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    26 x 3" Knards

    Hopefully this means they are going to make them available to the public!

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    Bring 'em! Might be a nice dirt racing tire.

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    So would that probably measure out to be 28" like a certain trendy wheel size?

    Sounds like some good summer fun.
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    Ooooooh, I read the article and didn't even put two and two together. Wonderful news.

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    26" Knards or Dirt Wizards, I don't care, just want them NOW!

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    It WOULD be lighter than my gazzis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    My Troll will be happy!
    That's what I'll be using them on too.

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    that would make my 1x1 soooo very happy!

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    Why use 3" knards when you can use 3.8? Does not compute.

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    When your troll won't fit 3.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Why use 3" knards when you can use 3.8? Does not compute.
    Bigger isn't always better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Federline View Post
    When your troll won't fit 3.8
    I don't know that your wife would appreciate her knick-name.

    My "troll" prefers the feel of a larger diameter than 3".

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    Methinks 26x3 would be about Max for a troll with clearance. I shaved the Vbrake mounts for good measure. Have watch the chainline as well.

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    What's the biggest you've ever stuffed in your troll. If only I had such big meats to test

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    some are blind to this
    This IS the Fat Bike forum. I, for one, would not even glance in these tires' general direction if they were 2.9".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    well give me the evil look then because I like the 2.7 too! Unless that was sarcasm?

    People with multiple bikes won't be drawn to them as much as those like myself that want to get the most out of their fat bike. I just like options that don't require wheel changes. That and I have thoughts of summer front squish with conventional forks for my fatty.
    Sarcasm is but one of the many services we offer here at SmooveP Industries. This was an example of the lighthearted variety.

    But seriously, I would jump on a pair of these, but (also seriously) only if they're 3". Anything less would almost certainly require a smallish rim, say 50mm or less, to get a nice round tire profile. I'd hope I could get away with my Marge Lites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    I'm running 50s on my old school fatty

    I know we're not alone. Been hearing people ask for 3" rubber since this forum started up
    I'd lace up a set of wheels with 47s (or something similar) if I had to. I have a spare fat wheelset I could use. I'll eventually get around to test riding a Krampus at some point for another perspective on a 3" tire. Have you ridden one?

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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Sarcasm is but one of the many services we offer here at SmooveP Industries. This was an example of the lighthearted variety.

    But seriously, I would jump on a pair of these, but (also seriously) only if they're 3". Anything less would almost certainly require a smallish rim, say 50mm or less, to get a nice round tire profile. I'd hope I could get away with my Marge Lites.
    What's your opinion on the best width rim for the dirt wizard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Federline View Post
    What's your opinion on the best width rim for the dirt wizard?

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    Surly recommends a minimum rim width of 35mm, and they seem to be designed to work with the 50mm Rabbit Holes, so anywhere in that range, I'd guess. I haven't played around in that range of tire/rim sizes at all, so I wouldn't trust my opinion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Federline View Post
    What's your opinion on the best width rim for the dirt wizard?
    that smoovep is a wise guy for sure so keep an eye on her. I plan to use 35mm with mine for a pseudo fat setup but 40,47 and 50mm will do the deed.

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    Have 44mm rims on my Troll which is my intended use.

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    I can fit 3" gazzaloddis in a fox 36.
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    I've got a White Bros 650b fork, hopefully comparable to a Fox. It's wider than my Reba.

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    Another "WANT!" to add to the Surly petition. 26 x 3.0 knards sound like such purrrrfection

    (thanks for heads up FTMN)

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    FWIW the 26+ Knard shows up on an official Surly tire dimensions sheet, so I imagine we'll see it at some point.

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    I'm very interested in 26x3.0 knards, too.
    Hope they will fit in 1x1, mounted to 65mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    I'm very interested in 26x3.0 knards, too.
    Hope they will fit in 1x1, mounted to 65mm rims.
    From the Surly blog:

    "...I was rolling around this fall on some Large Marge rims with 3” knards on my 1x1..."

    When I can get them, I'll be sticking a set of Knards or Dirt Wizards on my ancient 1x1. It sounds like a better option than riding my 29er to me.
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    Оps. Thank You Velobike!
    I have already read this blog entry.
    But I was so impressed by the fact of existence of 26x3rnards that do not pay attention to the overall setup.

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    I reckon this would shorten up the trail considerably on any bike that came stock with 3.8-4.0 tires. Might make for a good nimble time on dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    Оps. Thank You Velobike!
    I have already read this blog entry.
    But I was so impressed by the fact of existence of 26x3rnards that do not pay attention to the overall setup.
    I'm still waiting for my 120tpi Dirt Wizards, but Knards would do the job just as well.

    I'm kind of desperate because I intend to use my 1x1 for the SSEC next week, and I've lost the skills for bouncing skinny tyres off tree roots.

    So, after a little bit of parts swapping and a few trial fits...





    I'll be sticking a slightly fatter rear tyre on to balance it out.

    (I'm using this bike rather than one of my fat bikes because it's the same bike I used in the 2004 SSEC, so I figured it would be fun to use it for the 2014 version ten years on)
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    26 x 3" Knards

    Knard 26x3.0...

    Sounds like it's only the 120tpi version that's out now. Anyone get a tire yet? I'm curious about the weight...


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    Where it sounds from?
    Only place I know is smartbikeparts, 120 psi only, but "out of stock".

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    26 x 3" Knards

    I'm guessing they came and went before most online retailers could get 'em up on their site. If there is a good LBS near you, that'll be your best bet.

