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    27.5X4 Who's excited? Who's not?

    Looking to do a second wheel set for my farley 9.6. I have gnarwhals on the stock wheels with a dt rear hub. Was thinking of going 65mm with the stock barbs for a summer wheel and i could use them for a couple races if the conditions dont need the gnarwhals. They are light, roll fast, the 65mm rim would round them more in the summer and lessen the self steer.... just not sure on nexties or trying to source some 65mm mulefats. Im thinking you have to buy full wheels from rocky.
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    I gave up on trying to get 27.5x65mm rims and went with 80mm winter wheels and 50mm summer wheels with 3.8-4s. Rodney's thoughts on 65mm rims makes me think this is the right choice for where I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    I gave up on trying to get 27.5x65mm rims and went with 80mm winter wheels and 50mm summer wheels with 3.8-4s. Rodney's thoughts on 65mm rims makes me think this is the right choice for where I ride.
    If i was to go 50mm rims i would just go 29+ and ditch fat for summer all together. I kind of want a half way for winter speed and summer fat. My summer bike is a top fuel so this wouldnt be my main summer bike.
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    Ive decided im going to go with some 80mm carbons. Was riding yesterday and the gnarwhals are quite the chore on groomed double track, would be nice to switch from the gnarwhals for pow and ice to the barbs for groomed and races. Ill get more use out of them than i thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    If i was to go 50mm rims i would just go 29+ and ditch fat for summer all together.
    i am not a 29+ fan. IMHO, for where i ride, 27.5x4 works better than 29x3, even w/ both on 50mm rims. YMMV.

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    4.5" Barbes are not going to be all that different from a 4.5 Gnar, same casing dontcha know, so you might get a slightly faster rolling tire, but not a tire thay is much good for anything other than soft surfaces. I got a set of Barbes on Jackalopes now, trust me, they are not all around tires.

    What Rodney is saying is that the 50mm rims would be for B Fat, which is ~ the ideal rim width for a 3.5" tire.

    Half way between your Top Fuel and 4.5 tires is B Fat.

    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    If i was to go 50mm rims i would just go 29+ and ditch fat for summer all together. I kind of want a half way for winter speed and summer fat. My summer bike is a top fuel so this wouldnt be my main summer bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Looking to do a second wheel set for my farley 9.6. I have gnarwhals on the stock wheels with a dt rear hub. Was thinking of going 65mm with the stock barbs for a summer wheel and i could use them for a couple races if the conditions dont need the gnarwhals. They are light, roll fast, the 65mm rim would round them more in the summer and lessen the self steer.... just not sure on nexties or trying to source some 65mm mulefats. Im thinking you have to buy full wheels from rocky.
    I have a set of 27.5+ WTB Scraper rims wheels on my Farley and love them. I am also running the 3.5 Fat B Nimble and to be honest they are really only 3" wide at best. But man are they a fast fun combo.

    My buddy also has the same combo on his Farley and loves the 27.5+ just as much as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    4.5" Barbes are not going to be all that different from a 4.5 Gnar, same casing dontcha know, so you might get a slightly faster rolling tire, but not a tire thay is much good for anything other than soft surfaces. I got a set of Barbes on Jackalopes now, trust me, they are not all around tires.

    What Rodney is saying is that the 50mm rims would be for B Fat, which is ~ the ideal rim width for a 3.5" tire.

    Half way between your Top Fuel and 4.5 tires is B Fat.
    I have to disagree with you Ben. I think a set of Barbis on 65mm rims would be a great setup for packed snow riding/racing, as well as for non snow riding. The Barbis are the same weight or lighter than all of the 27.5x3.8 options and roll great, and stll allow silly low pressures when needed. They would also keep the BB height the same as stock. A 27.5x3.8 setup on 50mm won't be much faster(depending on tires of course) and will lower the BB which may be an issue. A 29+ setup would be a great summer setup, faster and lighter, but not really usable for snow riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I have to disagree with you Ben. I think a set of Barbis on 65mm rims would be a great setup for packed snow riding/racing, as well as for non snow riding. The Barbis are the same weight or lighter than all of the 27.5x3.8 options and roll great, and stll allow silly low pressures when needed. They would also keep the BB height the same as stock. A 27.5x3.8 setup on 50mm won't be much faster(depending on tires of course) and will lower the BB which may be an issue. A 29+ setup would be a great summer setup, faster and lighter, but not really usable for snow riding.
    ^^^+ 1
    Yeah the Barbís are fast rollers, unlike the Gnarwhalís, Iím also looking for another set of wheel'sÖ

