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    EVIL Sovereign stoke

    As promised, here are some ride shots from yesterday on the EVIL Sov.

    No complaints, I am really loving this frame!
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    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    squishy frame for sale CHECK
    order Evil Sovereign by end of week CHECK
    frame sold CHECK
    frame ordered CHECK
    all required parts to build CHECK
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    Nice pics!

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    Sweets shots!

    There has always been something special about a steel hardtail IMO.

    Evil knows no bounds!

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    Nice! I hope I can get similar pics with my TransAM.

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    Nice pics! Haven't touched the fs rig since I got my trans AM. I know what you're feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbgoring
    Nice pics! Haven't touched the fs rig since I got my trans AM. I know what you're feeling.
    same here lol!

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    Got any still shots of that rig?
    Looks good nice riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNW Freeride
    Got any still shots of that rig?
    Looks good nice riding
    Only thing currently different from the pic is the stem. I swapped the short syncros riser to a sunline 65mm zero rise.
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    ^^And that is my inspiration for buying a Sov.

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    Damn, i just ordered a new wheelset for the black Yeti. Kinda wish I'd gone with white rims now. Looks sick!

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    White Sovereign

    Just mine finished this week and i'm test riding it this weekend.
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    Here's another that's just been built! I went for a black and red theme:








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    Nice, guys!

    Go get those Sovs dirty!
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    Jubilee did I notice that you took your head badge off?

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    I've got a red theme on my Black Sov going too. Hope to buy the fork next month then will have to decide on a nw wheelset or fr.wheel or just a new hub for my current cheaper wheelset (still holding up from a year of riding reasonably hard).. Have a RaceFace Respond post & red Hope QR clamp already.

    When it's finally together, it'll have some cheap parts from my Speesh but as long as I'm riding, cheap is ok until later!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Jubilee did I notice that you took your head badge off?
    Nope, I hadn't put it on yet in that pic. The frame comes with 2 different ones.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Now that is how to ride a steel hardtail. Nice pics jubilee.
    "Being smart and fit is expensive, but not as expensive as being fat and dumb" - 9.8m/s/s

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    Finally was able to get mine dirty yesterday on a pristine day at the Wiss. Overall, I was very impressed. Flies downhill faster than I expected and climbs just as well. Very flickable. Only on really techy stuff did I notice the lack of rear suspension. Definitely needs wider bars though. Something between 28" and 29" should do the trick. Anyone interested in a new Easton Monkeylite XC with only 1 ride on the cheap send me a PM.
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    Cool bike
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    Anybody got one of the older 853 Sov's?

    Im waiting for mine to come and want to see pics etc of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller
    Finally was able to get mine dirty yesterday on a pristine day at the Wiss. Overall, I was very impressed. Flies downhill faster than I expected and climbs just as well. Very flickable. Only on really techy stuff did I notice the lack of rear suspension. Definitely needs wider bars though. Something between 28" and 29" should do the trick. Anyone interested in a new Easton Monkeylite XC with only 1 ride on the cheap send me a PM.
    Glad the snow finally cleared and you were able to test the steed!

    I am running 28.25" (718mm) bars on my medium Sov with ODI lock ons. Personally I would have preferred 28.75" (730mm) to take into account the space occupied by the metal binding rings that take away from actual effective grip width. Might seem insignificant to some, but I notice the difference. Worth the consideration.

    Lovely collection of Sovs btw!

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    Dirty Sov

    My new sov after a good ride at weekend very muddy but performed perfect the raceface bars were mybe too long at 785mm
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    Schweet!

    Nice to see some dirty bikes.
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    NICELY DONE JOKER! I just got my Evil ordered today should have it by Friday and built by Saturday morning riding by the afternoon if I am over my cold. Large Black Sovereign on my mind until then.

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    What does one of those weigh? I love the simplicity of the lines! Great looking!

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    Good Folks at Evil!

    I got my Sovereign built up in December (pictures soon). I'd been looking for an all purpose hardtail that was built for all-around fun. Something with snappy geometry, a sturdy build, and the ability to run a chainguide. I tried a few other frames with mixed results. I went out on a limb and bought the Sovereign site unseen. In all honesty, the purchase was based primarily on the reputation of the first generation Sovereigns that were highly regarded and very hard to find. We've all lucked out that the Sovereign is back because its a fantastic bike! But thats not why I'm writing...

    I'm writing because I've interacted with the folks from the new Evil Bikes a few times via email and I have to say they have been great. Very quick responses, very helpful. There are a few companies out there that really seem to make a point to take care of their customers. I'm getting the feeling that Evil is on that list.

    Nice bikes, Nice people. Whats not to like?

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    CLAW, I can confirm from personal experience that the guys at Evil are awesome to deal with and try very hard to make the customer happy.
    In my case they went above and beyond what I expected them to do. I will very much be a repeat customer.
    Selling my Sovereign. Check it out
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    Here's my 1st generation 853 Sovereign hanging at the backyard track... kind of a street/dj/xc build with a 32/18... and it rips as much as ever! Love this bike

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    Nice looking build. I'd imagine your sovereign kills it on that pumptrack.

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    enicma: Are you running those Pikes at 100mm? What does it ride like when you prop them up to 140mm?

    Just waiting for my 853 and I will be putting Pikes on it.

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    Not new but I just dumped the gears yesterday and got it set up for ss.

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    Glad you dig the build It definitely does kill it on the pumptrack

    I am running the Pike at 95mm for dj/street duty, and it's nice & sharp & low. Also climbs noticeably better in this setting, though I must say climbing is not the strong point of this bike. With the Pike @140 the head angle drops to 67.5-68 or so, and the BB feels pretty high - it feels very capable bombing down the steepest, rockiest trails around here. At 120mm it's pretty well behaved for general trail riding with some jumps & drops thrown in. All in all it's probably a tad steeper than the newest crop of AM frames, but it works for me

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    Just built mine up. First ride is tomorrow morning. Really looking forward to it!.




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    Mmmmmmhh the sexynessss.

    Mine will be another month until it's complete.
    Selling my Sovereign. Check it out
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    Has Evil made new stickers?!?

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    I am your boss,do i pay you to build bikes in the office???,Very nice bike by the way.

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    This thread is bad ass.

    Need to rebuild my fork, then it's back on the Sov for me.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Bad Ass & Very Frustrating! Need new wheelset & then the fork before my Sov. is built up. Atomlab rims are next...

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    /cries FEDEX didnt deliver my frame today I hate FEDEX. (untill tomorrow when it shows up)

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    where can I order one? seriously im in

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    Contact these guys and they'll hook you up.
    Selling my Sovereign. Check it out
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    Hope it was nine that tipped you over the edge.

    I cant wait to get back out on it! Loving the Sov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromejesus
    Not new but I just dumped the gears yesterday and got it set up for ss.
    What bars are these?

