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    The Evil OFFERING....

    competitive cyclist posted a sneak peak of the new OFFERING. Official launch is imminent.

    Sounds like a 29er Calling. Should be rad......


    https://www.competitivecyclist.com/e...VB000N-BKOUT-S

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    I love my MB.... but oh shit... that looks perfect!

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    Numbers look good and close to the RIPMO. Probably mistake by CC to post..lol

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    The bike everyone (not everyone, but a lot) wants, including me !

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    big mistake by CC. lol thank god it's not the first day of April !
    Maybe the setup but I felt the ripmo was not supple like my following.

    Im curious about the colors they are going to choose. I don't think it was what they put up. (calling)

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    Somebody figured out stį and reach.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Well that's sure interesting...and by "interesting," I mean: AWESOME!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Somebody figured out stį and reach.
    its on there bud. very comparable to the yeti sb130 and Ripmo. Choose your poison. I hope the warranty is better than their 3 years, than they really can be comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHMB View Post
    big mistake by CC. lol thank god it's not the first day of April !
    Maybe the setup but I felt the ripmo was not supple like my following.

    Im curious about the colors they are going to choose. I don't think it was what they put up. (calling)
    Yeah, strange. Although, the black isnít a current color as I recall, for any bike let alone the Calling (Angry Dolphin & Muddy Water)


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    Yep. Who wants my Wreck?

    Can it coil though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash View Post
    Yep. Who wants my Wreck?

    Can it coil though?
    im sure it can. All the new ones do now. even the following mb so I don't see why it would not be able to.

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    Ah was not aware about the MB.

    Super stoked on this guy - glad I waited! Rumor has it the first shipment is largely spoken for but there's another one shortly behind it...

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    I can't see the website as says it isn't viewable to those outside the US. Can someone post a screenshot with the details???

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHMB View Post
    im sure it can. All the new ones do now. even the following mb so I don't see why it would not be able to.
    I know PUSH mentioned making a coil for the MB, but still havenít seen any options yet. Who makes coils for the MB at the moment?


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    Great to have so many choices. Now i need to wait. I was going to pull the trigger on the sb130 frame. I'll guess that the yeti will pedal better but the offering will descend and huck better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energ8t View Post
    I know PUSH mentioned making a coil for the MB, but still havenít seen any options yet. Who makes coils for the MB at the moment?


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    lol no one as i know of, but it can.

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    The Evil OFFERING....-evil-offering-1.jpgThe Evil OFFERING....-evil-offering-140l.jpgThe Evil OFFERING....-evil-offering-150h.jpgThe Evil OFFERING....-evil-offering-150l.jpg

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    Great, thanks NHMB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energ8t View Post
    I know PUSH mentioned making a coil for the MB, but still havenít seen any options yet. Who makes coils for the MB at the moment?
    The only one I know of that is currently available is the Ohlins TTX M22 Trunnion 165 x 45

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    Quote Originally Posted by nel View Post
    the only one i know of that is currently available is the ohlins ttx m22 trunnion 165 x 45
    nevermind....

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    Hope the pic 8s wrong and has full internal routing

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    Is this the geo for the offering? How come its not a delta suspension?

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    It's DELTA, per copy on the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    Is this the geo for the offering? How come its not a delta suspension?

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    It's DELTA, per copy on the website.

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    The Offering is on Evil's website.

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    Ohh damn!

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    XL is sold out already!

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    Lol. Sounds like jcwages will be upgrading his Calling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash View Post
    Ah was not aware about the MB.

    Super stoked on this guy - glad I waited! Rumor has it the first shipment is largely spoken for but there's another one shortly behind it...
    There is a push coil on the picture of the Offering in the Evil website !

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    The combination of threaded BB and push coil frame offering might be enough to give up the pedal efficiency of the sb130. Plus the flip chip will let me go xlow for bike park days.
    Worried about the delta linkage. Heard from ppl that they wear out quickly over time.

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    432mm seat tube length and HA kills it for me unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    432mm seat tube length and HA kills it for me unfortunately.

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    Why ?

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    He is probably short and wants to run a longer dropper and cant handle a slack HTA.

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    Im short and want a longer dropper and want a slacker ha. Im sure it'll be a fun bike. I loved my Following.

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    77 degree STA? That is some creative geometry they have going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    77 degree STA? That is some creative geometry they have going on.
    although I love my evil, i wouldn't say creative since other companies have already came out with similar sta

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    Sorry I should have been clearer. I didnt mean 'creative' as in 'this is something new'. I meant I dont believe that 77 degrees is an accurate representation of the actual STA.