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    AE Bike list them and has a waiting list...

    Surly Knard 26 x 3" 120tpi Tire - AEBike.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbabin View Post
    AE Bike list them and has a waiting list...

    Surly Knard 26 x 3" 120tpi Tire - AEBike.com
    Thank You kbabin! Subscribed.

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    Cool, What rim are you planning on using with this? I'm wanting to build up a wheel with a Velocity P-35 and try it tubeless.

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    Hope my old Weinmann DHL-65 rims with subject tires "fits fine", based on Surly blog entry discussed above. Have successfuly used Gazzaloddys 3.0 and Boa-G 3.45.

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    26 x 3" Knards

    My guess is that only Surly "stocking dealers" can get 'em at this point. I'm lucky enough that all the local shops I frequent are stocking dealers. Go to the Surly website to find a dealer.

    I picked one up today (apparently there are a bunch still available at QBP). My 26x3 120tpi tire came in at 804 grams.


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    I have ordered a pair from smartbikeparts week ago, now waiting for shipping.

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    I'm toying with the idea of this tire

    my wife is running 47mm northpaws already, we were going to build a 29er wheelset, but I'm thinking the 26x3" knards at 20ish PSI would put the bottom bracket height the same distance from the ground as running the normal 8ish psi in the 3.8 knards she has on there now due to not squishing down as much

    thoughts?
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    so I decided to experiment last night

    3.8 knard on marge lite, 8psi with rider (fatbike "sag") = 12" bottom bracket height

    2.7" kenda on 47mm northpaw, 15psi with rider = 12" bottom bracket height

    the 2.7" tire itself measures about 1" shorter but comes out exactly the same when the bike is loaded

    I'm pretty sure 26+ is the proper summer size and will affect geometry far less than 29+ or possibly even reg 29er wheels
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
    so I decided to experiment last night

    ...I'm pretty sure 26+ is the proper summer size and will affect geometry far less than 29+ or possibly even reg 29er wheels
    I think you're probably right. I've skipped the 29er wheel thing on my fatbike because I have 29ers lying around.

    I have a 907 with 40mm rims and Larries, and I found I prefer to ride that in preference to a 29er. Basically I have a Pug for winter and bogs, and use the 907 for dry trails and summer.

    If I was going to monkey around with 29er+, I think I'd go Edelbikes and get Francois to make me one. I rode one of his bikes briefly at the SSEC last weekend and was impressed at how light and precise its steering was in comparison to other 29er+ I have ridden.
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    26x3 Knards available now thru all QBP dealers
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    Any thoughts about how these would run on Marge Lite rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genefruit View Post
    Any thoughts about how these would run on Marge Lite rims?
    I think they will be a fine fit for summer, I'll post pics comparing them to the 3.8 knards on marge lites and the 47 northpaws when I get them
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    Looking at the Knard for a rear trail tire. My LBS can get the 26x3 Knard 120tpi for $105, and I almost pulled the trigger as the weight as quite appealing. But with an 80mm rear rim and possible BB height loss, I think I am leaning toward the 3.8" 27tpi and suck up the extra lb of rotational weight. Not crazy about it, and I can't afford a 120tpi 3.8.

    I figure I with the 3.0 in rear I may lose about 5-10mm pedal clearance. The possible square profile on an 80mm rim concerns me as it may put the BB even lower.
    What do you think?

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    Depends where you ride. If you like rocks and dislike strikes, 5-10mm lower than too low would be a drag.

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    Whether these will work or not and the amount the BB drops is going to rely 100% on tire pressures you intend to run compared to how much you run in normal fat tires

    We can make these 2" lower than 3.8" tires if we wanted to but that seems silly
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    My set has just arrived at the shop, maybe I'll be nice and mount them up and take pics tonight

    ugh.... they come with the usual fatbike luxury tax as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
    My set has just arrived at the shop, maybe I'll be nice and mount them up and take pics tonight
    Please do!
    I cannot decide between 3" Knard, 3.8" Knard, 4" Floater, or just keeping my 3.7" Endo for rear trail duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamJay View Post
    Looking at the Knard for a rear trail tire. My LBS can get the 26x3 Knard 120tpi for $105, and I almost pulled the trigger as the weight as quite appealing. But with an 80mm rear rim and possible BB height loss, I think I am leaning toward the 3.8" 27tpi and suck up the extra lb of rotational weight. Not crazy about it, and I can't afford a 120tpi 3.8.

    I figure I with the 3.0 in rear I may lose about 5-10mm pedal clearance. The possible square profile on an 80mm rim concerns me as it may put the BB even lower.
    What do you think?
    An 80mm rim will be way too wide for a 3" tire. Even a 65mm rim is going to be on the wide side of things. They were made for 50mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
    My set has just arrived at the shop, maybe I'll be nice and mount them up and take pics tonight

    ugh.... they come with the usual fatbike luxury tax as well
    YES! But will they fit a 1x1 frame on velocity dually rims?

    Anybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newdee View Post
    YES! But will they fit a 1x1 frame on velocity dually rims?

    Anybody?
    According to Surly they'll fit in a 1x1 on (the even wider) Marges.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    An 80mm rim will be way too wide for a 3" tire. Even a 65mm rim is going to be on the wide side of things. They were made for 50mm rims.
    These'll fit just fine on a 65mm (or 80mm) rim. I've run high volume 2.35s on 65mm rims without any issue. It all depends on tire pressure and the terrain you are riding.