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
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    Yeah the Barbís are fast rollers, unlike the Gnarwhalís, Iím also looking for another set of wheel'sÖ
    I have a new takeoff wheelset from 2018 Farley 5 I would sell, they were taped at the dealer and have stems. The rear has the Shimano 10/11 driver, but Bontrager does sell an XD driver for this hub (part # W330365). I'm located in Michigan, send me a PM if interested.
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    Nurse Ben- Now that the Crown Gem has had some time to stretch, can you give us some updated numbers?
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    I am looking into up grading my stock farley 9 wheels. I have read a lot on this forum about guys running 27.5 x 50mm wheels with 3.8 tires. I will probably get my local shop to build them. What rims are people running? Also would you recommend switching to 29+ instead. I live in eastern Pennsylvania and mostly ride rocky single track with the occasional snow ride in the winter. Does anybody run 27.5x 3 on a fat bike or would that drop the bb to low. I am in the process of switching my bluto from 100mm to 120mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrLapp View Post
    I am looking into up grading my stock farley 9 wheels. I have read a lot on this forum about guys running 27.5 x 50mm wheels with 3.8 tires. I will probably get my local shop to build them. What rims are people running? Also would you recommend switching to 29+ instead. I live in eastern Pennsylvania and mostly ride rocky single track with the occasional snow ride in the winter. Does anybody run 27.5x 3 on a fat bike or would that drop the bb to low. I am in the process of switching my bluto from 100mm to 120mm.
    I run 50 mm Nextie rims. I have run 27.5 x 3.0 Dirt Wizard tires and loved them. I did not notice the lower BB at all. Last year I ran 3.8 Hodags and was surprised how well they worked, so much so that I didn't mount the DWs. If I lived in CO or CA I might go with 29+ but for me living in the east I think 27.5 is more responsive.

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    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?
    i think you need to elaborate on what surface and what type of riding.

    If you're saying for deep snow, then sure that makes sense.
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    No snow, eastcoast singletrack. I am almost 2 mph faster on each ride since switching.

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    Well there are likely a bunch of factors at play besides the wheel size. East coast weather has varied a lot over the past few months and trail conditions now are not what they have been. Also what tires on each wheelset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    Well there are likely a bunch of factors at play besides the wheel size. East coast weather has varied a lot over the past few months and trail conditions now are not what they have been. Also what tires on each wheelset?
    Maxxis DHF,DHR vs Jumbo Jim , the main issue was suppleness and rollover. The 27.5 felt like it got stuck on everything but the JJ just roll over the same trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    Maxxis DHF,DHR vs Jumbo Jim , the main issue was suppleness and rollover. The 27.5 felt like it got stuck on everything but the JJ just roll over the same trail.
    JJs have very low rolling resistance: https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...-liteskin-2016

    Close to MTB racing tires on hardpack and (very) likely better than them on softer/bumpier stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    Maxxis DHF,DHR vs Jumbo Jim , the main issue was suppleness and rollover. The 27.5 felt like it got stuck on everything but the JJ just roll over the same trail.
    You do realize you're comparing probably the slowest 27 Fat tire to the fastest 26 fat tire, right? 27 fat is obviously not for everyone, but that's really not a fair comparison.

    I'd also like to hear what exactly you didn't like about them. Also, what rims and pressures were you using for each setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    Maxxis DHF,DHR vs Jumbo Jim , the main issue was suppleness and rollover.
    No wonder you like the 26" setup better then. You should have tried some 27.5 Hodag tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    No wonder you like the 26" setup better then. You should have tried some 27.5 Hodag tires.
    No offense, but cannot use any TREK product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    No offense, but cannot use any TREK product.
    Oh, well that eliminates half the current B-fat tire options right there.

    I'd suggest the Terrene Cake Eater if you want something more supple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    No offense, but cannot use any TREK product.
    Just curious; why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amadkins View Post
    Just curious; why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    4.5" Barbes are not going to be all that different from a 4.5 Gnar, same casing dontcha know, so you might get a slightly faster rolling tire, but not a tire thay is much good for anything other than soft surfaces. I got a set of Barbes on Jackalopes now, trust me, they are not all around tires.