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    why is that? just by looking at it? I can see how just by looking at it bc i feel the same way but i don't think thats the case.

    I also think "my boy blue" looks (at least online pics so far) too much like angry dolphin.
    I would have liked to see different offering for colors (no pun intended), like red, purple, etc. I love the brown they have on the wreckoning.

    It would be cool if we could purchase extra paint options like a ghost peal, flakes, candy etc. do something other companies are not... you know?

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    What's anyone thinking on sizing? I'm good on my XL Following V1, having sized up at 6'1", if anything I'd take a shade longer. Hard to compare, the reach on this is way longer but SA means top tube is not. Geo looks very similar to the Ripmo, which I test rode in XL and found it very comfortable. Argh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    What's anyone thinking on sizing? I'm good on my XL Following V1, having sized up at 6'1", if anything I'd take a shade longer. Hard to compare, the reach on this is way longer but SA means top tube is not. Geo looks very similar to the Ripmo, which I test rode in XL and found it very comfortable. Argh!
    I'm 6'3 and thinking L on this one - previously had an XL Following MB and Wreckoning

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    I too thought large initially, but it's the Ripmo demo that is giving me doubts, aside from a lower stack, the numbers are near identical, and the XL Ripmo was great.

    I may wait a couple of months to see what others think of the size once they are out in the wild

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    Quote Originally Posted by nel View Post
    XL is sold out already!
    Or just not available yet.

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    6', long legs. Thinking large with 32mm stem. I demoed a XL rallon and Large Foxy 29, both felt great. Transition Sentinel in Large felt short.

    I'm glad this has been released.

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    At 6'3 you might fit the XL better. The reach is deceiving given the steep seat angle , you might feel cramped in the seated position. Best to demo one

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    Yeah I heard from Evil that the XL isn't available until end of October anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    At 6'3 you might fit the XL better. The reach is deceiving given the steep seat angle , you might feel cramped in the seated position. Best to demo one

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    I don't know - the L Offering is only 8mm shorter effective top tube than my Following MB but the Offering also has 7mm longer reach (with 150mm fork). I think I might stick with the sizing charts for this one as I normally ride steep, tight trails so favour manoeuvrability over stability. Yes a demo would be ideal but I have never been able to demo any Evil bikes before buying.

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    The geo chart shows stack height as lower with the longer 150mm fork than 140. Wouldnít stack height bechigher in that case?

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    Damn, wish it came out a couple weeks ago because I just EP'd a RM Instinct BC.

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    Torn

    Iím torn. One of the sb130 reviewers said it well when comparing it to the sb150. If you can have longer travel without giving up much then why not take it?

    Iíve had the following v1 and am now on a wreckoning. The wreckoning even in low turns the volume up to eleven. Itís an amazing technical climber and it just takes anything you can throw at it on the downs. Even at 6í4 on an xl the seat tube is fine.

    The offering.... I do think this sounds like the sweet spot for travel on 29er and steeper seat tube angle and wider rear tyre clearance are appealing (although steeper headtube angle is not) but I am still wondering if you donít give up with longer travel then why not take it? Will be interested to hear how it rides.

    Ps how good is that launch video though. Makes me want to ride bikes.

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    Done. next bike.

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    Geometry is perfect. Wonder if you can short shock it by swapping linkage pieces? I have a wrecker for bigger stuff, this would be a killer go fast flow platform and is what many people were building their FMBs to mimmick when using - 1* Headsets and 140mm forks.

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    Man. I need to demo. SB130/SB150 is what I was leaning towards, with Rallon following behind.

    I would REALLY like to see some reviews on this thing and how it compares to the SB130.

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    no internal cable routing???

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    Do other Evil bikes have it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    no internal cable routing???
    Internal routing is vanity over function....external is one of the reasons I have stayed w evil. Specifically the rear brake, has zero justification for being internally routed.

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    ok, so since I suck at math.

    On their website, using a 150m fork, they have the offset at 51mm.

    What happens to the bike/ride if we used a fork with 44mm offset?

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    44mm offset will shorten the wheelbase maybe 1 quarter of an inch. Steering slows a touch

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    44mm offset will shorten the wheelbase maybe 1 quarter of an inch. Steering slows a touch
    I am sorry man, can you explain that? If the bike gets shorter shouldn't the bike feel more nimble and quicker in the turns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    ok, so since I suck at math.