    I'm going to throw my tire on a Darryl tonight just to see how it looks.


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    3" Knard on Darryl measured out to 85-86mm at the casing and 77-78mm between the outer edges of the knobs. That's with a tube at 20psi, although I'd probably run it in the teens somewhere.

    Proportionally it looks similar to the Black Panther 2.35/Large Marge set-up I've run in the past.

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    26 x 3" Knards

    And the 3" Knard on a Marge Lite measures out to 79-80mm at the casing (widest point), and 78mm knob to knob. Tube, 30psi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    3" Knard on Darryl measured out to 85-86mm at the casing and 77-78mm between the outer edges of the knobs. That's with a tube at 20psi, although I'd probably run it in the teens somewhere.
    Good to hear! How's the profile on the Darryl?

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    Dirt Wizard on Marge Lite. Off topic, but someone might be curious.


    3.0 Knard on Marge Lite. This is the combo I'm using on the rear of my cargo bike. If I had the money, I'd love to build a bike around a set of these wheels. A Troll with a set of these would be cool too.


    3.0 Knard on Rolling Darryl. Just because...


    While I think the 3.0 Knard/Marge Lite combo is the ideal set-up, depending on how it is used (terrain and tire pressure), the Rolling Darryl is not "way too wide" for this tire.

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    I suppose if you only want to ride in a straight line on smooth pavement they'd be OK on Darryl's.

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    26 x 3" Knards

    I'd like to hear your experiences with this type of set-up ultraspontane.

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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    I'd like to hear your experiences with this type of set-up ultraspontane.
    And I'd like to see the trails you've shredded up while running a 3" tire on 82mm rims.

    I have both Marge Lites and Rolling Darryl wheelsets. Even with 4" tires, the difference in handling on trails is quite severe, favoring the narrower rims. Going down to a 3" tire, logic says the handling would be exponentially worse.

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    It's simple maths.

    Regard your rim width as a chord of a circle, and the bead to bead width of the tyre as that part of the circumference intersected by the chord. It's simple to work out that a wider rim is going to give an effectively larger radius for the tyre, or crudely, as the chord get bigger the circumference gets flatter.

    Thus you risk losing edge protection and lean angle grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    And the 3" Knard on a Marge Lite measures out to 79-80mm at the casing (widest point), and 78mm knob to knob. Tube, 30psi.


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    my findings are the same for 65's, they measure 74-75mm on 47mm northpaws and are 28" diameter, without a rider the BB drops 1/2" but it comes out exactly the same with rider weight added as I expected

    weights came in at 860 and 863
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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

    Here's some pics

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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    And I'd like to see the trails you've shredded up while running a 3" tire on 82mm rims.

    I have both Marge Lites and Rolling Darryl wheelsets. Even with 4" tires, the difference in handling on trails is quite severe, favoring the narrower rims.
    My fat bike isn't for "shredding trails", brah. And I haven't ridden a 3" tire on 82mm rims, never claimed I have. But I have ridden 2.35 tires on 65mm rims (proportionally, a very similar set-up) a lot and can say that it worked great on soft or sandy trails. Even on well-packed snow trails. And on the smooth, fast singletrack we have around here, where the infrequent rocks are usually round river rocks, it was a lot of fun. Which brings me back to my "depending on the terrain" comment from several posts ago.

    The issue I have is that making the statement, "Darryl is way too wide for the 3.0 Knard" is flat out wrong. It'll work, and your fatbike will ride like a fatbike, with skinnier and lighter tires.

    If you feel that the difference between a Marge and a Darryl (when running a 3.8 tire) is "severe" you gotta stop nit-picking about your bike and just ride it. Seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Thus you risk losing edge protection and lean angle grip.
    Sure, there are advantages and disadvantages to every set-up. This is very different from stating, as fact, that the Darryl is way too wide for the 3.0 Knard. There are situations where the advantages of this set-up would outweigh the risks and disadvantages, and be a perfectly good rim/tire combination.

    If I had a fat bike with Darryls and wanted to get a light, fast tire for riding the local singletrack, the Knard 3.0 would be one of the top contenders.

    Interestingly enough this was posted by Surly on Facebook today:

    "Ice Cream Truck in Robin's Egg Blue build in progress. This will be single speed and I'll be running Knard 3.8" tires on Clown Shoe rims."
    If you do simple maths on that, proportionally a 3.8 on a 100mm rim isn't all that different from running a 3.0 on a 82mm rim. Hmmm… someone should really tell them the error of their ways.

    This used to be a forum full of people trying different things and sharing ideas… now it's this.

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    ...But I have ridden 2.35 tires on 65mm rims (proportionally, a very similar set-up) a lot and can say that it worked great on soft or sandy trails. Even on well-packed snow trails. And on the smooth, fast singletrack we have around here, where the infrequent rocks are usually round river rocks, it was a lot of fun. Which brings me back to my "depending on the terrain" comment from several posts ago....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    My fat bike isn't for "shredding trails", brah. And I haven't ridden a 3" tire on 82mm rims, never claimed I have. But I have ridden 2.35 tires on 65mm rims (proportionally, a very similar set-up) a lot and can say that it worked great on soft or sandy trails. Even on well-packed snow trails. And on the smooth, fast singletrack we have around here, where the infrequent rocks are usually round river rocks, it was a lot of fun. Which brings me back to my "depending on the terrain" comment from several posts ago.

