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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    i can get a measurement in a few hours. what is the best way to do this?

    i have VH, hodag, fbf, and fbr here all mounted on 50's.
    I always put a carpenter’s framing level across the center of the tire and measure floor to the bottom of the level. You also can use a ruler or such against a wall and eyeball it level, then measure with tape or yard stick.
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    okie, done. i did my best to level and square the wheels to the floor. all of them measured in the same spot. all tires mounted on 27.5x50mm rims. various inflation pressures from 10 to 13 psi.

    VanHelga was 30 3/8"

    every other 27.5x3.8 i have (FBF, FBR, Hodag, Cakeeater & Gnarwhal) measured 29 1/2" , give or take.

    so, 27.5 vanhelga is *almost* and inch taller...

    i measured the FBR on the rear of my fatillac, and on the top arch (the smallest clearance area measured) i have exactly 1/2" of clearance. SO the VH will probably hit....

    *sorry, no pics. i did not have 3 hands, otherwise i would have taken pics... *

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    Yep, the VanHelga isn't fitting in this fork!!
    I had a feeling it might be bigger, that's the only reason I hadn't ordered one. Now I need to decide how badly I want a VanHelga for the front.

    My Hodag measures exactly 29.5 as well.
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    The VH fits in the Fox 34 on 65mm external rims.


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    Maybe the Van Helga might actually be a 4.0" tire on 80mm rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    The VH fits in the Fox 34 on 65mm external rims.
    i would think it would be too tall for a Fox 34... must be no mud clearance, correct? you are definitely referring to the 27.5x3.8 VH? you have a pic?

    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Maybe the Van Helga might actually be a 4.0" tire on 80mm rims?
    doubt it, width is the same as every other 27.5x3.8~4 tire. 3.6xx" on a 50mm rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    i would think it would be too tall for a Fox 34... must be no mud clearance, correct? you are definitely referring to the 27.5x3.8 VH? you have a pic?



    doubt it, width is the same as every other 27.5x3.8~4 tire. 3.6xx" on a 50mm rim.
    Yes I’m referring to the 27.5 x 4.0 VH on the Fox 34. Mounted to a 65mm Nextie rim there’s more than 1/4” to the arch. Would be tighter with a 50mm rim. Rode today in plenty of mud without issue.
    On the 65mm rim, I get 3.65” wide at 9psi.

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    ok, cool!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    On the 65mm rim, I get 3.65” wide at 9psi.
    the nexties have slightly less ID than the mulefut 65's. i was able to squeak 3.7x" out of the 27.5x3.8's vs my nexties.

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    Need some advice for a well rolling studded tire for Farley with 27.5" Jackalope rims.

    Last winter I had a studded Gnarwhal in rear but found it very slow rolling as compared to Hodag. There is a place for Gnarwhal but it is absolutely not for me. Since Farley is my one and only bike, I use it also to ride to work every day, throughout the year. Partially trails, partially pavement covered with ice. And now that our company moved, my everyday trip to work is longer than before. So Gnarwhal is very much out of the question.

    Hodag is the best tyre I have experienced so far, very low rolling resistance. Seasons outside winter snow conditions, those are my 1st choice. I am extremely happy with them. I also have Minion FBFs and have a self made studded version of it in front and plan to continue with that but only in front.

    So I have basically two studded options for winter (as a rear tire): Terrene Cake Eater 27.5x4 or Dillinger 4 (also 27.5"). Both are available here in Finland. Comparing these two, which one has lower rolling resistance? Both are very expensive so would like to hear your opinion before buying one.

    I am not riding deep snow but find myself very often also in trails with varying snow conditions. But, the rolling resistance is now the most important. If I could get close to rolling resistance of Hodag, that would be great .

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebster View Post
    Need some advice for a well rolling studded tire for Farley with 27.5" Jackalope rims.

    So I have basically two studded options for winter (as a rear tire): Terrene Cake Eater 27.5x4 or Dillinger 4 (also 27.5"). Both are available here in Finland. Comparing these two, which one has lower rolling resistance? Both are very expensive so would like to hear your opinion before buying one.
    given those two options, I would recommend the Dillinger 4. The Dillinger is the best all round tire, you cannot go wrong with them.