    On their website, using a 150m fork, they have the offset at 51mm.

    What happens to the bike/ride if we used a fork with 44mm offset?
    Turns quicker but could feel twitchy, probably better in X-LOW (just a guess).


    From EVIL site: "140x140 is how we start but if youíre looking for something to handle the bigger stuff then go with a 150mm Lyrik or 160mm Fox 36 up front and the Push 11.6 on the rear."

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    They do mention offset - " For those of you looking for a more traditional, snappy feel, both 43mm and 44mm offset forks also work well. We could have called this the Variable Offset Option but at Evil we have created drinking games based on over-used bike industry acronyms and terms like optimized which we used in the first sentence above, capable, confidence inspiring, and advanced."


    Fanatikbike: "Designed around 140, 150, and 160mm fork compatibility. 51mm offset recommended for 140/150mm, 44mm offset recommended for 160mm."

    I am also leaning toward the XL (6'4") but taking a good look at the Large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    Internal routing is vanity over function....external is one of the reasons I have stayed w evil. Specifically the rear brake, has zero justification for being internally routed.
    A. Men.

    Never understand the fascination with internal routing. I'd much rather have Evil's routing any day. Except for where the derailleur goes into the swing arm...that always pulls the grommet out.

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    Its counterintuitive but shorter offset increases mechanical trail. More trail leads to most stability and slightly slower turning. Less trail with a 51 leads to quicker turning. It's not wheelbase it's the trail figures. I have both 51 and 44 and there is a difference but not huge. Google fork offset and trail and the picture will explain it better.

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    Man, at 5í9Ē, I was always between a medium and large on most bikes; now I seem to fall in between medium and a small.

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    Having sold my following due to the slack seat angle and short reach, its as if Evil were reading my mind.

    After 2 years on a primer, I may go to back to Evil....

    Lets hope it is as poppy and fun as the following with a bit more travel...

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    Darn..... I just got a Capra 29. I can vouch for the the steep seat angle. It totally helped for climbs on the Capra.

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    The Evil OFFERING....-offering1.jpg

    Just demo-ed and gotten my hands on a Medium Offering!

    Cant Wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    Im short and want a longer dropper and want a slacker ha. Im sure it'll be a fun bike. I loved my Following.

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    See the geo of the Kona Process 153. Too bad it's a Kona, which means not so lively oversized tubing for small riders. Have to be either a heavy rider or a hucker/freerider to see it as a plus. Their heavy brake squat is definitely something that you need to learn proper braking technique to see as a plus. If you're a type that "exercises hard to get a full body workout" (to better describe a kind of "aggressive rider"), you can get it to work.



    This med Offering is like a large Ripmo, except the Ripmo is a tiny bit longer. If this had more rear tire clearance (than 2.4) and more chainring clearance (than 34t), I might've been interested. The longer reach should've maybe made it so a full size bottle can fit inside comfortably on the smaller sizes too. Hope they worked out the mfg bugs too, like the "soft" seatstays that could easily be compressed with your fingers. This thing has low and centralized weight going for it though. I was excited too, when I saw a 140 29er with 1200 WB with 430 CS and forward seated position (steep STA and long reach). Looks like the testers dialed in the medium, which is nice since it's normally the large that gets optimized geo.

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    Is the blue matte or gloss?

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    Currently ride a Following MB size large and me being a hair under 6ft it feels a tad too small for me.

    Ive just checked the geo on the offering and wow its pretty long. Anyone considering a large offering at similar height to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J273 View Post
    Currently ride a Following MB size large and me being a hair under 6ft it feels a tad too small for me.

    Ive just checked the geo on the offering and wow its pretty long. Anyone considering a large offering at similar height to me?
    Keep in mind the steeper seat angle versus the Following will make it feel much shorter when seated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Fitzgerald View Post
    Is the blue matte or gloss?

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    Matte

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    See the geo of the Kona Process 153. Too bad it's a Kona, which means not so lively oversized tubing for small riders. Have to be either a heavy rider or a hucker/freerider to see it as a plus. Their heavy brake squat is definitely something that you need to learn proper braking technique to see as a plus. If you're a type that "exercises hard to get a full body workout" (to better describe a kind of "aggressive rider"), you can get it to work.



