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    Quote Originally Posted by RFBca View Post
    I heard some rumors that the 27.5 x 4.5in tires are not clearing the spacing on Blutos. Trek apparently acknowledged this. Can anyone confirm? If they do actually clear, what rim width are you using? Can you post a pic? thanks!
    It will just fit when new but after sometime it will stretch and no longer fit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    I don't want to go wider than necessary, or narrower than is wise.
    Anyone running the 27.5 Barbis on Scrapers? I'm wondering if that's too narrow and if I should hold off for some 60-65mm hoops to become available.
    Really to me, 65mm Mulefuts would make the most sense.

    The other option is just building up another nice set of fat rims and get a more aggressive winter tire for when the Barbi is overwhelmed by muck, but that seems like a waste given my situation. I don't ride much in snotty conditions.
    Scraper's (assuming i45) aren't quite wide enough for the Hodag's IMO, and the Barbe and new Gnarwhal are substantially more girthy. I'd want an 80mm rim for either of those.

    I liked the 26" Barbe too, but not nearly as much as the 27.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    well, my slightly nebulous reply might be the barbi 27.5 should be seen as a full-fat tyre and the hodag, somewhere between a fat and a plus tyre in terms of ideal range of use?
    This is a good way to put it.

    I think of the B Fat Hodag as the ideal size for fat-on-dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Scraper's (assuming i45) aren't quite wide enough for the Hodag's IMO, and the Barbe and new Gnarwhal are substantially more girthy. I'd want an 80mm rim for either of those.

    I liked the 26" Barbe too, but not nearly as much as the 27.5.
    Fwiw, I really like the Hodag on 45mm Scrapers. Some may object that the narrow rim makes the profile too bulbous, but I appreciate that, as it enhances cornering grip considerably over similar tires on 26x65mm or larger rims. The Hodag 27.5 fat is also a wicked fast tire, faster than any fat or plus tire I've used to date. It's not particularly quick, but once it's spun up, it really moves.

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    After reading thru all the positive feedback on the plus/Hodag combo, I decided it was worth a shot. I tried the Hodags on my 50's and have to say I not a fan so far. I knew they would be heavier, but I didn't realize how much more rolling resistance compared to JJ4.0 & NN3.0 there would be, especially on such a nice round profile tire. I felt like they actually had less corning traction then both tire's I mentioned above. I agree with others that the Hodags have a tough sidewall, but for me then just feel dead. Yesterday I dropped the pressure in small increments during my ride till I saw a wrinkle in the casing when bounced on.

    I'm not giving up on the 27x4" platform completely, I just think I'm done with the Hodag. I may give it a couple more weeks, but don't want to force something when I have better options for me laying in the garage. I think I'm going to go back to the 3" tires till a lighter faster rolling 27x4" tire pops up. I still have my 26 fat wheels for this winter, but my wife may have to be stuff with 3" tires in snow. I'm thinking about throwing on the new 45nrth studded Wrathchild and see how she fairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tadraper View Post
    It will just fit when new but after sometime it will stretch and no longer fit.


    That's a crying shame. Does anyone know if the wren fat bike suspension fork will fit the 27.5 x 4.5 inch tires?
    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    After reading thru all the positive feedback on the plus/Hodag combo, I decided it was worth a shot. I tried the Hodags on my 50's and have to say I not a fan so far. I knew they would be heavier, but I didn't realize how much more rolling resistance compared to JJ4.0 & NN3.0 there would be, especially on such a nice round profile tire. I felt like they actually had less corning traction then both tire's I mentioned above. I agree with others that the Hodags have a tough sidewall, but for me then just feel dead. Yesterday I dropped the pressure in small increments during my ride till I saw a wrinkle in the casing when bounced on.

    I'm not giving up on the 27x4" platform completely, I just think I'm done with the Hodag. I may give it a couple more weeks, but don't want to force something when I have better options for me laying in the garage. I think I'm going to go back to the 3" tires till a lighter faster rolling 27x4" tire pops up. I still have my 26 fat wheels for this winter, but my wife may have to be stuff with 3" tires in snow. I'm thinking about throwing on the new 45nrth studded Wrathchild and see how she fairs.

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    I'm excited!

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    What's the word on when we might see more 27.5 x 4" tires? So far, we've really only got the hodag, until they hit the streets or trails as it may be, the Maxxis Minion 27.5 x 4's might as well be vaporware. Is there any scuttlebutt about, say, a Schwalbe 27.5 fat tire in the works? A B-fat JumboJim would be the cat's pajamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    What's the word on when we might see more 27.5 x 4" tires? So far, we've really only got the hodag, until they hit the streets or trails as it may be, the Maxxis Minion 27.5 x 4's might as well be vaporware. Is there any scuttlebutt about, say, a Schwalbe 27.5 fat tire in the works? A B-fat JumboJim would be the cat's pajamas.
    I've not heard word of any other options unfortunately. Hopefully the Maxxis tires will materialize sooner rather than latter. And I agree, a B Fat Jumbo Jim would be sweet! At least the one tire we have is a good one, and Bontrager now has 2 4.5" tires as well.

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    A year later and I'm still not excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    A year later and I'm still not excited.
    You sure Bob, I'll make you a sweet deal on some 27 Hodags😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Scraper's (assuming i45) aren't quite wide enough for the Hodag's IMO, and the Barbe and new Gnarwhal are substantially more girthy. I'd want an 80mm rim for either of those.

    I liked the 26" Barbe too, but not nearly as much as the 27.5.
    Hmm...thanks for the feedback.
    Still not sure what to do with those DT Swiss hubs then.
    I almost wish I wasn't so happy with the 26" Barbis in the Summer/year round, then building up the DT Swiss as 29+ (which I already have hoops and Chupies for) would be a no-brainer. As it stands I still don't feel the need, and they sit un-built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    Hmm...thanks for the feedback.
    Still not sure what to do with those DT Swiss hubs then.
    I almost wish I wasn't so happy with the 26" Barbis in the Summer/year round, then building up the DT Swiss as 29+ (which I already have hoops and Chupies for) would be a no-brainer. As it stands I still don't feel the need, and they sit un-built.
    Clearly I can't speak for you, but it's a rare person that builds a set of 29+ with Chupa's and doesn't *love* what they do for the bike in summer months. That's one of the more popular wheel/tire sets that I sell.

    Worst case, if you build 'em and don't love 'em, there is a great used market for 'em.

    But I'm betting you'll love 'em. As my sweetie says (about the Chupa's): "There's something magical about that tire...".

    Good luck.

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    Coming from you that's strong endorsement, I'll reconsider just building them up.
    Already made the investment after all.

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    my guess is they will as they are spec'ed on rocky mountain's fat bikes and that = a bulk order for maxxis, so they have a reason to pop them out before or at least early winter. The pre order for the Suzi q is expected oct 16 so the tyres cant be *that* much after?

    i hope!

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I've not heard word of any other options unfortunately. Hopefully the Maxxis tires will materialize sooner rather than latter. And I agree, a B Fat Jumbo Jim would be sweet! At least the one tire we have is a good one, and Bontrager now has 2 4.5" tires as well.
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    Excited? Not exactly.

    Thrilled, tickled, psyched, stoked, jazzed?

    All of the above.

    Details here.
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    Need, ok, want to build some 29+ for a Farley 9.6. Scraper i40's with DT Hubs. Reasonable or better ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwilpum View Post
    Need, ok, want to build some 29+ for a Farley 9.6. Scraper i40's with DT Hubs. Reasonable or better ideas?
    What does that have to do with 27.5x4 tires? Maybe try the Farley thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delopez View Post
    That's a crying shame. Does anyone know if the wren fat bike suspension fork will fit the 27.5 x 4.5 inch tires?
    If you use the longer travel version it will work. You need the one that uses the 570 AC and then drop the travel to 130 from 150, 120 will give you a greater safety margin and is probably the smarter way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    What does that have to do with 27.5x4 tires? Maybe try the Farley thread?