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    Frame weight

    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike
    What does one of those weigh? I love the simplicity of the lines! Great looking!
    Just had my large 2010 Soverign frame (with dropouts installed) on the scale and it came out to 6.2 pounds (US). Just got it built with a temporary back wheel. Not much ride time yet and trying to dial in the fit.

    I am 6'1" and 32" inseam. It feels good with 150mm 32 Fox Float and Easton DH carbon bars (high rise). Tried a 70mm x 0 degree Thompson with a 15mm shim stack and it felt too compact The reach (post to stem) on this bike is 1" shorter than my large Ellsworth Moment. Have also tried a 90x10 Thompson stem w/15mm spacers and it was better. Still difficult to pull the front end up with no power at the pedals. Plan to space a 80x0 up at around 30+mm and see how that works

    It is great to own a hardtail trailbike again!
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    i want one of these so bad i may just have to buy one when the funds finally become avaiable
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    Another Sovereign Build:

    Finally got some photos...
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    Dang, this thread is making me really miss my old-body-style Sovereign. Here's an old shot of it:


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    The Sovereign is a killer bike...I loved mine!



    It was the inspiration to build my current HT:



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    wow,.....

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    Lovely bikes!

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    Thought I would post a couple of mine now I have ridden it a few times.







    Running it at the moment with the longest possible wheelbase but I am planning on shortening it up quite a bit to see how it changes the handling. It feels so fast and is probably one of the smoothest HTs I have ridden (with the possible exemption of the Cotic Soul) I bloody love this bike and am so glad that I got it. I've been riding it more than my Pitch and over a lot of the local terrain it feels as fast if not faster at times.

    Fantastic bikes.

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    Here's my 2006 frame, before I sold it to a very happy buyer in France.

    I loved the Sov on the trail, but was not riding it the way it was meant to be ridden (too much XC, not enough AM).
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    Bad Knees, I am running mine in the longest wheel base but on purpose. I found that the middle and shortest settings were extremely "twitchy" feeling to me and the ride was rougher. So I went with the longest wheel base and its perfect for me.

    I will get pics up soon but I have to say I just put it through a 20+ miler on Saturday and it rode supremely well. Its not a climber in my book but when I point it down hill it wants to fly. It was scary how smooth it is on all but the most technical sections- I did tip-toe through a couple of spots that scared me with my old 2008 Dawg as well.

    But I am very satisfied with the Sovereign EXCEPT one thing. The top tubes are shorter than I ws used to - of course that could be why I could rip it in the tight stuff so well. I have a KS i900r on order with .5" offset so that will give me a little more room, of course I use a Big Earl 50mm stem so maybe moving to a 60mm like Jubilee might also help.

    But there really is not much I could wish for with this frame. Maybe a lighter wheelset to go with it take a few pounds off.

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    I also found the top tube on my large frame a bit short when using a Titec 60mm stem. I then went for an 80mm and it was perfect. It was an ideal excuse to upgrade to a Thomson!
    I love the bike though, it's ideal for what I want and is capable of far more than the kind of riding I do. I can't think of any reason why I would ever need to change it.

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    More stoke!!

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    Golden lab following behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Golden lab following behind?
    Nope! White boxer.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Nope! White boxer.

    Awesome- love your trails too. Way jealous- I am in soon to be brown out SoCal-

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    ...Its not a climber in my book ...
    Sorry guys I wanted to clarify my comment that the Sov is not a climber- I had a few people ask me about that. Lets put it in a comparison of not a climber when compared to a more XC orriented climber but its a good ALL MTN hard tail climber. Very capable, but slack HTA and build for rugid use is not going to win the hill climb for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Sorry guys I wanted to clarify my comment that the Sov is not a climber- I had a few people ask me about that. Lets put it in a comparison of not a climber when compared to a more XC orriented climber but its a good ALL MTN hard tail climber. Very capable, but slack HTA and build for rugid use is not going to win the hill climb for you.
    Mine climbs really well. Then again, I have mine setup rather neutral so it can excel at everything. its not so much the frame, but rather how you set it up. any bike with a 50mm stem and 160mm fork is not going to be the best climber. I'd have to drive a couple of hours and buy a lift ticket to find the kind of terrain that Jubilee rides, so I have it set up for the rolling hills that are my stomping grounds, where it does a fine job of shredding. no, mine's not going to win any hill climbs either, but that's more a fault of the rider than the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller
    Mine climbs really well. Then again, I have mine setup rather neutral so it can excel at everything. its not so much the frame, but rather how you set it up. any bike with a 50mm stem and 160mm fork is not going to be the best climber. I'd have to drive a couple of hours and buy a lift ticket to find the kind of terrain that Jubilee rides, so I have it set up for the rolling hills that are my stomping grounds, where it does a fine job of shredding. no, mine's not going to win any hill climbs either, but that's more a fault of the rider than the bike.

    Also very true- and I like it slack with a 145-150mm fork and a 50-60mm stem. Its just so uncomfortable for me to ride otherwise. Of course the 20lbs I should lose helps make it a tad slower going up (but thats rider error )

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLAW
    Finally got some photos...

    Thumb shifter on the left- nice touch. Indexed or friction?

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    any shots of the pooch hitting the drop?

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    Pic

    Hey guys I finally got a decent shot of my Sovereign. Its a great ride- really very happy I got it. I am most likely going to change a few things- go to a 60mm stem wider bars as I try to dial in the cockpit. It feels good where its at but I have a few sets of bars and stems to try out yet. Enjoy.

    Oh yeah gratuitous parts list:
    Large Evil Sov (black- cuz its beautiful)
    Forte Loco Wheelset w/20mm TA (heavy but tough and for the price I had to pick them up)
    Geax Sturdy 2.1 Wire bead tires (cheap all i could afford last time- running ghetto tubeless- looking at some Conti Gravity 2.3s)
    Pricepoint seatpost untill KS i900r comes in
    WTB Saddle Speed v or Pure v (forget)
    Elixir 5's 6" rotors- so much stopping power for the size and price
    Deity bars (29")
    Big Earl 50mm stem
    Manitou Nixon 145mm (infinite travel adjust was great on my full squishie dont need it on this)
    SLX 32-22 with bash (stellar crankset- one of th e best I have used so far)
    SLX front mech
    XO Grip Shift
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    edit: Dont mind the photo date- the camera is a little messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    It was the inspiration to build my current HT:

    dude, seriously...why would you take a perfectly good Sovereign-type design and ruin the concept built around poseur circus wheels? I wouldn't be caught dead on a 29er like that

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    What? I think that tractor's sexy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller
    any shots of the pooch hitting the drop?
    Yeh, I have one somewhere!
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    Couple of updates from Shimano, Mavic, Thomson, WTB... It should be around 28.2 lbs.


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    Will one of you guys post up the seat tube diameter on the new sovs?

    I'm at work and our firewall won't let me look at the fancy EVIL website.

    I still love my sov but the supplied seatpost clamp is balls...loosens up every ride!

