Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 101 to 200 of 278
  1. #101

  2. #102
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    Some footage of using the Snowdog to groom my local trails still tweaking a smaller footprint stand on groomer, so for now still using the sled. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=TeivfmlP2H0

  3. #103
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,478
    I'm jealous of your snow! Since I bought one, we've had a bit of a thaw and most of the snow is gone! I also wonder why I have an all-black Snowdog 10hp compact when most others have the snow-camo look.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountsports.net

  4. #104
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    the weekend I got it. we had just got socked with 12 inches of new on top of probably 8 inches. the increased drag from the sled, made it tough going, I tossed on some short skis and did a first pass, then the sled with the second.

    still working on a smaller footprint stand on top of groomer, took a bunch of old skis cut them in half and attached them to a board with a rubber car mat on top for boot traction. first attached it with cable to snowdog.. bad idea, no control... now solid piece of wood, but I need to create and attach perhaps two runners on bottom to give leverage something to push against when manuvering... my trails are very tight and twisty... but with some practice it is working well. keeping the left side (clutch belt) side on the up hill side of the trail helps.

  5. #105
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    Some footage of using the Snowdog to groom my local trails still tweaking a smaller footprint stand on groomer, so for now still using the sled. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=TeivfmlP2H0
    Good stuff, Thom! I'm loving the Snowdog, it is fun to operate besides being really versatile and getting thru tight spots the snowmobile would not fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    I'm jealous of your snow! Since I bought one, we've had a bit of a thaw and most of the snow is gone! I also wonder why I have an all-black Snowdog 10hp compact when most others have the snow-camo look.
    We have 3 distinct layers of hard crust that is pretty challenging to groom. The ground pressure is light enough with these machines that you don't break through much. Time it right and it works great though.

    Consider yourself special, i ordered a black one and Vlad said he just sold the last one. So mine is white camo like Thom's.

    I'm also working on a small stand-up groomer which will have 3 or 4 skegs on bottom. I bought 2 pieces of comb from Yellowstone Track Systems for a trailing edge.

  6. #106
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Good stuff, Thom! I'm loving the Snowdog, it is fun to operate besides being really versatile and getting thru tight spots the snowmobile would not fit.


    We have 3 distinct layers of hard crust that is pretty challenging to groom. The ground pressure is light enough with these machines that you don't break through much. Time it right and it works great though.

    Consider yourself special, i ordered a black one and Vlad said he just sold the last one. So mine is white camo like Thom's.

    I'm also working on a small stand-up groomer which will have 3 or 4 skegs on bottom. I bought 2 pieces of comb from Yellowstone Track Systems for a trailing edge.
    nice, toss pics up when done,, i am hoping that one of my welding friends get some time to make a proper one.. but we got snow now, so I need to groom... I was able to get around to about 6 miles of trail last night within a 2 hour window... keeping up with the continued snowfall is key from what I hear... but at least with my trails, it ain't just point and shoot, a lot of body language happening behind the handlebars to get it to where you want it to go, once you have the track set, quicker and easier the next times around.

  7. #107
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-nodabgroomednn.jpg

  8. #108
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    208
    Q/ What do you call July and August in Canada?
    A/ Two months of dusty biking.

    Courtesy of a new SnoDog and the determined efforts of Belterskelter (another dude on this forum) our little ski town of Rossland, BC now has some WWS (Wicked Winter Singletrack). The Dawg has only been here for two weeks but it's already carved out a rolling 7-kilometre loop on our local golf course plus a few of the easier summer bike/hike trails are seeing some corduroy love, with more flow in the works. Where else can a person enjoy a 3-hour fat bike ride, on white singletrack, beginning and ending at the LBS and adjacent brew pub?

  9. #109
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    conditions were perfect today.. a few passes over the last few days with the snowdog... and some riders out yesterday, made today so nice.. sorry for the length and no music, but it was a blast.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5F...ature=youtu.be

  10. #110
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Are any of you SnowDog owners having clutch issues? Mine won't disengage and the sled moves when you try to start it. Consequently it won't idle because it bogs down & stalls. I pulled the cover off tonight but can't figure out what is going on. Does this look right?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_7937-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_7938-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_7939-medium-.jpg  


  11. #111
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,478
    I haven't used mine in a month, as we've lost all our snow. The belt should be pretty loose when not running.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountsports.net

  12. #112
    CP
    Reputation: C.P.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    198
    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Are any of you SnowDog owners having clutch issues? Mine won't disengage and the sled moves when you try to start it. Consequently it won't idle because it bogs down & stalls. I pulled the cover off tonight but can't figure out what is going on. Does this look right?
    Radair, that looks like a Comet Series 40 driver/clutch, I am willing to bet it's a lube issue inside the drive unit, either with the moveable sheave and/or the roller weights (the thing shown in your second photo, and one on right in your last photo is the drive unit). There are a few videos on net showing how to service these, here's one that should give a good idea of the inner workings.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3FCcLlR-sg

  13. #113
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by C.P. View Post
    Radair, that looks like a Comet Series 40 driver/clutch, I am willing to bet it's a lube issue inside the drive unit, either with the moveable sheave and/or the roller weights (the thing shown in your second photo, and one on right in your last photo is the drive unit). There are a few videos on net showing how to service these, here's one that should give a good idea of the inner workings.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3FCcLlR-sg
    Awesome, thank you! Snowdog sent a pdf manual on checking and upgrading drive pulley so I'm going to get into it soon.

  14. #114
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    The link C.P. sent was a big help to resolve a simple problem. One of the roller weights in the primary drive was skewed so it was as simple as putting it back into its track. Dry-lubed it all while I had it open as it was bone dry.

