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    4.8 Knard?

    http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/knard_26_x_4.8
    Details? Maybe they'll show it at Interbike?

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    Now where's the Bud 3.8 for the front of my Bucksaw?

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    I wonder what it weighs? I really liked the stock 3.8" Knard that came on my Fatback.

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    Re: 4.8 Knard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    Now where's the Bud 3.8 for the front of my Bucksaw?
    Its here: http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/nate_tire

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    4.8 Knard?

    I bet tons of new tires will be out of Interbike. Well not out buy announced. My LBS Cycle logical buddy/owner will be there. He will give a good report on fatbike stuff. He is gonna be riding the echo this winter after selling his yampa.

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    Yeah a 3.8" bud would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundratrader View Post
    I bet tons of new tires will be out of Interbike. Well not out buy announced.
    Sadly that doesn't mean anything Surly announced a 29+ Dirt Wizard for last Interbike and we still don't have it....that's for a platform that has had only 1 tire too choose from for most of past 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Sadly that doesn't mean anything Surly announced a 29+ Dirt Wizard for last Interbike and we still don't have it....that's for a platform that has had only 1 tire too choose from for most of past 2 years.
    Yeah. Feeling itchy for that tire.
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    This sounds right up my alley, can't wait to see some weights.
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    Re the Dirt Wizzard, perhaps Surly ordered a boat load of Knards, but didn't sell as many as hoped (it's a poor tyre in my opinion) - so they're sitting on a pile of them, maybe the Dirt Wizzard is delayed until they've made a dent in the pile. Actually it's pretty poor to launch a new bike with only 1 tyre option for 2 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Knards, but didn't sell as many as hoped (it's a poor tyre in my opinion)
    do tell.

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    I NEED these......

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    Options are always good, but I don't see myself switching from BFLs to these. If I were switching from B/L to a more reasonable summer tire I'd go Jumbo Jim.

    If these start coming stock on Moonlanders I'd use em up before upgrading though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Nate is more of a Lou jr. The directional pattern and grip of the Bud can be quite spectacular in the right kind of snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farbar View Post
    Nate is more of a Lou jr. The directional pattern and grip of the Bud can be quite spectacular in the right kind of snow.
    Interestingly Salsa's new Blackborrow 5" fatty uses Lous at both ends.
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    Are these yet available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-whiskey View Post
    Are these yet available?
    Qbp said that they will not be available til spring. I would imagine that means almost summer as new products go.

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    Well... spring has sprung. A pair of 4.8" Knards would be pretty nice right around now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunderbuss View Post
    April.

    Promise?

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    Vaporware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    Vaporware.
    I don't think so. They've made a prototype already and it'd probably be a pretty good seller. Time will tell.

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    they've been talking about them for a year. Until we can buy them, they are vaporware. Last I heard, they're not available anywhere, for any price.

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    April is correct

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    Not my promise to promise. But QBP shows 4-1 eta.
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    Double post. See below.
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    Surly doesn't release new products anymore. They just announce them. Once people forget about this one, they'll announce another one that'll never get released.

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    Don't be so cynical. Surly has come a LONG way from the 1x1 days, and I get the impression the explosion of fat bikes (10 years since the Pugs was released) lately has forced them to scramble.

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    Right now I am torn between JJ and Knard 4.8". Now if they just madea 4.8" Hudu, I would be in heaven.

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    we all surely know what an april 1st release date means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Surly doesn't release new products anymore. They just announce them. Once people forget about this one, they'll announce another one that'll never get released.
    +1.

    I like a lot of their products and even humor but Surly's style wears thin sometimes. This is how not to do a product preview.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ntm1973 View Post
    +1.