    Gonna order a Hope or Chromag today if I can get the info...

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    31.6 Seatpost Diameter
    34.9 Seat Tube Diameter

    I had the same issue- I finally got it tight enough so its working good but not sure how much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    31.6 Seatpost Diameter
    34.9 Seat Tube Diameter

    I had the same issue- I finally got it tight enough so its working good but not sure how much longer.
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I wouldn't be caught dead on a 29er like that
    We shall see!


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    Evil Clan (right before I left the country) one Large 09 Sov, Med 09 Sov and a old school DOC out together on a muddy ride.
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    More stoke!!

    Photo credit goes to FM. Jumping fun at the Duthie Hill bike park grand opening last Sat.
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    You switched forks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw
    You switched forks?
    Yeah, good eye!

    Still a 36 talas though. Sending the full suss trail bike in for an overhaul, and the '07 36 that was on the Sov needed an overhaul as well. Put the '08 (or '09?...can't remember) 36 on the Sov to keep it rolling.

    I'm thinking of putting a new 36 float on it....we'll see how this weekend goes. Taking it on a trip to do some decent climbs. If I don't feel the need to lower the fork I'll try for the float.
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    I am running RS Team dual airs set at 150mm on the Sov now. Its fine for XC and light AM trails but have bottomed it out on several occasions when being a little too over ambitious on drops and rocky decents. Despite the 32mm'ers though, fork flex was minimal. With your 36mm'ers, you ought not to have any issues. The new kashima proprietary coating on the 2011 Fox fork line does look spiffy!

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    I'm strongly considering a Sovereign. Can anyone see anything wrong with getting one built up like this?

    Frame: Evil Soveriegn
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    Brakes: Shimano XTR
    Rims: Mavic XM819
    Front Hub: Shimano XTR 20mm
    Rear Hub: Shimano Alfine 11
    Headset: Cane Creek 110
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    I don't see how one could go wrong with the sov. It's so versatile. Xc machine, singlespeed, freeride hardtail.

    Sure, it is spendy. But you only need to buy one, one time. It's a winner in my book.

    Heading out for some decent climbing tomorrow morning. Will let you guys know how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I'm strongly considering a Sovereign. Can anyone see anything wrong with getting one built up like this?
    Nothing wrong with that build on any hardail XC/AM frame actually. One thing great about a Sovereign is in it its versatility. Having said that, this is a Sov thread so chances are you will only hear good things about the frame platform here.

    My only gripe has to do with durability of the paint work. It's not bad, but for the mula shelled out, I did expect it to be better. At the end of the day though, it boils down to function before fashion. You can always respray a frame but its just about impossible to reframe a frame.

    Consider less, commit more. You will be a happy you did!

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    Like a modern day EWR.(although ewr are building again)

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    Did a little over an hour's worth of singletrack climbing today.

    There were a couple steep tech spots where the front end wanted to wander, but keeping the fork at 160mm wasn't an issue overall. The limiting factor today was my conditioning...too much jump park and too little fitness/climbing!

    Here's a pic from the top of the trail in Coeur dAlene ID. I have to admit this frame REALLY shines on the way back down...I'm so tempted to take it to Whistler bike park after today's sustained downhill!

    Hoping to hit up some good freeride/jump trails in Bellingham later in the week, weather permitting.
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    looking to buy evil frame

    looking to buy a evil frame but crc say's only ships within eu, so where can i get one in the usa? thanks....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhigdon101
    looking to buy a evil frame but crc say's only ships within eu, so where can i get one in the usa? thanks....
    Contact evil at [email protected] they will help you out. If they can't find a dealer near you they'll just ship it directly to you.
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    Gabe is a great guy at Evil- put my order together quickly becuase I had no dealers in my area. Loving my SOV right now- but now I am considering a hard tail 29er but no one makes a Sovereign type 29er out of the box. Do they? I couldn't find it. Vassago look good but not as Burly. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Gabe is a great guy at Evil- put my order together quickly becuase I had no dealers in my area. Loving my SOV right now- but now I am considering a hard tail 29er but no one makes a Sovereign type 29er out of the box. Do they? I couldn't find it. Vassago look good but not as Burly. Oh well.
    Do a search for FoShizzle's latest posts, you probably won't be disappointed by what you find!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Gabe is a great guy at Evil- put my order together quickly becuase I had no dealers in my area. Loving my SOV right now- but now I am considering a hard tail 29er but no one makes a Sovereign type 29er out of the box. Do they? I couldn't find it. Vassago look good but not as Burly. Oh well.
    Just Ghey is right...honestly, this is by far THE raddest bike i have ever ridden, and this is 29er flavor even though the freaking chainstays are shorter than most 26er hardtails! specifically, 16.5" though i run them at 16.75" for overall preference

    the builder is by far the best steel frame builder in the whole wide world, Steve Stickel of By:Stickel bikes (goes by D.F.L. on mtbr)

    Bike is Hammerschmidt ready, with HS cables guides along the downtube, but I opted for dedicated SS for this one but of course can run gears out back as well if one so chooses. Post #51 shows previous owner who did run the HS, and who i have to admit is the brains behind this bike's geometry as i bought frame from him

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    More stoke from Germany!

    My baby all updated. Will post a better pic when camera gets here.



    Will be picking up 2011 Fox 36 Talas sooner or later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    Couple of updates from Shimano, Mavic, Thomson, WTB... It should be around 28.2 lbs.


    Stunning! Should have mine built up next week. I'll add some pics soon. SUPER STOKED!

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    Man I wish I had the legs to push a 1X9 because the Sov just looks so much cleaner without a front derailluer- or had the money to get a hammerschmidt.

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    give it a try!!!!!!!!

    I bet you'd be happily surprised at how much you don't need the other 18 gears

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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    I bet you'd be happily surprised at how much you don't need the other 18 gears

    I couldn't agree more. I went 1x9 on my trail bike and absolutely love it. With the new 10 speed cassettes coming out it will be even easier on those climbs with 36t cogs.

    I say too, just try it. If nothing else it will make you stronger.
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    some stoke aboard the Sovereign

    i did 2 weekends in a row at the amazing Allegrippis Trails in central PA. these trails absolutely rip and are incredibly fast. dangerously fast. some of the fastest trails i've ever ridden. and the Sov was ideal. the perfect bike for this place. i can't say enough about how well this thing rides. my Spot has been sitting in the garage gathering dust since I started riding the Sov.
    the vid quality isn't as good as it could be, but i couln't get it to uplaod without degrading the clarity a bit, so this'll have to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    Man I wish I had the legs to push a 1X9 because the Sov just looks so much cleaner without a front derailluer- or had the money to get a hammerschmidt.
    Single speed!

    With the right gearing you can do anything!
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    Is Evil still producing sovereigns ? Cause its not on their site
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightofthefleming
    Is Evil still producing sovereigns ? Cause its not on their site
    Yes they are.
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    like it how you even lined the tyre logos up. wicked bike mate

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    Just got mine.......