    Gee sorry bikeny........the relevance was unfortunately not clear. Mikesee had just posted on his website a build for a Farley Al frame with 27.5x4 tires and wheels. Thought I could throw this question out. I guess it was the incorrect thread. Didn't intend on wasting your time reading that post. I guess I should apologize in advance for this one.

    Love them 27.5x4 tires. Excited? yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    If you use the longer travel version it will work. You need the one that uses the 570 AC and then drop the travel to 130 from 150, 120 will give you a greater safety margin and is probably the smarter way to go.
    Thanks gravitylover. However, since I've posted this, I've spoke with the lead engineer at wren. The 150 would change the geometry too much and raise the bottom bracket. The 110mm, after measuring everything while on the phone with him, would be a great fit and will clear the wheel/tire combination.

    Just trying to regurgitate the same information that I received. Also, the lauf carbonara fits the 27.5 x 4.5 wheel/tire combo...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwilpum View Post
    Gee sorry bikeny........the relevance was unfortunately not clear. Mikesee had just posted on his website a build for a Farley Al frame with 27.5x4 tires and wheels. Thought I could throw this question out. I guess it was the incorrect thread. Didn't intend on wasting your time reading that post. I guess I should apologize in advance for this one.

    Love them 27.5x4 tires. Excited? yeah.
    Not a big deal, I just think you will get more/better information elsewhere. Enjoy the Farley!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delopez View Post
    That's a crying shame. Does anyone know if the wren fat bike suspension fork will fit the 27.5 x 4.5 inch tires?



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    Yes it will, I ran 29+ Dirt Wizards on the 150 travel and the 110 travel Wren forks. If it's close (each tire is different), you can limit travel in 10mm increments.

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    When can I get my hands on set of Minion EXO 27.5 x 3.8??

    I'm building wheels this weekend, gonna need some tires, and those are the ones I want!

    Hey Mike, got a release date on these suckers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Hey Mike, got a release date on these suckers?

    Nope.

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    I found the front listed and available direct from Maxxis, but it's $120! The rear is not listed.

    QBP has them listed, but not available. The pricing is far friendlier than Maxxis direct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I think of the B Fat Hodag as the ideal size for fat-on-dirt.
    Including soft sand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    Including soft sand?

    Depends on what % of sand vs. harder surfaces you're talking about, per ride. And which (width) rims you're running them on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I found the front listed and available direct from Maxxis, but it's $120! The rear is not listed.

    QBP has them listed, but not available. The pricing is far friendlier than Maxxis direct.
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    So right now the only tires are Bontragers with Maxxis in due time? any other rumors or tires waiting in the wings for 27.5x4 or more?

    I have a 27.5 Jackelope wheelset with Hodags en route hence the curiousity..........

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    yup. the hodag is pretty versatile though. oddly, for once, it might be nice to have a *less* aggressive tread pattern next! first time i have said that in about 10 years.

    it looks like the 27.5 minion fbf is about in the usa...see the other thread on this forum for a link. if the current differences in maxxis and bontrager tyres are anything to go by, the minion will have a more robust sidewall, be a little heavier and will be around the same size.

    The hodags are really impressive tyres. bearing in mind their volume and stability at low pressures, and robust, siped tread, they offer great trail behaviour and are not that much heavier than a maxxis minion 29x2.5, depending on version. if i was running one on the rear i might break out the cutters and give some of the centre knobs a trim, or i might not...when i had one on the rear it felt like a fair bit of rolling resistance.

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    Anyone seen of or heard of these 3.5 tires? Not quite 4.0 or even 3.8,but could be a viable cheaper option for some....

    Origin 8 Tsunami Fatbike Tire 27.5x3.5 - 120TPI

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Anyone seen of or heard of these 3.5 tires? Not quite 4.0 or even 3.8,but could be a viable cheaper option for some....

    Origin 8 Tsunami Fatbike Tire 27.5x3.5 - 120TPI
    No, but here is the link to the 27.5 & 29 models: Product Description | Origin8

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    So right now the only tires are Bontragers with Maxxis in due time? any other rumors or tires waiting in the wings for 27.5x4 or more?

    I have a 27.5 Jackelope wheelset with Hodags en route hence the curiousity..........

    Bontrager also makes the Barbegazi in 27.5 x 4.5, and the Gnarwhal in the same size. Barbe is a go-fast low tread tire with a surprising amount of grip. Gnarwhal has big, meaty, chunky knobs and stud pockets. Gnarwhal's are amazing if you really need 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    After reading thru all the positive feedback on the plus/Hodag combo, I decided it was worth a shot. I tried the Hodags on my 50's and have to say I not a fan so far. I knew they would be heavier, but I didn't realize how much more rolling resistance compared to JJ4.0 & NN3.0 there would be, especially on such a nice round profile tire. I felt like they actually had less corning traction then both tire's I mentioned above. I agree with others that the Hodags have a tough sidewall, but for me then just feel dead. Yesterday I dropped the pressure in small increments during my ride till I saw a wrinkle in the casing when bounced on.

    I'm not giving up on the 27x4" platform completely, I just think I'm done with the Hodag. I may give it a couple more weeks, but don't want to force something when I have better options for me laying in the garage. I think I'm going to go back to the 3" tires till a lighter faster rolling 27x4" tire pops up. I still have my 26 fat wheels for this winter, but my wife may have to be stuff with 3" tires in snow. I'm thinking about throwing on the new 45nrth studded Wrathchild and see how she fairs.
    You may end up liking them in the snow. At least on packed trails. Worth a shot in any case since you have them.
    Fall is here. Woo-hoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    You may end up liking them in the snow. At least on packed trails. Worth a shot in any case since you have them.
    They've been passed on to radair, he's gonna do some experimenting of his own. Interested in his feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This is a good way to put it.

    I think of the B Fat Hodag as the ideal size for fat-on-dirt.
    Yes, totally. We got a Farley 9.6 after having Hodags on Farley 8. I was obsessed with wanting plus wheels and tires right away. That's been completely out of mind because the 27.5 Hodags are so great for bad and tough conditions and trying different plus tires gave a sense that none are ripping fast like 2.3 or 2.4 29 tires.

    Now I want to try the B vs 26 Hodags on snow before going with the desire to get Barbegazi on the bigger rims.

    If you look at the two sizes of Hodags next to each other you would not think there would be much difference but when riding it's like my wife's car with large diameter performance tires and my stock Subaru wheels and tires.

    I didn't want to believe the marketing hype but I know and sometimes ride with Trek engineers and product people who got these on bikes. I know it wasn't just the marketing dept that started this. Our Farley with 26 in Hodags makes me think I want plus tires. Our Farley with 27.5 Hodags makes me think shut up and ride.


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    A Farley with either version of the Barbi's will want to make you shut up and ride as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This is a good way to put it.

    I think of the B Fat Hodag as the ideal size for fat-on-dirt.
    Do you happen to know if the B Fat Hodags will fit on a MRP Stage 29er fork? I'm running a 29x2.5 DHF right now. I'd need to get a new wheel for the Hodags of course. I like the DHF a lot. Just that little bit of extra diameter over a 29x2.35 seemed to make it roll over chunder so much easier and really gain speed fast on the downhills. I'm also considering trying out a NobbyNic 29x2.6. I believe those will fit on a Stage. The majority of my riding is at Lunch Loops. More Ped/Holy Cross/Gunny/Raven/Curt's/Andy's rather than Free Lunch/Pucker Up
    Fall is here. Woo-hoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    Do you happen to know if the B Fat Hodags will fit on a MRP Stage 29er fork?
    Not even close.

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    very interested in the 27.5x4. read this thread multiple times over.

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    I got the 27.5 x 3.8" Bontrager Hodags last week and installed them on XM Carbonspeed 50mm (~45mm internal) carbon rims, which kicked the chainstay back to 420mm.