    This med Offering is like a large Ripmo, except the Ripmo is a tiny bit longer. If this had more rear tire clearance (than 2.4) and more chainring clearance (than 34t), I might've been interested. The longer reach should've maybe made it so a full size bottle can fit inside comfortably on the smaller sizes too. Hope they worked out the mfg bugs too, like the "soft" seatstays that could easily be compressed with your fingers. This thing has low and centralized weight going for it though. I was excited too, when I saw a 140 29er with 1200 WB with 430 CS and forward seated position (steep STA and long reach). Looks like the testers dialed in the medium, which is nice since it's normally the large that gets optimized geo.
    According to their Instagram post it should fit 2.6Ē rubber.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    The combination of threaded BB and push coil frame offering might be enough to give up the pedal efficiency of the sb130. Plus the flip chip will let me go xlow for bike park days.
    Worried about the delta linkage. Heard from ppl that they wear out quickly over time.

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    Thereís not much difference in pedal efficiency between the yeti and evils really. Especially if you use pedal modes. Delta wear out? Thatís humorous. You replace the bearings when they wear out.
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    The Evil OFFERING....

    The top tube lengths are longer than the FMB. Theyíre measured level to top of head tube and if you have long legs effective seat tube length grows. Plus move the seat back on ours rails. The seated cock pit should not feel cramped at all even with your feet underneath you because of the longer reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan101 View Post
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    How is the frame compared to the Wreckoning? The Following MB frame is less burly. I am hoping the frame on this bike is as burly as the Wreck. Can you compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan101 View Post
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    Just demo-ed and gotten my hands on a Medium Offering!

    Cant Wait!
    Is the finish super matte like the calling or is there a sheen / satin feel to the finish?


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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeldorian View Post
    Is the finish super matte like the calling or is there a sheen / satin feel to the finish?


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    Would love this bike, sold my v1 following and bought Yt jeffsy 2 months ago. Bummer.

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    I thought I had it down to the GG Smash or the Knolly Warden, then Evil has to do this.

    Which shock are you guys planning to go with on your Offerings? The 11-6 would kick ass, but it comes at a premium. Is there a compelling reason to get the Fox DPX2 over the Rockshox Super Deluxe?

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    Well Damn... This is the bike I really wanted when I bought my Following MB a year ago. Friday morning I was convinced my next frame would be the sb130, this changes things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    According to their Instagram post it should fit 2.6Ē rubber.



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    I got it from the Evil site. They're pretty liberal with their written interpretations. They're not lying, it can fit 27.5x2.6, but 29x2.5 (and some brands of 2.4) is likely gonna be be causing rub marks on the frame. xD

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    Haha - me three or four....

    Lots of great frames have come out recently, I am been planning to get another bike after my early summer bike trip. I just didn't know which one. I put money down in August and swapped a few times since then. However - all of that changed Friday morning!

    I am all in with the Offering - frame is ordered and going 11-6 right out of the gate based on chatting with Kevin!

    I love the Calling and didn't want to get rid of it. The Offering seems like a great pairing owing to difference in wheel size, geometry, etc. I am very excited to get my hands on this one!!!

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    So stoked. Planning on building this up with a 160 fox 36 with 44mm offset. Mini wreckoning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roverdoc View Post
    So stoked. Planning on building this up with a 160 fox 36 with 44mm offset. Mini wreckoning!
    Can the Fox 36 be lowered from 160 to 150? Was thinking of going this route as well, but wondering if you can back it down a little if it proves to be a bit much on technical climbs.

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    Yes it can.

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    Or raised to 170 for park!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart.taylor.sucks View Post
    Can the Fox 36 be lowered from 160 to 150? Was thinking of going this route as well, but wondering if you can back it down a little if it proves to be a bit much on technical climbs.

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    Yes it can.
    Chatting with EVIL a Fox 36 A2C is about 7mm shorter than Rockshox. There numbers are based off Rockshox measurements so a 160 36 is like a ď153Ē Lyrik. Minimal difference they said. Thatís why they suggest the 160 36 in their jargon I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLow View Post
    Man, at 5í9Ē, I was always between a medium and large on most bikes; now I seem to fall in between medium and a small.
    I'm 5'9 and would steer clear of the small. Just got a large Fugitive and the size is great.
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    Sizing question. Iím 6í2Ē. Large or XL. Based off previous bikes Iíd definitely go XL. Have a V1 following in large and had a large Insurgent. After having a large Sentinel for almost a year I now realize my following is too small. I was considering an XL wreckoning if this bike had not been released. I also want the DPX 2 option which hasnít arrived at EVIL yet so either way Iím waiting a little bit.