    Just got my soveriegn built today....shakedown ride tomorrow. One word...WOW!
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    Heres a blurry picture of me enjoying my Sovereign in Dupont State Forest.

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    Some riding from Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    Just got my soveriegn built today....shakedown ride tomorrow. One word...WOW!
    You got that built up fast! I am glad to see it arrived earlier than it was supposed to. Have fun with it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13
    You got that built up fast! I am glad to see it arrived earlier than it was supposed to. Have fun with it!

    THANKS AGAIN!!!!!! The frame and fork were even better than expected. Great dealing with you once again

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    Just got my soveriegn built today....shakedown ride tomorrow. One word...WOW!
    What gearing is on the Sov?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    What gearing is on the Sov?
    32 x 20....i need an 18, but this is what I had left from my previous bike, which was a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    32 x 20....i need an 18, but this is what I had left from my previous bike, which was a 29er.
    How can you even pedal?

    Im running a 36x18 and spin out on flat pavement in about 50 feet of causal pedaling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motormonkeyr6
    How can you even pedal?

    Im running a 36x18 and spin out on flat pavement in about 50 feet of causal pedaling!
    Ummm... Pavement?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motormonkeyr6
    How can you even pedal?

    Im running a 36x18 and spin out on flat pavement in about 50 feet of causal pedaling!

    LOL! Yeah, this Sovereign doesn't see much pavement time. Where I live there's honestly not much flat. Even with the 20T, I don't feel myself spinning out much at all, just on the few feet of flat sections that we have on the trails. I'm more of a spinner than a grunter when it comes to riding. If I was to ride a 36 x18, I would probably be getting knee replacements next week.

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    Hey there - really keen to get some advice from sovereign owners - feel free to shoot me down if I'm posting in the wrong place...first post on this forum.

    I'm 6'3" and ride almost the whole time on concrete. Am hard on bikes - break lots of components (even managed to snap a race face crank arm clean in half). Just like punting around being a goof mostly on concrete- bunny hopping and dropping off stuff to flat, small sets of steps, long wheelies etc....just being an idiot and having fun, treating bike like a big BMX. But am tall and once a week will take a normal and dull xc type ride with mates for wife for fitness and can't afford two bikes.

    5 years on a chameleon - size L - loved it. For some reason I still can't figure, built up a new chameleon 6 months ago - XL, high end build, hate it. Long and good handling, but not a play bike. Feels like a complete nightmare bunny hopping and manualling off stuff, got to wrestle the front up to get to that sweet balance point for doing stuff. (has short thomson stem, 140mm floats and its light). Just not the bike for me.

    So here goes....time for a new bike. Super keen to hear from some sovereign owners as to (a) whether this bike, size L, is going to suit my needs. Whats it like to bunny hop - does it feel like a brick? Or is every minute on it a blast....thats what I want. On the size L chameleon, you hardly had to lift your arse off the saddle to hop curbs etc at speed - and clearing something around a foot and a half just took some effort. Whats the sovereign like? (b) has anybody come from a chameleon to a sovereign? What did you like / not like better? Good decision or not?

    You're probably going to suggest a street specific frame....but as I said, it needs to do some "normal" duties as well - can't be at the back of the group looking like a circus clown.

    Thanks a heap for your advice.
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    I had an chameleon, the new one (size L, I am 6.2) build up with pike ...and sold it after one year.....it is a fantastic bike----but not for me, was not happy with it...dull rides..hated it at the end..
    since a while now I have an L sovereign (actual version) and can`t believe how much fun it is....easy to manual and perfect for the steep,techy,rocky stuff...which is my favorite playground...
    can`t wait to go out for the next ride...fantastic...

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    Hey - thats really helpful - thanks. That just about does it....

    How do you get on fit wise with the L? Do you notice the extra weight when you're riding (or just when you're carrying it)?

    Thanks again - feel free to let me know if this discussion belongs somewhere else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono111
    Hey - thats really helpful - thanks. That just about does it....

    How do you get on fit wise with the L? Do you notice the extra weight when you're riding (or just when you're carrying it)?

    Thanks again - feel free to let me know if this discussion belongs somewhere else....
    One of my best friends back home is rocking a XL Sov, he is 6'4"

    I might be afraid that Large would be a bit to small...
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    Thanks for the feedback...problem is I'm once bitten twice shy in terms of big frames now after the XL chameleon experience (when I thought I was doing the "right" thing). 5 years on the chameleon large = 18 inch seat tube - annoyed me for longer rides, but was way more fun for everything else....was hoping that the L sovereign (seat tube 18.9 I think?) would do the trick...unless you're saying the cockpit geometry is really tight apart from the seat tube length? For a guy who likes to ride frames small rather than big, am I missing something?

    Really appreciate the advice - life is too short to ride a bike you don't like, but its also too expensive to buy a new bike every 6 months!

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    I am 6' and my biggest gripe regarding the Sovereign is that it fits in every way except one: TOP TUBE LENGTH. They run on the short side in my opinion. I rock a Large frame- although I have a medium to medium-long torso the L top tube seems short so I have had to play with stem lengths and bar widths to get a good front end ballance.

    If I could go back I would get the XL. I am trying to sell my L to pick up an XL instead.

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    mmm..think thats right...I like short frames or better saying a bit too small frames....
    and my L is just right for me...
    the XL is worth thinking about...it will be different to the cham in any case...
    the weight is not an issue for me ..I don`t notice the difference.....

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    Nice rides guys!!! I've ridden 2 imperials, and a doc, and spent quite a bit of time on all of them. Never ridden a sov though, Im just waiting for the chance. IMO, the imperial is pretty much the sickest hardtail frame ever made though

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    Thanks for all the advice...need to have a proper think about this sizing now. Went to bed absolutely convinced that L was right, woke up with a question mark. Once I've got the thing built, will be sure to post.

    Cheers
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    I'm 5'11" and have a Large sovereign. IMHO, the Large would be way to small for you if you plan on using it for XC/AM use. As a jump bike you could get by with it. I'd really ponder long and hard about an XL. You're gonna love the bike regardless, I PROMISE

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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    LOL! Yeah, this Sovereign doesn't see much pavement time. Where I live there's honestly not much flat. Even with the 20T, I don't feel myself spinning out much at all, just on the few feet of flat sections that we have on the trails. I'm more of a spinner than a grunter when it comes to riding. If I was to ride a 36 x18, I would probably be getting knee replacements next week.

    speaking of blown knee~it's me it's me! thinking of going with a 30x24 gearing, what are your thoughts? will that be light enough for the torn acl rider in your area? cheers mate!
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    I just got my '11 32 TALAS RLC 140mm & need to get the lbs to rebuild my current wheel w/a Atomlab rim then my Medium Sov can be built up. August, most likely.

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    Hey - thanks a heap for all the feedback. Really apprecaite it.