    I started working on a stand-up grooming sled. I scored a 2' square of Grip-Strut from a friend in the tower business. I welded a yoke to a piece of beefy angle and welded that to the platform. I screwed & bolted a couple 2x6 sleepers to the bottom and cut up a pair of twin-tip skis. I screwed a pair of Yellowstone Track Systems combs to the trailing edge, and am going to attach three L1.5 x 1/8 angles as skegs between the skis. I like these, as they will help protect the P-Tex and combs on the one road crossing I need to do.

    I still need to drill out and extend a piece of 2" square tube steel for the connecting arm.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-grate-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-grate-close-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-bottom-medium-.jpg  


  15. #115
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Finished off the grooming sled tonight. Stoked to try it out tomorrow but will ride first thing in the morning while it's all frozen. Today's ride made all the Snowdog effort worthwhile.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-top-final-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-bottom-final-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-hitch-final-medium-.jpg  


  16. #116
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    OK, I'll let this one die after this. Works great but 55 degrees F is way too warm!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-snowdog-grooming-sled-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-corduroy-medium-.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-grooming-sled-2-22-17-medium-.jpg  


  17. #117
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,478
    That looks great!
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountsports.net

  18. #118
    CP
    Reputation: C.P.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    198
    Nicely done! I imagine the three L1.5 x 1/8 angles/skegs make it easier and more stable to handle turning etc standing up? I am intrigued by these tracksleds for SEMASS, and since we get less snow (esp the last few years) I keep wondering if they can be used in other seasons to pull materials to project sites or if there would be too much risk to damaging the track.

  19. #119
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,478
    Their videos show them used on dry-ish land, and people are buying them around here for hunting. I bought one with summer use in mind as well. It could be an extra hand when moving downed trees, or using the sled to move dirt.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountsports.net

  20. #120
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Chris, the skegs are so you can track on off-camber terrain and turn in firm conditions. When I first received the unit we had a hard crust layer that the sled runners did not penetrate. Try to turn and you just pushed the sled off to the side. So the skegs would not really be needed in soft conditions but are needed on harder snow. Plus they provide some protection to the P-Tex and combs. They could probably be shallower but that's what I had on hand.

    Tough call on summer use. I am not anticipating using it on dirt and your area is so rocky that I suspect you'd be tearing up the track pretty quickly. It would be great if it worked well on dirt; it would be easy to build a wheeled sled for hauling materials.

    We still have not bought a Muck Truck - can't seem to find one and I even called them and left a message.

  21. #121
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    Hello,
    As I have mentioned before, we are working on a trail groomer, that can be mass produced at reasonable price. Here at this link we are already offering a ski groomer, you can take a look at the design here:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kve4kyb4b0...00199.PDF?dl=0

    We have worked on a little and plan to manufacture a fat bike groomer.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tv61yopedf...oomer.PDF?dl=0

    It will 100% metal, powder coated. Please let me know your thoughts about it.

    Vlad

  22. #122
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    or here is another device, that one of our dealers has created.
    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20161202_134734.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20161202_134758.jpgName:  20170101_140247.jpg
Views: 2801
Size:  22.1 KB

  23. #123
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    10
    I built a similar machine three years ago and have been using it in Madison Wisconsin ever since with some tweaks. Here's a video from the first test run.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFYmehzE3o

    I've found that trying to shave peaks and carry snow like a snowmobile trail groomer is unnecessary for bike trails. A basic sled flattens the trail just fine and uses less power. If the trail is truly ice, you can't fix it anyway with a machine this size (you need a power tiller and a lot more weight and horsepower like a groomer at a ski resort).

    The final drag (V3) is basically a steel and composite sled that creates a ridged surface and glides over concrete on wheels with a special hitch for weight distribution. Unfortunately, I don't have many photos or videos of the machine due to limited use with the warm winter the past two winters.

    Here's a photo of the groomer on the first demo drive around the yard and the V3 drag.

    It's been a fun project.Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-1-img_20150228_151712104_hdr.jpgName:  1-IMG_20170108_143031047.jpg
Views: 2596
Size:  60.3 KB

  24. #124
    Live to Ride-Ride to Live
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    149

    Home-built Tracksled Experiences

    After a few months of constructing, using, revising, and perfecting a home version of a Tracksled for Fat Bike grooming I think this is about as good of tool as I can make.
    The first version had the engine mounted on top the frame and more forward. This worked well on flat, open terrain, but was nowhere near stable enough to use for grooming the singletrack we were trying to use. I quit counting after tipping the sled on its side 10 times on a 7 mile loop.
    Version 1.0
    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_0158.jpg
    A few hours of cutting/welding later I had moved the engine to the center of gravity and as low as possible without interfering with the track. This made a huge difference. The sled was now very stable and turned much easier than the first version. The 7 mile summer singletrack test loop was fully groomed in just over an hour. This thing was looking promising but while steering was easier than the first version still was quite an upper body workout.
    The final modification made the steering far less dependent on upper body strength. I moved the groomer attachment to the Tracksled from the "bumper pull" location to a "gooseneck" connection. The thought was with the rear connection when standing on groomer you have to essentially lift/move half of you body weight each time you turned the sled. This contraption is actually a skid steer of sorts and lifting anything more than weight of the machine was a waste of energy. By moving the groomer connection close to the sleds center of gravity it made a huge improvement in the effort steering the sled took.