    I cannot recommend the Cake Eater, specifically the 27.5x4, as the tire is just a piece of garbage. I had three of them, and all the same issues (poor bead retention and growing under pressure). Maybe i got early production runs, but i could not recommend the Cake Eater especially compared to a proven winter performer like the Dillinger.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    given those two options, I would recommend the Dillinger 4. The Dillinger is the best all round tire, you cannot go wrong with them.

    I cannot recommend the Cake Eater, specifically the 27.5x4, as the tire is just a piece of garbage. I had three of them, and all the same issues (poor bead retention and growing under pressure). Maybe i got early production runs, but i could not recommend the Cake Eater especially compared to a proven winter performer like the Dillinger.

    Good luck!
    Thank you very much Rodney for your sharing your experience

    Will get the Dillinger 4, I dont want to get into same trouble as you with the Cake Eater. Safe and good, that is what I value.

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    Just to provide another data point - I ran a Caker Eater studded on the rear of my bike last year and had no trouble with bead retention or burping even at sidewall wrinkling pressures (Jackalope 80mm rim).

    After the snow left I picked up a Gnarwhal 3.8 for this coming winter but only because I wanted more drive traction.

    I de-studded the Cake Eater and moved it to a 50mm rim with pressures from 7-10psi for spring riding and after spending most of the summer on 29x3 wheels, the Cake Eaters and 50mm rims are back on the bike now.

    I haven't run the Dillingers so can't compare them, but I wouldn't hesitate to run the Cake Eaters in winter again if I wanted less rolling resistance than the Gnarwal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Just to provide another data point...

    ...I wouldn't hesitate to run the Cake Eaters in winter again if I wanted less rolling resistance than the Gnarwal.

    Agreed completely. I love the Gnar's but sometimes you need a faster rolling tire. CE's are great tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Just to provide another data point - I ran a Caker Eater studded on the rear of my bike last year and had no trouble with bead retention or burping
    when i got mine, a year ago, i posted up my issues. others reported the same thing. most likely they had issues with the early production runs.

    the lackluster, no care attitude from Terrene is what soured my opinion of the brand. I had them on nexties, scrapers, and a few different width mulefuts, all with the same end result. They blamed the mulefuts, saying they were not in tolerance and were known to have issues blah blah.... I then contacted the local Terrene rep, met with him and brought a bunch of wheels with me. I showed him first hand the issues, and he gave me a contact at Terrene. Never got a response despite multiple attempts. so, imho, Terrene is a sh!t company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    I then contacted the local Terrene rep, met with him and brought a bunch of wheels with me. I showed him first hand the issues, and he gave me a contact at Terrene. Never got a response despite multiple attempts. so, imho, Terrene is a sh!t company.
    This blows my mind...you met with a Terrene Rep...and then he gave you a contact at Terrene. The rep should've been all over your issue and handled everything him/herself. That IS poor customer service.

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    I was planning on putting 27.5 x 3.8 gnarwals on this bike, but couldn't find any in stock at the time. 45N came through with the wonder Vanhelga's. These are set up toobless with stans on mulefute 65's. I might be looking into some carbon 80mm rims in the future for a second wheelset.

    Copying this over from the Suzi Q thread

    Did a 10 mile test ride tonight with the vanhelga's. Maybe an inch of snow on a kinda frozen ground. Wish I ran more pressure tonight as I felt slow. Keep in mind the trail/ground is soft also. Everything works as advertised. The tires are taller than the minion fbf so you tend to run a gear higher on the cassette. Traction is excellent and am looking forward to a decent snowfall now. I will put another 15-20 miles on tomorrow in some colder weather and report back.

    I started 10psi front 15 psi rear at 70f inside. Temp was 21f while riding. My guess is they dropped 3-5 psi in the cold. Not as much volume as the 26x4.7s I am use to running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    I was planning on putting 27.5 x 3.8 gnarwals on this bike, but couldn't find any in stock at the time.

    Dohp. I've had them in stock continuously since last winter...