    Today I spent two hours on my (now wife's) old L cham (man - how did I ride this for 5 years / oh, I forgot how much fun this bike is) then 2 hours on the XL cham (man, feels good to stretch out and you can carry sooo much more speed). Think its as simple as that.....two bikes into one don't fit, need to choose one route or the other.

    The only thing I'd love to know - if anybody is still awake - for those 6'0 - 6'2" guys on the L - is it a case of relying on the old 41cm thomson post to get enough leg extension - or do you get by with a normal post?

    Thanks again - and Stephen, that build looks sweet......

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    with 6.2 and long legs the thomson 410mm post fits perfect.....
    enough insertion to protect the frame for the ups .... and no problems to lower the saddle completely for the tricky downs.......
    (as it was with my cham due to bottle bosses on the seat tube....which I removed after the second ride.....)

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    im 5'11'' and i like a med. but i think it is a personal choice,i like to do urban,freeride,jumps,so i feel more aggressive on a med bike,i have rode a few large bikes,i dont feel like i cant huck nothing on one.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmackie
    speaking of blown knee~it's me it's me! thinking of going with a 30x24 gearing, what are your thoughts? will that be light enough for the torn acl rider in your area? cheers mate!

    i'd really have to recommend a 28 (front) 36 (rear) for your style of riding. i've seen it, and i really think this would limit the amount of pushing you constantly do.

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    I have a simple question, where can you find the sovereigns size charts, and price for the sovereign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmackie
    speaking of blown knee~it's me it's me! thinking of going with a 30x24 gearing, what are your thoughts? will that be light enough for the torn acl rider in your area? cheers mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmackie
    speaking of blown knee~it's me it's me! thinking of going with a 30x24 gearing, what are your thoughts? will that be light enough for the torn acl rider in your area? cheers mate!

    To tell you the truth, 30x24 is going to get really annoying, really fast on anything but a climb. I run 36x18 and I feel like a hamster in it's wheel on flat surfaces.

    If you're really concerned about bad knees and torn ACLs I'd strongly recommend going with a 1x9 geared setup or get a Hammerschmidt so you have at least a "high/low" type setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr13zehn
    To tell you the truth, 30x24 is going to get really annoying, really fast on anything but a climb. I run 36x18 and I feel like a hamster in it's wheel on flat surfaces.

    If you're really concerned about bad knees and torn ACLs I'd strongly recommend going with a 1x9 geared setup or get a Hammerschmidt so you have at least a "high/low" type setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono111
    Hey - thanks a heap for all the feedback. Really apprecaite it.

    Today I spent two hours on my (now wife's) old L cham (man - how did I ride this for 5 years / oh, I forgot how much fun this bike is) then 2 hours on the XL cham (man, feels good to stretch out and you can carry sooo much more speed). Think its as simple as that.....two bikes into one don't fit, need to choose one route or the other.

    The only thing I'd love to know - if anybody is still awake - for those 6'0 - 6'2" guys on the L - is it a case of relying on the old 41cm thomson post to get enough leg extension - or do you get by with a normal post?

    Thanks again - and Stephen, that build looks sweet......
    I have Two cents to add on frame sizing... I am 6'1" with long torso and I just sold my large 2010 Sov. (it is in the white one in the pictures above with the 150mm fork) For me the frame was too short. It felt good with a 90mm stem and 40mm of spacers but that compromised the steering at speed. I would recommend a XL and a shorter stem for a guy your size. One other thing that made a huge difference was the stem height. If I had the stem too low it was difficult to get the front wheel off of the ground. (felt like a brick) Once it was raised up with 40mm of spacers it was easy to lift the front of the bike. The raised stem really helped make the bike feel more playful and easy to throw around with wide Easton DH bars.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13
    ...a 90mm stem and 40mm of spacers ...
    Thats exactly what I had to do- I went from 50, 60,70 and now to a 90mm stem 8* rise and 40mm of spacers. I have the large frame and the shortish top tube put me in a situation that made me lengthen the stem and raise it for proper balance.

    But it rides really really well- good climbing- good technical handling- I think the XL frame would work better for me.

    The Sov rides so well right now though.

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    I'm 6'2" with L size Sov, 0 spacers and 70mm, 0 Thomson stem and it just fits great. Even when the rear wheel is at the longest chainstays setting, it's still a wheelie and bunny hop machine. Sounds like some of you guys are trying too hard to like the Sov, but it's not exactly working. Going for 90mm stem with (any) rise, spacers and XL frame just because of the top tube length sounds like XC sindrome. XL also comes with a 2" longer seat tube wich is not a good compromise if you're just chasing a longer top tube.

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    Well IVA that might be the case but there is no trying to like the Sov for me I love it and I like my bars at the same height as my seat if not a touch higher- my bars started at 32" width and I have now cut them down to 30" slowly- while trying different stem combos the whole time, I require at minimum 9* bends in my bars due to a broken thumb-

    Love the Sov but the truth is it has a short top tub for me personally so to get the right balance I had to go out a little longer on the stem than I would have wanted to for better all-around AM riding. One of the main reasons I ride with that set up is that I have broken my back and still have two SS rods and seven SS screws in my back (t10, t11, t12 all fused) and again it keeps me in a comfortable position for good climbing and good descending- well more than good descending really good descending.

    An XL would have fit better since I have a longer than normal torso- I have a 31inseem but I wear long fit suit jackets- my brohter is 6'5" and ALL torso...and with the longer top tube I could have run a shorter stem and still had the steering that comes with a shorter stem. So again I have had to experiment with a slightly longer stem but bars wide enough to slow down the steering-

    I just rode the Sov this weekend on a 15miler- all single track, technical all of it and I couldn't be happier and my riding position kept my back in the proper alignment and pain free.

    I ride Manitou Nixons 150mm- with travel adjust- which I havent had to use except on the STEEPEST climbs, I am going to remove 2 spacers and lower the bars just a bit and ride again to see how it feels since I felt just a bit weighted towards the back.

    This just me and how I like to ride- XC to me is having long and low stems- bars well below the seat, definitely not for me. But I would rther dial in the ride for my own comfort and riding style- and although I hate going out to a 90mm stem if I had the XL I could run the 50-60mm without feeling cramped and have the ride I wanted-

    Sorry so long winded- I will add some photos soon of what should be the last build out.

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    Well, that's another story. You didn't mention before all the heavy metal you have in your back. In that case, TransAM would be a better option for you. TA's L size is longer than Sov XL in the top tube area and has a slightly shorter seat tube and longer head tube to keep you more upright without too many spacers and long stem.

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    sovereign sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by resclusa
    I have a simple question, where can you find the sovereigns size charts, and price for the sovereign?
    Here ya go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A.
    Well, that's another story. You didn't mention before all the heavy metal you have in your back. In that case, TransAM would be a better option for you. TA's L size is longer than Sov XL in the top tube area and has a slightly shorter seat tube and longer head tube to keep you more upright without too many spacers and long stem.
    You are correct sir however- I get to ride a bike called Evil! C'mon I mean thats saying something....lol eeeeee-viiiiiiiil. I am actually hording parts for another HT build the XL Sov and the L Transam being the two choices.

    edit: Sorry to OP for hijacking thread ok back to Evil Sovereign Stoke.

