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    Black Floyd?

    Don't misunderstand, good folks @ Surly, I so appreciate the new options you're providing, I'm just curious.

    With the Fat world predominantly clamoring for more traction, what is the intended market for 'Floyd? A slick more or less exists with the Endo, and other than being fatter, it serves no trail purpose that I can see.

    Touring? Road/city? etc etc etc....

    Or am I missing something?
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    I would rock this tire in the summer no problem.

    But there is a whole custom bike market chomping at the bit for this tire myself included.
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    I'm sayin they built it for Trek a' la the Sasquatch that was posted round here not too long ago...Also the Sun cruiser would look (and prolly ride) way more smoother with the Floyds...
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    Aside from being a style choice for cruiser bikes - Cycles U.S. Homepage - Cycles U.S. LLC/Choppers U.S. indicates there is a healthy market - I could see them being used for winter commuting on plowed paths.

    Personally I have a path that gets mostly plowed, but there's a section that's too skinny for a plow to get through, and gets roughed by foot traffic and freezes in a lumpy fashion that is impossible to ride on 2" wide tires.

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    An Endo has a squarer profile, and a bad tendency to self steer when used up front, as I understand it. I would use the rounder Black Floyds in summer for commuting, bombing around town, and for gravel roads. Extends the use of the fat bike to more times of the year for some, I imagine.

    Plus, wouldn't the Black Floyd rule on sand? I would think that it would.
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    Gotcha, oaky, so some of this is aimed at a broader market than the bikes Surly makes, cool.

    @ Guitar Ted, dunno about sand, thinking it would spin like mad, but only when climbing, so, beach cruising, yes, dune hopping, probably not so much.....

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    If I was to ride the road/commute with my fatty, then I'd seriously consider these on a spare set of rims. But I really don't like the roads so .....

    I can see where the fat tire cruiser's would love these tires!

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    Next to a BFL i ordered a set of BF's as well.
    I think it will be an awesome tire to roll around the city or on the roads outside of them.

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    I'll be getting some of these for summer/gravel/commuting use.
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    I intend on replacing my Hookworms (fake fat tires) with this real fat urban tire. I have miles and miles of paved city roads to ride during the summer months. Wide tires don't get caught in DC's sewer grates! I also welcome the lower rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline814 View Post
    sewer grates!
    True, also promise of never ever pinch flatting one of these when pumped up for road use.

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    I'm interested in a set of 120's. I think they'll make a good road tire. I love Larry, but people can hear me coming a half mile away. Floyd no doubt has a lot less drag too.

    Does anyone know who has them in stock..

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    I've been commuting to work and back on my Mukluk here in Los Angeles. 26 miles round trip. I've been using the Larry tire that came with it, but I'm looking forward to getting the Black Floyd just for this reason. This bike is too much fun to leave it in the garage. Sometimes you have to make your own adventure. For now, the mean streets of LA are mine.

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    I had the same query about the Floyd, but all of a sudden, a fat wheel road bike makes sense
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    i like the look of them - but not sure if they would replace my hookworms for longer road rides, they would just be more mass and weight

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    I rode my Fatback to work with Larry's on it all summer.

    It's got a good amount of drag... and I had considered buying 29er rims and tires to hold me over till winter came back.

    Now that Black Floyd came out... I don't need to buy new rims/tires.

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    Universal Cycles has 'em in stock, use VIP10 or VIP15 for further discount:
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    Quote Originally Posted by suba View Post
    I'm interested in a set of 120's. I think they'll make a good road tire. I love Larry, but people can hear me coming a half mile away. Floyd no doubt has a lot less drag too.

    Does anyone know who has them in stock..
    universalcycles.com has them now.

    Let us know how they roll. I'm currently on the fence between getting 29er's and getting a couple of these.

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    Yes, the Black Floyds struck me as a very good pavement tire, and also as a good sand
    tire for the front. If it proves so, maybe a 4.7 someday?

    The nate also seemed like a good possibility as a sand drive tire...those knobs acting like
    paddles.

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    Black Floyd; brick tread
    Pink Floyd; The Wall, "All in all, just another brick in the wall...."

    Just wondering....

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    I wonder if they'd fit my Felt cruiser? If so, Surly may as well get my bank routing # so I can start direct depositing with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PugsleyLvr View Post
    If so, Surly may as well get my bank routing # so I can start direct depositing with them...
    No shite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pursuiter View Post
    Universal Cycles has 'em in stock, use VIP10 or VIP15 for further discount:
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    Thanx pursuiter (!) I just ordered two.

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    MCS, coolest tire I've seen in years. Sure the others are more practical but damn...

    Just order a set!
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    I reeeeeeally need to check my Felt's tire clearance. Those remind me of tall, fat, muscle car radials. Needs red striping!

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    Neh...
    Whitewalls or even better, skinwalls !

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11 View Post
    MCS, coolest tire I've seen in years.
    Thanks, nice pic, those do look bada$$!

    I do question folks saying they'd be good in sand, particularly in front?

    Based on my experiences early on with the Endo in front, I wouldn't use the BF's for anything but pavement, but perhaps that just me....
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    I second Sandrat's reply! I think this will be an awesome dune riding Ft. tire. Dune Buggy's, quads & etc. use very similar tread (if any tread at all) up front for a reason. In fact, If I was going to run BFL's in the dunes, I'd trim everything except the edge knobby's (leave them for cornering on the packed/wet sand) off the front. Longitudial tread may help with "tracking" in soft sand, but knobby's get in the way, create resistance and act like saw teeth breaking up your floatation and digging you in. I'll be buying one of these as soon as I can for a sand front on the Fatback!

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    I'd like to see a BFBF ( Big Fat Black Floyd )

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    It might work up front in sand...kind of like a "razor back" atv tire...kind of...would probably still wash out as the tread isn't really very exaggerated...definite applications on all things paved though.
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    I tried a Larry on a trials rim in a 1x1 fork, and it would have fit had I been willing to trim the side knobs. How much you want to bet BFloyd would clear, maybe even on a Marge?

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    you could just kill it on a BMX track with them.

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    ^^^ No doubt it's a go fast tire.....

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    I might build up a second wheelset for use with Black Floyds. It would also be my second wheelset in the winter. One would be with BFLs, the other self studded Larrys.

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    Maybe Surly has rustled this up to save us the anguish of lacing 29er rims to our hubs for summer use
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    i cant see much point of them over buying hookworms for road use - and they are prob 25% of the cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by cozz View Post
    i cant see much point of them over buying hookworms for road use - and they are prob 25% of the cost
    How tall are the Hookworms? The problem with running any other 26" tire on the pugs is that it's going to lower your BB by an inch or two - and thus increase the likelihood of bashing your pedals on stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empire_builder View Post
    How tall are the Hookworms? The problem with running any other 26" tire on the pugs is that it's going to lower your BB by an inch or two - and thus increase the likelihood of bashing your pedals on stuff.

    yeah but for ROAD use - what are you planning on bashing your pedals on ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cozz View Post
    yeah but for ROAD use - what are you planning on bashing your pedals on ?
    Fair point. But my cranks are 185's. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to pedal through corners.

