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    Best "Available" 5" Sand Tire

    Looking for advice/opinions . . .

    I have two separate road trips planned within the next 6 weeks that are beach/dune rides. I recently got a bike that will take 5" tires and I want to utilize this capability to maximize float. I've bought a Big Fat Larry for the front, but I'm am undecided on what to run in back.

    A buddy who rode the same area last year on a Bud and Lou said the rolling resistance was ridiculous, so I am ruling out those two tires, in favor of something with lower profile tread features.

    The two tires I am most interested in are the non-studed Dillinger 5, and the Kenda Juggernaut. Unfortunately, neither of these are available yet, and I need to get something on order within the next few days.

    That leaves the Vee offerings - specifically the Snowshoe XL and the Bulldozer.

    Any feedback or opinions on either of these would be much appreciated.

    Any other 5" tires that might work well that I am missing?

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    Whey not another BFL in the back? In the very distant future I see the new 4.8 Schwalbe being a kick @ss sand tire

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    Best "Available" 5" Sand Tire

    I use BFL's front and rear.


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    BFL's f/r for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Whey not another BFL in the back? In the very distant future I see the new 4.8 Schwalbe being a kick @ss sand tire
    Quote Originally Posted by thecanoe View Post
    I use BFL's front and rear.
    Thanks, guys. I was just having an email discussion with ward, and he's of the same opinion. I guess I was thinking that for the dunes (which I have never ridden), I'd be needing more traction for the climbs, but his point is that the traction you give up with the BFL is more than offset by the rolling efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    BFL's f/r for sure.
    Thanks, Mike. That makes it unanimous.

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    Agree, BFL's are great.
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    Bulldozers.
    :thumbsup:It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

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    Another for Big Fat Larry front and rear.
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    Here you go Spovegas. Since my oldie but goody won't fit 5", next best thing is trimmed 4". I'll be joining Spovegas on both of these outings... looking forward to some miles of beach and some "big sand"!

    My trimmed Endo's
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    and trimmed Larry's... can't wait to do this w/ a BFL...
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    and they're "signature"... Ft. is on the left and Rr. is on the right...
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    I don't have a pic of Bud & Lou's sand signature but trust me, it looks like a roto tiller went through... costing the rider "miles" worth of energy.

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    I should mention though, on a short evening "play ride", trials riding around on the foredune close to where we were staying, the guy mentioned above with the Bud & Lou kicked my but as far as gripping the steep side of the foredune while side hilling. But on the all day ride they put him literally miles behind by the end of the day... so there is a trade off.

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    Best "Available" 5" Sand Tire

    Hey ward what is your rear rack setup? Looks very effective.

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    Thanks for the pics, ward.

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    sweet pic, bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundratrader View Post
    Hey ward what is your rear rack setup? Looks very effective.
    It's an Axiom Odysee that I modified with ALU rod.

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    I built it specifically to fit these old Overland Equipment "Mini Bags"
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    Ward, what technique do you use to trim your treads?

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    Yaaaay! Ward is still alive!!! Heís one of those dudes who is too busy riding his fatbike instead of posting on teh intarwebs, most likely.
    Donít frail and blow if youíre going to Braille and Flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Yaaaay! Ward is still alive!!! Heís one of those dudes who is too busy riding his fatbike instead of posting on teh intarwebs, most likely.
    Word.

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    Knard 4.8 will probably be a decent sand tire that would also not kill you if you ride it on pavement, hardpack, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    Knard 4.8 will probably be a decent sand tire that would also not kill you if you ride it on pavement, hardpack, etc.
    Agreed. Heartily. Wish it were available now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    sweet pic, bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickngas View Post
    Ward, what technique do you use to trim your treads?
    So far I've just used whatever razor knife's would give me a good angle. Regular "box knife" worked fine in the Larry's but not so well on the Endo's. On those I made my own "handle" w/ Gorilla Tape (dangerous!). Also, I changed blades several times as they dull quickly and cutting gets sloppy (and more dangerous). There are some cool tread trimming devices that motor sports folks use... I just haven't sprung for one yet. They're basically hot knifes and probably a better, safer way to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkorn View Post
    THANKS! Here's a link for more I've done.
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    Sweet! Where were those beach pic's taken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Yaaaay! Ward is still alive!!! Heís one of those dudes who is too busy riding his fatbike instead of posting on teh intarwebs, most likely.
    Cheers LP! My computer is toast so only accessing at work when I get a chance. Saving for a new fatty so new "box" will have to wait. Come North and ride with us one of these days!! Or maybe we'll come South & meet you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    Sweet! Where were those beach pic's taken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkorn View Post
    Cape Cod
    Here's another Cape Cod pic.
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    Thanks for the good advice, all. I got to try the 2X BFL setup last weekend at the Northwest Fatbike Meet at Ocean Shores. The last time I was there was two years ago and it hadn't rained for weeks, and the sand was super dry and super soft. This year was the exact opposite - it had been POURING right up until the day of the event. I hit the beach with about 3 psi in both tires (which is what I needed 2 years ago) and the drag was incredible. The sand was super firm and I stopped and pumped up to 7R/6F and that was much better. That night I decided to trim the center row of lugs.

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    I didn't have the guts to trim the adjacent rows yet. My next outing is the OR Dunes in 2 weeks and it will be much hillier and I don't want to compromise my climbing/sidehill traction too much without getting there and seeing what I need (have never ridden these types of dunes before).

    But just removing the center tread alone made a big difference, and the bike rolled really well. Ward described the tall row of lugs as having a type of "knife-blade" effect, wherein they initiate the displacement/movement of the sand and compromise the float. Made sense enough to me.

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    As side note, holy he11, is rubber ever tough on knife blades. Since getting back home, I've touched up the trim job, trying different knife blades, razor blades, etc. What works best for me at this point is the style of blade shown in the picture above, but I have to sit there with a sharpener at hand and sharpen the blade literally after about every two cuts. If I was gonna do a lot of this, I'd definitely invest in a hot knife.

    Sure getting excited about the dunes trip and playing with these tires some more.

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    I need to find a cheap hub and wheel combo for beach runs. I guess my stock hubs would be good for that and then get a hope or another high end rear hub for trail riding. Since I am tubeless I don't want to pull nates everytime I am gonna be on the beach only. I want to get a bfl for the front of my muk and use the endo's I have for rears.

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    This is an old thread, but are there any new ~4.7" tires that would work for dryish sand that aren't ~$130?

    Just wondering about some of the tires that are now appearing on E-bikes.

    I know people were using the Endo which is no longer made.

    I also know people are using the BFL, but that is also $130US MSRP.

    Since I need to buy 4, and sand isn't the primary use of our fat bikes I'm just wondering what other options there are.

    Thanks for any suggestions to check out.

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    Chaoyang 4.9, but you have to order them from Italy. Very high volume tires.

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    I saw those, just was hoping to find someone in North America that had them for sale.

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