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    Well mojojojoaf, I know what you mean...


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    UM IVA I am glad you didn't buy a huffy...LOL

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    My Frame should be here end of next week. This thread helped with my decision on what bike/frame I wanted to build. Thanks for all the great pictures and details.

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    here's my new baby!

    soon as the acl heals, i'll try and tear the other one on this!!!
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    Evil Sovereign...last configuration. The adjustable seat post rocks! Every hard tail should have an adjustable seat post.
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    ^OK I lied I went back to the 70mm stem... 90mm is just too much. 70mm perfect.

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    Over time my old Sovereign changed shape. Fantastic frame, only things to complain about was the tacky welding and frame weight. But you didnt care when riding it.

    Sold it 2 years ago but thinking of buying the new version and put hammerschmidts on there...












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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf
    You are correct sir however- I get to ride a bike called Evil! C'mon I mean thats saying something....lol eeeeee-viiiiiiiil. I am actually hording parts for another HT build the XL Sov and the L Transam being the two choices.

    edit: Sorry to OP for hijacking thread ok back to Evil Sovereign Stoke.
    Ha ha ha! Hey, no worries! I'm glad this thread is still alive and kicking.

    It's tuned into a great resource for those looking into the Sov, which certainly adds to the stoke.

    My Sov update: Basically still the same. 1x9 gearing... I did slap an old 2005 Sram XO rear derailleur on it for some bling and a little crisper shifting. Still just loving this bike! I agree with many that it can tend to feel a little cramped on long rides. My stem is 65mm with no rise and I think it's the perfect compromise between xc/am comfort and feeling confident on the dh/jumps/drops. I'm 5'10", 32" inseam...kinda long-ish torso I guess.

    The Sov now my only xc-able bike, as I've decided to part out my 2004 5 spot. The new full suss trail bike will very likely be a Knolly Endorphin. SO stoked to ride that bike! Until then, it's all about the hardtail, baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsnork
    Over time my old Sovereign changed shape. Fantastic frame, only things to complain about was the tacky welding and frame weight. But you didnt care when riding it.
    You'll be well pleased that the 2nd generation frame welds are clean and very nicely laid down in comparison - good penetration and even overlap.

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    I dropped my Sov off at the lbs so I'll have my new bike early next week.

    It'll be a mix of parts from my Speesh P1 AM + new parts by Fox, Atomlab, Raceface, Straitline, Hope, & E*13.

    I'll post pics/ride impressions next wk.

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    Picked up my Sov 2 hours ago & it looks great! Will hit trails tomorrow morn and will take a proper pic then.

    Riding in the street, it feels excellant. I thought it'd feel weird compared to my 19" Speesh P1 AM w/100mm Suntour fork, 70* HA, 73*SA but after a few minutes on it, it felt perfect. I like the way the Fox 32 Talas FIT 140mm fork feels too.

    The Sov weighs a bit less than the P1 AM too esp picking it up & hanging it up in the garage so that's def a +. Weight on the Sov feels like it's in the rear; front is very light.

    I told the lbs to put an extra spacer on to cut the fork & to put it on top of the stem but he left it underneath but the height feels fine. I'll try it lower later when I upgrade stem & bars.

    Super psyched!
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    Thoughts on My SOV:

    Lowered the stem & have had 3 rides on it at my local XC trails. Everything that has been said, is true! It's a blast & so much better than the Speesh P1 AM I started out on. It's a bit lighter, climbs easier at 140mm, & definitely inspires me to ride faster. Only thing that still feels a little weird is the higher BB but that allows me to pedal over more rocks n' roots.

    I don't have Photobucket & tinypic gave me trouble trying to load up a pic . Bike is the shop getting a broken spokes repaired after chain almost went over into the wheel. Never had that happen before...
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    There's my Sov after the first fall. Trail in the background actually goes UP so it's sitting on top of a sort of tabletop hill.

    I thought the image would be larger...

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    Turns out one speed is enough.


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    I think I've figured out the pic deal....

    Build Specs:

    Med. Sov. 2010 frame
    Fox 32 Talas FIT '11 140mm
    Hope Pro 2 15mm hub
    Atomlab Standard Pimplite front rim w/Geax Dhea 2.3 (custom cut black spokes/silver nipples look nice! built by my lbs)
    RaceFace Ride DH 2-ring/bash
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    Hope QR seat collar
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    Sram X9 fr der
    ODI Rogue grips
    BB7 brakes 6" rotors

    Those are the good parts. Bar, stem, shifters- Sram X4 & X5, rear der, 8-sp cass, & rear rim are off my Speesh P1 AM. This winter I'll have the rear wheel rebuilt w/Atomlab rim and hopefully, Hope hub. Later I'll switch fr rotor to 185mm along with wider bars & Chromag Ranger stem.
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    I'm curious about the weight of size large frames/builds.
    Anybody have an idea of the weight of their built setups?

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    ss 24.5lbs
    1x9 26.5 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by shalesjr
    ss 24.5lbs
    1x9 26.5 lbs

    i have been on this bike at raccoon mnt. just in the parking lot,but it feels light and it handles nicely!!!!!! but then again,i ride a 35 lbs bike too,

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    shalesjr, did you switch your stem from 0 degree to 10 degree rise?

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    I did switch it for a brief moment, but didn't care for it. Now I have the zero rise on it again, but have switched my bars from the Raceface FR to the Chromag Fubars OSX. Gives me a tad more rise, and now FEELS PERFECT. Really dig the 30", vs. the 29" I had the FR's cut down to. It's taken a bit of tweeking to find the sweet spot on this bike for me.

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    Right on. Similar cockpit setup here. Stuck with the 70mm 0 degree rise stem along with the OSX bar but i left the full width after finding my previous 720mm Sunlines were slightly narrow.

    Lovely bikes btw. Keep em coming!

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    Gents,

    I just ordered my Sov this morning, a white large is on it's way. Whoo-hoo! This thread and a few pm's to Jubilee have been a help.

    Quick question though. I plan on running 1x9, and this will be my first time every doing so. Any suggestions on what to run as a chainguide? I've got a Blackspire ISCG chain tensioner in my parts bin, but not sure if that alone will work.

    I did see one on pinkbike that had an e13 LG1+ I think. Not against it, but rather find a cheaper alternative for now if possible.

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    So I had a great time on the Evil Sov today: Romero Canyon- Sta Barbara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Gents,

    I just ordered my Sov this morning, a white large is on it's way. Whoo-hoo! This thread and a few pm's to Jubilee have been a help.