    So I still think it's fair to ask the question, how much BB height do you lose when you run other 26" tires on a Pugs? I guess I could measure this myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmucker View Post
    I might build up a second wheelset for use with Black Floyds.
    I was thinking about doing the same after seeing Benwitt's photo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by empire_builder View Post
    Fair point. But my cranks are 185's. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to pedal through corners.
    What kind of crank's are you using ?

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    Ward & Damnitman:

    The ribs may be too close together, but that can be solved per Ward.

    If they are a little too short in heigth, add more.

    The platform is there IMO, perhaps Surly will tell us about their intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    What kind of crank's are you using ?
    Surly Mr. Whirly. Cost you about 275 for the arms, spider, and spindle, assuming you already have an outboard BB and chainrings from your previous crank. And no, they don't work with any other spindle of course.

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    I didn't knew they went up to 185mm.
    But the price....

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    Quote Originally Posted by empire_builder View Post
    Fair point. But my cranks are 185's. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to pedal through corners.

    So I still think it's fair to ask the question, how much BB height do you lose when you run other 26" tires on a Pugs? I guess I could measure this myself...
    Depends on psi, could need to measure while sitting on the bike to get true height of each.
    However, lets assume fatties are 29" roughly and 26" is 26" roughly, split the difference for 1.5" drop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    What kind of crank's are you using ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    I didn't knew they went up to 185mm.
    But the price....
    I should've check before I posted -- actual cost is about $235. If you have to add the bearings and rings, however, you're well over $300.

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    185mm !!!!!!!!

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    Benwitt11 I just read your blog post on these tires and it is spot on. If you dont mind I am going to repost your pic.
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    Oh yeah!



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    sorry, it's an old bike...he may not maintain the site anymore. I'll figure out what sort of contact info is available.
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    They are fast! I'd add a large chainring to my triple if I rode them a lot. Took a ride on gravel and they worked well. Did notice a bit more or a tendency to turn in vs my Larry's. I'll be putzing with the Cane Creek AngleSet to dial in my preferred setting.
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    I think Black Floyds would be great used for travelling where there are good amount of roads but sand, mud and gravel as well. Kind of situation where Hookworms are not enough comfortable, but Larrys would be too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow leopard View Post
    I think Black Floyds would be great used for travelling where there are good amount of roads but sand, mud and gravel as well. Kind of situation where Hookworms are not enough comfortable, but Larrys would be too much.
    Exactly what I'm thinking. They'd be perfect for the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route.

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    I just rode all day yesterday with a guy that had Black Floyds on Large Marges on a Pugs. He was doing all the single track we were on Larrys and BFL's just as fast, and walked away from us on the paved sections and gravel. He did go down on a high speed corner while trying to out sprint a guy on a cross bike though!

    I think the Black Floyd is more capable than some might think. While not an all-out traction monster, it will hold its own on hard pack, I think.

    And by the way, this tire has the most awesome scream when skidded on pavement. It'll make you giggle.
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    Mine will be here tomorrow. My concern is how long will they last. The tread looks pretty shallow. I can't figure out why they didn't make the tread deeper. Anyone know ? Nevertheless, they fit the bill for a road / general purpose tire which no doubt will be quieter than the Larry's I currently have.

    I'll try to post a pic with my impressions later...

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    Can't wait to receive my pair...
    I guess these tires will see a lot of miles on paved roads etc....
    So with that in mind, it would have been a good move of Surly to provide them with a reflective strip on the sidewall.
    In some countries you are not allowed to ride on the road at night without them, or at least have some reflectors in the spokes.

    Just my 2 Eurocents....

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    Def getting a pair of BF's for pea gravel/tar riding. And they look SICK on the bike for sure.

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    I wonder of the floyd's will be able too go too a higher pressure.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanitaire View Post
    I wonder of the floyd's will be able too go too a higher pressure.......
    Like 25psi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    Oh yeah!



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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    How deep is the BF tread?

    Shiggy, I'd say two millimeters or so. Pretty shallow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    And by the way, this tire has the most awesome scream when skidded on pavement. It'll make you giggle.
    Haha, I wonder if it has to do with the pattern - my friend had Schwalbe fat franks on an old Schwinn and they did the exact same thing! It was so sweet! Reminded me of a 707 taking off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    And by the way, this tire has the most awesome scream when skidded on pavement. It'll make you giggle.
    Quote Originally Posted by western high plains View Post
    Haha, I wonder if it has to do with the pattern - my friend had Schwalbe fat franks on an old Schwinn and they did the exact same thing! It was so sweet! Reminded me of a 707 taking off.
    These comments right here just tipped me over the edge to pull the trigger and get a second wheel set built up with some Black Floyd's. Can't wait to get them on the Pugs and start acting a fool like I was nine years old again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Shiggy, I'd say two millimeters or so. Pretty shallow.
    Thanks. Not going to be much braking grip there, on dirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Thanks. Not going to be much braking grip there, on dirt.
    Nope, not much grip for braking, or climbing, but the sheer amount of "rubber hitting the road" makes up for a bit of that on the right kind of trails. That and the crazy low pressures one could get away with make for something that might do more than you would think at first glance.

    That said, it isn't a Nate 3.8"er by any stretch of the imagination! Obviously, its home territory will be hard, paved surfaces, gravel roads, and maybe sand. Just don't turn down any single track rides because you are running Black Floyds though.
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    Yup... Any bike, anywhere. Run whatcha' brung.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Just don't turn down any single track rides because you are running Black Floyds though.

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    Got mine on my bike today. I like the tire. No doubt it will roll well, but I don't understand why they didn't make it with a deeper tread. For the money spent I think there should be more tread. I'm not a weight weeny, so a heavier tire wouldn't have bothered me.

    btw, has anyone else noticed the inscription by the bead ? I didn't write it down, but I believe it said ' Not synchronous with the Wizard of Oz (!)

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    that's like 3.75 American cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by suba View Post
    btw, has anyone else noticed the inscription by the bead ?
    does not synchronize with the wizard of oz
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    does not synchronize with the wizard of oz
    confirming the Pink Floyd reference:
    Wizard of Oz and Dark Side of The Moon

    Matching a movie to an unrelated album is know as synchronicity. For whatever reason, it (and especially DSotM / Wizard of Oz) has gotten a great deal of press lately. There are other Pink Floyd related synchronicity matchings (such as WYWH with Blade Runner), but I'm only going to deal with the DSotM one. If you wish to read more about synchronicities, I suggest you visit....
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    First ride with BF. Light rain, 70 degrees. Visibility three miles. The minute I cranked the peddles I though of three things. Smooth. Quiet. Fast. Grippy ( ok four : ) Much less drag than Larry or even Endo's. Much less effort peddling even at times against a fairly stiff headwind. Almost silent compared to the others. A good road/hard surface tire. They might work fine in sand too. Snow....I wouldn't go there...but maybe someone will prove me wrong.