    The issue I have is that making the statement, "Darryl is way too wide for the 3.0 Knard" is flat out wrong. It'll work, and your fatbike will ride like a fatbike, with skinnier and lighter tires.

    If you feel that the difference between a Marge and a Darryl (when running a 3.8 tire) is "severe" you gotta stop nit-picking about your bike and just ride it. Seriously.



    Sure, there are advantages and disadvantages to every set-up. This is very different from stating, as fact, that the Darryl is way too wide for the 3.0 Knard. There are situations where the advantages of this set-up would outweigh the risks and disadvantages, and be a perfectly good rim/tire combination.

    If I had a fat bike with Darryls and wanted to get a light, fast tire for riding the local singletrack, the Knard 3.0 would be one of the top contenders.

    Interestingly enough this was posted by Surly on Facebook today:



    If you do simple maths on that, proportionally a 3.8 on a 100mm rim isn't all that different from running a 3.0 on a 82mm rim. Hmmm… someone should really tell them the error of their ways.

    This used to be a forum full of people trying different things and sharing ideas… now it's this.
    ...and for everything except soft snow and sand, 3.8's on 100s suck. Stamp your feet all you want, extreme flat tire profiles ride like poop on the dry trail. Just because you rolled through the woods a few times and down some flat trails with zero obstacles on a similar setup and came out in one piece doesn't make it a good summer trail setup, which is what most are looking for with a 26x3 Knard. I can probably hop on one foot backwards down to the corner store, but I'm not going to go around saying its a perfectly good method of getting around vs walking normally.

    Sorry, what I meant to say was: There are no wrong answers, everyone is a winner, and there is no such thing as bad advice. Collect your participation trophies at the front desk. Better?

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    Surly, what do they know, seem pretty positive about 3.8's on Clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    ...and for everything except soft snow and sand, 3.8's on 100s suck. Stamp your feet all you want, extreme flat tire profiles ride like poop on the dry trail. Just because you rolled through the woods a few times and down some flat trails with zero obstacles on a similar setup and came out in one piece doesn't make it a good summer trail setup, which is what most are looking for with a 26x3 Knard. I can probably hop on one foot backwards down to the corner store, but I'm not going to go around saying its a perfectly good method of getting around vs walking normally.

    Sorry, what I meant to say was: There are no wrong answers, everyone is a winner, and there is no such thing as bad advice. Collect your participation trophies at the front desk. Better?
    Spoken with the confidence (and lack of experience) of a true internet "expert".

    Did you look at the photos I posted? The 3.0 Knard/Darryl is not what I would call an "extreme flat profile".

    And there are most certainly wrong answers and bad advice, ultraspontane. Your posts are perfect examples. ;-)


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    Thanks to FTMN and TitanOfChaos for taking the time to post photos for those of us contemplating these 26+ tires. It really helps. Right now my rear trail tire is a 3.7 Endo on an 80mm rim. It does great for me 90% of the time on So. Indiana singletrack, and when it doesn't do so great is where I could use the traction of a Knard.

    It has a much flatter profile than the the photo of the 3.0 Knard on Rolling Darryl.
    "Extreme flat profiles" aren't 100% a result of % of knob width to rim width. Some tires simply have a flatter profile than others, and the Knard (in all its variations) is known for a round profile.

    None the less, I believe the direction this thread took was good because the arguments from both sides come from perceived righteousness. Both arguments are right, which means the only way to settle it is to ride it. The fact is, no one here has offered the experience of riding 3" Knards on Darryls on singletrack. It's all conjecture, and that is good for those looking to these options now and in the future.

    As for running a 3" Knard on an 80mm rim, my only fear is pedal strikes but if that happens, my crank arms are a bit long for my taste anyway, and I've been looking for a reason to go down to 170 or even 165mm. The possible 22oz rotational weight savings is awfully tempting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Spoken with the confidence (and lack of experience) of a true internet "expert".

    Did you look at the photos I posted? The 3.0 Knard/Darryl is not what I would call an "extreme flat profile".

    And there are most certainly wrong answers and bad advice, ultraspontane. Your posts are perfect examples. ;-)


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    Those are some nice personal attacks, but my original point still stands. Not many here are going to recommend 2.3s on Marge Lites (or any similar tire profile) for a fast summer trail setup. There is a difference between something being doable (barely) and something being a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    There is a difference between something being doable (barely) and something being a good idea.
    How are you so sure that it is barely doable if you've never ACTUALLY DONE IT? Seriously, just give it up.


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    Surly just posted pics of the 3.8 Knard on a Clownshoe over on Facebook. Looks frickin' awesome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Surly just posted pics of the 3.8 Knard on a Clownshoe over on Facebook. Looks frickin' awesome.
    YEP! I just posed my question about 3" Knards on Darryls directly to them.
    But yea.. what do they know, anyway?

    They'll probably only recommend something that is the most fun.

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    Can't wait to try out my new fatbike setup! Gonna be awesome!

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    When cornering at speed, I bet those sidewalls and rim edges grip like mad.

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    Depending on the conditions, that could be a good set-up.


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    Not Knards, but here's a comparison of Dirt Wizards on a 40mm rim to a 2.35" tyre on the same rim.






    And here's a comparison of the DWs on a 56mm rim and a 40mm rim






    The DWs are fitted to my 1x1, and I'm hoping this is going to make my 29er redundant for summer use.