    New VH's look very good indeed, but their lack of stud pockets will keep Gnarwhals on my bike all winter.

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    What’s the fattest 27.5 rim? Largest advertised width I’m finding is Nextie at 85mm, they don’t specify if that’s internal or external.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    What’s the fattest 27.5 rim? Largest advertised width I’m finding is Nextie at 85mm, they don’t specify if that’s internal or external.
    The new Enve rims are the widest at 94mm external 85mm internal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKCheesehead View Post
    The new Enve rims are the widest at 94mm external 85mm internal..
    they also require the widest wallet to purchase too... :P

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    Between the 27.5 hodag and the 27.5 vanhelga what is a better overall summer tire?

    Any appreciable difference between the 60 tpi vs 120 in the vanhelga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaker View Post
    Between the 27.5 hodag and the 27.5 vanhelga what is a better overall summer tire?

    Any appreciable difference between the 60 tpi vs 120 in the vanhelga?
    hodag would be better rolling and it has a thinner sidewall than the VH. Personally, i get a flat every ride with a hodag, so it is VH for me. you have to make sure you have clearace for the VH, as it is almost an inch taller then every other 27.5x3.8/4 out there.

    regarding the 60 vs 120 tpi, i have not had the 60 in my possession, so i cannot comment accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaker View Post
    Between the 27.5 hodag and the 27.5 vanhelga what is a better overall summer tire?

    Any appreciable difference between the 60 tpi vs 120 in the vanhelga?
    Terrain dependent, but for western NC..... Hodag all day long. Then I'd throw the VH on when the leaves start falling (if you have a fork it would fit in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    hodag would be better rolling and it has a thinner sidewall than the VH. Personally, i get a flat every ride with a hodag

    JRA on crushed limestone rail trail, right?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    JRA on crushed limestone rail trail, right?!
    no, i usually ride on down feathers...

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    Hodag on toothy rocky trails is a liability for me too, seems like a smooth, snow or sand tire IMO.

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    Just a heads up. Modern Bike has a sale going on 45NRTH tires. Just placed an order for some D4’s 60 tpi studded in 27.5x4 for $128 a tire. The 120 tpi are going for $168 a tire.
    Going to run these on 80mm Jackalope’s on my Fatboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    Yes I’m referring to the 27.5 x 4.0 VH on the Fox 34. Mounted to a 65mm Nextie rim there’s more than 1/4” to the arch. Would be tighter with a 50mm rim. Rode today in plenty of mud without issue.
    On the 65mm rim, I get 3.65” wide at 9psi.
    This is good news! Should clear the crown at full compression also. Will need to order one for my factory 34 and my factory 36. Thanks for the pic!

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    Comments/reviews on 27.5 VanHelga vs. FBF etc.? Sounds like it's about the same width as all the other 3.8's. The 26x4 VanHelga is a great tire so interested to hear how the 27.5 version performs.

    Currently running FBF 27.5x3.8 on 50mm rim with Fox 34 27.5 Boost Plus fork. Want a little more float in the front but from the numbers all the wider (4.5-ish) options are too tall.

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    Here is a limited review for the Vanhelga vs FBF:

    - Suzi q -70 on 65mm mulefuts. Tubeless both sets of tires.

    The FBF is a decent tire for dirt, though the ride is a bit harsh on a carbon bike. The sidewall is much firmer that the 45N tire. I have no real complaints about the tire for 3 season use and will be going back on the bike in the spring. It is a solid tire for general use.

    The Vanhelga 120 TPI tire feels great so far on the lightly snow covered river bottoms. The sidewalls flex nicely and soaks the small bumps with ease. The width of the tire on 65's is the same as the FBF's ~3.65" at the widest. The thing to note w/ the VH is the tire is much taller that the FBF. This slows down acceleration of the wheel and does not feel as lively. It also has a nice round profile on a 65mm rim.

    I will be using the Vanhelgas for a snow tire for the next 4-5 months here in MN for hard pack to loose trails when wanting to go a little faster. Trail blazing will be with the 2xl tires on a Mayor. And general fatbike fun will be on a 9:zero:7 w/ babagazis.