    What Rodney is saying is that the 50mm rims would be for B Fat, which is ~ the ideal rim width for a 3.5" tire.

    Half way between your Top Fuel and 4.5 tires is B Fat.
    340g per tire heavier. Same casing but those big spaced out knobs will for sure drag more than the smaller tighter ones.

    My gnarwhals are studded too, so not going to use them other than winter anyways
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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?
    Almost same experience for me. My experience with B-Fat (only tried Hodags and Minions, but consider other tires in same category to be in the same size range), is that they need as wide rim (tried 80mm Nexties) as possible to be considered useful on soft snow, even then it was not useful for me on snow.
    For rocky terrain/ hard ice surface it is the opposite, you need to go narrower, to avvoid rim strike. I found 50mm Nextie rims to be a good width, you might go even down to 40mm?
    For me it is better also to go for 26" wider tires, and to use 3" Plus tires on hard surface.

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    ...and i am excited again! just got my GnarDags from Mikesee. scaled em up, 1320 grams for both of them. #wouldbangagain


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    Nope. I used to have some 26 x 4.8 Minions, slow and heavy, okay for snow and mud, but crap for anything else. I ride 26Ē day in a variety of set ups, never felt fast or agile, and I would not consider them as a daily driver.

    As for 27.5 x 3.8, had a bunch of set ups, no complaints, not a true sniwctire, but it also functions better on non snow surfaces than a 26 x 4. The biggest ahah moment for me was when I found myself choosing to ride dirt on my Wozo with the 27.5 x 3.8 wheelset over my Fatillac with 27.5 x 3Ē.

    My guess is you either misunderstood the purpose behind BFat; ie multi purpose, and need a snow tire or you donít ride fast enough to appreciate the difference. Either way, as long as youíre riding happy, all is good.

    We all make mistakes. I just bought and sold a 27.5 x 4.5 Jackalopes/Barbe/DT Swiss wheelset at a loss, only rode it a handful of times. Iíd purchased it with plans to ride them more, but itís just now happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    scaled em up, 1320 grams for both of them.

    Awesome, will be one of my next purchases!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    ...and i am excited again! just got my GnarDags from Mikesee. scaled em up, 1320 grams for both of them. #wouldbangagain

    Mikesee has these in stock? I need a set!

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    I need a low rolling resistance 27.5x4 tire. Most these treads look aggressive as hell. Cake eater? Currently have minions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbauer View Post
    Mikesee has these in stock? I need a set!
    No idea if he has any left. Need em? Lace Mine 29 - Big Bicycle Wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by jonm1211 View Post
    I need a low rolling resistance 27.5x4 tire. Most these treads look aggressive as hell. Cake eater? Currently have minions.
    for lower rolling resistance bfat, i would say first and foremost, Hodag. Following the Hodag, the CakeEater.

    Both the hodag and cakie have ~4mm center knob height. The Cakie has much larger edge knobs.

    The Gnarwhal has ~6mm center knobs...

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    Front and rear?

    The Minion FBF is a good tire, if you're running it now I'm not so sure you can do better. I ran a Minion FBF, Hodag and tried the Gem up front. Hodag was a good all around tire but kinda "bouncy", Gem was terrible up front due to autosteer, and the FBF was the fastest and best handling so I run it now.

    In back I've run the Minion, Hodag, Gem. The Minion wasn't bad, but I found it to be a tad slow and fragile. The Hodag is a good tire, but again I found it bouncy. I'm running the Crown Gem, it's like a Hodag but more aggressive knobbies, 120tpi, not slow, good traction, sticky rubber. and so far quite durable.

    Maybe start with the rear tire and see how it goes, you could get a Gem, Hodag, Cake or Gnar. All of these tires will probbaly roll faster than a FBR.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonm1211 View Post
    I need a low rolling resistance 27.5x4 tire. Most these treads look aggressive as hell. Cake eater? Currently have minions.

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    Yeah, FBR rear. I kind of deduced this to be the case. Thanks for your thoughts. I think to get a truly (and relatively) fast-rolling tire I may need to go 29+. Always an option, just $$$.