    Version 2.0
    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_0200.jpg
    The next one I build will be far more "clean" as the various adjustments, and modifications left this one not quite as clean as I wanted. One side note is the seat on the groomer plays an important part in steering the sled as well. It allows a better leverage point when skid steering the sled went seated or standing by pressing the seat against the inner thigh.

    Version 3.0
    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-spruce-goose.jpg

  25. #125
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    About 6 weeks ago we purchased a SnowDog B13ME. Unfortunately it was right after a big dumping of snow (4 to 5 feet in 10 days). We are also on pretty hilly, tight terrain. This is pretty tough conditions to operate these things in, especially while learning how to handle them. As the snow settled.. and went through some freeze thaw cycles, and as I got more practice.. things got better. but I still found the machine to be tough to handle at times. I would be going along great with it.. then suddenly it would tip, and head off into the woods. I had a hard time keeping it upright at times. I started wondering about the handlebar placement. Looking at other machines, it seemed as if where they fastened on the machine varied. Looking again at the SnowDog, the handlebar folds nicely nestled onto the top of the machine, it's pretty slick that way. I wondered how much of it's design was toward that goal. I decided to try some experimentation. I made up some moveable temporary mounts. I tried mounting them on the top rail [higher up than the stock location] and toward the front of the cargo area. That made a huge difference. It quickened up the handling… and was somewhat easier to keep upright [although still not "perfect"]. With the HB assembly sticking out less distance from the machine, means it doesn't need as much space in a turn also. I did find with it set up this way, it was tougher to turn on bare ground, but on snow, I found it better. Next up was handlebar width. For a temporary test. I whittled down a dowel, to splice on some sections of an old mountain bike handlebar. I originally went from roughly 22" width to about 35". With the altered mount and wider bars.. the difference was amazing! It was so easy to handle.. and didn't even come close to tipping. The 35" was too wide, it wasn't comfortable, and of course it would limit where one could go. I was going to have more durable handlebar extenders made up.. but I wasn't sure what width I wanted.
    I have decided to have permanent mounts made along the full length of the storage compartment's top rail. This will give me a great deal of adjustability. As well as a spot to bolt in another cross rail, to sit under the assembly [to push down against]. Instead of making width extenders. I am having a mountain bike fork's steer tube welded to the top of the HB assembly. That way I can place a stem and handlebar on it. So it will be very easy to alter the fit. Also with this set up, if I get to a spot that is too tight and can't fit through. I can easily loosen the stem and turn the handlebars upright to fit through. It's at a friends now being welded, I will post photos when I get it back.

    I need to update this. I did continue having some handling problems with my machine. I did not know if it was me, the snow.. or what. I had purchased the first one in our state, so I had no one to go to. So I did write Snowdog.. for some feedback, and or suggestions. The track was too loose on my machine. Making the adjustments, made a world of difference in it's operation.
    Last edited by Fenlason; 12-21-2017 at 05:49 AM.

  26. #126
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    nice alterations, looking forward to pics.

  27. #127
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    I got my machine back from my friends shop yesterday, but unfortunately I can't post photos yet. My computer is "melting down". It does't seem as if I can post my wife's Facebook photos here. So maybe I can get my wife to join the forum.. and we can post them that way.

    I put the machine back together. Mounting the handlebar assembly roughly where my experimental set up was. It's about 13" ahead of the furthest forward stock position, as well as higher up on the machine. I put on the first stem and bar set up I came across. The stem position felt perfect. The bars a little narrow. [26" range]. Next up.. a 30" bar. Unfortunately the clamp diameter was different. So the longest stem I have for that is a little too short. I know I don't have any wider bars for the "good" stem. I will have to look around for other stems.. but I might have to order something.

    I took it out for some more "testing". I could pretty much put the sled where I wanted.. and keeping where I wanted. I got brave and tried another tightish single track trail. Not far in, I hit a lot of steep humps.. and currently with our melting.. water in the valleys.. it is also quite twisty through these humps. Some of the humps.. are the ground terrain, but the snow seemed to magnify them. It I had known the terrain was as bad as it was, I might not have tried it, but once there I was rather committed. Amazingly it went through without any significant difficulties. It took a little physical effort, but it really wasn't bad.

  28. #128
    slow:biker
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    189
    A group of us are looking into buying a Snow Dog and have begun discussion with our local dealer. From the above thread we went with the intention of buying the 7HP compact model as our trails are narrow and twisty. We recently received an email back from the dealer that stated this:

    "Apparently the research on the B7ZE Compact and the B10ZE Compact have not been that favorable, they have been found to be underpowered and we want our customers to be pleased with the product, so we decided only to bring the B10ZE and the B13MER".

    I'm not sure the dealer understands our needs (using it as a groomer) versus what I suspect he sees it being used for (ice fishing, hunting, etc). Just thought I'd seek other users opinions about his comments.

  29. #129
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    I bought the B10ZE Compact and really like it. It works surprisingly well in tight trails and I would not want the longer track and frame of the bigger models. Nor would I want to have to fight the extra weight of the larger machines when they inevitably get off track - and they do on a regular basis IME.

    Any of these machines can be tricky to use in deep snow but they do an amazing job packing tight trails
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-shumway-2-22-17-medium-.jpg  


  30. #130
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    One of the determining factors I think, would be the amount of snow you get.. and what depths you might be working in / with. SnowDog, in my talking with them, did recommended the compact for trail gooming... EXCEPTING where you can have the deeper snow. I own the B13ME. My only use of one of the compacts, was a quick demo on a snow-covered plowed "parking lot". The snow otherwise was too deep and soft for the compact, to use else ware. [We had just gotten buried with big dump of snow.] I have found that even the bigger machine will go into some pretty tight places. The mods I did to mine improve on that. It results in the machine being shorter in overall length. [from the very front of the machine to where the handlebars are.] My dealer had that compact demo..but they said they would no longer stock the compact either.
    Last edited by Fenlason; 04-23-2017 at 05:26 AM.