    They did not make me a superstar. I'm requesting my money back.



    They're skinnier than I expected. Maybe I'll try to see if they fit in my Stumpy 6 Fatty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    No, but here is the link to the 27.5 & 29 models: Product Description | Origin8
    Well I just got this 3.5 tire in and will be sending it back. What a joke all around....barely 7 inches bead to bead and the knobs are smaller than on my 2.5. These are waaay under 3.5 inches and very thin. Should have expected this for under $40. Think I will just pay up for the Hodags and be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Well I just got this 3.5 tire in and will be sending it back. What a joke all around....barely 7 inches bead to bead and the knobs are smaller than on my 2.5. These are waaay under 3.5 inches and very thin. Should have expected this for under $40. Think I will just pay up for the Hodags and be done.
    Yeah, it's just a rebadged Panaracer Fat B Nimble. No idea why they are still labeling them 3.5", should be 2.9"!

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    My new 29x3.0 FBN barely measures 2.6 on a 42mm rim. I wonder if they count on using a max width rim like 50mm, and then size down from there by some margin.

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    Has anyone tried a 27.5 x4.5 Gnarwhal on plus rims yet? I've read the 4.7 Barb was a no go so wondering if this is just smaller enough to be an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    Has anyone tried a 27.5 x4.5 Gnarwhal on plus rims yet? I've read the 4.7 Barb was a no go so wondering if this is just smaller enough to be an option.

    They'll fit and function just fine. Whether you want a big tire on a narrow rim, and the attendant need to run higher pressures to prevent squirm, is personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    Has anyone tried a 27.5 x4.5 Gnarwhal on plus rims yet? I've read the 4.7 Barb was a no go so wondering if this is just smaller enough to be an option.
    I believe the 27.5 Gnarwhal and Barbi use the same casing and are the same size. I ran a Barbi on a 65mm rim for a bit, and I wouldn't go any smaller.

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    I just ordered a set of Nextie 27.5 x 65 for my Hodags. Going on some DT Swiss hubs. Selling off my Jackelope 27.5 x 80 wheels when they are done.
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    So you're saying there's a chance. Just kidding. Looks like a Trek Farley EX 8. Right? What's the largest tire you've been able to fit in the rear triangle? I'm currently considering a Farley EX but I worry I'm narrowing my tire choices too dramatically.

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    Must be some significant tire variation- a guy on Facebook has them fitting fine front and rear on a EX 9.8, which should have the same clearances.
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    My buddy loves his Farley EX, it's his one bike with a couple wheelsets, he has Dillinger 5's on 26" wheels and 29x3 Chupacabra tires on another wheel set.

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    My only off road bike is the ex 8, 3 wheel sets it fits almost every ride I need it for. Just can't go 27.5x4.5 would be nice but I can do with my 26x4.8 is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    So you're saying there's a chance. Just kidding. Looks like a Trek Farley EX 8. Right? What's the largest tire you've been able to fit in the rear triangle? I'm currently considering a Farley EX but I worry I'm narrowing my tire choices too dramatically.
    Looks like it wouldn't rub at all after the first hundred miles or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Must be some significant tire variation- a guy on Facebook has them fitting fine front and rear on a EX 9.8, which should have the same clearances.
    He posted later that the beads wernt seated. He later inflated fully and they didnt fit. I suspect they might fit with a 65mm rim then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    He posted later that the beads wernt seated. He later inflated fully and they didnt fit. I suspect they might fit with a 65mm rim then.
    Yeah I saw that. I don't think a 65mm would help. If anything it would make the tire slightly taller, leading to more rubbing in the middle.
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    So I bought last month a Trek Farley EX 9.8 ( Farley EX 9.8 | Trek Bikes ) and I have been struggling to find studded tires. I ride (in Sweden) on a mix of snow, ice and melted-refrozen-snow. Right now I have the stock Hodag 27.5 x 3.8 tires but I already felt several times on icy sections (so icy I could not even walk). I really need studded tires but it seems the new Gnarwhal in 27.5 x 4.5 will not fit, the Hodag will not survive long having Gripstuds. The only solution left is to buy a set of 26" wheels with studded tires.

    I am not an expert on tires so my question is which studded tires would you use to give the best grip on the most awful winter roads and if those tires would fit the Farley EX? Am I correct to assume that this bike will accept most 26" fat tires or do I need to be careful with the width? I am eyeing at the 45nrth Dillinger (either 4 or 5). The Dillinger 5 is 4.8" wide: is there anyone here using that tire on a Farley EX 9.8 and who can confirm they fit well with no rubbing? I just don't want to buy these tires to realize they can't fit... Many thanks!

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    there was some chat in a different thread of 27.5x3 studded from nokian. it might drop the bb slightly but might work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gchapron View Post
    So I bought last month a Trek Farley EX 9.8 ( Farley EX 9.8 | Trek Bikes ) and I have been struggling to find studded tires. I ride (in Sweden) on a mix of snow, ice and melted-refrozen-snow. Right now I have the stock Hodag 27.5 x 3.8 tires but I already felt several times on icy sections (so icy I could not even walk). I really need studded tires but it seems the new Gnarwhal in 27.5 x 4.5 will not fit, the Hodag will not survive long having Gripstuds. The only solution left is to buy a set of 26" wheels with studded tires.

    I am not an expert on tires so my question is which studded tires would you use to give the best grip on the most awful winter roads and if those tires would fit the Farley EX? Am I correct to assume that this bike will accept most 26" fat tires or do I need to be careful with the width? I am eyeing at the 45nrth Dillinger (either 4 or 5). The Dillinger 5 is 4.8" wide: is there anyone here using that tire on a Farley EX 9.8 and who can confirm they fit well with no rubbing? I just don't want to buy these tires to realize they can't fit... Many thanks!
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    My tire is 115mm wide at it's widest point, which is the middle of the sidewall, 330mm away from the axle. At it's tallest point, the tire is 370mm tall, so 540mm diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gchapron View Post
    I ride (in Sweden) on a mix of snow, ice and melted-refrozen-snow. Right now I have the stock Hodag 27.5 x 3.8 tires but I already felt several times on icy sections (so icy I could not even walk). I really need studded tires but it seems the new Gnarwhal in 27.5 x 4.5 will not fit, the Hodag will not survive long having Gripstuds.

    I studded up a set of Hodags last year and used them for the season, and this year moved the grip studs to a set of the Babergazi's because I wanted more width. The grip studs work great for me, and I have not had a single one come out. The tread depth is definitely a bit marginal, so you have to stop at the right point when putting them in. You can feel them hitting the chords and that is the point that I stop. I run them in with a hand tool and felt this gave much better control that trying to use a drill attached to the bit.

    I run tubeless, so any small penetrations by studs get sealed up quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrogersAK View Post
    I studded up a set of Hodags last year and used them for the season, and this year moved the grip studs to a set of the Babergazi's because I wanted more width. The grip studs work great for me, and I have not had a single one come out. The tread depth is definitely a bit marginal, so you have to stop at the right point when putting them in. You can feel them hitting the chords and that is the point that I stop. I run them in with a hand tool and felt this gave much better control that trying to use a drill attached to the bit.

    I run tubeless, so any small penetrations by studs get sealed up quickly.
    That matches my experience too - they worked great on ice and held up well. I am going to set of the Gnarwhals in 27.5x4.5 for riding on snow and I'm going to stud them too. I'll be selling the 3.8" version that I studded if anyone is interested. Mostly ridden on snow.

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    3.8 fits my 27Plus, how much for the Studded Gnarwhals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    3.8 fits my 27Plus, how much for the Studded Gnarwhals?
    The 27.5x4.5" Gnarwhals don't come studded but they have pockets for studs to make them easily studded. Bontrager also makes studs that fit the pockets. If I recall, the tires are priced at $119 ea from Bontrager and the studs are $49.95 for 225 (which, I think, is about how many pockets are on each tire, but not sure).