    I really like how they handle. I could coast a looong way. Soft plush ride even at 25psi. The only question I have is how well they'll wear. I'm sort of skeptical of the shallow tread which isn't quite solid. It has very fine crosshatches, which make the tire very grippy, but when they wear off what happens then. Only time will tell. For the cost of the tire we should expect them to last thousands of miles.

    imo BF is a great addition to fat bikes. It's a whole new experience ( for me ) riding on them. If you ride roads or relatively hard surfaces they're fast, sleek, and pretty sweet.

    I recommend them
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    Hey Drew...

    If I lived in Iowa we could certainly trade off It's true my bike is set up more as a tourer than anything else. I plan on doing an extended tour with it someday.

    BF really add's to the versatility. Now I've got a Pugs racer

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    Very pretty. BTW, how are those water bottle cages attached to the fork?

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    Thanks for the compliment. My Pugs has been a labor of love. The lower bracket of the bottle cage is bolted directly to the braze on. The upper bracket is secured using a plastic light mounting fixtures. They fit perfectly around the fork. Very solid.
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    What cage is that?

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    Come to think of it...Black Floyds @ 25psi = possible tubeless?

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    How much does BF weigh? I'm guessing a bit less than a Larry?

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    Dunno about going tubeless. Although I didn't weigh mine, Floyd seemed to weigh significantly less than Larry. Floyd seems to have less internal volume than Larry or Endo. I could inflate Floyd much quicker than the other two.

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    I totally get the need for a tire like the BFs. The Endos may look like a good street tire, but every time I ride them on the pavement, I say to myself "rolling resistance, thy name is Endomorph". I have analyzed it for a while and I think I figured it out. The knobs are short, but they are looooong way apart. The tire falls all the way down to the casing between every knob. On a regular knobby, the tire stays on top of the row of knobs and forms a sort of smooth overall surface to stay on. That same characteristic makes them create sand paddles. It also makes the feel very weird to steer. I am thinking Larrys in the front would be the best, even in the sand.

    So when I travel around the world on my fatbike, I will need to figure out how to bring along an endo/folding BFL combo, a pair of BFs and a Nate.
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    They are fast! I'd add a large chainring to my triple if I rode them a lot. Took a ride on gravel and they worked well. Did notice a bit more or a tendency to turn in vs my Larry's. I'll be putzing with the Cane Creek AngleSet to dial in my preferred setting.
    I'm wondering what you mean by "turn in ". I rode with a BF on my front wheel today (paved commute), and I was dismayed by how hard it was to turn the bike aggressively. When I leaned the bike over to turn it seemed to fight me and try to stand back up by itself. I liked the way Larry turned much, much better. I'm going to go back to Larry on the front and try Floyd in the rear.

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    I had the same thoughts about the BFs. They seem to fall in but then begin to understeer. I'm on the fence about them as a pavement tire. They are fast, that's for sure, and quiet. But the bike handling has changed dramatically. I really enjoyed how straight the bike tracked with the Larrys on. The BFs seem to be all over the place, like the tire isn't sure where it wants to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area45 View Post
    ...The BFs seem to be all over the place, like the tire isn't sure where it wants to be.
    That's interesting. I was wondering about how it would feel looking at the photos. Basically a ribbed tyre.

    I'm getting a set of BFs. I was thinking of tyre pressures around 15lbs to 20lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area45 View Post
    I had the same thoughts about the BFs. They seem to fall in but then begin to understeer. I'm on the fence about them as a pavement tire. They are fast, that's for sure, and quiet. But the bike handling has changed dramatically. I really enjoyed how straight the bike tracked with the Larrys on. The BFs seem to be all over the place, like the tire isn't sure where it wants to be.
    That's not the case with me at all. What tire pressure are you running. I'm @ 25psi. Handling and tracking could't be better. At least on smooth pavement. Going over bumpy areas is sort of bouncy, but nothing too different from Larry imo. They're virtually silent with a very low rolling resistance. My 50+lb Pugs glides along with the greatest of ease.

    What I think is happening though is that because the tire has a round profile when you turn you're off the center rib if running higher psi. The other ribs bite and there's a tendency to oversteer as the tire wants to roll even further. I think for me it's just that I'm going so much faster and I can lean further into the turn that I need to fine tune my motor skills a little. I think the more tuned a bike is, the better the tires will perform. I mean a bike that isn't dialed in well might not ride that well with Floyd's. In that case a slower knobby tire might be preferable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by empire_builder View Post
    I'm wondering what you mean by "turn in ". I rode with a BF on my front wheel today (paved commute), and I was dismayed by how hard it was to turn the bike aggressively. When I leaned the bike over to turn it seemed to fight me and try to stand back up by itself. I liked the way Larry turned much, much better. I'm going to go back to Larry on the front and try Floyd in the rear.

    What bike/frame were you riding? The geometry of my Northpaw is not the same as most other fat bikes out there. Larry and Large Marge are perfecto on it. The Black Floyd had a tendency to want to tighten up a turn once initiated. That is what I meant by "turn-in".
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmenzer View Post
    What bike/frame were you riding? The geometry of my Northpaw is not the same as most other fat bikes out there. Larry and Large Marge are perfecto on it. The Black Floyd had a tendency to want to tighten up a turn once initiated. That is what I meant by "turn-in".
    I'm riding a 22" pugs. I had the opposite reaction, which some others have now mentioned, that the bike resists turning. You can initiate a lean, but suddenly it wants to stand back up. Very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empire_builder View Post
    I'm riding a 22" pugs. I had the opposite reaction, which some others have now mentioned, that the bike resists turning. You can initiate a lean, but suddenly it wants to stand back up. Very strange.
    Try leaning into the turn more and keep tucked down. In you're case you have a higher c.g. ( center of gravity ) and centrifugal force would tend to make the bike want to right itself. I think Floyd's are enabling us to go faster, and with less feedback compared to Larry. I think it's just a matter of fine tuning your motor skills, keeping a lower c.g. in the fast turns.

    I tried a very low c.g. turn at speed and slightly oversteered because I overcompensated. A higher c.g would have made me no doubt understeer. The trick is finding the right c.g and balance at the right speed.