    I like a lot of their products and even humor but Surly's style wears thin sometimes. This is how not to do a product preview.
    That's the beauty of QBP if you don't dig Surly you buy from 45N or one of their other brands and thinking you got to make a choice you still give the mothership your $$.
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    I always find that funny too "I'm not going to support Surly, I'll buy from Salsa (or 45Nrth or...) etc. vice-versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    That's the beauty of QBP if you don't dig Surly you buy from 45N or one of their other brands and thinking you got to make a choice you still give the mothership your $$.
    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I always find that funny too "I'm not going to support Surly, I'll buy from Salsa (or 45Nrth or...) etc. vice-versa.
    For the record: The point I was trying to make wasn't that I am not supporting Surly in protest. Rather, it is clear that QBP is capable of hiring people (45Nrth) that can communicate with a customer base and bring products to market. How many people bought into 29er+ with the promise/hope of having a better tire available only to be stuck with knards for the past 2 years?

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    That Surly vid really shows how arrogant they are. It's one thing to make fun of the fact you can bring items to market, but it wouldn't kill them to be a little humble.

    The whole "we do what we want, when we want to do it, because we can" thing wears really thin....really ****ing fast.

    The public isn't alone in feeling this way. Ask some of the big dealers how they feel about their products, supply chain, inventory, and you will get some cross looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunderbuss View Post
    Not my promise to promise. But QBP shows 4-1 eta.
    April Fool's day. That's fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    That Surly vid really shows how arrogant they are. It's one thing to make fun of the fact you can bring items to market, but it wouldn't kill them to be a little humble.

    The whole "we do what we want, when we want to do it, because we can" thing wears really thin....really ****ing fast.

    The public isn't alone in feeling this way. Ask some of the big dealers how they feel about their products, supply chain, inventory, and you will get some cross looks.
    The whole "we're so É@Ęking hipster, racing sucks, check out my sweet beard" schtick has worn rather thin. You nailed it, it's really arrogant. It's brilliant, in the same way that Harley Davidson has grown legions of loyal fanboy customers in spite of any semblance of performance and mediocre quality, but nonetheless, a little goes a long way. I'm over it.

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    Then there's the 29+ Dirt Wizards. I fully understand that the delay of the 29+ Dirt Wizards have destroyed your life and your will to ride. Maybe they'll be here sooner than we've let on. Maybe we just canceled them and we're leading you on. Maybe we've been delaying them because it's so entertaining to hear people whine. Maybe I should quit typing before I get into too much trouble.
    ^^^^ from the Surly Blog today.....
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    more Surly hipster douchery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    ^^^^ from the Surly Blog today.....
    Surly does well IN SPITE OF THEIR marketing department. It used to be that they made cool products that no one else made but the market is expanding and there are other options. Aren't they blowing out instigators for $599 with tires and rims? Cool useful products sell themselves with or without knarly beards and sarcastic dry wit humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    The whole "we're so É@Ęking hipster, racing sucks, check out my sweet beard" schtick has worn rather thin. You nailed it, it's really arrogant. It's brilliant, in the same way that Harley Davidson has grown legions of loyal fanboy customers in spite of any semblance of performance and mediocre quality, but nonetheless, a little goes a long way. I'm over it.
    Well said Gigantic!

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    I'm going to give this guy the benefit of doubt and say that its likely one of the two options below that applies to his poor product review.

    1) He is not comfortable in front of a camera.
    2) He was put in this position by surprise with little time to prepare.

    If neither of these are true then Surly really needs to find some better quality people to represent their products IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    ^^^^ from the Surly Blog today.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coneheadthebarbituit View Post
    I'm going to give this guy the benefit of doubt and say that its likely one of the two options below that applies to his poor product review.

    1) He is not comfortable in front of a camera.
    2) He was put in this position by surprise with little time to prepare.

    If neither of these are true then Surly really needs to find some better quality people to represent their products IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    I`m looking for a new job!, Golf Course management fecking sucks here in Scotland despite being the home of golf!....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coneheadthebarbituit View Post
    I'm going to give this guy the benefit of doubt and say that its likely one of the two options below that applies to his poor product review.

