measurements? What length stem do you have?
    2. Is it better - for this type of bike - to be at the top end of medium or the bottom end of large? I think I'd rather shorten than lengthen the stem, so maybe large with 10/20mm off the stem might be the answer..?

    I'd really welcome some input from Echo owners. Thanks in advance!


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    I'm 5'9"' 32" inseam and bought a medium which fit just fine. I've always ridden mediums, well once I stopped riding my Stingray with a banana seat and sissy bar, but I digress.........

    My bike came with the Race Face 35 mm stem, pretty short, don't know the exact length but the bike handled really well. I personally would err on the size of a smaller frame, shorter wheelbase equals better handling, easier to get on in the snow with a slightly lower top tube, just my opinion though and we know about those.......

    I would try and ride a medium before deciding. I just happen to have my medium frame for sale with headset if your interested in doing a build Nothing wrong with the bike, just decided that for a year round bike full suspension was needed in my riding area.

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    5'8" w/ 30 inch inseam on a small. It's barely big enough - I've got the seatpost maxed out - but it's perfect. I'd err on the side of a smaller frame. Stock stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanTr View Post
    I'm after an Echo and looking for a little input on sizing. I often seem to fall slightly between sizes on bikes for some reason, and it looks like this is the case here.

    I'm Mr average: 5'10 (178.5cm) with a 33"(84.5cm) true inseam, normal length arms, neck etc. 180lbs(82kg). Very average!

    I have tried a large, which felt ok-ish. I haven't been able to try a medium. The shop owner thinks medium would be too small for me but then - as he has a large in stock - he would wouldn't he..! Ideally I'd like to try both before deciding but I don't think that's going to be possible.

    So two specific questions if I may:

    1. What size Echo are you riding, and what are your height and true inseam measurements? What length stem do you have?
    2. Is it better - for this type of bike - to be at the top end of medium or the bottom end of large? I think I'd rather shorten than lengthen the stem, so maybe large with 10/20mm off the stem might be the answer..?

    I'd really welcome some input from Echo owners. Thanks in advance!

    Ian
    I'm 6'1" <80kg with 35 inch inseam riding a Large with 90mm stem. Started out with a 100mm stem and may go back to a 100 at some point.

    I wouldn't want my frame any bigger than the large at 6'1" so I'd really want to try the Medium at your size before I plunked down my coin. large may be fine for you but I'd want to try both.

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    5'-9" 33" Inseam and ride a medium. When I talked to Borealis they recommended a medium. If you do any riding in the snow you have to be able to put your foot down and depending on how deep the snow is it could get painful.

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    Anybody running the XX1 fat bike crank? I've got one on with the following spacers on BB: 1 spacer drive side, 2 spacers ND. Crank seems to snug up nicely without any play or lateral tension on BB bearings but it doesn't offer a whole lot of crank arm clearance to the chain stays...? Also thankfully it's a 28t chain ring, anything larger would contact the chain stay.

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    should be two spacers on the drive side and one on the non-drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by screamingbunny View Post
    should be two spacers on the drive side and one on the non-drive
    Right on. I had it that way and thought the ND side crank arm was too close so switched and it obviously got better and seemed to have better clearance on the drive side with 1 spacer than the ND with 1 but taking into account some drive side flex due to chain tension, I went back to your way. IT's a tight squeeze either way though for those that are thinking of using this crank. I can't really find any solid data stating Q-factor.

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    Took mine in its maiden voyage today as well. Ride cut short by a locked up SRAM Guide master cylinder for the rear brake. It worked great for about 5 miles, and then the lever was rock hard, zero braking. If you squeeze it very slowly it will move but with any normal operation, it's completely solid. Cracked the bleeder at caliper still rock solid, no fluid expelled, same with the master cyl bleeder, has to be something inside the master. I'm thinking possibly some debris that is blocking one of the ports when applying. I might pop it apart a little further just to give a look for some blockage / debris. Tons of fun while it lasted...

    Another thought for those who are considering 45Nrth, love the grip of the flowbeist and dunderbeist but they definitely require more legs to keep them rolling.

