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    2006Pugs vs 2011 pgs

    Hi all

    I have got the rare opportunity to buy a barely used ( display and test use only) 2006 (?) purple Pugs, including wheelset Surly hubs, LMs, Endos,

    Can someybody list the differences / updates of a 2011 pugs frame vs that old one?
    Are there any differences framewise?
    Does anybody had durability issues etc?




    thanks for your help in advance!

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    I'd have to check to be specific, but owning a Barney Pug, and having built several generations since, including several 2011 this year, any differences are very minor. Like a TT/ST brace for better standover.

    No change in tubing, gauge, durability etc that I can see.

    If you don't buy it, you'll kick yourself.

    The Endo's gotta go if you're planning on anything other than a bit of fun knocking around on the trails. Tire tread tech is what has progressed, with the improvements being HUGE in the last two years.
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    If you don't want it I''ll gladly have it, should be a 18 or 20'' frame that is!
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    starting with the snowwhite frame they lowered the TT so that stand over was easier. This moved me from a 16" into an 18" frame.

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    Thank you all for the infos!!

    the tires will have to go ´cause they seem to be a little bit cracky around the knobs and at the sidewalls.
    Size is L and my is 183 cm, testriding was ok for me, I will check standover height tomorrow....

    thank you all for the inputs....

    its mine, my precious... an dI will share pics!

    hihi

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    Quote Originally Posted by girgl View Post
    Hi all

    I have got the rare opportunity to buy a barely used ( display and test use only) 2006 (?) purple Pugs, including wheelset Surly hubs, LMs, Endos,

    Can someybody list the differences / updates of a 2011 pugs frame vs that old one?
    Are there any differences framewise?
    Does anybody had durability issues etc?




    thanks for your help in advance!

    G.


    Go for it. The Purple Pugs is a classic. No practical difference between the 2011 and the 2006. As noted above you want to try some different rubber, but lots of Pugs are happily rolling on Endos so they don't have to be thrown in the trash.

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    They killed off the canti studs = more clearance for wider wheels.

    Didn't they also relocate the rear brake mount to make removing the rear wheel easier?

    Congratulations on a rare find!

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    Isn't there some difference with the rear caliper mounting? I do know that you lose the canti studs on the 2011.

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    I've never seen a Pugs with canti brakes. I do use my canti-studs to mount my OMM racks, but I could do fine without them.



    My Pugs is a 2008/2009 model. The brake mounts look different. Can't say I've had any issues removing the rear wheel.
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    mostly what others have pointed out here...

    for what it's worth, the old catalogs (with descriptions) are all available here:

    The Information Hole | Surly Bikes

    That said, there are some differences

    • dropped tt
    • rear brake mount
    • removed canti studs
    • cable runs UNDER the top tube


    One other that Thor confirmed for me when discussing adding s&s couplings is that in 2011, the pugs got it's own dedicated tubeset and the butting is designed for it, so the tubeset, and thus the frame, is in fact lighter than in years past.

    But that said, the purple pug is classic and probably worth what they are asking for it. Get it. Ride the piss outta it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post
    mostly what others have pointed out here...

    for what it's worth, the old catalogs (with descriptions) are all available here:

    The Information Hole | Surly Bikes

    That said, there are some differences

    • dropped tt
    • rear brake mount
    • removed canti studs
    • cable runs UNDER the top tube


    One other that Thor confirmed for me when discussing adding s&s couplings is that in 2011, the pugs got it's own dedicated tubeset and the butting is designed for it, so the tubeset, and thus the frame, is in fact lighter than in years past.

    But that said, the purple pug is classic and probably worth what they are asking for it. Get it. Ride the piss outta it.



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    Thanks for posting that. I didn't know about the different tube set. The 18" 2007 Pugs is listed as 5.66lbs and the 2011 as 5.6lbs. So that change probably wasn't significant in terms of weight, but it might make the ride more lively if the new tubes have a thinner wall thickness.
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    I've got a purple frame that I repainted. I found a good use for the canti mounts. I use them as tie offs to secure my bike when transporting. Works well. Since I'm not getting BFL there's no tire problems. Not sure what version of brake mounts are better, but I like the way mine are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girgl View Post
    Thank you all for the infos!!

    the tires will have to go ´cause they seem to be a little bit cracky around the knobs and at the sidewalls.
    Are they skinwall/gumwall Endos? They might have some value to the oldskool fat cruiser guys...

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    heya, that thread seems to have its own life...

    finally got her home, pretty in purple
    and for a reasonable price, less than a pair of wheels and a frame would cost new.

    so what´s her dress:
    (pictures will follow, just gonna make your mouth water)
    name: M5101707
    frame: purpleeeee
    front wheel: LM, Surly hub, endos ( sorry slimhazy, not the gumwall ones..)
    rear end: hub is black...LM, endo, a set of different kind sprockets incl. 34t, still in good shape
    rear derail: deore
    front derail: XT, thats an old on... but works fine
    front brake: Hayes HFX9 V8", (btw, is that size approved?)
    rear : Hayes HFX9 V7"
    shimano cables inner & outer, sealed
    Sram attack shifters
    White spank bar
    white platform pedals, make??
    ritchey silver seatpost and blue flite


    thats it for now, my redemption is reporting a missing white bar and a complete set of brakes, her neighbor 'Iboc complains about a brutal attack leaving her bruised and in need of a fitting seatpost and saddle

    thanks again for all your inputs


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    finally ready for the trail , as posted in the dayly pic thread with some more,.
    Does somebody has a better solution than to use tie straps for fixing the cables?
    The plastic u-clips are too wide to give a good retention with the Shimano SIS shift cables


    cheers and thanks you all for really making that decision easier!!


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    I don't mind the zip ties at all, but if they bug you then you can use electrical tape coloured matched to your bike or velcro which is reusable.

    BTW - love the purple pugs - good work...
    Safe riding,

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    I've been using copper safety wire for a while now (I'm a former aircraft maintainer...I've got to safety wire something every now and then). I started using the copper because it looks cool and is soft enough I could undo things with cold fingers if need be. I found myself breaking zip ties in really cold weather, the wire does not have that problem.
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