  31. #131
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11

    Snowdog tracksled - new grooming accessory.

    Hello folks,
    We have came up with a new trail grooming accessory for the tracksled. Its 20` wide, and may be extended to 27` with 2 side panels. Retail price will be around $390. Please let me me know what you think about it.

    Vlad
    Snowdog team

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-_dsc9765-26.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-_dsc9818-49.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-_dsc9820-50.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-_dsc9832-54.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-_dsc9896-79.jpg
    Last edited by Sndg; 08-11-2017 at 06:18 AM.

  32. #132
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133

    Groomer

    That groomer looks different than the one on your site. I was going to build my own, but I am interested in yours. I am also very interested in your new suspension option for deeper snow.

  33. #133
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,478
    I'll buy one. How soon will it be available?
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountsports.net

  34. #134
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    I'll buy one. How soon will it be available?
    Dealers will have it in stock by November.

  35. #135
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    3
    That looks fantastic! We will likely be ordering one this fall.

    Dan
    Laramie, WY

  36. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    16
    Vlad, are you sure the groomer widths you gave are correct? It looks like the panels are all the same width, and the base groomer has 3 panels, add the extensions for the 5 that we see. If 3 panels are 20", and 5 are 27", there's no X panel width such that 3x = 20 and 5x = 27. Either the base groomer is 16", or the extended groomer is 33"... or my math or understanding of the setup is wrong, which I'll grant is very possible.

  37. #137
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by spaten75 View Post
    Vlad, are you sure the groomer widths you gave are correct? It looks like the panels are all the same width, and the base groomer has 3 panels, add the extensions for the 5 that we see. If 3 panels are 20", and 5 are 27", there's no X panel width such that 3x = 20 and 5x = 27. Either the base groomer is 16", or the extended groomer is 33"... or my math or understanding of the setup is wrong, which I'll grant is very possible.
    Actually, I was wrong in my previous post, the right dimensions: center panel with a standing grip is 20,47 inches (52 cm) Each side panel is 6.69 inches (17 cm) wide. Total 33,85 inches wide.
    So you can either groom a 20 (20.47)` wide trail, same size as Snowdog track, or make a little wider with adding the side panels.

  38. #138
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    16
    Quote Originally Posted by Sndg View Post
    Actually, I was wrong in my previous post, the right dimensions: center panel with a standing grip is 20,47 inches (52 cm) Each side panel is 6.69 inches (17 cm) wide. Total 33,85 inches wide.
    So you can either groom a 20 (20.47)` wide trail, same size as Snowdog track, or make a little wider with adding the side panels.
    Thanks for the clarification!

    Some models just arrived at the new local dealer and my friend is going to check them out.
    Last edited by spaten75; 08-29-2017 at 12:02 PM.

  39. #139
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dudeist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    305
    Hi Vlad , Thanks for getting that groomer ready on time. The Farmer's Almanac and NOAA are predicting a colder than average winter here in New England, which could mean more and earlier snow.

    I'm wondering if there is room on the back of your groomer for the blue plastic combs like radair's in post #115. I think they might be important as the final step in surface compaction. I guess one could cut into the skegs a little if necessary, or notch the plastic. Have you tested this groomer on snow?

  40. #140
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    Hello,
    I can change the design to fit the blue plastic comb, but I think that it would be better if I order a metal comb, along the back side of the groomer. Right now the metal comb is only in the middle, but it will covering all the backside on the groomers I will be shipping to USA.

    We have not tested it yet, waiting for the first snow.

  41. #141
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dudeist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    305
    Yellowstone Track Systems, Inc. This is the comb I'm talking about. It's on the back of many snow groomers. It seems to me that it will compact the snow much better. The metal teeth will rough up the otherwise too smooth surface, but won't provide the extra fine compaction and lasting corduroy surface.
    Thank You again for helping to grow our sport. Mountain biking is always a blast, but floating through the snowy woods on smooth white trails is sublime, and second only to go-anywhere crust nirvana, which is available only at the whims of Mother nature.

  42. #142
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11
    I dont see a problem connecting a comb like you have mentioned. If factory made - I believe I can do it only next year. We will purchase some combs, try them out this winter, and see how it works out.

    Other than that, I can only suggest that if anyone buys it, to upgrade it personally. There is plenty if room at the back.
    The groomer is either 20,47 inches (52 cm) or 33,85 inches wide with 2 side panels added.

  43. #143
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Vlad, do you have an update on the ETA for the singletrack groomer? I purchsed a 10hp compact this year and was told the groomer is on backorder.