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    Resurrecting this thread!! Whats up Echo riders, I was wondering now that you must have had your bikes for awhile, considering that they retired this model, what do you think of them? Still loving it? Would love to see some more pics of current builds.

    I have the opportunity to buy a new frame for a good price that the seller never built up. I am curious on what you enjoy with the frame or what you think is missing? I'll probably end up starting with a carbon fork, any recommendations on what works well with this frame? I've heard Borealis made one for the Echo but unsure where to find one or if there is something better.. perhaps with rear and forward facing cage mounts.

    Cheers, Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Resurrecting this thread!! Whats up Echo riders, I was wondering now that you must have had your bikes for awhile, considering that they retired this model, what do you think of them? Still loving it? Would love to see some more pics of current builds.
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    I've had one since 2014.....put a gazillion miles on it.
    It was my go to bike year round until I got a Farley EX last year.
    As far as forks...I run a Mastodon on mine....but there's a bunch of carbon forks out there to fit everyone's budget.

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    Had it for few years and absolutely love it. Not the fastest bike due to weight of the original rims. The only thing to upgrade. ...oh also had to get new rear brakes. Guide's locked up still don't know why. Yes. Bike is nothing short of amazing.

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    Love mine! Put some Chinese carbon hoops on when I built it up. Super lightweight for a fattilac. Favorite bike to ride but after sitting through the summer also out of commission to due to locked up Guide master cylinder as well.....

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    Had mine about 4 seasons and love it. Rode it pretty much stock until this year when I got Nextie carbon wheels, SRAM GX 1x, and xt brakes. Itís a great bike. Still using the Bluto that came on it. Not a great Fork. Iím considering going rigid carbon.
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    Awesome to hear the love for this frame! I'll most likely be buying it. It will be my first carbon frame so I just wanted so see how they've been holding up and any potential issues I didn't know about. Thanks!

    It sounds like the original wheels and brakes were the downfall of the build kit as said before and the reviews of the bike elsewhere... This wont be a problem as I am buying just the frame and will build it up with some good bits. The real problem begins.. how not to break the bank!

    I guess it is time to clean up and sell the John Deere Moonlander..

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    Iíve got a medium frame that Iíll sell if that fits you. I can throw in the Bluto fork too if youíd like that. The bike worked great for me but for a fulltime ride I had to move to full suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghood View Post
    Rode it pretty much stock until this year when I got Nextie carbon wheels, .
    Those Nexties.. what rim did you get? I'm trying to decide between Nextie, Btlos, and LB rims. It seems like Nextie and Btlos might buy their single wall rim from the same supplier, the profile looks exactly the same. I do really like the Nextie Wild dragonII though. It looks like a robust design that would lend it self to more trail riding. I also like the the LB single wall design, very similar to the Nextie and Btlos but the reinforced areas around the spoke holes seem pretty smart.

    Decisions, decisions.. I'll probably go DT swiss or Hope for hubs. It might just depend on what ever is cheaper. I actually like the idea of the hope hubs being louder to possibly alert bears in the area.. something I think about on the trails here in AK. Haven't decided what fork yet.. carbon or Mastodon. Probably carbon since the snow is falling. The Mastodon seems like the fork of choice for fat bike sus. I still have to figure out the other parts of the drive train but will likely go SRAM GX or NX 1X12.

    This will be my first complete frame build up, can wait to get started.. I'll post some pics as thing happen.

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    If this deal for this frame I have lined up falls trough, I 'll entertain the offer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Those Nexties.. what rim did you get? I'm trying to decide between Nextie, Btlos, and LB rims. It seems like Nextie and Btlos might buy their single wall rim from the same supplier, the profile looks exactly the same. I do really like the Nextie Wild dragonII though. It looks like a robust design that would lend it self to more trail riding. I also like the the LB single wall design, very similar to the Nextie and Btlos but the reinforced areas around the spoke holes seem pretty smart.