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    I increased the tire pressure to 25psi and it made a huge improvement. It still has a little bit of understeer, but it tracks wayyyyy better. I think my issue was too low of tire pressure on the front. Much better ride today. Only concern is getting that much air back in the tube with a handpump if I flat. It took a lot of effort to get it up to 25psi with the floor pump. I think I'll loose my arm if I trying doing it with my Topeak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area45 View Post
    I increased the tire pressure to 25psi and it made a huge improvement. It still has a little bit of understeer, but it tracks wayyyyy better. I think my issue was too low of tire pressure on the front. Much better ride today. Only concern is getting that much air back in the tube with a handpump if I flat. It took a lot of effort to get it up to 25psi with the floor pump. I think I'll loose my arm if I trying doing it with my Topeak!
    With a big strapping guy like yourself there should be no worries pumping up Floyd. Deal with a flat when the time comes. 25 psi is a super nice ride that's turned my Pugs into a racer....and can do the same for you

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    And the new info on the new and improved Surly website mentions that there is a possibility of a whitewall version in the future...!!
    (a skinwall would really get me excited, but this will do for now)

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    Finally got my second wheelset built up with some Floyd's. Too bad it's been pouring rain today...


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    Anybody ridden Floyds on gravel or sand yet? I've been riding my Pugs w/Larrys on long gravel rides and have fallen in love with it. I like the idea of a set of lite Marges with Floyds for bashing around town and gravel grinding. But I'd probably stick with what I have, saving the cash, considering what little pavement riding I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nm13 View Post
    Anybody ridden Floyds on gravel or sand yet? I've been riding my Pugs w/Larrys on long gravel rides and have fallen in love with it. I like the idea of a set of lite Marges with Floyds for bashing around town and gravel grinding. But I'd probably stick with what I have, saving the cash, considering what little pavement riding I do.
    I have not, but over Labor Day weekend I did ride with a fella that was running a 2011 Pugs with Floyds on LM's. We did do a fair amount of gravel, enough to see that he wasn't suffering any detrimental effects due to the tires he was running.

    Looked like a good combo for gravel to me. For a fat bike, that is.
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    I've had mine on gravel. Seemed quieter, quicker, and floated better than Larry. No skidding or loss of control that I could detect, but you need to be aware of the tires strengths and limitations just like any other tire.

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    Damn. I was hoping you'd say they were terrible on gravel so I could quit fantasizing about new wheels and tires. I really do like Larrys on Marges for most of the riding I do but saving some weight is always appealing.
    Any thoughts on gravel/dirt traction differences between Floyds and Larrys? I do a lot of long fast descents on gravel while loaded and have been impressed how comfortable and confidence inspiring the Larrys have been.
    Suba,I love your bike by the way and like your thinking about how versatile these things can be.

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    Hey nm...

    Thanks for the compliment You're right when you say how versatile these bikes are. They may not be the best at any one thing ( except float ) but overall imo they perform very well under any riding condition with the proper tire. That's what makes them so good. These bikes have no lasting weaknesses.

    There are traction differences between Floyd and Larry. For the type of riding I do Larry was overkill. Floyd's are a lot less work, and quieter too. I can transition from road to trail to road with a pretty consistent ride. Larry's excel on trails, but roads are noisy with more drag. Your type of riding sounds like Larry or maybe Nate would be best, but don't discount Floyd. If you ride roads to the trail head, ride relatively hard pack, or do any pavement at all Floyd's are a cool tire. Get a set and try them out. They're faster than anything else we have at the moment, so ease into them learning about how far you can push the envelope.

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    I went out on a 45mi ride today with my friend riding her tri bike. She smoked me on the flats and down hill (ran out of gears...I only have 3). But, I had the legs to pass her on the hills. Here are some pics next to an old covered bridge.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cozz View Post
    i like the look of them - but not sure if they would replace my hookworms for longer road rides, they would just be more mass and weight
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    If you ask me the weight difference is marginal. Hookworms are thick and tough as hell, BFs are bigger and thinner. Hookworms are more flat resistant but protect the rim less because of their width. For me BFs win because of the cool fatness factor, plus I bet they have less rolling resistance because of their bigger diameter.

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    A better question would be: Why in the heck are you offering Floyds when you can't even Nates to the dealers?

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    Why not? The Black Floyd is a great tyre. I enjoyed riding mine on the road and fire trails. The bike seemed so fast...
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    I got a set of Floyd's this week. Very impressed with the sort test rides. Very smooth ride on road, works good on fire road/gravel trails & even performs fairly well on sand. Mine are for summer riding from home, as there are lots of good coastal paths linked by road around here, or when the bike is set up for touring.
    Steering is a bit strange at low pressures though, but you soon get used to it.
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    I ran mine between 12-15psi rather than my usual fatbike 8psi.
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    The endo is the only Surly tyre I have not tried, but I imagine it is the same from what I have read.

    I was running low pressures to try a mixture of terrain on the same ride. For sure, more pressure up front will help the steering.

    Even at low pressures it does roll really well. So much so, I ran out of gears & wished I had a triple for the first time since I got the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    ...Even at low pressures it does roll really well. So much so, I ran out of gears & wished I had a triple for the first time since I got the bike.
    Good to hear that. I thought the bike felt quite fast on them but that I was deluding myself.

    I'll have to try them with a speedo on the bike or go for a long road loop.

    Tried them on the beach yet?

    I quite fancy doing the Outer Hebrides this summer, and one thing I'd really like to do is ride the long beaches of South Uist instead of road - there's plenty of interesting archeology along the way.
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    Yeah, I used them on the beach on the return loop.

    I would say they can cope with most beach riding just fine. It is a good compromise between a tyre that is nice rolling on the road & usable beach. Not the ultimate in floatation or traction, but a nice blend, that lets you do a little bit of everything in comfort.

    Touring the Hebrides on these would be 100% right choice imo.
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    27tpi or 120tpi? Hmmm.

    I love supple tires but question how much different the ride quality will be between the two Black Floyd tire options, 27 vs. 120tpi. I mean at 10-20 psi, wouldn't the difference lie more in volume than the thread count? I'm dying to get a set for summer fat cruisin' with the family and the occasional trail that says, "come hither".

    Anyone ridden 27tpi vs. 120tpi Black Floyd?

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    I've read through, seems like a great tire - but..

    What's the quality of ride on a 120tpi Floyd in the snow as a front tire only?
    How does it compare on hard packed and soft?
    What pressure were you running at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roobydoo View Post
    I've read through, seems like a great tire - but..

    What's the quality of ride on a 120tpi Floyd in the snow as a front tire only?
    How does it compare on hard packed and soft?
    What pressure were you running at?
    Not a 100% on this but I'm pretty sure most people are not using this tire in snow and are using it on concrete/gravel/dry trails and are having a lot of fun. From what I've read 15-20 psi. The more pressure the more rigid. No firm reports on differences between the tpi counts


    Hope that helps in a nutshell. There is a lot of good info in this thread on this tire

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    I was just hoping to lighten up the front end and still be able to ride in snow too. Currently I'm still struggling a bit on the really hilly trails.
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    I wouldn't be keen to use it on snow. Slightest bit of solid slippery stuff underneath and I think it would get really tricky.