    BTW the 2.35" tyre was a Nobby Nic, and on the 40mm rim the top of the tread was basically flat, with no knobs protruding past the sides. This made cornering on loose stuff more "exciting" than I like. So putting a 2.35" tyre on even wider rims isn't something I'd like to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    BTW the 2.35" tyre was a Nobby Nic, and on the 40mm rim the top of the tread was basically flat, with no knobs protruding past the sides. This made cornering on loose stuff more "exciting" than I like. So putting a 2.35" tyre on even wider rims isn't something I'd like to ride.
    Yeah, but different tires have different shapes. Here is a 2.35 Vredestein Black Panther (large volume tire for a 2.35) on a 65mm Large Marge:
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    To me that combo really doesn't look much different than something like a Stan's Crow on a normal XC rim:
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    These are definitely not tires for hard cornering in loose conditions. But there are conditions where these tires excel. Whether that works for someone or not, is up to that person to figure out.

    For some of us, experimentation is half the fun.

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    …and here's a pic of a 1x1 that Surly built up and put on display at Frostbike a couple years ago. It has 2.4" Big Bettys on 65mm Marge Lites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Yeah, but different tires have different shapes...

    To me that combo really doesn't look much different than something like a Stan's Crow on a normal XC rim:

    These are definitely not tires for hard cornering in loose conditions. But there are conditions where these tires excel. Whether that works for someone or not, is up to that person to figure out.

    For some of us, experimentation is half the fun.
    If we don't experiment we never find anything out for ourselves, so basically I agree with you. And it's also worth repeating someone else's experiment to see if you get different results.

    Where I ride lack of edge grip can have nasty consequences, so what I should really have said was something along the lines of if you are going to fit 2.35" tyres to wide rims, make sure you have enough knobs projecting at the side to suit your riding conditions.

    What I can say with some certainty is the 2.35" Nobby Nics run out of side knobs on a 40mm rim.

    (I wasn't having a go at your earlier post BTW)
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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

    If anyone still has 3" Knards or Dirt Wizards mounted on Marge Lites, could you kindly post some images of them at various angles at your riding PSI? I'm trying to get a little better idea of the profile and edge protection before plunking down 3 Benjamins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    If anyone still has 3" Knards or Dirt Wizards mounted on Marge Lites, could you kindly post some images of them at various angles at your riding PSI? I'm trying to get a little better idea of the profile and edge protection before plunking down 3 Benjamins.
    I can recommend the Dirt Wizards on 40mm rims (I'll shortly build up wheels with wider rims).

    I have put them on my 1x1 with the purpose of using it on forestry roads of which there are hundreds of miles around here. The specific problem they pose is loose gravel and loose rocks with lots of negative camber corners.

    On a 29er I get battered quite a bit on these roads and have to be alert for rocks because they can skip the bike sideways.

    It's better on the fatbike, but there's a couple of problems. With the likes of Larrys on the bike it tends to slide over the top of loose gravel, but swallows up the odd rock ok, Nates are better but too much tyre for big mileage on hard surfaces (with my legs ), ok for say 20 miles. The other problem with the fat tyres is pedal bob when you want to get down to it on long flat bits or a long climb. However the cush of the fat tyres is very welcome on a long day and they don't get thrown offline by rock impacts.

    And so I figured something in between would be the answer. I was tempted by a 29er+, but I really don't need yet another bike, and I didn't want to convert a fatbike.

    Enter the Dirt Wizards.

    I took then for a quick ride yesterday - about 20 miles. The pic here is taken at the top of a long fast descent that goes all the way down to the valley floor. It's where I find out how well a bike handles and it's loaded with lots of loose gravel in all the wrong places, neg cambers, and big rocks loose on the surface. It's popular with car rally crowd and they ensure the road gets a fair beating. So perfect.

    At 20psi (and I think that could go lower), I wasn't battered on the descent, I was able to pick my line for speed rather than worry about grip, and it handled the odd rock impact quite well. In fact my only problem was vision blurring from streaming eyes - which is why I was hitting the odd rock.








    One other thing. The DWs have pretty good knobs on them, so there's good drive on soft stuff. On Nates I can get as far as the corner post before bogging down in this perma boghole, the DWs nearly got me there. (It's important to get to the corner, otherwise gymnastics are necessary to avoid wet feet)









    On the whole, if you have a 1x1 (or 26" bike with the clearance), you can get a new life out of it by fitting the Dirt Wizards. Definitely a 26er+, and much better than having a straight 29er IMO.

    Also I've been using a fatbike with narrow rims for dry trails in summer in preference to my 29er. At the moment, I think this does it better. A few more miles will tell me one way or another.
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    Re: 26 x 3" Knards

    ^ It's just my Pugsley for off road adventure for me. I've got a dedicated fatbike wheelset in my SS'ed Rolling Darryls w/ On One Floaters. I've also got a set of Marge Lites (SS hub front, Alfine 8 rear) that need a new job.

    I put an Instigator 2.0 through its paces a few months back and loved the Dirt Wizards on the 50mm Rabbit Hole rims.



    The wheels performed well in every way, although I prefer the geometry of my Pug. Ever since that demo ride, I've been intrigued by the new "26+" tires, especially DW. With my Marge Lites just laying around, I can't help but wonder. I know I'd be pushing it with the 65mm rim width, but...

    You wouldn't happen to own a set of Large Marges for your old Pug, eh Velobike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    ...You wouldn't happen to own a set of Large Marges for your old Pug, eh Velobike?
    Afraid not. I get my rims from Classic-Cycles or Robsson, mainly because I prefer a minimum of 36 spokes on my wheels.