    By the way, people, don't get me wrong--I'm with ya--B fat is dope. Just planning on some pavement riding w/the fatty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonm1211 View Post
    B fat is dope. Just planning on some pavement riding w/the fatty.
    wifey got a new bike, a mid fat. Yesterday, after work she wanted to ride it on the road/paved rail trail to get used to it.

    i pumped up my Cakeeater 27.5x4 to 20 psi, and followed suit. although it clearly wasn't the most efficient setup, there were no issues whatsoever. #bFATRULES

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    To conclude that the Barbe is a good year round tire based in itís weight alone is to ignore the sheer size of this tire.

    The Barbe and Gnar are high volume tires with not a lot of structure, they have more autosteer than a smaller tire and they bounce a fair bit. Before I owned s set, I was considering them for bike packing, but now I know better.

    If someone considers the Snowshoe XXL a year round tire, then youíll feel the same way about the Barbe.

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    ^^^+ 1
    Yeah the Barbís are fast rollers, unlike the Gnarwhalís, Iím also looking for another set of wheel'sÖ

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    85mm casing, 90mm knobs
    Duroc 50, ~8psi

    Overall Iím really enjoying this tire, good traction on dirt and rock, predictable handling, and surprisingly good traction on snow.

    Not a tire Iíd run up front, but itís a gem out back. Iím running a Minion FBF in front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The Barbe and Gnar are high volume tires with not a lot of structure, they have more autosteer than a smaller tire

    "structure"?!

    autosteer is a function of size + pressure. not just size. run *any* tire too low and it will autosteer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbauer View Post
    Mikesee has these in stock? I need a set!

    Just got another batch in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The Barbe and Gnar are high volume tires with not a lot of structure, they have more autosteer than a smaller tire and they bounce a fair bit. Before I owned s set, I was considering them for bike packing, but now I know better.
    I disagree with your thoughts on this regarding use on snow. I have been using the Gnarwhal 4.5 for the last few weeks in many different types conditions and have not encountered any auto steer. Granted I've only run as low as 3 psi but if I run a Jumbo Jim or any other 26" tire at that pressure I always get auto steer. I have been very impressed with the Gnar in almost every scenario except deep, dry snow where I feel that Bud and Lou have a slight advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post

    The Barbe and Gnar are high volume tires with not a lot of structure, they have more autosteer than a smaller tire and they bounce a fair bit. Before I owned s set, I was considering them for bike packing, but now I know better.
    I havenít noticed any autosteer traits from either tire, what I do notice; they tend to roll slower when under inflatedÖ

    I have a Gnar up front now with a Barb on the rear, I like this setup with changing trail conditions.

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    We're not talking about snow, we're talking about NOT snow.

    The Barbes definitely have some autosteer on dirt; at speed they can have a mind of their own, not as bad as some tires, but enough that I wouldn't consider them a year round tire.

    They are certainly great tires for softer surfaces and they hit way above their size, super low weight and quite durable.

    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    I disagree with your thoughts on this regarding use on snow. I have been using the Gnarwhal 4.5 for the last few weeks in many different types conditions and have not encountered any auto steer. Granted I've only run as low as 3 psi but if I run a Jumbo Jim or any other 26" tire at that pressure I always get auto steer. I have been very impressed with the Gnar in almost every scenario except deep, dry snow where I feel that Bud and Lou have a slight advantage.

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    They autosteer on hard surfaces at all pressures, somewhat worse at higher pressures, I played with pressures quite a bit.

    I was thinking that the same tire with a thicker casing might be better, but then they'd weigh more.

    Essentially what I'm saying is this is not a daily driver for year round use, which of course makes sense as there is limited need for such a tire in the summer unless you're riding sand or something boggy of some sort.

    To each their own, in the summer I ride plus tires, but I have seen folks riding 4" tires on dirt in the summer, kinda crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    "structure"?!

    autosteer is a function of size + pressure. not just size. run *any* tire too low and it will autosteer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    I disagree with your thoughts on this regarding use on snow. I have been using the Gnarwhal 4.5 for the last few weeks in many different types conditions and have not encountered any auto steer. Granted I've only run as low as 3 psi but if I run a Jumbo Jim or any other 26" tire at that pressure I always get auto steer. I have been very impressed with the Gnar in almost every scenario except deep, dry snow where I feel that Bud and Lou have a slight advantage.
    Gnarwhal doesn't self steer at all IME though my Hodag 3.8s sure do... We thought winter was over in my parts but now 8-12'' coming and with Gnarwhals Im a tiny bit happy.