    But someone has got to try it first, and we haven't had snow here since the beginning of January, so maybe you can be the crash test dummy.
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    The light weight is most tempting. Maybe I should just borrow a friends 29er rear wheel just to see how much the weight itself is an issue.
    I guess I was just spoiled by my 19lb cross bike. I have it in mind to never put a computer on a pugsley to make sure it stays being about the ride, not the numbers.

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    I purchased a set of 120 tpi Floyd's, pumped in 25 psi and have been amazed how fast my 907 can go. The low rolling resistance is key but also the lower weight; the pair probably weigh 1-2 lbs less than my set of Larry & Endos.*Lower rolling mass = true joy.

    On pavement they're a blast but also on flat, hard pack snow. There's enough bite in the tread to justify early or late winter *use. But throw in untracked snow and you'll sink just like a skinnier tire. And at 25psi, the ride quality is horrible on frozen footracked trails. *Ride quality might improve with lower psi but not float, the profile is not meant for that.

    With Floyd "slicks", I have an entirely different bike and I'm glad I bought 'em. *I would never recommend them for snow but can hold their own on hardpack. I think they'll be perfect on dry dirt trails and the roads to get there. Thanks Surly.

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    I was out for a couple of hours today with Floyds on - mainly singletrack, some technical, and some forestry road.

    It came to me as I was riding that the responsiveness was very similar to my SS cyclocross bike (apart from the greater cush of the tyres!). Things like the corner grip at speed on wet dirt (the uncertainty) and eagerness to accelerate. Time for some experimentation then.

    On the fire road I snicked the bike into top gear (68" compared to my cx bike's only gear at 70") and rode it like a singlespeed without touching the gears again. I attacked the hills on the upside and was pleased with the result, it just flew. So for most of the rest of the ride I rode it like that. I had a bit of a struggle on some bits and it was harder on the singletrack, but everything I tried was possible. I really didn't expect that to work as well as it did.

    My mates were on geared bikes so I buttoned it back eventually in case they thought I was grandstanding. (For those who don't know it, a good single speed technique on hills is to attack rather than to grind up - which is fine until you meet a really long hill).

    We all started together at the bottom of this hill (down at the right) and this was my 2nd pic - they're too small to see in the first. (Not a big climb, 30metres ascent in 470metres)





    I'm not sure I could manage a whole day out on a single speed with the Floyds at 68", but I'm going to give it a go at around the 60" mark. If that works ok, then it will make for a good all round bike for road, forestry track and lots of singletrack.

    For comparisons sake, I don't fancy going over 45" on a lugged tyre for a SS fatbike. Although I suppose I should at least try it
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    wrong page, disregard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFat1 View Post
    I purchased a set of 120 tpi Floyd's, pumped in 25 psi and have been amazed how fast my 907 can go. The low rolling resistance is key but also the lower weight; the pair probably weigh 1-2 lbs less than my set of Larry & Endos.*Lower rolling mass = true joy.

    On pavement they're a blast but also on flat, hard pack snow. There's enough bite in the tread to justify early or late winter *use. But throw in untracked snow and you'll sink just like a skinnier tire. And at 25psi, the ride quality is horrible on frozen footracked trails. *Ride quality might improve with lower psi but not float, the profile is not meant for that.

    With Floyd "slicks", I have an entirely different bike and I'm glad I bought 'em. *I would never recommend them for snow but can hold their own on hardpack. I think they'll be perfect on dry dirt trails and the roads to get there. Thanks Surly.
    Thank you Thank you - exactly the kind of info I was looking for.... But I still want one... so, not sure I really solved anything for my bank account, just changed when the tire goes on.

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    Can I get some measurements of this tire on various rims. I need to check clearance before I order rims.
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    Touring the Hebrides on these would be 100% right choice imo.
    I really, really didn't need to read that.....

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    I just order my pugsley with a pair of these tires. It's one of my favorite bikes around Portland now! It's like having a commuter bike with no limitations. I haven't even tried the knobby tires! Feels just like a motorcycle around corners! I'm really looking forward to long distance gravel touring with these.

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    [QUOTE=redline814;8624659]

    What's the story on this long tail frame? Looks cool. I would expect it to have a long rack to go with it but don't see any mounts. How's it handle?
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    What's the story on this long tail frame? Looks cool. I would expect it to have a long rack to go with it but don't see any mounts. How's it handle?
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    I've seen the 27tpi versions for under $70, so I'm thinking of picking a set up for summer riding. I suppose that the 27tpi would make more sense anyways because I'd rather have the beefier sidewalls if I'll primarily be riding on hardpack/pavement at higher air pressures. Am I correct my line of thinking? Is there a major difference weight-wise between the 120tpi and 27tpi version? I thought I recalled seeing the 120tpi version in the range of 1050g.

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    How do these tires handle hardpack, rooted singetrack (dry conditions)? I saw a few comments about decent hardpack, but wondering it anyone has taken them on heavily rooted trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    How do these tires handle hardpack, rooted singetrack (dry conditions)? I saw a few comments about decent hardpack, but wondering it anyone has taken them on heavily rooted trails.
    Was doing just that today - no problem so long as it's dry. However I'd regard them as more fire road and ordinary road tyres that can handle a bit of singletrack so long as there's no mud/slime.
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    Black Floyd

    I like the Black Floyds. I use the Floyds + Graceful Fat Sheba. I like to use the Mukluk on occasion to commute and the Floyds are great for that purpose (if you can put up with the steering weirdness). Also, they feel strange on single track and for me, do not inspire confidence (I probably need to lower the pressure for better performance while riding singletrack). The Floyds also seem to excel on gravel roads. Additionally, when the single track is too wet to ride the Floyds seem to work well on wet, muddy-ish gravel roads. Since the Floyds have no lugs, mud does not collect on the tire. You can easily ride through the muddier sections of the road in the tracks made by the vehicles on the road. I have yet to see how well the Floyds handle SERIOUS mud. I do not expect that they will handle it well. I will probably always keep a set of Floyds on my second wheelset. They make the bike more versatile. It's all about 'fattitude'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparlinx View Post
    ...I have yet to see how well the Floyds handle SERIOUS mud. I do not expect that they will handle it well...
    They don't

    They also don't like a smear of mud on a soft surface - it's like riding on ice.

    The pressure does make a big difference. Drop or raise a psi and change the handling.
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    Motorman approved road/beach combo touring tyre



    Hows that for low impact cycling
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    Motorman approved road/beach combo touring tyre



    Hows that for low impact cycling
    How do they handle in the sand? They remind me of the tires they use in the Sahara, etc. for trucks.

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    Pm'd back.....

    I found them really good, only thing that I would say negative, is the steering in softer conditions isn't as good a a larry, as there are no lugs for lateral grip. Other than that, they worked perfect & smooth. I like them for the right job.....
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    Motorman... How deep and what conditions (i.e. thick, fine powder, etc.) was your sand? Considering taking my fat bike on our beach vacation but don't want to bring two sets of tires. My riding will be a mix of tarmac and sand (my sand will be varying from medium-course grain/loose/shelly to tide-wash hardpack). Running Larry's on both ends now, BF's are on order.
    What PSI did you run on the sand?
    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    Pm'd back.....