    The nearest I've got is 56mm, which are now going to end up on the 1x1 to get even more volume out of the DWs.

    I haven't ridden the new Instigator (I had the earlier one), but I think you'll find that a 1x1 with DWs will handle very close to a Pug. If you allow for the extra height of the tyre the trail and flop figures come out very close. The Pug is the bike I ride offroad the most, and there was no noticeable difference in the handling with the 1x1 with the DWs on it.
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    Yesterday I have mounted new Knard 26x3 on 65mm Weinmann DHL-65 rim with tube and 2 bars in it, and put it in my 1x1 rear end. (size L, 2006 model year).
    No clearance in forward wheel position, 4mm clearance from chainstay to side knobs in backward wheel position.
    Tire casing width is 78mm, knob shoulder width is 77 mm. Profile is very good, compared to shaved gazzaloddis.
    Test ride and photos coming soon.

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    can't wait to try out my new fatbike setup! Gonna be awesome!

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    when cornering at speed, i bet those sidewalls and rim edges grip like mad.

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    26 x 3 KNARD on Marge Lite @ 15 psi

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    How far back in the dropout is it?
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    Is that 3.0 or 3.8?
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    shows 3.8 in picture #2

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    all the way & 3.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by genefruit View Post
    shows 3.8 in picture #2
    The zero has a line through it, so it kind of looks like an 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    The zero has a line through it, so it kind of looks like an 8.
    Yes, my apologizes.

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    Some pictures. Surly 1x1, Weinmann DHL-65 rims with 26x3 Knards.
    Exellent rolling, no self-steering effect, good tire-to-rim width ratio.
    Fatties Fits Tight: 3-4 mm clearance knobs to chainstay.
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    I think these tyres may make the 29er obsolete, and the 650B a pointless diversion.

    Or in the case of 650Bs, replace the 650B wheels with 26" with 3" Knards - if they fit.
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    What about frames for these tyres? Here in the UK do On One, Cotic, Dialled Love/Hate or anyone else make a frame equivalent to the 1x1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    What about frames for these tyres? Here in the UK do On One, Cotic, Dialled Love/Hate or anyone else make a frame equivalent to the 1x1?

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    Good point. UK frames often had more clearance to allow for the plentiful quantities of mud that bikes pick up here.

    Be worth measuring up some of the 26" frames with more generous clearances to see if the Knards or DW tyres would fit.

    Maybe get a new lease of life out of that old frame at the back of the shed that you've couldn't bring yourself to sell off.

    Edit: 2006 Voodoo Bokor doesn't fit.
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    Does anyone who has a knard still have a gazzaloddi?
    Any chance we could get an idea of how much narrower the knard might be on the same rim?
    My gazzi's knobs JUUUUST rub a little on my orange patriot, would be neat to know if the knard would give me the extra 2-3mm to prevent that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    What about frames for these tyres? Here in the UK do On One, Cotic, Dialled Love/Hate or anyone else make a frame equivalent to the 1x1?

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    I have On-One Inbred 26-er and it can't handle Knards, even on any thin rim.
    However it is compatible with 2.5 Hookworms on 65mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    Does anyone who has a knard still have a gazzaloddi?
    Any chance we could get an idea of how much narrower the knard might be on the same rim?
    My gazzi's knobs JUUUUST rub a little on my orange patriot, would be neat to know if the knard would give me the extra 2-3mm to prevent that.
    Have used Gazzaloddis before. Knards are wider then Gazzas at the knobs, and equals on the sidewalls.
    Rim outer width: 65mm
    Knob Shoulder Width: 68mm for Gazzaloddi, 77mm for Knard
    Max Casing Width: 78mm for Gazzaloddi and Knard

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    well crap. maybe I can't run them on the orange.
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    Velobike, did the Surly guys take photos of your bike at SS event recently? Looks like Salsa have a prototype F**luk on the go, cross between a Fargo and a Mukluk

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    this Dirt Wizard thread has some good info too
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    Velobike, did the Surly guys take photos of your bike at SS event recently? Looks like Salsa have a prototype F**luk on the go, cross between a Fargo and a Mukluk...
    I did beat their ears at length at both the Forth Fat and SSEC. However there may have been some incoherence involved. It would be nice to think that had some effect, but that bike would have needed a much longer lead time than that.

    Put it down to serendipity - which would be a nice name for it. A nice high headtube is a blessing for those of us who are not racing whippets, and the control you get from dropbars are great for lumpy downhills when you have rigid forks.
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    Any updates on this? Curious how 26 x 3.0 Knards work on any fatbike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromehorn View Post
    Any updates on this? Curious how 26 x 3.0 Knards work on any fatbike...
    I can tell you that 26 x 2.75" Dirt Wizards have a magic wand that transforms my 1x1 into something better than my bling 29er....






    Going to order the 3" Knards as soon as I see a set as actually being available for the wee bit extra for the 1x1, but may try them on the fatbike.
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    I would really be interested in seeing pics of and hearing about some first hand experiences of these on a fatbike. I don't know enough about a 1x1 to know how it would compare to a fatbike Velo, but it sounds as though you are equally curious if these tires will have a similar impact on your fatbike.