    If you're talking about the 27.5x3.8" studded tires I have, these are the stock tires that come on the Treks with grip studs added. PM me if you are interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    The 27.5x4.5" Gnarwhals don't come studded but they have pockets for studs to make them easily studded.
    And they don't fit into a Bluto....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    The 27.5x4.5" Gnarwhals don't come studded but they have pockets for studs to make them easily studded. Bontrager also makes studs that fit the pockets. If I recall, the tires are priced at $119 ea from Bontrager and the studs are $49.95 for 225 (which, I think, is about how many pockets are on each tire, but not sure).

    If you're talking about the 27.5x3.8" studded tires I have, these are the stock tires that come on the Treks with grip studs added. PM me if you are interested.

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    I've gone through this thread getting numbers for the size of the 27.5x4.5 Barb. Seems to be a lot of variation, no doubt different rim widths and inflation pressures. Looking for more data, I stopped by my LBS and measured a few tires from their bikes... pressure was around 15psi, all on 80mm rims (Mulefut), and all measured within +/-0.5mm of 107mm carcass and 106mm knobs (4 tires on 2 bikes). Couldn't get OD unfortunately.

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    Some one needs to make a 4.2" that fits the suzi q, bluto, farley ex. Studable and speedy. Like a dillinger 4.2"x 27.5"
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Some one needs to make a 4.2" that fits the suzi q, bluto, farley ex. Studable and speedy. Like a dillinger 4.2"x 27.5"
    Indeed, the 4.2 x 275 would be nice. I've just mounted up 3.8 Hodags and wishing they were a bit larger (closer to 3.5 on a 50mm) and meatier. Plenty of bikes and forks that would support this size too! It is THE missing fat tire size imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Indeed, the 4.2 x 275 would be nice. I've just mounted up 3.8 Hodags and wishing they were a bit larger (closer to 3.5 on a 50mm) and meatier. Plenty of bikes and forks that would support this size too! It is THE missing fat tire size imo.
    According to dwaharvey's measurements, the 27.5 Barbegazi measure 106-107 on 80mm Mulefut rims.

    If you do the conversion, that's 4.17" - 4.21"....

    I've seen other measurements that are bigger though, so who knows.

    I just got a set of 27.5 Jackalope wheels that will be getting Bargegazi tires, so I'll post my measurements soon.

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    Speaking of 27.5 Jackalopes, here is a set in perfect condition, with super low mileage Barbegazis: Bontrager Jackalope 27.5 Barbegazi 4.50 wheelset - Buy and Sell Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven View Post
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    Speaking of 27.5 Jackanapes, here is a set in perfect condition, with super low mileage Barbegazis: Bontrager Jackalope 27.5 Barbegazi 4.50 wheelset - Buy and Sell Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    According to dwaharvey's measurements, the 27.5 Barbegazi measure 106-107 on 80mm Mulefut rims.

    If you do the conversion, that's 4.17" - 4.21"....

    I've seen other measurements that are bigger though, so who knows.

    I just got a set of 27.5 Jackalope wheels that will be getting Bargegazi tires, so I'll post my measurements soon.
    yeah, i get bigger - 115mm on 65mm external rim...that was measure fresh at 20psi though. so might have lost a few mm on airing down to riding pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    yeah, i get bigger - 115mm on 65mm external rim...that was measure fresh at 20psi though. so might have lost a few mm on airing down to riding pressure.
    Wow, that's huge! I just mounted mine last night. One is brand new and one has a couple of rides on it. They are mounted tubeless on Bontrager Jackalope rims, which are I think 80mm outside width. Knobs and casing measure almost exactly the same width. The new one measures 108mm, and the used one measures 112mm. That is at 25 psi though, which I used to seat them. I expect they will be about 5mm smaller at riding pressure, which should be below 5 psi.

    BTW, the tires were super easy to setup on the Jackalop rims, and they are still at full pressure after sitting overnight with no sealant. This is how all tubeless setups should work!

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    on mine the knobs were wider by a few mm - makes sense as it would be rounder...i expect. and im sure it lost a few mm on airing down just as you say.

    the nextie black eagle 27.5 i used was ok, but not *super* easy to set up. there was no way with a floor pump. i used an airshot and had 2 goes to seat it properly. it then held (im using a vinyl tape for spoke hole coverage) but dropped 10psi overnight. i think mikesee has voiced how amazing the tubeless interface on bonty rims is...i am generally impressed with the tyres too....these for the chumba?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    BTW, the tires were super easy to setup on the Jackalop rims, and they are still at full pressure after sitting overnight with no sealant. This is how all tubeless setups should work!
    Yeah, pretty much any tire mounts lickety split, with just a floor pump, and no drama whatsoever, on the Jackalope and Wampa rims.

    I just installed a set of Barbe's on one set, and some Gnar's on another, and both were taking air on the first pump. Both beads had set (on all 4 tires) by 12psi.

    I measure all 4 at 109mm casing, at 8psi (on a Meiser 0-15 gauge), on Jacka's.

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    hi wondering if a hodag mounted on 45mm or 50mm would fit a stache ? Any feedback out there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquamogal View Post
    hi wondering if a hodag mounted on 45mm or 50mm would fit a stache ? Any feedback out there ?
    Mike says they will fit the magnum fork (tight on the sides IIRC). I doubt it would fit the rear as the fork has more width than the frame. I'd be happy to be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Yeah, pretty much any tire mounts lickety split, with just a floor pump, and no drama whatsoever, on the Jackalope and Wampa rims.

    I just installed a set of Barbe's on one set, and some Gnar's on another, and both were taking air on the first pump. Both beads had set (on all 4 tires) by 12psi.

    I measure all 4 at 109mm casing, at 8psi (on a Meiser 0-15 gauge), on Jacka's.
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    I have been thinking about a 29er + fully rigid trail bike as my do it all ride. Now I discovered 27.5 x 3.8-4. Note that I do not ride in snow.
    I see benefits in building a smaller wheel, being stronger without adding too much weight of reinforced spokes and rims (I weight 220lbs)
    Asking those who tried them, would 27.5x3.8 give me some extra cushion compared to 29+ and less bounce and tire roll as true fat tires?
    I am not a racer, so tire weight is not a concern to me, I am using a 1100gr tire+tube combo right now and it feels ok.
    What would you choose for a one and only fully rigid trail bike, 27.5x3.8 or 29x3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    I have been thinking about a 29er + fully rigid trail bike as my do it all ride. Now I discovered 27.5 x 3.8-4. Note that I do not ride in snow.
    I see benefits in building a smaller wheel, being stronger without adding too much weight of reinforced spokes and rims (I weight 220lbs)
    Asking those who tried them, would 27.5x3.8 give me some extra cushion compared to 29+ and less bounce and tire roll as true fat tires?
    I am not a racer, so tire weight is not a concern to me, I am using a 1100gr tire+tube combo right now and it feels ok.
    What would you choose for a one and only fully rigid trail bike, 27.5x3.8 or 29x3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
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    I am concerned about tire roll at low pressures. Even if a do not ride super low pressures, I hate experimenting tire roll due to my weight when cornering hard. And what about rolling resistance and bounce, wouldn't they be too much with 27.5x4.5?
    I am just asking, sice I know tires evolve day to day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    I am concerned about tire roll at low pressures. Even if a do not ride super low pressures, I hate experimenting tire roll due to my weight when cornering hard. And what about rolling resistance and bounce, wouldn't they be too much with 27.5x4.5?
    I am just asking, sice I know tires evolve day to day.

    i rolled the 27.5 x4.5 Barb's when i had the farley 9.8 full rigid!!! great summer tires rolled great on any surface and at what ever pressure i felt like running. one of my favorite tires for that bike.