    I found them really good, only thing that I would say negative, is the steering in softer conditions isn't as good a a larry, as there are no lugs for lateral grip. Other than that, they worked perfect & smooth. I like them for the right job.....
    Thanks, I sent the pm because I didn't want to derail the pic thread and then saw that you had posted here. Figured everyone could benefit from the info, thanks for sharing.

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    The school of thought on motorized vehicle sand tires being smooth (ish) is that tread caused the tires to dig in. If it were me Bacons I would mount up the Floyds and go. Better on the tarmac as well.

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    Bacons - Our beach is pretty much like you describe. Medium grit sand, none of it too soft. I was experimenting with about 9-10 psi on that ride, as I was combining with some sections of road to dial in the optimal pressure. I had a fantastic ride out on the beach with a slight tail wind, I ran out of gears because the bike rolls so well on the tidal hard sand.
    One thing to note, the steering on tarmac takes a little getting used to, the bike does want to self steer when leaned over. I have 80mm rims BTW



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    Awesome, Thanks Motorman (& modifier). You just made my decision to take only the BF's on vacation.
    Cheers!

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    I'm just waiting for someone to put these on clown shoe rims! It's already been done with Nates! C'mon! Somebody do it already so I can order a set of Black Floyds for my Moonlander! I don't want to buy and find out it's a no-go!

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    Thanks for the photos and the input, been waitng for just such.

    Do you think an Endo on the rear would offer an improvement over two Floyds?

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    After following this thread, I finally got inspired to grab a pair of Floyds from my LBS, and I was blown away at how sweet they are for spring riding now that the snow is melting away! So far I've only ridden on pavement, gravel and cobblestone but they've just flown on all those surfaces. Speed like a road bike but much more comfortable and fun! Just what I needed to motivate me to keep riding and stay off the trails until they firm up this summer

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    Inspired by what I've read around here I picked up a pair of Floyds recently. I've been using my Pugs for road riding with some slower friends and 6-mile commute into work many mornings and thought they'd be a nice tire for these purposes.

    Popped them on last night and rode in this morning.....and have to say I am less than impressed. Whenever there is an uneven or sloped surface they pull strongly in that direction. For my commute through the city they required continuous corrective steering. I was expecting this somewhat but was hoping for more "zen with the road"...less "my bike just almost auto-steered me into that car". I stopped at one point just to double check the tires were seated properly and there wasn't some other mechanical problem with the bike.

    I was running 11.5 on the front and 10.5 psi rear. At these pressures I didn't feel significantly more efficient that the Larry/Endo combo at similar psi. I'm hoping higher pressures might be the sweet spot for these tires, I'll update after a few more rides.

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    If you ride them on paved roads, i think you should try running them at a higher psi.
    I have been using them for a few months now and have had none of the problems that you describe.
    There is a 2 mile stretch of uneven road that i have done without my hands even touching the bars...

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    abraxist - I run mine at 25lbs on pavement and they run straight. If I make a sharp turn at a good lean or ride on a slope...I do get the "pull" you referenced. But, it is only the front tire that pulls (you can hear it gripping...err...pulling). Don't know why my rear does not do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline814 View Post
    abraxist - I run mine at 25lbs on pavement and they run straight. If I make a sharp turn at a good lean or ride on a slope...I do get the "pull" you referenced. But, it is only the front tire that pulls (you can hear it gripping...err...pulling). Don't know why my rear does not do the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    If you ride them on paved roads, i think you should try running them at a higher psi.
    I have been using them for a few months now and have had none of the problems that you describe.
    Yea that's kind of what I was thinking. Initially I just wanted to get a direct comparison to my other tires. Looking forward to trying them at a higher psi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    There is a 2 mile stretch of uneven road that i have done without my hands even touching the bars...
    I wouldn't have dared try that this morning. Even when the ground looked fairly flat and the tires were tracking perfectly straight, a slight unevenness and.....

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    Agree about pumping up the pressure. I think you have to look at it this way, if you were riding a roadie and dropped the pressure down, the bike will handle very poorly. Although the fat tie is massive in comparison, the principal here is the same. When on the street, pump 'em up. I'll likely max out the pressures for the tarmac. When I hit the sand, drop them down to about 10psi~.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxist View Post
    Inspired by what I've read around here I picked up a pair of Floyds recently. I've been using my Pugs for road riding with some slower friends and 6-mile commute into work many mornings and thought they'd be a nice tire for these purposes.

    Popped them on last night and rode in this morning.....and have to say I am less than impressed. Whenever there is an uneven or sloped surface they pull strongly in that direction. For my commute through the city they required continuous corrective steering. I was expecting this somewhat but was hoping for more "zen with the road"...less "my bike just almost auto-steered me into that car". I stopped at one point just to double check the tires were seated properly and there wasn't some other mechanical problem with the bike.

    I was running 11.5 on the front and 10.5 psi rear. At these pressures I didn't feel significantly more efficient that the Larry/Endo combo at similar psi. I'm hoping higher pressures might be the sweet spot for these tires, I'll update after a few more rides.
    Try 30psi

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    Update:

    I pumped them up to 25F26R before heading home yesterday (which is no simple task with a frame pump) and found all of my steering and other issues completely resolved. The ride was impressively efficient.

    Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if they'll get much ride time on my fatbike. At that PSI the bike is no longer quite the super cush all terrain monster it is with lower psi tires and there isn't the handicap that I like when road riding/bar hopping with slower friends. I'd say I'd be just as likely to grab my tourer or rigid mountain bike for the type of riding the Pugs with Floyds seems to be good for.

    Looking forward to trying them at 15-20 PSI and also looking forward to trying them out on sand.
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    Next step would be a squishy fork...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Next step would be a squishy fork...
    Followed by a squishy seatpost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxist View Post
    Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if they'll get much ride time on my fatbike. At that PSI the bike is no longer quite the super cush all terrain monster it is with lower psi tires and there isn't the handicap that I like when road riding/bar hopping with slower friends. I'd say I'd be just as likely to grab my tourer or rigid mountain bike for the type of riding the Pugs with Floyds seems to be good for.
    My purpose for the Floyd's is simple... ride to the trail/beach. Lower pressure, have fun on the trail/beach... then air up and head home on the tarmac.
    I also like riding the fat bike around the neighborhood... it's just something different. Sure, I could grab another one of my bikes, but there's a certain charm and "fun-ness" about riding these bikes outside of the a snowy trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline814 View Post
    Followed by a squishy seatpost...
    Didn't cross my mind, because i'm to heavy for the majority of the squishy posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelzbycks View Post
    I'm just waiting for someone to put these on clown shoe rims! It's already been done with Nates! C'mon! Somebody do it already so I can order a set of Black Floyds for my Moonlander! I don't want to buy and find out it's a no-go!


    didn't ride it, but it looks like it fights correctly.