  44. #144
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8

    Snowdog experiance

    We have been using a Compact unit for grooming here in Northern Michigan for two seasons, and in looking at some of the posts on this site, it seems that some of the issues being encountered are things that we struggled with in the beginning. The biggest initial problem was in controlling the power unit, especially on off-camber sections. Many times this would turn into a real wrestling match requiting a lot of upper body strength to keep the machine from leaning to the downhill or running off the trail all together. What was needed was a way for the operator to use their body weight to counter the roll effect rather than relying on strength alone. The design of the grooming attachments that I built for the Snowdog do away with the factory hitch and replace it with a much more robust connection that attaches at the machines center of gravity, and limits the movement of the machine / groomer connection to the x and y axes. Now the operator can move their weight to counter any tipping of the power unit. This connection takes all of the struggle out of grooming and makes the experience much more enjoyable. Additionally, the roller does a much better job of compaction than plate-type groomers, providing a noticeably firmer surface. For this season, I have replaced the stock 32 tooth driven sprocket with a 40 tooth, giving a 25% reduction in speed and a corresponding boost in low end torque. The hope is that the lower speed will allow the operator to step off more easily if needed for steep sections or if the machine is bogging in heavy snow.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20161202_134734-copy.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20170101_135117-copy.jpg  


  45. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8

    Our second Snowdog

    To follow up on my previous post, after the success of our first unit our local IMBA chapter -Top of Michigan Mountain Biking Association (TOMMBA)- has purchased a second Snowdog unit to groom another of our local trail systems. Since the topography of this trail is more severe than what we had been doing, I chose to go with the Standard model rather than another Compact. The larger motor and more robust clutch of the standard seem a better match for the hills it will need negotiate. We are also experimenting with a different type of grooming attachment, the compactor bar. This unit is designed to overcome the tendency of the roller to push snow ahead of it during deep conditions. It still has a small contact area to maximize compaction, and of course it retains the two axis connection to the power unit. This is basically a smaller version of the 6' drag we have used behind a Cushman Trackster for the last 6 years. No snow for field trials yet, but hopefully I'll be posting the results soon!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20171118_132702-copy.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20171112_083354.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20141129_115719-copy.jpg  


  46. #146
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Knucklehead6, having not groomed with my snowdog yet, rollover has been one of my concerns due to the off camber and technical terrain I plan to use it on. I have thought about adding some sort of support bar that can be stepped on if the unit starts to roll but your design makes sense as it would be nice to have your weight prevent roll without additional effort. Do you have any close up pictures of the hitch?
    Last edited by woodsbiker; 11-27-2017 at 09:48 AM.

  47. #147
    beater
    Reputation: evasive's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    5,332
    ^seconded.

  48. #148
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8

    Two Axis Hitch

    Here are some shots of the two axis hitch that i designed for the Snowdog.
    It attaches to the mid-point of the frame using the existing bolts. It pivots in the X axis at this point. At the rear of the "U" shaped bar is an attachment point that moves only in the "Y" axis and is connected with a 3/4" pin. I have tossed around the idea of producing these if there was enough demand..
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20171022_160202-copy.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20171022_104801-copy.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-20171022_104752-copy.jpg  


  49. #149
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    That is pretty beefy! I am curious to hear how the machine and drag respond with the rigid design. With little to no upward flex do you think the unit will be harder to steer? Keep us posted and thanks for sharing your ideas!

  50. #150
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8
    It is rigid only in the roll axis. The machine can still fully flex up and down, but this happens at the mid-point of the machine, so the effect on the groomer is minimal. It is much easier to steer and much smoother to ride than the stock sled. I'll try to post a video soon.

  51. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,736
    So if the snow dog rolls sideways it takes the groomer (and the person standing on it) sideways with it?

  52. #152
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    Has anyone added a few inches to each of the handle bar ends... someone, somewhere shared this idea and felt it gave a bit more leverage and control in making sure the groomer stayed upright.. I had my snowdog out about a half dozen times last year before the snow decided to go away. was able to groom 6 miles of trail in about 2 hours. once you have the initial tread packed down, much easier to keep the beast in the lane. one side slope section, the snowdog would tip and cut out.... just learned to attack that section from the opposite way, and seemed not to have the same issue.

    cool to see all the mods and custom stuff..

    keep it coming...

  53. #153
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    So if the snow dog rolls sideways it takes the groomer (and the person standing on it) sideways with it?
    I have got to imagine it would take quite a bit to tip the rider and machine. The machines only weigh 250ish pounds.

  54. #154
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    118
    Why not just use an old snowmobile if you want something cheap and effective?

  55. #155
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    Why not just use an old snowmobile if you want something cheap and effective?
    Tried that. These go places where a snowmobile doesn’t fit and work much better IME.

  56. #156
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    118
    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Tried that. These go places where a snowmobile doesn’t fit and work much better IME.
    I see, we don't have a lot of dense forest where I live, so a snowmobile is perfect for making fat bike trails.

  57. #157
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    If you have trails that a snowmobile works, then yes that would be the way to go... I have personally tried two snowmobiles on the wider skid road trails.. could not manage my true singletrack., a Rokon which worked to reach the singletrack. but depending on the snow fall characteristics, it was difficult to get a nice consistent tread. the bought a ski doo alpine, twin track, mono ski (still have it for sale if anyone is interested)... again, great for the more open areas,, but I wanted singletrack experience when fatbiking... the Snowdog (and my guess any tracksled) is the answer....

  58. #158
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,736
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsbiker View Post
    I have got to imagine it would take quite a bit to tip the rider and machine. The machines only weigh 250ish pounds.
    I've driven the machine with the pull behind sled/chair attachment. It actually tips over quite easily if you aren't careful. It's top heavy because of the engine location. Thus why I think Snowdog designed it with the rotating hitch as a safety measure.

  59. #159
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I've driven the machine with the pull behind sled/chair attachment. It actually tips over quite easily if you aren't careful. It's top heavy because of the engine location. Thus why I think Snowdog designed it with the rotating hitch as a safety measure.
    I agree on the design of the factory hitch but you are standing to groom and we need a way to counteract the tipping of the machine. Worst case, you step off.

  60. #160
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    5,209
    That is some solid work!