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    I like the 3.8 Hodag for dirt, seems less bouncy than the bigger tires and it rolls fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FT251 View Post
    I like the 3.8 Hodag for dirt, seems less bouncy than the bigger tires and it rolls fast.
    Makes sense. 3.8 for dirt 4.5 for snow. But then your changing BB height. Frankly I don't believe in a one bike quiver!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Makes sense. 3.8 for dirt 4.5 for snow. But then your changing BB height. Frankly I don't believe in a one bike quiver!!


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    My wallet likes a 1 bike quiver and 2 sets of wheels. I use the 26x4.7 barbs for snow, BB seems stable. The frame set works fine for me, I just ride for fun.
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    Do you guys think manufacturers will follow suit for more 27.5x4" tires? Thinking about building a set of 27.5x55mm wheels for my fatbike cuz Im thinking it would be enough to run a 4" tire but pull double duty as a 27.5+ with 3" tire for sunmer riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    Do you guys think manufacturers will follow suit for more 27.5x4" tires? Thinking about building a set of 27.5x55mm wheels for my fatbike cuz Im thinking it would be enough to run a 4" tire but pull double duty as a 27.5+ with 3" tire for sunmer riding...
    I think Maxxis or someone else is already in, IIRC. Bontrager is coming out with new tires too.

    I like the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    I think Maxxis or someone else is already in, IIRC. Bontrager is coming out with new tires too.

    I like the format.

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    looking at shox options with Hodag and 50mm (Duroc) rim, i know bluto would work.
    thoughts on pike, yari and fox ? Thanks, not interested in Magnum

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    I was not excited until last week. I had been wanting to try a set of 27.5 Hodags on my 2017 Farley7. Found a used set w/Jackalopes for cheap. Had to knock a couple of flat spots out but the wheels turned out to be NICE. Rode it this past Sunday and now I am excited about the setup! They are fast. They are agile. For the money They Are Awesome! We don't get much snow here so these will be my everyday set of wheels. Stock mulefut w/4.7 Barbi's for snow.
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    looking at shox options with Hodag and 50mm (Duroc) rim, i know bluto would work.
    thoughts on pike, yari and fox ? Thanks, not interested in Magnum
    That combo fits the Fox 34 27.5+ 120-140mm forks well.
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    What do people think is the best all around rim width for 27.5x 4 and 27.5x 3 in summer? 50mm? 65mm? Trying to decide what size rims to build up but I know Im definitely going 27.5 and hopefully we will see a whole boatload more tires in the 4" range available this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I was not excited until last week. I had been wanting to try a set of 27.5 Hodags on my 2017 Farley7. Found a used set w/Jackalopes for cheap. Had to knock a couple of flat spots out but the wheels turned out to be NICE. Rode it this past Sunday and now I am excited about the setup! They are fast. They are agile. For the money They Are Awesome! We don't get much snow here so these will be my everyday set of wheels. Stock mulefut w/4.7 Barbi's for snow.
    What about the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's? Seems like that would be a great winter mixed conditions setup, while the 27.5 x 3.8 Hodags would be better in dry conditions.


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    I was looking at the farley ex 8 yesterday at my LBS and we measured the tires, they were very squishy but i dont know the pressure but 3.8" wide. Never had an issue with my 4"x26" hodags yet, hell i run a 3.8"x26" gnarwhal up front. We maybe get 1 foot of pow accumulation over the winter and our trails are well used by hikers, snow shoers, dog walkers so they get nicely groomed.

    Think im going to pull the trigger on one next year and keep my farley 6 for a extreme cold/ice bike and get a dillinger 4 rear. Ive seen people run 26x4.6" tires on the ex so if i find im not using the 6 and i need more float ill get a 26" wheel set and some d5s or something. Biggest reason i would like the ex is to go 29+ for a summer trail bike... would be sick!
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    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?
    I don't know the exact measurement of the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi but I do know just by looking at them mounted on the 2017 Farley 9.6 (Mulefit 80mm rim) that they are significantly bigger than the 27.5 Hodags. However, I'm finding it very difficult to find a review on the Farley set up with 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!
    To me that looks like it would have advantages in mixed conditions (snow, ice, slop, etc). Longer contact patch, larger wheel for better rollover and better balance on the bike especially for taller riders.

    This thread has several conversations going on at the same time. I understand Mikesee's topic of 27.5 x 3.8(really 3.5) being an improvement or goldilocks for dry conditions full suspension tech riding. Or just dry conditions period. Makes sense. But not necessarily for mixed conditions where a rigid can rule. The question I have and I'm beating the drum...does a 27.5 x 4.5 have advantages over 26 x 4 or even 5 in mixed conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    What about the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's? Seems like that would be a great winter mixed conditions setup, while the 27.5 x 3.8 Hodags would be better in dry conditions.


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    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. A riding buddy just got the Fox 27.5 and it's way better. I'd rather go rigid in mixed conditions though, that's why I'm so interested in the bigger 4.5 Barbegazi.

    3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. 3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.

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    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    The Fox fork will fit the 27.5x3.8 Hodag, but not much bigger. It will most definitely NOT fit the 27.5x4.5 tires.

    My 27.5x4.5 Barbi measures exactly 110mm. That's tubeless at 5 psi on an 80mm Jackalop rim after a couple of rides.

    Cool to hear about another tire coming out, but I'm disappointed that it's going to be the same size as the Hodag. I think something in the 4.0" to 4.2" would be a great addition and fit in more bikes than the 4.5" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.

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    That's looks tight as f. I have read that people are only able to make it fit at 6psi or less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigrob View Post
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.
    Maybe he lucked out and got a smaller moulded one. Doubtful... but a guy at my lbs says he has dual barbs on 27.5 on his F9 with a bluto no issue too.

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-screen-shot-2017-01-07-17.46.47.jpg

    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

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    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
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    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

    both acquired with the help of [email protected]

    both are kind of monstrous. the barbi is MASSIVE....
    Wow - I really like the "normal" 26" version . The 27.5x4.5 version would be great, especially if the change the rubber a bit so it doesn't roll so slow when it is cold..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
    Well good for you. Treks website, gnarwhal reviews, person complains about the gnarwhal 27.5" doesnt fit the ex, trek replies a 27.5"x3.8" is coming soon, contact LBS. Sooo it appears your wrong.
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    Is there any source, overseas, black market, whatever, for a Minion 27.5 x 3.8 FBR.

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    Got the NEXTIES today

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    Anyone have comparisons of tire width for hodag and barbi on 65mm v's 80mm on 27.5 ?

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-img_0102.jpgHodag on 80 MM Jackelope = 3.8 inches, Hodag on 65MM Nextie = 3.7 inches. I measured today. Outside knob to outside knob.
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    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.

    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Thanks for this.
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside width? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alixta View Post
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/27-...979984-16.html

    Downgrade?

    I called it a class B fit. I love the Hodag, and I love the Magnum, but there's nothing to like (for me, where I live and ride) about a fit that tight.

    I run the Hodag in a Fox B+ Boost fork, with loads of clearance. Lots to get excited about with that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.
    That is great news. I have Bluto with D5s now and that has ton of clearance. It sure does not look like it from your photo/angle though. If you happen to have more pics of the bike fork/wheel from different angles I would be very interested to see. Anyway, thanks again for this.

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    Anyone compare the Minion FBF vs Hodag back to back? Got some Minions with some wheels I just bought. The weather hasn't cooperated enough to run them yet. Maxxis says they're for looser conditions. I have primarily straight up hardpack. The Minions feel pretty heavy but I don't have Hodags on hand to compare them to.


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    yep. the Hodag is lighter, more supple, solid tubeless set up, and where I come from, cheaper.

    this is on trail - rock, roots, mud. no experience in snow.

    In saying that, the more robust casing on the FBF allows running at lower pressures - which *may* be useful in snow.

    If i was bombing rocky trails i might also like the more robust sidewalls, but i'm not certain about that.