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    Thank You! Awesome! BFL & BF side-by-side, please? Still have the wow factor of BFL's?

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    I didn't take a pic of that. I was just trying on the tire, didn't buy it. LBS was building up a beach cruiser for some NBA dude and I ganked his tire real quick. It was noticably skinnier than the BFL and the wheel's diameter was a lot smaller too.

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    Hey thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with the BFL's. That's why I bought the Moonlander, for the biggest tire out there! I hope more 4.5" options are coming soon!

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    A Common fella did Build this Bike... Black Floyds on 100mm rims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibor View Post
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    Looks hard to ride, but that isn't the point. Good fit for Floyds. I bet that sector jumps on them hard. Any pics of the purple fork bike in the back?

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    Mine arrived yesterday. Took a couple weeks, but for $60 a pop, worth the wait. Surly Black Floyd Tire 26x3.8" 120tpi at RememberDelaware.com (just noticed they are now selling them for $67... which is still a smokin deal).
    Only rode them around the 'hood, but what others have been saying is spot on... quiet and fast.
    Turn in is waaaay different from the Larrys. It will take a bit of getting used to. Looking forward to riding them on the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    Mine arrived yesterday. Took a couple weeks, but for $60 a pop, worth the wait. Surly Black Floyd Tire 26x3.8" 120tpi at RememberDelaware.com (just noticed they are now selling them for $67... which is still a smokin deal).
    Only rode them around the 'hood, but what others have been saying is spot on... quiet and fast.
    Turn in is waaaay different from the Larrys. It will take a bit of getting used to. Looking forward to riding them on the beach.
    $97.50 for the 120tpi version.

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    I went 27tpi... I don't need the pliability for how I am using (tarmac, beach).

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    Just put a set of the 27tpi version BFs on my Mukluk....definitely changed the bike. This was purely from a road riding perspective, that's the whole reason I got BFs...to make the Muk a road warrior.

    Started out with about 18 psi and the bike definitely wanted to oversteer (once a turn started the front tire wanted to turn in even tighter). In fact, at that PSI I needed to counter-steer pretty hard to keep it from falling in. I took it up to 25 psi and that helped out a lot. Began to feel more like a mountain bike would feel. So I said to heck with it and pumped those babys up to 30 psi - it got even better. So my quick testing says the higher the PSI the better for riding on the road.

    Just FYI. Not sure if the 120tpi version would be any different.

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    Black floyds

    I'm interested in hearing if anyone has mounted some of the Floyds on a Fatback's 90mm rims and how they worked in sand and on pavement? I just recently became the owner of a Fatback and am planning on riding it in Portland and on the Oregon coast with occasional trips out to the high desert of east of the mountains.

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    I have a question for you Black Floyd-ers. What sort of longevity could one expect with floyds on pavement? How are they with regards to flatting? I imagine that their low pressure helps avoid flats, but I'm curious nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaultbrad View Post
    I have a question for you Black Floyd-ers. What sort of longevity could one expect with floyds on pavement? How are they with regards to flatting? I imagine that their low pressure helps avoid flats, but I'm curious nonetheless.

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    I have hundreds of miles on mine...including the Hilly Billy Roubaix ( https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=4408944784589 ). It's been a solid tire. I tend to run them at near full psi for less resistance (I ride with slow road bikers). The center is starting to show wear...nothing unusual. I have had only 1 flat. The flat happened while riding the crappy streets of Washington DC. I ran over a huge nail. It slow leaked for about a block. When I pulled out the nail, the hole was small enough I could keep using the tire. That was a hundred or so miles ago.

    I'm still a fan.

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    I ran Floyds for one season (May to Sept.) mostly tarmac, some sand and hardpack singletrack. Wear has been minimal. When I put them back on in the Spring, I'll rotate the tires for even wear. I suspect I will get about three seasons on them before they need replacement.
    The tire on pavement is aired up to around 25lbs. They roll nice and fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaultbrad View Post
    I have a question for you Black Floyd-ers. What sort of longevity could one expect with floyds on pavement? How are they with regards to flatting? I imagine that their low pressure helps avoid flats, but I'm curious nonetheless.

    Be good,

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    I've got at least 5 or 6 50-mile pub crawls with BF's on RD's on my Necro Pug and also a 40 mile pavement/dirt road race (Black Fly Challenge in Inlet, NY). On pavement I run 25 psi and they run fast and smooth. There's only minimal wear in the center, they should last a while.

    I've had 2 flats from road debris, no worse than any road tire. One flat from a piece on metal left about a 3/4" tear in the tire; I patched it on the inside and it's been fine.

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    Thanks for the responses guys

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    800 miles this summer and they still look like new

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    I put at least 120mi/wk on my bike. I'd love it if they could last a couple thousand miles. I don't expect schwalbe marathon miles, but good wear life would be awesome and may push me over the edge and into fatty ownership.

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    Floyds and Flats

    I like how the Floyds add to the versatility of the bike! However, after a 3 month flatless honeymoon, I have had a number of flats over the past two months. All of the flats were caused by goathead thorns. Mostly I ride on asphalt with the Floyds but every once in a while I like to ride across a field. That is where I got the goatheads. I like the Floyds as they ride well on gravel roads but I have since added a tire liner to decrease the possibility of flats in the future.

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    Black Floyd or Knard or combination.

    For longer gravel and paved touring should I go Black Floyd or Knard? I will have a Large Marge lite as my rear rim. For the front I have a Fat Sheda rim available or I could use a29er front wheel with with dyno hub ( Ogre fork).
    Will be more gravel than tarmac...I hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostraveller View Post
    For longer gravel and paved touring should I go Black Floyd or Knard? I will have a Large Marge lite as my rear rim. For the front I have a Fat Sheda rim available or I could use a29er front wheel with with dyno hub ( Ogre fork).
    Will be more gravel than tarmac...I hope!
    Will the Ogre fork clear a Black Floyd? 3.8" labeled width vs 2.5" clearance? Anybody know the actual width of the B.F. inflated on 65mm Large Marge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gritter View Post
    Will the Ogre fork clear a Black Floyd? 3.8" labeled width vs 2.5" clearance? Anybody know the actual width of the B.F. inflated on 65mm Large Marge?
    I know it's 83mm on a 40mm rim.

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    Have a set on my new Pugslander (Pugsley frame w/ Moonlander fork) and they work great at 21psi on the street.
    Regarding the handling... For those who have experience with motorcycles, the handling or "oversteer" issue is exactly what you get with a motorcycle... I think it has something to do with the mass/gyro forces. On a motorcycle at speed you actually pull lightly on the side away from the direction of the curve and push lightly FORWARD on the side that you want to turn towards. It causes the bike to lean in the direction of the turn... tilting towards the smaller ribs on the inside of the tire.
    I guess the pressure on the bars in the opposite direction is the rider's way of anticipating the oversteer and setting up to counteract it. It is not a problem once you get used to it... I personally love the new bike... way different from my old Stumpjumper.