    I would love to own one of these machines, definitely a long term goal for opening up much needed winter terrain in Carson City.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead61 View Post
    Here are some shots of the two axis hitch that i designed for the Snowdog.
    It attaches to the mid-point of the frame using the existing bolts. It pivots in the X axis at this point. At the rear of the "U" shaped bar is an attachment point that moves only in the "Y" axis and is connected with a 3/4" pin. I have tossed around the idea of producing these if there was enough demand..

  61. #161
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8
    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    So if the snow dog rolls sideways it takes the groomer (and the person standing on it) sideways with it?
    In our experience, the operator being able to use their weight to counter any machine lean has virtually eliminated the roll-over problem, however if you were to find yourself in that situation you can simply step off the groomer. Much safer than a snowmobile in this regard.

  62. #162
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead61 View Post
    I have tossed around the idea of producing these if there was enough demand..
    Like the look of that set up. I know a few folks in Manitoba that have snowdogs that would be interested in your groomer if you were ever wanted to sell a few.

  63. #163
    mechanic
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    10

    we want one !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead61 View Post
    Here are some shots of the two axis hitch that i designed for the Snowdog.
    It attaches to the mid-point of the frame using the existing bolts. It pivots in the X axis at this point. At the rear of the "U" shaped bar is an attachment point that moves only in the "Y" axis and is connected with a 3/4" pin. I have tossed around the idea of producing these if there was enough demand..


    I will buy one now!!! We are going to get the snow dog drag but this will help with our bench cut trails and the machine falling off and me with it .

    we have the standard model message me !!!!

  64. #164
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    10
    Knucklehead: I bought a Snowdog compact today and am also fighting with turning it. I'd be very interested in your frame/hitch setup if you are thinking about building it. No need to paint it, I'll buy it raw and do the rest.

  65. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    We were blessed with a pile of snow, then Mother Nature took it away... hoping that more comes for Christmas.... youtube of last year grooming HHE singletrack... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeivfmlP2H0&t=32s

    found in deep snow the sled does a good job for the initial pass, then had a guy fab up a stand on groomer that ought to be great for subsequent passes and upkeep.

  66. #166
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    Has anyone added a few inches to each of the handle bar ends... someone, somewhere shared this idea and felt it gave a bit more leverage and control in making sure the groomer stayed upright.. I had my snowdog out about a half dozen times last year before the snow decided to go away. was able to groom 6 miles of trail in about 2 hours. once you have the initial tread packed down, much easier to keep the beast in the lane. one side slope section, the snowdog would tip and cut out.... just learned to attack that section from the opposite way, and seemed not to have the same issue.

    cool to see all the mods and custom stuff..

    keep it coming...
    I have wider handlebars on ours. I had a mountain bike fork steerer tube welded on the the handlebar assembly. With this I can install a separate stem and handle bar. I can more easily play with different widths this way.

  67. #167
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8
    Unfortunately, my real job is crazy right now. I will not have any time to devote to groomer production until after this season...

  68. #168
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    10
    Care to share what you used for the frame mounted pivot? It's hard to tell from the picture. Looks very clean and well done.

  69. #169
    beater
    Reputation: evasive's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    5,332
    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead61 View Post
    Unfortunately, my real job is crazy right now. I will not have any time to devote to groomer production until after this season...
    My nonprofit is looking into grooming for next season. If things work out for you next year, we’d also be interested.

  70. #170
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    had a welder friend fab this up... of course rain came in so haven't really had the chance to put it through it's paces
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_20171208_194405365.jpg  


  71. #171
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    had a welder friend fab this up... of course rain came in so haven't really had the chance to put it through it's paces https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1Q...UqNgfVKx2_v_8U
    Link is not working for me

  72. #172
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    445
    delete
    Last edited by ak-rider; 01-09-2018 at 09:52 PM.

  73. #173
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    How tight and narrow are the trails that require a Snowdog? With the lateness we had in getting snow this winter I’ve been cutting trails and just recently got to pack them down with my snowmachine (snowmobile). My trails just followed the path of least resistance through the woods and are tight and twisty making them fun for a fatbike. I have no issues riding through them on a 32” wide ski stance sled. Looking at the Snowdog it isn’t that much narrower and it’s longer with the groomer attachment. Reading about them being top heavy and tipping over it just makes more sense to buy an old used snowmachine. From what I’ve read the deep snow capabilities of the Snowdog is lacking. In low snow, early season conditions, one could just drag the groomer with a 4-wheeler. A person could by both a used snowmachine and used 4-wheeler for the same price or less than a new Snowdog and have way better versatility and parts support.
    Tried that, there's no comparison. The Snowdog has a 20" wide track and overall width with sled is about 2'. Its effective length is way shorter than a snowmobile too. Think of pushing down on the handle of a lawnmower and pivoting it to turn - same applies to the 'Dog. I spent 2 winters grooming with a Skidoo Safari and there's no way it will fit in the spots where I take the SD now.

  74. #174
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    445
    delete
    Last edited by ak-rider; 01-09-2018 at 09:53 PM.

  75. #175
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    8

    A little more detail

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-sd-brkt.pdfAttachment 1173431
    Not sure how this will come through...if its hard to read send me your e-mail & I'll copy you.

  76. #176
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    260
    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    Interesting, I didn’t realize it used a 20” wide track. I’m still trying to picture the trails where that much maneuverability would be necessary. They sound so tight that they don’t sound like they’d be that much fun to bike on. My trails are tight for a snowmachine but allow you to ride at normal speed on a bike. My trails don’t seem much different at all than the official single track trails they’ve got in bicentennial park in Anchorage. I’m not certain if anyone grooms the narrow trails up there or if they just get packed down from users?
    My local trails have some really tight, bike handling sections and then some others which use skid logging roads are more opened up.. but to groom a loop, got to be able to handle both. I've tried 3 different sleds. a 74 puma, a 89 ski doo... and a 79 ski doo apline...the two normal sleds.. just couldn't keep up the speed necessary to move through the stuff, and forget making it around the tight sections.

    also tried a Rokon. better, but unless the tread was packed down solid, the rRokon's tires at times made issues. .