    Quote Originally Posted by PCT View Post
    Comments/reviews on 27.5 VanHelga vs. FBF etc.? Sounds like it's about the same width as all the other 3.8's. The 26x4 VanHelga is a great tire so interested to hear how the 27.5 version performs.

    Currently running FBF 27.5x3.8 on 50mm rim with Fox 34 27.5 Boost Plus fork. Want a little more float in the front but from the numbers all the wider (4.5-ish) options are too tall.

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    Getting some 27.5 wheels for my ice cream truck today. Comes with 4.5 barbegazi which I'm psyched to try, but will probably want a second set of studded. I ran 26 wrathchild all last winter.

    Any thoughts on cake eater 4.0 vs dillinger 4.0 vs cake eater 4.5? I like the idea of ce 27.5 x 4.5 "just because I can", I know it's monstrous but I generally like tall wheels and love 29+ on this bike. They're a bit taller yet than my chupacabra 29x3, so I hear.

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    Looks like the new 27.5 Lithic rim is now available.

    https://otsocycles.com/collections/l...minum-fat-rims

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    Has anyone measured the Cake Eater 27.5 x 4.00 mounted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Looks like the new 27.5 Lithic rim is now available.

    https://otsocycles.com/collections/l...minum-fat-rims
    THANK YOU!

    I've been waiting and watching this thread since the first mention of 27 fat, for an alloy 65mm-ish rim. (That a manufacturer will actually sell to customers, that is.) Kind of wierd how Trek chose to initiate this whole thing in a cart-before-horse manner, but no matter now. Looking forwsrd to hearing some reviews, but i probably need to jump in anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    Has anyone measured the Cake Eater 27.5 x 4.00 mounted?
    yeah a year ago... same width as all the other 27.6x3.8 (3.6" on a 50, 3.7" on a 65) and same OD (29.5") as the others, save for the most recent odd ducks from 45nrth (dillinger 4 and vanhelga).

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Looks like the new 27.5 Lithic rim is now available.

    https://otsocycles.com/collections/l...minum-fat-rims
    sweet! i want! but i cannot think of a reason of why i need them, but i still want em...

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    So are all the 3.8/4.0 tires coming in at 3.6-3.7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    So are all the 3.8/4.0 tires coming in at 3.6-3.7?
    The Vee Crown Gem comes up a little narrow for a 3.8. I will put a caliper on it tomorrow. I currently have them on Mulefut 80mm rims. I have VanHelgas and Barbagazi sitting here that I will try on that rim. I also have a new set of wheels being built that will have the Light Bicycle 75mm carbon rims. Once those are done I will ride going forward.

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    So can someone recap the width of all of the current 27.5x3.8/4.0 tires? Sounds like all of the new tires are around the same width as the original Hodag, with the Van Helga being a good bit taller?

    I've been very happy with my Hodags, but I wouldn't mind something a bit wider.

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    Sorry if this has been answered but does anyone know the weight of the new 27.5 Dillinger 4? either studded or un-studded.

    thank you.

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    I got 1380g and 1390g for mine - unstudded. Went through half dozen or so to get those. They were all fairly close, couple were a bit higher. Sort of a let-down as my CE's were 1335g average and I hoped these would be under that.

    Have not mounted or studded them yet - waiting for a bit more user feedback.

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    Does anyone know of a tire that's a little smaller than the crop of 27.5x3.8 tires, that will fit in the new Lyrik RC2/Yari fork? I think height-wise they're fine but a little too wide. Need something closer to 85-87mm I'm thinking. Will be running a Duro Crux 27.5x3.25 on the rear and wanted something a little bigger up front. Was also considering just running the Crux up front and a Vee Trax Fatty 27.5x3.25 on the rear, if I can't find something bigger that will fit up front. Front rim will be a Mulefut 50 and rear a Scraper i45. This is my first time dealing with fat tires and snow riding. I realize this combo is not ideal for snow but didn't want to go the full fat bike route, just want to swap in a different wheelset for winter.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    So can someone recap the width of all of the current 27.5x3.8/4.0 tires? Sounds like all of the new tires are around the same width as the original Hodag, with the Van Helga being a good bit taller?