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    Interesting, I had no self steer with Hodags, mainly ran them on dirt, found them a touch bouncy is all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Gnarwhal doesn't self steer at all IME though my Hodag 3.8s sure do... We thought winter was over in my parts but now 8-12'' coming and with Gnarwhals Im a tiny bit happy.

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    On flat rock more than anything, off camber, uneven, pretty wild actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?
    that's odd, my experience has been the exact opposite. 27.5 Fat is noticeably faster than 26" and better for east coast rocks. I've come to hate 26" fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    that's odd, my experience has been the exact opposite. 27.5 Fat is noticeably faster than 26" and better for east coast rocks. I've come to hate 26" fat.

    More or less my experience, too.

    Still, to each their own. At least he tried it.

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    For anyone who is B fat curious, I may have a set of wheels to sell. I sold off the frame that these were used on, and not sure if it will be replaced. They are DT Swiss 350 Big Ride hubs, 197 rear and 150 front, laced to Bontrager Jackalope 27.5x80mm rims, built to perfection by Mikesee. Wheels currently have Bontrager Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 tires mounted tubeless and without sealant, and they hold air for weeks! Wheel and one tire have about 30 miles on them, the other tire about 50 miles, so basically brand new. PM me if you're interested in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I used the 27.5 x 3.8 over the last few months and hate it. Everyone seems to really like the setup, but it is not for me. Dropped some serious coin going that route and it has been one of the most disappointing changes I have done. Switched to 26 x 4.8 and love the bike now.

    Anyone else experience that?
    I'm looking for another set of 27.5 fat wheels if you are selling?

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    Bump.

    Recommended (spare) tube size for 3.8s on 50mm rims? Maxxis' tubes go up to 5.0 which seem very overkill.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereyonder View Post
    Bump.

    Recommended (spare) tube size for 3.8s on 50mm rims? Maxxis' tubes go up to 5.0 which seem very overkill.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereyonder View Post
    Bump.

    Recommended (spare) tube size for 3.8s on 50mm rims? Maxxis' tubes go up to 5.0 which seem very overkill.

    Thanks.
    i use bontrager 26x2.5-2.8 and it works well.... https://www.evanscycles.com/bontrage...valve-EV168727

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    Quote Originally Posted by burtronix View Post
    Yet another reason to go tubeless.
    They will be tubeless.

    However, I would like to take two spares on a trip out to the middle of nowhere in case things go awry....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    i use bontrager 26x2.5-2.8 and it works well.... https://www.evanscycles.com/bontrage...valve-EV168727
    Perfect, thanks!

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    new Lithic rim?

    got an email back from Otso that they were hoping to have a 70 mm Lithic rim in 27.5 this fall. Been waiting for something like this to use on my Ritchey Commando. Pretty sure a 27.5 4" wheel and tire will fit with at least a cm of clearance in all spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senor_mikey View Post
    got an email back from Otso that they were hoping to have a 70 mm Lithic rim in 27.5 this fall. Been waiting for something like this to use on my Ritchey Commando. Pretty sure a 27.5 4" wheel and tire will fit with at least a cm of clearance in all spots.

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    Unless you're riding deep, soft snow full-time, I can't think of a reason to stick with 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Unless you're riding deep, soft snow full-time, I can't think of a reason to stick with 26".
    No snow here in So Cal. My use is the desert canyons and washes in Anza Borrego and Death Valley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senor_mikey View Post
    No snow here in So Cal. My use is the desert canyons and washes in Anza Borrego and Death Valley.

    mike

    Then you are well and truly on the right track.

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    So I just built up a set of 27.5 x 65 Nexties and shod them with 3.8Ē Hodags.
    Iím kind of shocked how dead and slow they feel. Even though my total wheel/tire combo is 1/2 pound lighter, I feel like Iím working a lot harder than with my former 26 x 4 Jumbo Jimís.

    Any better riding 27.5 x 3.5 to 4.0 tire suggestions?

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    i found a hodag on the rear to be quite slow rolling. i wonder if breaking out a tyre cutter and doing some judicious trimming would work - it has an abudance of traction, so can afford to lose some in certain terrains...but i have not tried it yet...