    Decisions, decisions.. I'll probably go DT swiss or Hope for hubs. It might just depend on what ever is cheaper. I actually like the idea of the hope hubs being louder to possibly alert bears in the area.. something I think about on the trails here in AK. Haven't decided what fork yet.. carbon or Mastodon. Probably carbon since the snow is falling. The Mastodon seems like the fork of choice for fat bike sus. I still have to figure out the other parts of the drive train but will likely go SRAM GX or NX 1X12.

    This will be my first complete frame build up, can wait to get started.. I'll post some pics as thing happen.
    Xiphias. Itís like having a whole different bike. So much lighter where it really makes a huge difference. They have worked great so far. Tubeless at less than 5 psi when the snow is deep with no burping (bud and Lou).




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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Those Nexties.. what rim did you get? I'm trying to decide between Nextie, Btlos, and LB rims. It seems like Nextie and Btlos might buy their single wall rim from the same supplier, the profile looks exactly the same. I do really like the Nextie Wild dragonII though. It looks like a robust design that would lend it self to more trail riding. I also like the the LB single wall design, very similar to the Nextie and Btlos but the reinforced areas around the spoke holes seem pretty smart.

    Decisions, decisions.. I'll probably go DT swiss or Hope for hubs. It might just depend on what ever is cheaper. I actually like the idea of the hope hubs being louder to possibly alert bears in the area.. something I think about on the trails here in AK. Haven't decided what fork yet.. carbon or Mastodon. Probably carbon since the snow is falling. The Mastodon seems like the fork of choice for fat bike sus. I still have to figure out the other parts of the drive train but will likely go SRAM GX or NX 1X12.

    This will be my first complete frame build up, can wait to get started.. I'll post some pics as thing happen.
    Check out Sarma hubs.

    https://sarmabikes.com/factory-outle...arma-rear-hub/

    Good prices, durable, great engagement and sounds wicked! Love my sarma/nextie combo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techspec360 View Post
    Check out Sarma hubs.

    https://sarmabikes.com/factory-outle...arma-rear-hub/

    Good prices, durable, great engagement and sounds wicked! Love my sarma/nextie combo!
    Looks like they are out of stock.. how long have you been rolling on yours? I've seen mixed reviews on them.. but the price is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Looks like they are out of stock.. how long have you been rolling on yours? I've seen mixed reviews on them.. but the price is right.
    For a few bucks more....you can get a DT or Hope....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Looks like they are out of stock.. how long have you been rolling on yours? I've seen mixed reviews on them.. but the price is right.
    Iíve had them for a few years now and they are still rolling strong - which says a lot considering the only time I really ride this bike is in the snow rain and sand. I would definitely get another set without a doubt.

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    Iíve got the DTs. Iím growing to really like the silent hub. Especially when the snow is new and fluffy so that Iím moving silently through the woods.
    Western Montana

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    It has been some time and my frame still sits unbuilt though I am procuring the parts for this build now! I'll be going with the I9 hydra hubs and the new shimano XT 12spd to power it.

    I'm thinking about buying a Mastadon pro 120 second hand but the steer tube has already been cut. I am away working and not near my Echo to measure the head tube.

    The steer tube was cut to 7 3/16".... can anyone tell me if this will fit the frame?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    It has been some time and my frame still sits unbuilt though I am procuring the parts for this build now! I'll be going with the I9 hydra hubs and the new shimano XT 12spd to power it.

    I'm thinking about buying a Mastadon pro 120 second hand but the steer tube has already been cut. I am away working and not near my Echo to measure the head tube.

    The steer tube was cut to 7 3/16".... can anyone tell me if this will fit the frame?
    Thanks
    S 105mm
    M 120mm
    L 135mm

    7 3/16 = 182.5mm No spacers on the large with 47mm left to play with.
    Get fAt, Stay fAt, Ride fAt
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    S 105mm
    M 120mm
    L 135mm

    7 3/16 = 182.5mm No spacers on the large with 47mm left to play with.

    Sweet! She is a medium so there should be no worries.

    Thanks much BansheeRune

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripL View Post
    Sweet! She is a medium so there should be no worries.

    Thanks much BansheeRune
    No worries! Let us know how it turns out.
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