    I've been very happy with my Hodags, but I wouldn't mind something a bit wider.
    sorry, all the 27.5x3.8/4 tires are the same width. as mentioned earlier, the 45nrth variants are taller, but essentially the same width as every other one. the only step up is going to be the 4.5 barbie, gnarwhal etc.

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    Cole House (a fatbike racer from Green Bay) doesnt like 27.5”

    Hes says 27.5 is close to a lb more per set than 26”...

    dillinger 5 is 1518g studless
    Dillinger 4 1275g studless
    Dillinger 4 27.5” 1390g studless
    Wrathchilds are close to d5s

    Plus 60g for studs

    So the 4 27.5 is lighter than a 5....

    For sure its heavier than 4”x26 but it would for sure be.

    His other complaint is the short sidewalls are hinder the ability to ride low pressure for on snow.

    I ride 27.5x4.5”

    Ive loved every aspect of it. My 4.5” tires float well, roll fast, there is next to no self steer vs 26”

    For sure there can be a weight penalty. But not really.

    My 4.5 gnarwhals are 1525g studless

    barbergazis are 1240g

    So other than my wheels are a bit heavier really... 3.8 and 4.5 27.5 is lighter than or comparable to 26x4.6”

    The one argument is tho on the side walls of 27.5x3.8”

    26x3.8 thats closer to 4 for sure is lighter and would have larger sidewalls for lower pressure and float on snow.

    27.5x3.8 is measuring 3.5-3.7 and has short stiff side walls. It feels fast... like a mtb tire.

    Havent road 27.5x3.8 but i just got some and im pumped to try them out, going to be my summer set anyways



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    I've ridden 26 barbs beists and wrathchilds. 27.5 barbs, gnars and I just gave up the gnars for some D4s that should be here by the end of the week.

    The studded 4.5 gnars are a great tire but my region just doesnt get the snow it used too. I I definetly could of kept riding them but find myself on more groomed or hardpack ice conditions that dont require the big paddle lugs of the gnars. I definitely dont need the float %99 percent of the time at 165 lbs.

    The gnars allowed me to pull away hard from my buddies on barbs that are crashing in all conditions. Would I want to race against some one on barbs in an all flat long distance event? No. They definetly take more work to turn but if you're okay with that they're like velcro.

    Hoping the studded D4s provide the momentum and less braking effect that I miss when riding 4.5 barbs. The 4.5 gnars lost momentum in our pitchy single track soo fast it's like you're dragging an anchor.

    I ride the exact trails as solarplex

    Ride report soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saskrider View Post
    Hoping the studded D4s provide the momentum and less braking effect that I miss when riding 4.5 barbs. The 4.5 gnars lost momentum in our pitchy single track soo fast it's like you're dragging an anchor.

    Ride report soon
    Yep, wish I hadn’t invested in studded gnars last winter now that the 27.5 D4s are out...

    Like you I don’t need the float most of the time here in MN but have plenty of ice the past few years


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    I had the chance to ride a Farley the other day with 27.5 x 4.7 tires on it.

    There was zero excitement generated vs. my 26 x 4.6 tires.

    Not sure what all the hub bub is about regarding 27.5 Fat.

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    As some one who rides a 29er xc race bike all summer coming off 27.5 I could never go back. 27.5 just feels like a children's bike compared to a 29er. Same went for going 26" to 27.4 fat bike. Could never go back the 26 it just feels horrible after spending extended periods on a 27.5 bike. It's not about what other people say its about how it feels for you. 27.5 trail/xc and 26 fat is dead to me.

    If you're a smaller guy it probabaly wont feel right.

    Sold my 27.5 studded 4.5gnars for concave studded D4s. 1st test ride tonight on 2" of fresh fluff on packed groomed singletrack and they were just as fast as 4.5 barbs with zero braking effect. I do not miss the 4.5 gnarwhals in the conditions I ride.


    Just sold my 4.5 Barbs to get some 3.8 hodags for the summer. Looking forward to testing them out.
    Last edited by Saskrider; 6 Days Ago at 06:14 PM.

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