    Based on some of the pics in this thread, it looks like on Marge Lites, the diameter of 26 x 3.0 Knards might be roughly an inch less than a set of Larrys on Marge Lites. Depending on the trail, I guess that might not be a big issue. My only concern is that right now on my fatbike I get some occasional pedal strikes and these tires would obviously make them a more common occurrence. Any of you think that we will ever see 26 x 3.5-3.8 tires with a any kind of knobby tread on them get down to 1000 grams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromehorn View Post
    I would really be interested in seeing pics of and hearing about some first hand experiences of these on a fatbike. I don't know enough about a 1x1 to know how it would compare to a fatbike Velo, but it sounds as though you are equally curious if these tires will have a similar impact on your fatbike.

    Based on some of the pics in this thread, it looks like on Marge Lites, the diameter of 26 x 3.0 Knards might be roughly an inch less than a set of Larrys on Marge Lites. Depending on the trail, I guess that might not be a big issue. My only concern is that right now on my fatbike I get some occasional pedal strikes and these tires would obviously make them a more common occurrence. Any of you think that we will ever see 26 x 3.5-3.8 tires with a any kind of knobby tread on them get down to 1000 grams?
    I don't see 26x3" Knards on Surly's website, so I'm not holding my breath.
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    I don't see 26x3" Knards on Surly's website, so I'm not holding my breath.
    Interesting that they aren't up on the site yet. They've been available for a few weeks now. I've got a 26x3 Knard and an old school Large Marge on the front of my 1x1 right now.

    A buddy of mine has a pair of 26x3 Knards on Marge Lites on his Pug, and says it rips... great summer set-up by the sounds of it.

    According to the doc below, the radius of the 3.0 Knard should be roughly 7mm less than a 3.8 Knard:

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    Unless I'm reading that chart wrong, I'm not seeing that difference in size. Also noticed they call the 26+ Knards and no specs for them on a 65mm rim. Still, it looks like maybe a 1.5 cm difference from the 3.8 knard. This is getting interesting...
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    Unless I'm reading that chart wrong, I'm not seeing that difference in size. Also noticed they call the 26+ Knards and no specs for them on a 65mm rim. Still, it looks like maybe a 1.5 cm difference from the 3.8 knard. This is getting interesting...
    1.4cm difference in diameter means 7mm difference in radius. ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    1.4cm difference in diameter means 7mm difference in radius. ;-)


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    Doh! Should have paid more attention to your post. Radius / diameter, blah blah blah...



    Thanks for setting me straight.
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    My 26x3.0 knards has 710mm diameter on 65mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Interesting that they aren't up on the site yet. They've been available for a few weeks now. I've got a 26x3 Knard and an old school Large Marge on the front of my 1x1 right now....
    Thanks.

    Good to hear that they are not like unicorn horn powder and actually exist.

    I'll go in and harass my lbs for a set.

    My 1x1 is ancient (1998) and I thought its days were over after experiencing the joys of first 29ers and then fatbikes. Basically fatbikes have put me off riding around on what seems like horribly skinny tyres even on my 29er. The DWs have transformed the bike, and hopefully the Knards will be even better.

    Many of the fatbikers I know have had a 1x1, and often still have the frame hanging around. I think rather than buy a 29er+ or even get a wheelset for your fatbike, the trick is to go 26+. It's an amazing transformation, and old 1x1s are cheap enough to buy. The 1x1 becomes a great summer bike with the fatter tyres.
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    Just threw a pair on my Duallys for my troll. Cleared fine and seem to be fast rolling and cushy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nate.2346 View Post
    Just threw a pair on my Duallys for my troll. Cleared fine and seem to be fast rolling and cushy.
    Nice looking drops... What are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Going to order the 3" Knards as soon as I see a set as actually being available for the wee bit extra for the 1x1, but may try them on the fatbike.
    Did you try the Knards on your 1x1?

    I am thinking of getting one of the new pepto colored 1x1 framesets and building it with the NoTubes Hugo 52 wheelset and Knard 26x3 tires.

    Will that wheel/tire combo work on the 1x1. I am a little concerned because the Surly website lists 26x2.75 as the max tire size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdwhitey View Post
    Did you try the Knards on your 1x1?

    Will that wheel/tire combo work on the 1x1. I am a little concerned because the Surly website lists 26x2.75 as the max tire size.
    Haven't seen a set available in the UK yet, so I haven't tried them unfortunately.

    When it comes to fitting wider tyres, I believe there's a bit more clearance on the earlier 1x1s. Maybe someone can confirm/negate this.
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    I also read that you need the earlier frame to fit 3" tyres.

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    I have used 26x3 Knards with 65mm rims on old-style 1x1, they works very good with 3mm clearance from chainstays.
    Really bad thing about Knards is that sidewalls have worn out very fast at the contacting with rim area. After one and half month and less then thousand miles they have become absolutely unusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    I have used 26x3 Knards with 65mm rims on old-style 1x1, they works very good with 3mm clearance from chainstays.
    Really bad thing about Knards is that sidewalls have worn out very fast at the contacting with rim area. After one and half month and less then thousand miles they have become absolutely unusable.
    Interesting. What pressures were you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Interesting. What pressures were you running?

    Warranty?
    I sent a letter to Eric (SmartBikeParts, where I bought the Knards) with all the details and photos. Hope he can help me with Surly warranty.
    Pressures range from 15 to 25 psi. I have not had to experience ultra-soft conditions during so short period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    I sent a letter to Eric (SmartBikeParts, where I bought the Knards) with all the details and photos. Hope he can help me with Surly warranty.
    Pressures range from 15 to 25 psi. I have not had to experience ultra-soft conditions during so short period.
    Thanks. Good to know that.