    1) He is not comfortable in front of a camera.
    2) He was put in this position by surprise with little time to prepare.

    If neither of these are true then Surly really needs to find some better quality people to represent their products IMO.
    I've worked as a press liaison in the past. You absolutely have to be comfortable in front of a camera and crowds and if you are doing a trade show, you have got to be prepared. He knows his product and his delivery is deliberate. What you are seeing is the attitude that Surly have imbued in their brand; they're Surly, they dgaf and they want you to know that. By buying their products, you are telling the world that you dgaf, either. It is total hipster brand identification, sell attitude first. It is entirely calculated; they're trying to be cheeky and funny.

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    I just think they have been laughing at each other for so long they actually think they're funny, kinda like the inside joke syndrome.

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    yeah. Personally, I'm just done with arch and irony as a marketing tactic. I'd find it more appealing if they shifted their tack just a few degrees and embraced earnestness. Instead of saying "we don't make bikes for racing, we're different, f@Ęk Heineken, Pabst Blue Ribbon!" maybe try saying "we take chances, do things a little differently, simply because we like having fun," and see how that works, instead of insulting the people that they want to buy their products...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    That's the beauty of QBP if you don't dig Surly you buy from 45N or one of their other brands and thinking you got to make a choice you still give the mothership your $$.
    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I always find that funny too "I'm not going to support Surly, I'll buy from Salsa (or 45Nrth or...) etc. vice-versa.
    The parent company profiting or not has nothing to do with Surly. Revenues are still being reported by each sub-entity (Surly, Salsa, etc.). Taking away sales from Surly to another QBP company still affects Surly. When/if it comes to restructure, well, look back to see what happened at GM. Big companies shed poorly performing divisions all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    The parent company profiting or not has nothing to do with Surly. Revenues are still being reported by each sub-entity (Surly, Salsa, etc.). Taking away sales from Surly to another QBP company still affects Surly. When/if it comes to restructure, well, look back to see what happened at GM. Big companies shed poorly performing divisions all the time.
    Surly isn't going anywhere. If you don't buy as much of their product they may spend less on R&D which could cause some problems....lots of companies have R&D programs that go something like this:

    1. wait for Surly to come out with something new that's cool
    2. copy it
    3. sell copy cheaper
    4. complain bitterly how Surly is overpriced awful crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Surly isn't going anywhere. If you don't buy as much of their product they may spend less on R&D which could cause some problems....lots of companies have R&D programs that go something like this:

    1. wait for Surly to come out with something new that's cool
    2. copy it
    3. sell copy cheaper
    4. complain bitterly how Surly is overpriced awful crap
    5. start again at 1
    To clarify, I wasn't saying that Surly's now about to be axed (then again, we've seen how some of these "Too big to fail" scenarios played out). Just making sure people understood that by not buying Surly and going with another QBP brand---it still does affect Surly, even if ultimately, QBP's bottom line doesn't change.

    My opinion regarding Surly: There were a few instances in the past that left a bad taste in my mouth. Mostly what has been discussed here. I like their bikes and currently have 3 in the garage. I like to support companies that...I like. Over the past few years, they're making it harder and harder to give my money to them, mainly due to their stupid shenanigans and elitest attitudes.

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    Meanwhile, while many of y'all were typing your fingers bloody/wringing your hands decrying the _____ marketing tactics, Knard 4.8's came into stock last week. Should be showing up in shops today/tomorrow.

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    I'm very very interested in some width measurements on the new Knard. I'm not so fond of the Bulldozer I have on back that does a terrible job of shedding mud and snow. Not a bad tire but it packs up pretty bad. This 4.8 knard looks gooooood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Should be showing up in shops today/tomorrow.
    I called lbs yesterday to ask if any had been pre-ordered, and they had not. But he was going to place an order for a few for me. I am guessing he missed the boat on the first shipment though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrr496 View Post
    i saw them in the flesh yesterday. I can't wait to get a set.
    details?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    details?
    What do you want to know? I saw them mounted up on Darryls on a 907 190mm frame. Looks like a great all around tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    What do you want to know? I saw them mounted up on Darryls on a 907 190mm frame. Looks like a great all around tire.
    You know the drill. Width, diameter, side-by-side comparo to 3.8 Knard, price, TPI.

