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    Before fatbikes

    In the UK there is a long history of getting into the mountains on bikes. We have a club for it called the Rough Stuff Fellowship (I'm a member), and no mountain is safe from our attentions.

    I thought modern fatbikers might appreciate this pic from the RSF's archives.


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    VB...

    As bicycle rims have progressed with increased coverage...I pray that that has also progressed in the application of attire.

    Perhaps that photo was 'staged' to promote the "Rough Stuff" image...?

    Thanks for the levity!
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    That's badass. The first bike I was able to ride in more than 2" of snow was my Stumpjumper FSR 29. The 29" wheels allowed me to ride in about four inches of snow. I was lovin' that and then fatties came to be. Now I couldn't be happier.
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    And check out his 10spd drivetrain, 56/44 w/ 12-22T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    .. no mountain is safe from our attentions.
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    So I see!

    In the good ol' days before anyone thought they had to have a specific head angle or chainstay length but just wanted to get into the hills.
    What a perfect waste of time

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    I was made aware of RSF many years ago via a random internet search which led me to WM Robinson aka Wayfarer. Some guy on a regular singlespeed (fixed??) road bike riding all up and down mountains, covered deep in snow, sleeping under a tree WITHOUT pogies, studded tires, framebags up the wazoo......for the fun of it. His philosophy of "as little bike as possible." Something I try to mirror in my own interpretation of cycling.

    http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/wayfarer.htm

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    In the Speedway Cycles (Fatback) shop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    In the Speedway Cycles (Fatback) shop.


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    Hedging their bets on the best tire treads eh? But what are the pink bar-end extensions for or is the drum attachment missing?
    What a perfect waste of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    In the Speedway Cycles (Fatback) shop.
    What's the braking system on this ?
    (I assume it's pre-disk brake)
    "There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over" -FZ

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    I MTB in winter since 1998 but the biggest tires were 2,4 and I had to wait for the perfect conditions : hard pack snow.

    Lot's of fun !!!

    Again these days , when it's really packed , I leave the fat bike home and use the MTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    Hedging their bets on the best tire treads eh? But what are the pink bar-end extensions for or is the drum attachment missing?
    They were for pushing it through too deep to ride snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SADDLE TRAMP View Post
    ...I pray that that has also progressed in the application of attire.

    Perhaps that photo was 'staged' to promote the "Rough Stuff" image...?
    When I was a lad it was not uncommon to see cyclists in shorts in winter, including snow. Maybe it was better than having wet clothing clinging to you.

    When I first started riding long distances through the mountains* I kept coming across old guys on fixed wheel bikes. Typically in shorts, regardless of the weather, a small roll behind the seat of a groundsheet wrapped around a cut down army blanket, and a primus stove fastened under the toptube. Hard men from 2 generations inured to horrendous conditions from 2 wars. So I doubt it was staged.

    I aspired to be like them, but was too soft. However i did try

    (pic from my hill running days, a long time ago, and definitely not staged)

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    Just a quick run that day was it, without the need for clothes or footwear and a wee dram when you got back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    When I was a lad it was not uncommon to see cyclists in shorts in winter, including snow. Maybe it was better than having wet clothing clinging to you.

    When I first started riding long distances through the mountains* I kept coming across old guys on fixed wheel bikes. Typically in shorts, regardless of the weather, a small roll behind the seat of a groundsheet wrapped around a cut down army blanket, and a primus stove fastened under the toptube. Hard men from 2 generations inured to horrendous conditions from 2 wars. So I doubt it was staged.

    I aspired to be like them, but was too soft. However i did try

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    Dang, VB!

    Being convinced that my Scottish blood has become too diluted for that sort of thing.

    Not liking the cold or snow very much, perhaps it expressed itself in other, albeit, non biking ways.

    Enough to say that it was still alive and kicking; just being a little choosy.

    Thanks for the thread; a light hearted change of pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SADDLE TRAMP View Post
    Dang, VB!

    Being convinced that my Scottish blood has become too diluted for that sort of thing.

    Not liking the cold or snow very much, perhaps it expressed itself in other, albeit, non biking ways.

    Enough to say that it was still alive and kicking; just being a little choosy.

    Thanks for the thread; a light hearted change of pace.
    Couldn't do it like that now. I was steaming by the time I hit the top of that hill - going down was colder.

    I was experimenting with bare feet that day. My theory was that it wasn't the cold that was the major problem but wetness clinging to our skin. Based on swimmers greasing themselves up and swimming the channel in 2C water, I tried greasing my lower leg and the top of my foot so the water simply ran off. It does work, but not well enough, and bare feet in snow is dumb - no grip.

    But bear in mind our temperatures are not so extreme - our problem is the wetness rather than cold.

    Our Highland ancestors used to simply wrap their kilts around them and sleep in the snow. Also their footwear was designed to allow water to flow through rather than retain it.

    What I discovered later was that their woollens still had the lanolin in them which sheds the water, so although they got wet they warmed up quickly once out of the water. That was something that had puzzled me because my previous attempts with wool stockings just about froze them to my feet.

    So the above has now been modified to wearing sandals in winter (for quick draining) with waterproof wool socks, and I can tramp through icy creeks with impunity.

    Like in this pic -



    A couple minutes walking in deep snow after that and my feet were warm. (Keen sandals, SealSkinz stockings)

    I've soloed a number of StrathPuffer 24 hour races with those in subzero and deep snow, so it works long term.
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    Velo, I guess shoveling snow in 10f weather whilst wearing shorts and t shirt isn't so odd after all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Velo, I guess shoveling snow in 10f weather whilst wearing shorts and t shirt isn't so odd after all...
    Guarantees you maintain a high work rate. None of this resting on your shovel stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Guarantees you maintain a high work rate. None of this resting on your shovel stuff.
    This is true! Although 0% relative humidity does make the difference in how bone chilling it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Guarantees you maintain a high work rate. None of this resting on your shovel stuff.
    They warn old people about shoveling snow around here, it's a leading cause of heart attacks, no kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    They warn old people about shoveling snow around here, it's a leading cause of heart attacks, no kidding.
    When it's heavy wet snow, there's no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    They warn old people about shoveling snow around here, it's a leading cause of heart attacks, no kidding.
    That's what I tell my wife. She then goes and finds me the really big shovel. Should I be worried?

    Edit: Looking through the RSF archives - shorts were de rigeur.



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