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    I could see it might be a problem if you are turning without hands on the bars, but it's all a matter of adjusting rider input. I really really like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    I've read in a few places that they have been discontinued because of the self steer complaints
    I hope not. When I wear out mine, I'll want another set.
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    The tire is still listed on Surly's site...it's still for sale. If they do discontinue, I plan on stockpiling a set as I love these tires.
    I have noticed the only "self-steer" issues are only on tarmac and at low pressures. I pumped them up to 30psi for a 50 mile tarmac ride this past weekend, and I can take my hands off the bars for miles at a time. They are perfectly balanced. To those that say you shouldn't be airing up fat tires this high, you are correct ...if you are running HuDu's, Nates, et. al. But the BF was designed with tarmac in mind and higher pressure. (don't believe me, ask Surly ).
    Long live the Floyd... a great, purpose-created tire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    The tire is still listed on Surly's site...it's still for sale. If they do discontinue, I plan on stockpiling a set as I love these tires....

    Long live the Floyd... a great, purpose-created tire!
    I've just ordered another pair, just in case.
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    Hate to revive and old thread, so I apologize. I was wondering how many miles you were getting with the Black Floyd and what kind of riding you guys do. I'm pretty set on getting a pair for the Lurch, but I would like to see some feedback. I've found a decent set of off brand tires that would be about 80 bucks cheaper a pair. But I really like the tan sidewall of the black floyds for some reason...

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    I'm on Floyd's, I only have 4 or 5 rides on sand roads and trails
    They're great for sand, roll fast, plenty of traction using low pressures

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdventureRider View Post
    Hate to revive and old thread, so I apologize. I was wondering how many miles you were getting with the Black Floyd and what kind of riding you guys do. I'm pretty set on getting a pair for the Lurch, but I would like to see some feedback. I've found a decent set of off brand tires that would be about 80 bucks cheaper a pair. But I really like the tan sidewall of the black floyds for some reason...
    I only have a 100 miles or so on the new BF's. So far they've been perfect, and I really dig the tan sidewalls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
    I'm on Floyd's, I only have 4 or 5 rides on sand roads and trails
    They're great for sand, roll fast, plenty of traction using low pressures
    I've been riding them almost every day for the last year... mostly pavement and they are really really fast... regarding pressure, they do tend to oversteer a bit when running lower psi (7-9), but perform great at 16-20 for the street... they love gravel... simply float and go, but don't do as well on slippery rocks roots. I have a set of knobbies (On One floater 4.0) but haven't mounted them yet... saving for a trail trip.

    Last week I rode the XC track at Ellicottville, NY (roots & rocks) on my old Specialized Stump Jumper and encountered a Pugs on the trail... it made me wish I'd brought it instead, but I was travelling with my wife & daughter and we all had our bikes in Toronto & DC and I didn't want to risk having it stolen... (my Stump Jumper was stolen years before in front of the Smithsonian... they took my wife's front wheel (silver) from her Specialized Hard Rock and quickly put it on my bike when they cut the lock... we had it running through both detatched fronts and rears and frames. I told the police on the Capitol Mall that I really didn't expect to recover it, but if by chance they happened to see a yelllow Stump Jumper with a black rear rim and a silver front rim.....
    When we got back to New Orleans, there was a message on our phone that they had tackled a guy on my bike who had just broken into someone's van and it is now my "lucky" travel bike.

    Sorry to hijack the thread, but it's a fresh story.

    The Floyds are great for low rolling resistance as they ride mostly on the center couple of ribs... once you get them up to speed, it's a breeze to maintain that momentum for as long as you want. I like the 120 tpi as they are light & flexible... I hope they bring them back, I would certainly get a pair to wait on the shelf 'till these wear out... these are wearing quite well though.

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    I was looking at getting a pair of black floyds, however, Surly states they are designed for 65mm rims, I have 90mm rims on my fatboy. Has anyone tried them on 90mm rims or have an alternative mostly road tire for 90mm rims?
    Any input is really appreciated.
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    Re: Black Floyd?

    Quote Originally Posted by 43st View Post
    I only have a 100 miles or so on the new BF's. So far they've been perfect, and I really dig the tan sidewalls.

    Thanks for posting this, hat is the first time I've seen them on a bike. Looks good.

    All I see are 60 tpi....is there a 120tpi model?

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    60 TPI is the only version they make now, as far as I know.

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    Duh, I already posted that
    I mean, double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Guzzi Obrian View Post
    I was looking at getting a pair of black floyds, however, Surly states they are designed for 65mm rims, I have 90mm rims on my fatboy. Has anyone tried them on 90mm rims or have an alternative mostly road tire for 90mm rims?
    Any input is really appreciated.
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    This is heresay, but I rode a few hours with a guy on a Moonlander (with Clownshoes) on RAGBRAI that said the floyds were rolling just fine on them, albeit a little flat, but nothing he would think was unsafe.

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    A mate, who is a mech in a local bike shop... just snared us 4 x 120tpi Floyds for the up coming Simpson Desert Race.

    Depending on the weather in the next 7 weeks, there could be semi hard-pack between the sand dunes and these 1080g Floyds will fly !!!

    They will be fitted tubeless to Nextie 90mm carbon rims.
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    Floyds are awful fun. Nice to be able to sail past kitted out roadies on my pug every now and again. I've been commuting on them for a couple years through pretty nasty downtown conditions (construction debris, glass etc..). I'd like to try the 60 tpi version as I do catch a lot of flats: figure they would be a bit more resistant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    A mate, who is a mech in a local bike shop... just snared us 4 x 120tpi Floyds for the up coming Simpson Desert Race.

    Depending on the weather in the next 7 weeks, there could be semi hard-pack between the sand dunes and these 1080g Floyds will fly !!!

    They will be fitted tubeless to Nextie 90mm carbon rims.
    Wait I thought they dont make them in 120tpi any more. They were probably 60 tpi if this was recent purchase

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdventureRider View Post
    Wait I thought they dont make them in 120tpi any more. They were probably 60 tpi if this was recent purchase
    They may have horded a few of the older versions away for racing and/or special occasions.

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    Yes... these came from deep in the dungeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43st View Post
    They may have horded a few of the older versions away for racing and/or special occasions.
    Apologies, you's were correct. They arrived and they are 60tpi.... nice weight though at 960g each.
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    Old Pugs with some new Gum wall Black Floyds. These are amazing on the dirt roads.
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    I'd like to hear your opinion on how those gumwalls perform once you have a few hundred miles on them.
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    I plan to keep them on until the first snowfall. I will report back with an update. I am running them tubeless with Stans.

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