    In short, the Hodag would be my choice - and i will admit that that surprises me - i tend to choose maxxis over all other tyres - *but* they are both very good tyres. Traction for days, reasonable weights given the size, both seem robust.
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    Thanks for that. Pretty much what I was thinking as well. This would be a total dirt tire. Have a whole different setup for snow, and not many rocks where I live. That said, I apparently own the Minions now, maybe I'll just run those till they're dead...


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    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    ...I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Wider rim for more float and lower rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
    Here are the two Xtremes...(pun intended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    As far as I know nobody makes a 3.8"-4" in a 27.5" size. The Hodag is more like 3.5" or smaller. If I was going to be running Hodags I would go with a 50mm rim. I have a set of Barbegazis on a 50mm rim, which I happened to have because I was running a Trax Fatty 27.5 x 3.25 tire. I would rather have 65mm for the Barbegazis, but the 50mm works fine. I would definitely recommend the Barbegazis if they can fit on your bike.

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    My thinking was the 50 mm rims will allow you to use anywhere from 3" to 4" tires, while 65s would be better only for the larger tires. I really like the B+ for dirt conditions so I'm happy with that choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    45mm internal is good.
    I'm kind of excited. I'm considering a summer wheelset to my Salsa Mukluk X7 (2016) and if I'm not totally mistaken, 27.5x3.8" should fit.

    I've used 4.8" Bud with Marge Lite (its internal diameter has to be <60 mm) so 3.8" should be nice and round on 45 mm rims (and probably 3.5" wide if I've understood correctly).

    Another option would of course be 29+ which would be somewhat lighter and I have a fear that should I choose 27.5 fat it will be more sluggish than good old 26 fat with, say, 4.4" JJ's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    yeah true! :-)~

    It's a real mix of 29+ roll over, but lower pressure and width. I was surprised going to a Hodag front from a chupa how noticeable the rollover is on a 29+. Really like the Hodag though- so this 4.5 has my interest piqued for sure!
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
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    I'm not drjon....
    But I do have 26 Hodags on 65mm rims, 27.5 Hodags on 52mm rims and 29 Chuppas on 35mm rims.
    The Chuppas have great roll over and are about 1lb lighter...and roll a little better than the Hodags.
    The 27.5 Hodags have better rollover than the 26s....and have more cushion than the Chuppas.
    The 27.5 Hodags have become my go to set up.
    This is on a Borealis Echo in rocky/rooty trails

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    hello - id echo the Mayor - the 29+ chupa rolls over trail 'guff' very easily and feels really light. it has reasonable grip but should be seen as a fast/low tread tyre rather than a slamming into corners in muck or rocks tyre. it is incredibly supple but seems durable.

    the hodag 27.5x3.8 should be seen as a 3.5. it is 20mm or so smaller diameter than the chupa. but it rolls well in the rough- probably given its even lower pressure. you can tell its not a 29+ but it will roll over stuff better than a 29x2.4 of which it is a similar diameter. it has grip for days in almost every condition i have tried, its is incredibly durable and at just over 1200 g with a supple sidewall it is a great tyre.

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    the minion fbf 27.5x3.8 is similar dimensionally to the hodag, but has a much more rigid sidewall. i have not really found pros of that though id expect its durable in sharp rock and square edge impacts. i prefer the suppleness of the hodag. it also has grip for days, didnt like steep wet snow (what tyre does) and is heavier >1400g

    in on the left field is the minion 29x3 dhf, which is a true 3" and is quite frankly , preposterous. massive roll over, massive grip and if you want 29+ in chunky terrain or mud (not mud specific, but best there is ime) its your go to.

    HTH, and i've been clear on my thoughts? at presnet im really liking hodag front and ikon 2.8 rear on 45mm internal rims as my general preferred tyre, though minion 29x3 front and tomahawk 29 rear is hot on its heals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
    Thanks!!
    I'm also not dRjOn, but I'll give you my opinion anyway, as I have some experience with the above tires. The Chupacabra is a great all around 29+ tire. It's one of the larger volume 29+ tires (Knard is still the biggest), rolls well, has decent grip, and is pretty light. It's not the fastest or the burliest or the lightest, but it just works for most of my riding. 29+ has great rollover compared to smaller diameter tires, it just motors through rock gardens and such where smaller wheels/tires get hung up. It obviously doesn't have the cush of the fatter setups, but for me, 3-3.25" is my prefered summer tire width.

    I rode the 26x3.8 Hodag for a bit, and then decided to try the 27.5x3.8 Hodag on the same bike. I immediately sold the 26 fat setup! As mentioned, it's more like a 3.5" tire, but it blends (almost) the rollover of 29+ with the width of 26 fat into a great size. This is my preferred winter setup here in southern NY, where we get sporadic snow and I'm riding my normal summer singletrack trails. I've never weighed my wheelsets, but this is obviously heavier than the 29+ setup, and does feel slower, but the extra traction and cush are worth it this time of year. The above tires were ridden on my 2 custom Plus frames.

    I've also put together a full fatbike that I keep in Vermont, and decided to go with 27.5x4.5 Barbegazi setup on that, with Jackalop wheels, which are around 80mm wide I think. It's a great setup, although I've never ridden 26x4.8 or bigger to compare.

    I would also recommend looking into the Duro Crux tires. I have them in both 27.5x3.25 and 29x3.25 sizes. They are big meaty tires with big knobs. The 27.5 ones are my current go to tire on my trail bike for summer. I have not ridden the 29" version yet, but they are big and heavy, around 1200g I think. I have a feeling they will not fit in the back of some 29+ frames. I'm thinking about trying the Crux on the front with Chupacabra rear on my 29+ bike, should be a fun combo!

    I hope that helps! Yes, I'm a tire whore

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    I've had my bucksaw built as a 27.5 for 14 months and had the Hodags for over a year. I just got to ride them in the snow for the first time today and am totally sold on them. I'll admit that I prefer plus most of the time, but after today, I'm sold on them for a winter tire. On tuesday, we got about 10 inches of snow, mixed with sleet. My first snow-ride on the Hodags was tuesday night, riding around my neighborhood in Philadelphia's river wards. The results were mixed. At pressures that were ideal for slush and plowed pavement, the tires had a tendency to ski, the front pushing in the snow and not hooking up; wheel flop was also a problem with the bucksaw's 67 hta. At lower pressures, probably 4-5 psi, traction was excellent, but there was a real risk of wheel strikes off of the snow pack, which was annoying. Granted, these were less than ideal riding conditions. Yesterday, I didn't feel like trekking across town in 25 mph headwinds at 20, so I just rode around the neighborhood, running errands. I was pleasantly reminded how fast the tires were, cruising on paved streets at around 18 mph, keeping pace with traffic; good times.

    I got up this morning and rode across town to the Belmont Plateau to get in a little dan patrol ride before work. Riding across town was a chore, but I was rewarded with ideal singletrack conditions. The dense wet snow had frozen, creating a piste that was akin to slick rock: firm, with days of traction. The Hodags really shine in these conditions and my short little 14 mile ride was a complete blast. I'd been giving though to getting rid of the bucksaw for a dedicated plus bike, but after today, I think I may keep it a little while longer. Hopefully, we'll get snow more than once a year in the coming winter seasons, but I'm not confident on that count. Given the hassle of changing tires, I'll keep the Hodags on until race season and see if I like them on the dirt... I'd just put on a pair of 845g WTB Rangers, that I really like though, I'm not sure if I want to give up the acceleration, but we'll see. As for the tire size, I have no regrets about not building a set of 26 fat wheels and no interest in doing so. If anything, if i wanted a dedicated fat wheel set, I'd probably go with 27.5x65 or 80. 650B is the future of fat for me, I hope other tire makers jump on board; a 27.5x4 Schwalbe Jumbo Jim would be the Bee's Knees.