    Quick question though. I plan on running 1x9, and this will be my first time every doing so. Any suggestions on what to run as a chainguide? I've got a Blackspire ISCG chain tensioner in my parts bin, but not sure if that alone will work.

    I did see one on pinkbike that had an e13 LG1+ I think. Not against it, but rather find a cheaper alternative for now if possible.

    Thanks!
    Congrats on your new purchase, you'll be well pleased!

    ISCG setup is super easy with the 05 tabs already welded on the frame itself. (It's a mystery to me why these don't come as standard on all MTB frames, I wont get into that here though)

    I used to run the LG1+ on my Sov in a 1x9 config. Wanting to try something different, I purchased a MRP mini G on blowout sale, after the former upper and lower guide housing eventually crumbled from wear and tear. I have had zero issues with set up or functional performance on either guides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Gents,

    I just ordered my Sov this morning, a white large is on it's way. Whoo-hoo! This thread and a few pm's to Jubilee have been a help.

    Quick question though. I plan on running 1x9, and this will be my first time every doing so. Any suggestions on what to run as a chainguide? I've got a Blackspire ISCG chain tensioner in my parts bin, but not sure if that alone will work.

    I did see one on pinkbike that had an e13 LG1+ I think. Not against it, but rather find a cheaper alternative for now if possible.

    Thanks!

    I use this and have had zero issues

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...9&category=364

    Looks nice on the white too....

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    shalesjr- questions for you. You are running a 1x9....whats your gears in back and ring in front.....and what kind of climbs do you deal in your area?

    I have been thinking of 1x9 but we have so much steepness around here- some 10-12% grades- I would like to think I could do it with a 1x9 but its not likely...just curious.

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    Hey Mojo, give it a shot! I bet you'll be pleasently surprised at what you can actually climb with 9 gears. That said, I'm running a 32T up front, and an 11-32 cassette in the back. I live in the southeast, and I can tell you, where I ride, there's not too much flat to be had. Lots of rolling, quite a bit of sustained climbing (have no idea on the % grade though), along with many miles of flow.

    I road single speeds for years, but the 1X9 is by far my favorite. I initially had my Evil set up as a singlespeed, but, I think the bike definately came to life after I geared up it.

    Good luck, and enjoy!

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    Mojo, as Shales mentioned, the 1x9 setup takes a lot of would be naysayers by surprise once they've given it a shot and spent actual saddle time to get accustomed to it. I am running 34 x 11-34 myself. Granted, I would possibly opt for middle ring if climbing was my primary focus and throw in a mid ring 26 for long ass hauls but its not.

    I had a 32 upfront initially with my 11-34 rear but found myself spinning out on the flat sections, hence the switch to a 34 upfront. Climbing gradients was just a little harder. The long term cardiovascular health benefits of the 1x9 might also be something to consider.

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    Thanks Chromag and Shales- I will give it a try. Prolly keep my current 11-34 / 32 for a bit. I am also looking at going with an IGH eventually- maybe the new Shimano Alfine 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw
    Congrats on your new purchase, you'll be well pleased!

    ISCG setup is super easy with the 05 tabs already welded on the frame itself. (It's a mystery to me why these don't come as standard on all MTB frames, I wont get into that here though)

    I used to run the LG1+ on my Sov in a 1x9 config. Wanting to try something different, I purchased a MRP mini G on blowout sale, after the former upper and lower guide housing eventually crumbled from wear and tear. I have had zero issues with set up or functional performance on either guides.
    Thanks, very anxious to get her ride-able.

    I found this new e13 guide here: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...5&category=364

    Is the bottom bash mount necessary though, I know shalesjr isn't running one according to his post? I found a few posts researching 1x9 and said if you smack the bash hard enough, it could bend is ISCG mounts? Seems to me like you'd really have to smack it, but I've not seen my frame yet so no idea how burly or flimsy those ISCG mounts are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Thanks, very anxious to get her ride-able.

    I found this new e13 guide here: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...5&category=364

    Is the bottom bash mount necessary though, I know shalesjr isn't running one according to his post? I found a few posts researching 1x9 and said if you smack the bash hard enough, it could bend is ISCG mounts? Seems to me like you'd really have to smack it, but I've not seen my frame yet so no idea how burly or flimsy those ISCG mounts are...
    Burly. It's comprised of single ISCG 05 mount interface. They are not 3 individual tabs separately welded to the BB shell but rather 1 piece all encompassing steel inclusive of the ISCG tabs matted to the BB shell. Nothing's gong anywhere anytime soon.

    You may or may not want the bash, depending on the terrain you navigate. For me it serves as stable platform when sliding over very steep step downs at slow speed. The additional weight is marginal.

    Do take note however that depending on the plastic composition of the upper and lower guide/bash, they are sensitive to certain degreasing and cleaning agents. I got my 1st LG1+ used and never read the manual stating this. My LG1+'s accelerated wear and tear is testament to this. Just a heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw
    Burly. It's comprised of single ISCG 05 mount interface. They are not 3 individual tabs separately welded to the BB shell but rather 1 piece all encompassing steel inclusive of the ISCG tabs matted to the BB shell. Nothing's gong anywhere anytime soon.

    You may or may not want the bash, depending on the terrain you navigate. For me it serves as stable platform when sliding over very steep step downs at slow speed. The additional weight is marginal.

    Do take note however that depending on the plastic composition of the upper and lower guide/bash, they are sensitive to certain degreasing and cleaning agents. I got my 1st LG1+ used and never read the manual stating this. My LG1+'s accelerated wear and tear is testament to this. Just a heads up.
    Great, thanks, I'll just order one of those then. Everything but that and a few misc small items are already ordered.
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    This is from the first frames that Evil built, the pro I got it off designed the nice decals.

    I took it for a ride in the rain and with the wide bars it feels like it will be very comfortable and maneuverable at speed.

    Just need a chainguide and possibly a mtb cassette and it's ready to kill the loam.






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    Doing some reading this morning, I read where some people running 1x9 have to file down the granny ring tabs on their cranks to run a chainguide like an LG1+ and such.

    Have any of you guys ran into this problem? I have SLX cranks on the way, and was going to get an LG1+, but I really dont' want to modify my cranks (or have an easy way to do it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Doing some reading this morning, I read where some people running 1x9 have to file down the granny ring tabs on their cranks to run a chainguide like an LG1+ and such.

    Have any of you guys ran into this problem? I have SLX cranks on the way, and was going to get an LG1+, but I really dont' want to modify my cranks (or have an easy way to do it.)
    Same issue I had Cecil when ordering my SLX and LG1+. I wrote to a few folks here on MTBR and they recommended the granny ring tabs be ground down slightly. The fit is tight without, so I did just that.

    HOWEVER,

    now that I am running my MRP Mini G, the actual boomerang design is slightly different and allows more leeway so you can leave your cranks as is - no need for any mods. I mounted the mini G direct to the frame's ISCG tabs - no ISCG spacers needed and I am only running a single 2.5 BB spacer drive side that came with the BB (Currently running 73mm HOPE BB). The chain line is fine and there is only the usual minimal contact between the chain and upper guide when using the largest cog at back.