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    Well, the drill right now is I was sitting in my truck and Derrick wheeled the bike out to show me. I am currently nursing a broken ankle. I'll send a text and ask the cost. In a few weeks, as soon as I can be back on my bike, I'll have a pair.
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    ^Broken ankle is not a valid excuse as to why you are not providing mtbr with insider info.

    Sell bike to purchase Rascal, enter bike shop, snap pics and take measurements, sell Rascal, buy new bike...use Knards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    looks very sand happy....
    I think this just replaced the BFL's I had sitting in a web shopping cart somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ^Broken ankle is not a valid excuse as to why you are not providing mtbr with insider info.

    Sell bike to purchase Rascal, enter bike shop, snap pics and take measurements, sell Rascal, buy new bike...use Knards.
    That made me LOL. I'm trying my best to get retail numbers. I did ask when he showed em to me and the answer was "It doesn't matter to you" because I "work" there. I think the store is closed this week.
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    I checked the FB page. He says 4.5 on Darryls and 4.75 on Clownshoes.
    Still hasn't got back to me with a price.
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    https://www.facebook.com/cyclehaven/...type=1&theater

    There's a pic next to a 3.8 Knard on a Marge Lite. The 4.8 is on a Darryl in a 907 frame.
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    Tire retails for 130. Cycle Haven in NY sells it for 119.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/cyclehaven/...type=1&theater

    There's a pic next to a 3.8 Knard on a Marge Lite. The 4.8 is on a Darryl in a 907 frame.
    Is that a 170 or 190 frame? Probably a new 190.

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    Assuming it is the factory paint, I would say a 190. 170s came in black, orange, green, yellow and red IIRC. I am also eyeing up these knard 4.8s very closely as I am sure it will fit the front fork but the rear will probably be either close or no go. I have my cassette truncated to an 8 speed for extra clearance anyway but the 170 rear triangle is probably too tight.

    Otherwise I will likely go with a BFL on RD for the rear this summer. Last summer I ran the knards 3.8 on RDs and was very happy with them.

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    It's a 2014 190mm frame. He had it powder coated in a midnight blue metallic.
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    I've still found no sign of these being definitively in stock with any online vendors yet. Anyone else...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    There's a pic next to a 3.8 Knard on a Marge Lite. The 4.8 is on a Darryl in a 907 frame.
    WOW...that is a great looking tire. I really did like my 3.8 Knard as a rear tire last summer, but don't have any experience with it as a front, as I ran a Hudu up front.

    I am either thinking Knard (x2) or Knard and Bud.


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    Mine came in yesterday. I do not have a scale, but I will try to get a pic next to Bud.
    My plan is to run Knards front and rear. I ordered them from Bikeman.com.


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    A pic compared to ole Bud would be awesome ! Thats a deal breaker.

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    mine should be at the shop today,only 100 bucks each so not a bad deal from the LBS.

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    I'd appreciate anyone that can get a shoulder knob to knob mm measurement. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    mine should be at the shop today,only 100 bucks each so not a bad deal from the LBS.
    Wow; that's a good LBS you've got yourself there. I get the impression that 'round these parts (Twin Cities, MN), unless you've got a coupon, it's MSRP or nothin'. I could be wrong. Someone chime in if I'm wrong!