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    Many thanks to @dRjOn @bikeny @the mayor for answering my question. Really preciate the data you provided to me.
    Big thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Many thanks to @dRjOn @bikeny @the mayor for answering my question. Really preciate the data you provided to me.
    Big thanks!!
    One more bit to help or confuse you.
    And again, it depends on where, what and how you ride.
    Bottom bracket height: compared with the 26 Hodags, the 27.5 Hodags raise the b/b about 5 mm...and the 29+ Chuppas add another 5 to that.
    On the other hand....if you put 27.5 3( like a Fat Trax) inch tires on....it lowers the b/b about 10 mm

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    I have not ridden Hodags, but I have ridden a few fat and plus tires over the years including Minions in 2.5, 3.0, 3.8, and 4.8.

    The Floater was my fav 4" tire before I got the 27.5 x 3.8 Minions, now you can't pry them suckers outta my hands. Bomber construction, sticky on rock, good grip on snow, fast on firm, very predictable.

    The 29+ Minions are not what I expected, perhaps it's because I like my 3.8's, or maybe the 29+ just felt tall in comparison, but after riding both, I missed the 3.8's.

    I think the best part of 27.5 x 4 is the combination of height and width, it negates the need for 26 x 4.

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    I've done a lot of experimenting with tires/wheels on my Farley 5 over the past year+. 27.5x2.8, 29x3, 26x5, and now 27.5x3.8. I really liked the 27.5x2.8 on singletrack but it lowered my bb too much. 29x3 never felt right to me on those same trails, but as mentioned the rollover was great but really had to work that momentum. I think the Stache with the shorter chainstays might have made a difference. Anyway, sold both of those wheelsets.

    26x5 is what I ran in the snow this year and just got a 27.5x65mm wheelset for this summer and maybe winter next year. I'm giving it one more year to decide if riding fat year round is my thing. Seems there are just too many compromises to make it work for me year round. Might just suck it up and buy a dedicated summer bike.

    Thankfully the market where I live is full of used wheels/tires so I've been mostly able to get out everything I've put it when I turn around and sell stuff off.


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    I listed a set with Hodags just now. I love this wheel combo on the fatty in summer, especially in rockier climates! I would love to stay with them, especially with all the tires coming in the new future in 27.5x 3.8. I have to decided to keep my fatty dedicated full fat and build a FS plus bike. May regret it, but experimenting is half the fun!

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    Ok Ive skimmed thru the whole thread and maybe I missed it . Im looking for overall width and diameter of a Minion fbf 27.5x3.8 on a 45mm internal rim . A 50 mulefut.
    Anybody know? Thanks much.

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    *off the top of my head* it is about 93mm wide (knobs) and 747mm diameter on 65mm (external) rim. i can measure if it's critical.
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    Cool that will work thanks. Im putting the 3.8 Minion on the Jones with a 2.8 rekon on back and was concerned about toe overlap.

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    i have a jones with a hodag on 45mm internal rim front (ti, truss fork) and ikon 2.8 on the rear (45mm internal) and it fits and works great.
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    That's great to here. Ive been running it with a 27.5 dirt wizard in back and a 4.0 nate on a 80mm rim in front. I think this setup should be a lot of fun and maybe a bit faster.

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    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?
    Somewhere in this forum (I think in this thread) Mikesee wrote that he had experimented with multiple rim widths and settled on 50 mm as ideal for 3.8" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Somewhere in this forum (I think in this thread) Mikesee wrote that he had experimented with multiple rim widths and settled on 50 mm as ideal for 3.8" tires.

    That's true. But it's also worth mentioning that, in the context of 27.5" tires, the 3 currently available that are labeled 3.8" or 4" actually measure closer to 3.5".

    If you had an actual 4" tire in hand you'd probably want a bit wider rim.

    I've got 65mm wide rims for my 27.5 x 4.5" tires. No bueno for snow, great in washes, arroyos, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?
    As mikesee says, there aren't any actual 4" tires for 27.5. I have a set of 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi and really like them. They are on 50mm rims since that is what I had for running 27.5 x 3.25 tires and I feel that those are a little too narrow. They work okay but the tires are a little too rounded off and the cornering knobs aren't fully in play. If I was looking for dirt rims for Barbegazi I would go with 65mm. I personally use the flotation on occasion and would like 80mm rims and I don't think they would have any problem in the dirt as there is a lot of tire out there to protect the rim.

    I have a 2014 Mukluk Ti and I don't have any clearance problems. I don't think I would have any with 80mm rims either. I do have a 1x11 drivetrain though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welnic View Post
    As mikesee says, there aren't any actual 4" tires for 27.5. I have a set of 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi and really like them. They are on 50mm rims since that is what I had for running 27.5 x 3.25 tires and I feel that those are a little too narrow. They work okay but the tires are a little too rounded off and the cornering knobs aren't fully in play. If I was looking for dirt rims for Barbegazi I would go with 65mm. I personally use the flotation on occasion and would like 80mm rims and I don't think they would have any problem in the dirt as there is a lot of tire out there to protect the rim.

    I have a 2014 Mukluk Ti and I don't have any clearance problems. I don't think I would have any with 80mm rims either. I do have a 1x11 drivetrain though.
    What are the tire measurements, i.e. width & Diameter?

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    Has anyone mounted a 3.8 Hodag on an i40 rim? Curious what sort of overall width would be to see if they would fit in my custom fork. Running DT Swiss XM551's.

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    Mukluks take the 26 4.7 Barbagazi on 80mm rims without any real issue. 1x10 with aeffect crank and 11-42. Get a little chain rub on granny ring at pavement pressures when frame flexes under my 275lbs. Don't even anything besides 1x though lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    What are the tire measurements, i.e. width & Diameter?
    27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi on 50mm (external) Nextie rims. Air pressure around 10 psi. 99mm at the carcass, 104mm on the knobs. Around 765mm in height, which was just a casual eyeball job. They are mounted tubeless and have been on there around a year.

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    bumping this.

    I just sold my Farley 7 that had 80 mm Mulefut's with 26 x 4.7 Barbegazi's.

    I'm looking at getting a 2017 or 2018 Farley 9.6 that has the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's.

    For winter/snow use.....has anyone compared those 2 directly?

    Just wondering what (if anything) i will lose for winter riding

    I run 29 x 3 Chupacabra's on 35 mm internal carbon rims for summer.

    I had a Bluto this year for summer use and while I preferred it to rigid, i didn't love it overall. I never did try it in winter mode although I had a Bluto on my previous Mayor as well.

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    Get a Mastodon, no reason to buy Blutos any more. May need an EXT for the taller Barbe...

    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    bumping this.

    I just sold my Farley 7 that had 80 mm Mulefut's with 26 x 4.7 Barbegazi's.

    I'm looking at getting a 2017 or 2018 Farley 9.6 that has the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's.

    For winter/snow use.....has anyone compared those 2 directly?

    Just wondering what (if anything) i will lose for winter riding

    I run 29 x 3 Chupacabra's on 35 mm internal carbon rims for summer.

    I had a Bluto this year for summer use and while I preferred it to rigid, i didn't love it overall. I never did try it in winter mode although I had a Bluto on my previous Mayor as well.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Get a Mastodon, no reason to buy Blutos any more. May need an EXT for the taller Barbe...
    I will if i decide I need suspension. Not sure i want to add that much weight to the front of a hardtail though.

    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.
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    It's a tall tire, so maybe a high BB is a good thing in snow. It's a more comparable height tire to your Chupa. Make sure the rim width is sufficent to spread the tire out, 80mm.

    If my Fatillac won't take a 4.8 Minion, I'll probably ditch the 26" and move that direction for my Wozo; it suffers from low BB pedal induced strikes...

    There is some question whether the 2017 clears a Mastodon, check on it as that may be the change from 2017 to 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    I will if i decide I need suspension.

    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.

    Depends on which -- you have Barbegazi and Gnarwhal to choose from right now.