    JensonUSA is running a special (27% off) on the MRP Mini G if you don't mind white:
    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...i-G+Guide.aspx

    Best of luck! It sounds like everything is coming together. Share some eye candy once you have the beast built up!
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    Awesome, thanks for the tip. MRP is ordered, and now everything I need is now ordered. Now it will be a waiting game to see what shows up last.
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    Recent pic of my Sov which I'm loving more n' more with every ride!
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    Crawler, I'm digging the brown, reminds me of my old TRL.

    Bitewerks, I know that feeling! At times its a welcomed breath of fresh air not having to listen to the workings of a full squish. Is that a 32 or 36 Fox up front? Can't really tell from the pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw
    Crawler, I'm digging the brown, reminds me of my old TRL.

    Bitewerks, I know that feeling! At times its a welcomed breath of fresh air not having to listen to the workings of a full squish. Is that a 32 or 36 Fox up front? Can't really tell from the pic.
    It's a 32 TALAS '11. I dig it. It's the first highend fork I've ridden. I came off a Suntour so no comparison at all! I do everything at the full 140mm. Lowering it feels weird but does help on a couple of climbs but nothing I can't do w/a short break then hit it at full travel.

    EVIL is so much fun!

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    A ride from awhile back. The most DH/FR this bike has seen in awhile. It wants MOAR!

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    Ok, got mine built up yesterday, here's some details and pics:

    Fork: RS Lyrik U-turn coil (with upgrade DH damper and rebound cart)
    Brakes: Hope Mono M4's with 7" rotors
    Rims: DT 5.1
    Hubs: Chris King (rear HD hub w/fun bolts)
    Headset: Hope
    Seat: WTB Pure V
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Shifter: X9 Trigger
    Cranks/bb: SLX
    Chainguide: MRP G2 Mini G
    Pedals: Straitline
    Tires: Schwalble Big Betty (fr) Fat Albert (rr)
    Stem: Raceface Evolve 65mm
    Handlebars: Gravity Light 710mm
    Chain: XTR
    Grips: Oury lock on





    I love this bike, today was the first ride and it was the most fun I've had on bike in ages. Glad I got a large. I initially put a 50mm stem on, but that felt too short, so I threw on my pal's spare 65mm. The 65 was much better. I can still see this feeling a tad short on a long xc ride, but as Jubiliee said, for the stuff around here, it just feels perfect, very fast and flickable under me.

    Can't wait to get out on it again!
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    ^^^ Nice Cecil ^^^

    Glad to see everything worked out with the chain guide.

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    Yes it did, thank you again for the recommendation. Worked like a charm.

    One thing I did notice was that I need a stiffer spring for my fork on this bike. On my RFX, it was fine and I rarely bottomed it. On the Sov, riding the same trail, I bottomed the fork like crazy. I didn't consider that when I moved it over. I've got a stiffer spring on the way now.
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    Hey guys,

    I threw on an 11-34 9spd cassette, set of truvativ holzfeller isis double ring cranks, and a chainguide similar to the blackspire stinger on my brown sovereign a few posts up.

    When I'm in the big ring up front and in the big ring in the back, my chain drops on both my cassette and front ring.

    I want to run a 1x9, but the bike doesn't seem to want to.
    Any suggestions?

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    sounds to me like its a simple issue of getting your limit screws on your derailleurs dialed in properly

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    My new (to me - second hand) frame arrived today

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    I can't wait to build it up.

    Quick question - can anyone out there with a 150mm/160 fork describe how it rides? Do you have any problems climbing? What about general handling - I imagine the BB is raised quite a bit with bigger forks?

    I'm trying to decide between Pikes, Rock Shox Revelations, or Fox 32/36 float/talas, I hardly ever use travel adjust but think it'd be nice - but then again I hear the floats are much more plush - especially earlier ones ... ARGH!

    It's going to be built into an all rounder, general trail and also dj/pump track duties, so fairly burly build, pro 2s and 5.1s/flows/the like.

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    Is anyone running a shorter travel fork? I'm thinking about running a 120 Fox FIT Terralogic if I get one...

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    Just received my SMALL (I'm not even 5'6" tall...)Sovereign frame yesterday!!! The green one!!! Can't wait to build it up. SINGLESPEEEEEEEEED !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E

    Quick question - can anyone out there with a 150mm/160 fork describe how it rides? Do you have any problems climbing? What about general handling - I imagine the BB is raised quite a bit with bigger forks?
    I've only got a few rides on mine since I finished the build, but I love mine with a 160 Lyrik. But i like a slacker bike to begin with, and prefer the beefier and stiffer front end, so it's a win win for me.

    The U-turn is a good option I think, if you feel you might want to change the fork travel depending on what you are riding that day. Although I've left mine at 160 so far. No real issues climbing at all, and the BB is still going to be lower than my RFX, so that's not a problem for me either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J
    Is anyone running a shorter travel fork? I'm thinking about running a 120 Fox FIT Terralogic if I get one...
    I'm running 140mm & dropping it down to 110mm feels really weird (steep, slow). I've only done it on a couple of climbs to test it out. I just leave it at full travel on everything now.

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    The lowest I've been is 130mm up front on a borrowed fork and I found it very twitchy for the style of riding and terrain I'm accustomed to. The BB is fairly low as is but with a 120mm fork matted up front you'll be hard pressed not to bash on trail chunk. My $0.02
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    Thanks for the advice guys...

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    I'm running the revelation, and it's sunk down to 115mm, it is sketchy on the steep trails, but corners nicely.

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    I'm slowly securing parts for my build, so far the build will be:

    Evil Sovereign (medium) black
    DT Swiss 5.1 rims, Hope Pro 2s (black)
    Rock Shox lyric 2-step air 160mm (RC2 DH) black

    Turning into a bit of a stealth build which I wasn't planning on, but I've got the rims and forks for a good price.

    The rest of the build will hopefully go something like:

    Thomson post (I have an i950 on my enduro and will hopefully get another if I find a bargain)
    Charge spoon saddle (white)

    1x9
    SLX chainset (32t)
    SRAM x9/x0 rear mech (short/medium cage depending on how confident I am with going 1x9)
    MRP Mini-G/LS1/regular BBG bash etc

    Hope tech brakes, maybe X2s, I have M4s on my Enduros and they're fantastic.

    Pics to follow shortly hopefully

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    Lyriks arrived



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    You're going to LOVE the Sov! My trails are XC trails. Everyone I talk to tell me how I need to ride clippless or get a 29" b/c they roll over everything. None of these people ever tell me how much FUN their bike is! Everytime I say anything about the Sov, it involves FUN!

    EViiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiL FUN!!!!!!!!!!

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    ^ rofl.. nice post

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    aaaand the wheels..


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