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    I rolled a pair of 4.5 Barbie's across the state of Iowa, all on the road, for our annual RAGBRAI exursion. They rolled quite well! I think I had 12psi front and 15 rear to support my 200+ pounds. No self steer or other quirks. Obviously not what they were intended for but it was a fun week!
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    Got my 26 X 5'' for snow

    Got my 2.4'' for summer

    650B ?
    Yep , a good gimmick to make you buy new stuff all over again.
    Last time I checked 650 is only 75mm more in circumference than 26......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    So I just built up a set of 27.5 x 65 Nexties and shod them with 3.8Ē Hodags.
    Iím kind of shocked how dead and slow they feel. Even though my total wheel/tire combo is 1/2 pound lighter, I feel like Iím working a lot harder than with my former 26 x 4 Jumbo Jimís.

    Any better riding 27.5 x 3.5 to 4.0 tire suggestions?
    Yeah. Nothing really compares to jj tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Yeah. Nothing really compares to jj tires.

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    I so want Schwalbe to make a Jumbo Jim in 27.5 somewhere in between a "3.8" and a "4.5". I run both 26 and 27.5 fat and absolutely love the JJ on dirt and sand. However, I hate being locked into limited options for the 27.5 platform.

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    My LBS said to expect a Vanhelga and Dillinger in 27.5 this winter. If true, thereís hope yet that there will be wider adoption across other manufacturers


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoboscratch View Post
    My LBS said to expect a Vanhelga and Dillinger in 27.5 this winter. If true, thereís hope yet that there will be wider adoption across other manufacturers


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoboscratch View Post
    My LBS said to expect a Vanhelga and Dillinger in 27.5 this winter.
    that would be choice. I wanted a 27.5x4 vanhelga as soon as i tried all the other 27.5x4 tires... my current favorite is the fbf/fbr with 4 hours of siping added....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    So I just built up a set of 27.5 x 65 Nexties and shod them with 3.8Ē Hodags.
    Iím kind of shocked how dead and slow they feel. Even though my total wheel/tire combo is 1/2 pound lighter, I feel like Iím working a lot harder than with my former 26 x 4 Jumbo Jimís.

    Any better riding 27.5 x 3.5 to 4.0 tire suggestions?
    Terrene cake eater. 120tpi and like a d4 close lug pattern down the middle with big turning knobs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Terrene cake eater. 120tpi and like a d4 close lug pattern down the middle with big turning knobs.
    gotta watch those, they are only good at 100psi and above. Anything less and they fall off the rim... :P

    *Kinda joking, but not really*... I didn't have luck with the bead staying put at anything less than 13psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    gotta watch those, they are only good at 100psi and above. Anything less and they fall off the rim... :P

    *Kinda joking, but not really*... I didn't have luck with the bead staying put at anything less than 13psi.
    That ďblowsĒ good to know


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    Iíve had no problems with Cake Eaters 27.5 x 4.0 since very early spring. Running them on Dirt Components Porcupine rims. Forgot to check the rear tire pressure and rode about 8psi the other day and started to feel some rim strikes (oops!). No bead rolling though.

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    I really want to know why the F i cant get 65mm mulefuts. Looks like nextie black eagles it is.

    Barbs on the 65mms for summer and groomed races.

    Studded Gnarwhals on the 80mm for winter trail riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    I really want to know why the F i cant get 65mm mulefuts. ...
    i have a set.... i christened them "unicorns" because they are rarely seen in the wild.


    even installed the unicorn rim strip...

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    5Ē johnny? vs the new 4.5Ēx27.5Ē cake eater


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    Hey everyone, I don't own a fat bike but can I ask how tall (diameter) a 26 x 4.0 measures? And if anyone has measured the diameter of a 27.5 x 4.0? I'm guessing they would be around 29 and 31 inches high, respectively, or is that off by a lot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    5Ē johnny? vs the new 4.5Ēx27.5Ē cake eater
    27.5x4.5 cake eater? haven't heard about that one yet...

    it would hilarious if the above pic was the 27.5x4 cake eater... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    27.5x4.5 cake eater? haven't heard about that one yet...

    it would hilarious if the above pic was the 27.5x4 cake eater... :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post


    No chuckles for you
    darn, i really wanted some too... :P I stand corrected on the 27.5x4.5 cakie. THanks for the pic.