    Barbe is good -- fast -- on packed snow and especially if that snow has moisture. Like in the eastern ~half of North America.

    Gnarwhal is awesome, aggressive, with big meaty knobs that can be studded. I don't have a ton of back-to-back time on them, but I think the B Fat Gnarwhal on an appropriate rim can be just as effective as Bud/Lou in western (light, dry, not well packed) snow. It really digs in and finds traction.

    With only these two B Fat tires, any 26" tire smaller than 5.25" is dead to me for snow. And if a 4.8" or bigger B Fat tire comes out, all 26" tires will be dead to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Depends on which -- you have Barbegazi and Gnarwhal to choose from right now.

    Barbe is good -- fast -- on packed snow and especially if that snow has moisture. Like in the eastern ~half of North America.

    Gnarwhal is awesome, aggressive, with big meaty knobs that can be studded. I don't have a ton of back-to-back time on them, but I think the B Fat Gnarwhal on an appropriate rim can be just as effective as Bud/Lou in western (light, dry, not well packed) snow. It really digs in and finds traction.

    With only these two B Fat tires, any 26" tire smaller than 5.25" is dead to me for snow. And if a 4.8" or bigger B Fat tire comes out, all 26" tires will be dead to me.
    thanks Mike!

    What are the weights of the Barbegazi vs Gnarwhal in 27.5 X 4.5 guys?

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    I found the weight of the un-studded Gnarwhal at 1510 grams.

    The Barbegazi is 1240 grams per the Trek site
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    What are the weights of the Barbegazi vs Gnarwhal in 27.5 X 4.5 guys?

    Tee hee.

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    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.
    I rode a Bud/Nate combo for two years, last year I picked up a Farley 9.6, love the bike, but the Barbegazi up front in fresh snow, is pretty bad, compared to my Bud on my other bike, the Barbe washes out real easy, I dont have any experience with the Gnarwhal. As mike said they are good in hard pack, and its a decent rear tire in fresh snow. Im not sure what Im going to run next winter, but I have no confidents with the Barbed up front, in fresh snow 3 to 5, I live in Michigan, so we probably have similar conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
    I rode a Bud/Nate combo for two years, last year I picked up a Farley 9.6, love the bike, but the Barbegazi up front in fresh snow, is pretty bad, compared to my Bud on my other bike, the Barbe washes out real easy, I dont have any experience with the Gnarwhal. As mike said they are good in hard pack, and its a decent rear tire in fresh snow. Im not sure what Im going to run next winter, but I have no confidents with the Barbed up front, in fresh snow 3 to 5, I live in Michigan, so we probably have similar conditions.
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    Gnarwhal is the answer. Ordering a 9.6 and going to run studde gnar f and barb r
    Youll love the bike, Im not sure that the Gnarwhal is the answer How does the Gnarwhal compare to Bud 26 rims could be the answer, or maybe just a 26 up front.

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    local fast guy ran unstudded gnarwhals on his farley 9.6 last winter, and he loved them. AFAIK, he will be doing the same this winter season.

    i just joined the B fat club. Well, my wallet did. I hope to take delivery of some B fat goodness in a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
    Youll love the bike, Im not sure that the Gnarwhal is the answer How does the Gnarwhal compare to Bud 26 rims could be the answer, or maybe just a 26 up front.

    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.

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    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.
    That's good news, were you running those fore and aft.

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    Mike, what rims are you using for the 27.5 Gnarwhal? I am still trying to decide what wheel setup I want for my Ice Cream Truck build...Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.

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    95% of the time I'm building Jackalope or Wampa. The other 5% I use HED or Nextie or some other chibon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ....or some other chibon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    95% of the time I'm building Jackalope or Wampa. The other 5% I use HED or Nextie or some other chibon.
    Mike,

    Contemplating some big and tall wheelwere for the Wozo, some Gnarwall 27.5 x 4.5 on Jackalopes. Do you have width and diameter measurements for that set up?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Gnarwhal is the answer. Ordering a 9.6 and going to run studde gnar f and barb r
    I'm going the same route...placing my order this week for the 9.6. I'd like to run the Gnarwhal F&R though

    Now i wonder if the LBS will swap the Barbegazi for the Gnarwhal. I only need the stock setup for winter use as I have 29+ setup for the rest of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mike,

    Contemplating some big and tall wheelwere for the Wozo, some Gnarwall 27.5 x 4.5 on Jackalopes. Do you have width and diameter measurements for that set up?

    Thanks!

    Here's what I wrote down back in January:

    27.5 x 3.8" = 29.4" tall. Hodag, Minion.
    27.5 x 4.5" = 30.25 to 30.5" tall, depending on rim/tire combo. Barbe, Gnar.
    26 x 4" = 28.75" tall. I think I measured a Van Helga on an 80mm rim.
    26 x 4.8" = 29.75" tall. Bud/Lou.
    29 x 3.0" = 30.1" tall. Chupa, DHF.

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    Anyone tried a 27.5 x 4.5 (Gnarwhal) in a Surly ICT? With the correct MDS chip the 2XL on 100 mm rim fit quite well, but this combo could be even higher.
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    Looking at 27.5 x 4.5 Gnarwhal's on 80mm Jackalope's for my '15 Fatboy. Anybody try this setup. I'm thinking front will be fine, bit worried about the rear. I'm running a 2x10, may have to lose the front derailleur and go 1x10 for clearance.

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    I've been running Hodags on 650B x 50 mm rims all spring and summer and have been surprisingly pleased with them. I ran 3.0 Dirt Wizards last summer and loved them. The Hodags have a very round profile while the DWs are much more squareish on the same rims.

    One area where I find the Hodags sketchy is on wet rock. I had my highest pucker factor ever on some wet glacial polish while my friend on 2.6s was laughing his way thru it. I'm thinking the relatively low contact pressure causes super slippery low friction conditions where a narrower tire and higher contact pressure is more solid. Anyone else experience this? Definitely not my imagination as I had lots of lack of traction issues on rock on this particular wet day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    One area where I find the Hodags sketchy is on wet rock.

    I don't disagree with you, but in back to back comparisons I've found the B Fat DHF and DHR to be a solid level *worse* on wet rock than the Hodag. Not sure where to point the finger (compound? lack of siping?) but when running same pressures, same bike, same rims, the Minions let go much sooner. Hit the deck at ~15mph a few weeks ago, mid-conversation, on a wet slabby section of trail that didn't warrant mentioning, other than that I spilled some blood there.
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    Yeah, they're slippery. I stick much better with the Purgatory Grid, but of course those are "skinny tires".

    That said, I found the 3C Minion 2.8 were kinda slickery as well, so maybe it's a Maxxis thing?

    I'd like to have a 3.8 that sticks better, might try a Hodag next or ??

    [QUOTE=mikesee;13343850]I don't disagree with you, but in back to back comparisons I've found the B Fat DHF and DHR to be a solid level *worse* on wet rock than the Hodag. Not sure where to point the finger (compound? lack of siping?) but when running same pressures, same bike, same rims, the Minions let go much sooner. Hit the deck at ~15mph a few weeks ago, mid

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    I run 26 x 3.8 Hodags on 65mm carbon wheels and think they work really well in all conditions. Rocks, roots, wet, dry don't matter they just seem to work in SW. Pa.

    I run them 8-9 months until stud season.

    I know it's not 27.5 but just saying...

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    Getting back to the OP's question, I was not excited at all at the prospect of 27.5 fat... ..

    I was happy with my 26" Minions, JJs, and various Surly offerings.

    Then saw a Trek Farley EX8 on ebay. It was a good price and near to where I live.

    No-one else bid so I bought it.

    It was set up tubeless with Mulefuts and Hodags.

    What can I say other than Wow!

    As a trail bike it has become my go-to bike.

    It feels quicker than my other Fat Bikes and rolls so well.

    I'm a convert I have to say.

    Cheers,

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