    I am very happy that the snowdog showed up.. I can do the sidesloped trails, I can get to most (not all) of the loops that we ride...

    it fits in the back of my truck, no reg. no insurance no trailer required..Briggs and Stratton engine

    if I lived next to the trails, and my trails were more open where a snowmobile could make it around the whole loop, certainly that would work very well... but for me and the trails I am focusing on... it's the Snowdog..
    ..
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_20171217_100529264.jpg  

    Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_20171217_105344849.jpg  


  77. #177
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    445
    delete
    Last edited by ak-rider; 01-09-2018 at 09:53 PM.

  78. #178
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Definitely no getting through the trails where we ride on a snowmobile. Our group certainly prefers tight twisty trails. I got my first groom in with the snow dog and even with that I have to take my time getting through some of the tight sections so that I don't run into or take out any of the trees. The first groom was certainly a learning experience. Hoping that each pass gets easier. We also had a member of the group fab up a plate which he did an incredible job on. Snowdog plate is back ordered until January or later. Not sure that we need it anymore though.Best Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_20171216_193545.jpgBest Tracksled Grooming Experience?-img_20171217_123652.jpg

  79. #179
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    For those that feel their sled is tippy.. check the track tightness, It makes a BIG difference!
    Tight East Coast single track here. There is no using a snowmobile on our trails. [our own personal trails.. there are places where people are grooming with snowmobiles] Even some of our dual track is tough on a snowmobile. I am amazed what this machine will do, and where it will go. With that said.. I do have trails that even this machine won't do, but we have no problem saving those trails for summer use. I am bummed that the Snowdog groomer is back ordered. I have been waiting since summer for one.
    Last edited by Fenlason; 12-22-2017 at 11:02 AM.

  80. #180
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    122
    Slightly off topic, but still might be of interest to groomers.

    The company in MN that is the importer of the SnowDog is now also importing Irbis 3/4 (more like 5/8) sized snowmobiles. Not good for the tight and twisting stuff like a SnowDog, but if you could use and sled and don't want to drop $8K to $10K for one, its an option at $2,500.

    https://www.irbisusa.com/irbis-t150/

  81. #181
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    6

    2 axis hitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead61 View Post
    Unfortunately, my real job is crazy right now. I will not have any time to devote to groomer production until after this season...
    Ok, so I'll be next in line to purchase one of your 2 axis hitch setup.
    Or would you be willing to share plans / high rez pics?

    Special request: a back hitch to be able to tow my pelican sled.

    I love the dog. It's compact, lighter than my old bearcat and it starts easily.

    But the off camber turns thing totally slipped my mind. I've bought the unit for weekend forestry work and got lots of uneven terrain and off camber spots. On an ordinary snowmobile it's easy to put all your weight on one side and ride safely in bad situations. Now I have to put so much strength on the handlebar it even twist (and my poor back doesnt like me).

    Other than that it's perfect.

    Standard B10ZE camo.

    Quebec Canada :-)

  82. #182
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsbiker View Post
    ... We also had a member of the group fab up a plate which he did an incredible job on...
    Nice work! Add a pair of these combs to it and you'll have perfect corduroy. Our experience is a smooth track quickly ices over from freeze-thaw and you want a bit of texture.

  83. #183
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    445
    delete
    Last edited by ak-rider; 01-09-2018 at 09:54 PM.

  84. #184
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    3
    Laramie BikeNet would be interested in buying one of these. Do you have an idea on how much one might cost? We can wait until next season if necessary.

  85. #185
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    122
    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    I like the idea of those Irbis sleds, especially the size and price but I think they’d be quite limited in the trail breaking department.
    I'm not suggesting breaking alpine trail or lake effect locations would be this sled forte. But I could see how this would be a great sled if you had smaller snowfall averages (<8") and/or wanted something that wouldn't be such a bear to drive around.

  86. #186
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    10
    Knucklehead6: First of all thanks for sharing your fabrication work! Looking at the detail photo it seems that the bar stock rotates on the 7/8'' rod and is held on by the washer and bolt? That seems really simple. I'm assuming the pivot is greased?

    I'll have to dust off my metal fab skills and my welder. My back will thank you as well since the off camber here in Maine is tough to groom. And then we got 12'' of powder...

  87. #187
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    10
    I'm happy with my 13hp Compact unit. It's pulled 5 kids with 3 sleds attached, gone through 12'' of powder and generally been a blast to use. It also lays down a track that is just wide enough but not too wide for most Maine single track trails. I'm impressed with the stock sled's packing/grooming ability right from the start and am excited to see how much better I can make it with some modifications. This was a much better investment then a snowmobile for my use.

  88. #188
    slow:biker
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    189
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenlason View Post
    For those that feel their sled is tippy.. check the track tightness, It makes a BIG difference!
    Just to clarify - do we want the the track tighter or looser?

  89. #189
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    300

  90. #190
    mtbr member
    Reputation: c0nsumer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    460
    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
    I've driven this one on that piece of trail (ST from the Train Tracks to the top of Blue Heron) and it really, really impressed me. I'm wanting one for River Bends; if we didn't already have a snowmobile+Wildcat, CRAMBA would have bought a tracksled by now.