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    Anyone fit these into a Soma B-Side (650b) frame? I would like to run a lightish steel frame with 26x3" tires, and the Soma looks nicer than a 1x1 for my needs. So far, no one has been able to tell me if a knard fits. Dirt wizards definitely do fit.

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    You dont need the older 1x1 frame to fit theses tires. These are 3.0 Knards on 65mm Marge Lites (medium frame)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by L4NE4 View Post
    You dont need the older 1x1 frame to fit theses tires. These are 3.0 Knards on 65mm Marge Lites (medium frame)...
    I'm experiencing occasional rubbage on the seat stays, with the same setup. Rim is not far off true, tire bead is set. Probably the slight imperfections here and there. Running about 15-20psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L4NE4 View Post
    You dont need the older 1x1 frame to fit theses tires. These are 3.0 Knards on 65mm Marge Lites (medium frame)...

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    you trim any of the side knards off? i have a dually knard combo on a 2014 surly 1x1 and i'm getting rubbing because the tire isn't round!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    I sent a letter to Eric (SmartBikeParts, where I bought the Knards) with all the details and photos. Hope he can help me with Surly warranty.
    Pressures range from 15 to 25 psi. I have not had to experience ultra-soft conditions during so short period.
    Next part of the story. Big Thanks to Eric from smartbikeparts, he sent me new pair of knards as a warranty replacement. Here is my request: Egor Ivanov Warranty Request
    I have waited for the winter before putting them on the bike. Started from mid december, have weared rear tire after 500 mi. Problem is the same: continous wear (around all the wheel) at sidewalls near the bead, where tire contacts with rim edge.
    My conclusion: the tires is not usable at all, at least in "120 tpi" version. I would be happy to see some more reliable version of 26x3 knards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Bigger isn't always better
    Same argument applies to 29 vs 650 etc.....

    which is how I wound up here! I am (was, I have no idea now) looking for a single speed 650b. The geared 29er hardtail just isn't fun. Bigger wasn't better.

    SO I thought I wanted the Gravity 650b ss over the Nashbar bees knees. I now see a Gravity 2015 Deadeye 26x3 (they say it fits up to 3.5").

    Most of my bicycle riding is road as far as roads go, I'll stay with my 700x28's all winter. maybe a 700x37 Continental Top Contact Winter II.


    this singlespeed 650b thing is just suppose to be a cheap, fun, low maintenance year round riding. I have always wanted a fat bike. But not sure.

    Could it get any better than having 1 bike that will take a 26x3, or slapping on a wheel set with Racing Ralph 27.5's mounted up? Or do I just throw on DW's and call it good, and ride it year round?

    regardless $300 shipped plus what ever Knards or Dirt wizards will cost.... Not to shabby investment for Fun!

    the real question is do I want....
    27.5 x 2.2
    or 26x 2.4 - 3"

    How big of a difference will a Knard 3" or DW 2.75" make on snow? Is the cush that make more fun for dirt riding?
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    Anyone know how these tires fit on the original Rat Ride on 44mm Snowcat rims?

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    So what is the real difference between Knard and Dirt Wizard?

    Besides the Tapered lugs vs Squared knobs, and being 1/4" wider for the Knard 26x3.

    I know the DW comes in a 27tpi, which I believe equates to being able to run lower PSI? Not sure If I like the flat tire feel though from my experience on a 29er 2.1. I think I run 20-30psi. I might have ran less psi in winter. So maybe that is advantage of 27 tpi?
    Then again, everything a bike with these 26x3 tires would ride, I've ridden on 700x28's slicks including in snow. the 29er was fun until the snow froze. Or until I had tracks from previous day that I'd fall into and which made it impossible to ride for a week.

    Can I expect the same with a 3" tire ?? If so then maybe I want the DW, or even less. If I go with the $300 Gravity deadeye SS. It has 50mm holed wheels.
    I am Ohio its not like we get much snow. Off road snow riding is very limited also.

    so along with mindset of bigger is not always better... Do I really want the Knards?

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    About the Knards 3.0 on Rolling Darryls, here is the answer direct from The Official Intergalactic Surly Regional HQ :
    "Yes, you can run the Knard tire on the Rolling Darryl rims, and it will fit safely. It will flatten the tire out a bit more than intended, so the handling may be a little different than you’re used to, but it will work."

    So... yes, it works but I pinched on a rock garden on my first ride. On smooth single tracks, it's Ok.


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    Got me some today and went for a ride. Just right for these dry sandy roads!


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    Tunalic, looks like you can fit 3.8's or better. Curious as to why 3 over 3.8 ?

    Oh and I buzzed through the rest of your pictures. Loved the turtle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclinglymie View Post
    Tunalic, looks like you can fit 3.8's or better. Curious as to why 3 over 3.8 ?

    Oh and I buzzed through the rest of your pictures. Loved the turtle!
    I've fitted Floaters, Vee 8s, and Black Floyds. Thought of getting a 29er wheel set but got these light weights instead (on Origin 8 60mm rims). I believe they are less than 900g. It's right at 29lbs...not too bad it being a steel frame, fork and a Brooks saddle.

    I can't remember the last time I came across a Gopher Tortoise this big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    My conclusion: the tires is not usable at all, at least in "120 tpi" version. I would be happy to see some more reliable version of 26x3 knards.
    UPD: Problem fixed.
    Had some success with 10mm-width rubber strips (cutted from old tube), glued to weared areas on the two front tires that has less damage then rears.
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