    I don't understand the Terrene tire line, is the wazia going away then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Hey everyone, I don't own a fat bike but can I ask how tall (diameter) a 26 x 4.0 measures? And if anyone has measured the diameter of a 27.5 x 4.0? I'm guessing they would be around 29 and 31 inches high, respectively, or is that off by a lot?
    Most 27.5x4.0 tires are coming in around 29.5". If I remember correctly, my 26x3.8" Hodag was 29.125" on 80mm Mulefut.
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    Dillinger 4 and vanhelga have been announced in 27.5. Info on their website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    Dillinger 4 and vanhelga have been announced in 27.5. Info on their website
    Finally!! Been hoping they Vanhelga would make it to the 27.5 size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    vanhelga have been announced in 27.5. Info on their website
    yay!

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    I'm excited about this wheel size! I've been off my bikes for a couple of years due to loss of passion from injuries, life changes, etc. Last injury was herniated L4 & L5 discs which had a tendency to make life hell after a good ride. I really like the cushy feel of my 2016 Spec Fatboy but it weighs a lot & the 4.6 tires are overkill for non-snow riding. I was looking at 29+ offerings but am not sure a 3.0 tire will provide the softer ride I'm looking for. Enter 27.5x4ish. I'm really thinking about building a bike around a 27.5 wheelset with 50mm or 65mm rims. Been looking at the CL197 frameset & it *almost* fits the bill. I'd really like the ability to run an EBB so I can run singlespeed but I haven't really looked into other frames at this point. Been riding primarily SS since 2007 so if I could keep that option open, it would be great. On the other hand, the geo & price of the CL197 are perfect. Think I'd end up running a 10sp set up with 32T chainring & an 11-36 cassette. This will be a project for winter so I've got a lot of research to do!

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    Hodag on i40 rim for front for summer setup? Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fewg8 View Post
    Hodag on i40 rim for front for summer setup? Any thoughts?
    imho, it would not be ideal. if given a choice, i would not run a 3.8/4" tire on anything thinner than a 45mm internal hoop.

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    That's what I keep reading. Have a spare front wheel laying around and thought I might experiment if I come across a used hodag
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    Quote Originally Posted by fewg8 View Post
    That's what I keep reading. Have a spare front wheel laying around and thought I might experiment if I come across a used hodag
    No harm in experimenting. IMO 45 to 50mm internal is ideal for summer use.

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    Those vanhelga's are gonna look nice on my blue Suzi q this winter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider View Post
    Those vanhelga's are gonna look nice on my blue Suzi q this winter!
    Ill trade you some barbergazis 4.5Ē hahah...


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    I am loving the 27.5x3.8 vanhelga! The only problem with it is I need one for the back now...



    Last edited by Rodney; 4 Weeks Ago at 04:42 AM. Reason: picked the wrong VH photo...

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    Barbagazis are marginal for loose snow. I run them in the 4.7 version on my 907. Vanhelga's just flat out work well. Granted they are no bud and Lou. They are one of the best 4" tires out there for snow. Can't wait for the snow to fly so I can mount them up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post


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    Any measurements on that 27.5 x 4.5 cake eater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    I am loving the 27.5x3.8 vanhelga! The only problem with it is I need one for the back now...



    Be sure to check for clearance in the back first. The 27.5x4.0 Vanhelga doesnít fit in the back of my Mutz. Itís taller than the Hodag and Minion 27.5 x 3.8s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    Be sure to check for clearance in the back first. The 27.5x4.0 Vanhelga doesnít fit in the back of my Mutz. Itís taller than the Hodag and Minion 27.5 x 3.8s.
    not what i needed to hear... :O I did notice it was much taller, as i have hodag/minions mounted up on other rims. #ohnoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobine View Post
    Be sure to check for clearance in the back first. The 27.5x4.0 Vanhelga doesnít fit in the back of my Mutz. Itís taller than the Hodag and Minion 27.5 x 3.8s.
    How much taller than the Hodag? By chance have an actual measurement? Iím curious if I can fit it in my B+ Magnum or not.
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    What would be the benefit of going to a hodag from a barbergazi for fall riding? Barb is just as light. Would it be better handling? Rougher?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    How much taller than the Hodag? By chance have an actual measurement?
    i can get a measurement in a few hours. what is the best way to do this?

    i have VH, hodag, fbf, and fbr here all mounted on 50's.

    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    What would be the benefit of going to a hodag from a barbergazi for fall riding?
    the barbie is just a big hodag. I would think if you swapped to a VH or gnarwhal, your braking would be better on leaf cover. well, that is what i do.

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