  91. #191
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by eastman115 View Post
    Just to clarify - do we want the the track tighter or looser?
    If the track is too loose.. this machine is quite tippy.

  92. #192
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    300
    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    I've driven this one on that piece of trail (ST from the Train Tracks to the top of Blue Heron) and it really, really impressed me. I'm wanting one for River Bends; if we didn't already have a snowmobile+Wildcat, CRAMBA would have bought a tracksled by now.
    Yeah those tracksleds look pretty cool, but I think one of those Rokon Trail Breakers would be ideal for Highland.

  93. #193
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    40
    Spent some more time on the snowdog today trying to groom a section of tight off camber. I don't think I will be trying that again. This thing definitely wants to roll down the hill. I have been having a lot of primary clutch problems as well. The rollers in the clutch keep popping out of their tracks and creating a nightmare as the sled is basically stuck in gear. Also managed to flip one of the bogey wheel assembly's upside down and partially jammed the track. Probably did it going over a log. Not a good day for the groomer. Going to need to focus on less off camber trails.

  94. #194
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    6
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsbiker View Post
    Also managed to flip one of the bogey wheel assembly's upside down and partially jammed the track. Probably did it going over a log. Not a good day for the groomer. Going to need to focus on less off camber trails.
    The dealer installed big ti-raps on my unit before delivery. Asking me if it would be used on snow only or summer also. Nothing crazy tight, but just there between bogey wheel assembly to prevent them to flip.

    Fun fact about track tension is that my dog was always trying to roll off on the left side. So I checked the tension to realize the left tensioner was loose. Fixing this helped a bit.

    Long reach and narrow handlebar makes me think about the evolution of mountain biking. Gonna try to remove the stock steering to put something short and wide. Pretty sure it will allow me to correct the tipping tendency. But I'd rather go with Knucklehead's solution ;-) Working with body weight, instead of upper body fighting with poor leverage.
    Last edited by ant01ne; 01-01-2018 at 01:20 PM.

  95. #195
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by ant01ne View Post
    The dealer installed big ti-raps on my unit before delivery. Asking me if it would be used on snow only or summer also. Nothing crazy tight, but just there between bogey wheel assembly to prevent them to flip.

    Fun fact about track tension is that my dog was always trying to roll off on the left side. So I checked the tension to realize the left tensioner was loose. Fixing this helped a bit.

    Long reach and narrow handlebar makes me think about the evolution of mountain biking. Gonna try to remove the stock steering to put something short and wide. Pretty sure it will allow me to correct the tipping tendency. But I'd rather go with Knucklehead's solution ;-) Working with body weight, instead of upper body fighting with poor leverage.
    Hello.. I altered my Handlebar assembly. I changed the mount toward the front of the machine. 13" or so inches. It puts it closer to the center of gravity.. so the machine doesn't have as much leverage against you. It also changes where the machine pivots.. quickening up the handling. It also shortens up there overall length of the machine. I also welded on a mountain bike steer tube to the handlebar assembly, so now I can fasten a mountain bike stem and handle bar.. allowing me a pretty infinite range of adjustments. The relocated mount locations and my now wider handlebars make a huge difference in it's handling. With that said I still want to try the dual axis hitch mount.

  96. #196
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    6
    Ok, pretty interesting Fenlason. Could you share some pictures? Seems like were all on the same boat. Thanks!

  97. #197
    beer thief
    Reputation: radair's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    4,841
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsbiker View Post
    Spent some more time on the snowdog today trying to groom a section of tight off camber. I don't think I will be trying that again. This thing definitely wants to roll down the hill. I have been having a lot of primary clutch problems as well. The rollers in the clutch keep popping out of their tracks and creating a nightmare as the sled is basically stuck in gear. Also managed to flip one of the bogey wheel assembly's upside down and partially jammed the track. Probably did it going over a log. Not a good day for the groomer. Going to need to focus on less off camber trails.
    I prepare my sketchiest off camber sections on snowshoes using a grain shovel. It is pretty quick and easy to do a little cut and fill with a shovel. Moving snow is far easier than digging dirt and IME can last all season.

    Put some dry lube on your rollers the next time you pull the clutch off. I had the same problem and it was bone dry in there. There’s a good YouTube link earlier in this thread about servicing these clutches.

  98. #198
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    hmm I was thinking I had posted photos on an earlier post, but it must have been else where. just a second..

  99. #199
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...28&oe=5AC678D7

    The only photo's I have are on FB.. hopefully this will work. I first added new mount locations for the handlebar assembly. Doing over again I would bother with all the various possible mount locations.

  100. #200
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    133
    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...47&oe=5AF69C21

    The lower bar is the original part of the frame where the handlebar assembly rests.. or what you push down against. With the new mount location.. I needed a new spot to push down agains. Fortunately I was able to use the original handlebar assembly mount locations to bolt in another bar. [a piece of pipe with a piece of threaded rod]

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Grooming for fatbikes
    By zaab70 in forum Trail Building and Advocacy
    Replies: 99
    Last Post: 01-26-2017, 09:15 PM
  2. Grooming snow
    By D.F.L. in forum Fat bikes
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 10-18-2016, 12:07 PM
  3. Fat-Bike.com Trail Grooming Series
    By JordyB in forum Fat bikes
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 02-23-2015, 12:06 PM
  4. Corduroy grooming
    By Welnic in forum Fat bikes
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-08-2014, 12:03 PM
  5. Duthie Trail Grooming
    By AlpineE30M52 in forum Washington
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-19-2011, 03:17 PM

Members who have read this thread: 139

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2018 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.