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    ^ You gotta quit going to the big name stores, or chain stores. Find yourself a good small shop, and start developing a relationship. You will more than likely save some cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuru nuru View Post
    Wow; that's a good LBS you've got yourself there. I get the impression that 'round these parts (Twin Cities, MN), unless you've got a coupon, it's MSRP or nothin'. I could be wrong. Someone chime in if I'm wrong!
    If you become a member of IMBA/MORC you get 10-15% off some places with your card in the metro. Minnesota Off-Road Cyclists
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    Here are some crappy pics compared to Bud. I don't have any of the fancy measurement tools. I would say it's about 1/8" narrower.





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    100mm rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    100mm rims?
    90mm rims and tubeless.


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    Awesome ! Thanks.
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    Looks like same casing as Bud with different knobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Looks like same casing as Bud with different knobs?
    I think this is true. It's a lot lighter though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebionicman View Post
    I think this is true. It's a lot lighter though.


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    Do you have an actual weight yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuru nuru View Post
    Wow; that's a good LBS you've got yourself there. I get the impression that 'round these parts (Twin Cities, MN), unless you've got a coupon, it's MSRP or nothin'. I could be wrong. Someone chime in if I'm wrong!
    i make a point of doing the bulk of my purchases through the LBS,even when i can get something cheaper online i would rather have a good local shop...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ^ You gotta quit going to the big name stores, or chain stores. Find yourself a good small shop, and start developing a relationship. You will more than likely save some cash.

    exactly,i get a discount on everything,i rarely have to pay for shop time unless i insist,and i usually do...plus i bother to tip the mechanics so yes,i get great service and an invaluable source of advice and help. i really dont care if someone at jensonusa has a job so much,supporting the LBS means someone in my town has a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
    Do you have an actual weight yet?
    Sorry I do not have a scale.

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    Tried my local shop and they don't have any yet. Anybody know where I can find a pair online? Want to run these as summer tires in my blackborow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edved37 View Post
    Tried my local shop and they don't have any yet. Anybody know where I can find a pair online? Want to run these as summer tires in my blackborow.
    https://www.facebook.com/cyclehaven

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    Quote Originally Posted by edved37 View Post
    Tried my local shop and they don't have any yet. Anybody know where I can find a pair online? Want to run these as summer tires in my blackborow.
    Quote Originally Posted by thebionicman View Post
    Mine came in yesterday. I do not have a scale, but I will try to get a pic next to Bud.
    My plan is to run Knards front and rear. I ordered them from Bikeman.com.


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    I'm wondering if this could be a good all year tire. I'm not too fond on riding deep snow anymore anyway. Groomed snow or follow the snowmobiles on the river. I hit mud in spring though. Guessing these will pack up but hopefully shed better that the damn bulldozer I have on back now.
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    Just got riding them in the dirt at Theo. Wow I really like these tires. I have to remind myself not to brake.



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    Those Knards looks a lot like a certain feature on Pam Anderson, but for the life of me I cannot pin it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebionicman View Post
    Just got riding them in the dirt at Theo. Wow I really like these tires. I have to remind myself not to brake.



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    Those look great. Any word on wet/loose conditions (rock, mud, roots)? Looking to ride these 3 seasons in the Northeast (spring, summer fall).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuru nuru View Post
    Wow; that's a good LBS you've got yourself there. I get the impression that 'round these parts (Twin Cities, MN), unless you've got a coupon, it's MSRP or nothin'. I could be wrong. Someone chime in if I'm wrong!
    Yeah you're totally wrong. There are so many shops here they basically have to either have great service or prices to compete. The HUB and ACF are great great shops that have always helped me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puttsey View Post
    Yeah you're totally wrong. There are so many shops here they basically have to either have great service or prices to compete. The HUB and ACF are great great shops that have always helped me out.
    Yeah, I bought my ICT from the Hub, and they'd given me a discount coupon prior to that, which was nice. I like that they're a co-op, so I wanted to support them anyway. Didn't know they'd take a detour from MSRP, though. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Those Knards looks a lot like a certain feature on Pam Anderson, but for the life of me I cannot pin it down.
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