    So do I go L or XL... seems theyíve sized the bikes up??
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    Is the black a gloss finish? Really trying to avoid matte finishes. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Fitzgerald View Post
    Is the black a gloss finish? Really trying to avoid matte finishes. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    Geometry is perfect. Wonder if you can short shock it by swapping linkage pieces? I have a wrecker for bigger stuff, this would be a killer go fast flow platform and is what many people were building their FMBs to mimmick when using - 1* Headsets and 140mm forks.
    I think you mean Following v1ís. There are way more slack moded v1ís on trails than FMBís and that where the FMB owners got the idea. Why short shock a 140 mil bike when itís already there. An angle set is much cheaper than a shock plus the FMB is the bike to be the berm smasher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I think you mean Following v1ís. There are way more slack moded v1ís on trails than FMBís and that where the FMB owners got the idea. Why short shock a 140 mil bike when itís already there. An angle set is much cheaper than a shock plus the FMB is the bike to be the berm smasher.
    Well that's because there are more v1s in the first place. But I'm assuming he ment fmb bc it's the new model that people are doing that with, my self included.

    ..... Not I got to think how that blue would look with orange evil decals with all my orange accessories.... Hmmmm....

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    The Evil OFFERING....

    Quote Originally Posted by NHMB View Post
    Well that's because there are more v1s in the first place. But I'm assuming he ment fmb bc it's the new model that people are doing that with, my self included.
    Da! There are way more v1ís out there than FMBís and thatís my point. We started slacking out the v1. Itís a bit misleading to make it seem like the FMB is setting trend. The other point is just slacking the FMB and not short shocking a 140. The FMB is a good bike but the v1 was and is the benchmark at 120.

    The new bike looks great all around. With itís longer FC geo it will satisfy and bring in more riders to the brand. Plus itís filling the holes in the Evil stable. Iíll buy this bike where the Wreck not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Da! There are way more v1ís out there than FMBís and thatís my point. We started slacking out the v1. Itís a bit misleading to make it seem like the FMB is setting trend. The other point is just slacking the FMB and not short shocking a 140. The FMB is a good bike but the v1 was and is the benchmark at 120.

    The new bike looks great all around. With itís longer FC geo it will satisfy and bring in more riders to the brand. Plus itís filling the holes in the Evil stable. Iíll buy this bike where the Wreck not so much.
    I'm confused......Nobody said it was setting a trend...

    I was simply meaning you didn't need to State the obvious. Like v1 is the benchmark for 120 and not the fmb.

    I completely agree with you. It will fill a HUGE home in it's love up. I didn't need the wreckoning, so I got the fmb. I want the off we offering but I know I don't needed i right now. I need to work on my skills for a while. So I'll probably get the 140 with 44offset to put on my bike and when I feel like the time is right for me, then I'll swap everything over

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    Evilís been really good since the original Following came out regarding warranty and or workmanship issues and claims. They also have a good crash replacement program. I donít expect any company to cover stuff thatís not their fault.


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    To come back around to tdc_wormís comment about short shocking this Offering, it sunk in my brain that might be a good option for a dual personality bike if the frame weight is similar to the FMB. If you could short short shock it in x-low and run a 120 or 130 fork up front and also had the stock shock and longer spec fork youíd basically have a FMB and Offering in one bike...Hmm...

    Who has a frame that they can weigh with shock, axle and headset cups?


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    Just ordered a L offering! This will be my first evil bike Iím super pumped! do they normally ship pretty quick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    To come back around to tdc_wormís comment about short shocking this Offering, it sunk in my brain that might be a good option for a dual personality bike if the frame weight is similar to the FMB. If you could short short shock it in x-low and run a 120 or 130 fork up front and also had the stock shock and longer spec fork youíd basically have a FMB and Offering in one bike...Hmm...

    Who has a frame that they can weigh with shock, axle and headset cups?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NHMB View Post
    Fanatik has the weights. It is slightly lighter than the mb
    I was wondering if that was the case with the new carbon layups. According to Jadyn he thought it was the best climbing Evil to date which makes sense with the steeper SA and lighter weight frame.

    My v1 Following was 6.3 lbs. with rear axle, headset cups and shock. I did not see the weights listed on Fanatik's site. Does anyone know what the weights are?
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    it's on there.
    sm 6.26
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    it's under bike buidler. then just click on the offering

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    Wow! I have been looking to replace my 5.5 and was looking at the sb150, sb130 and the wreckoning. And this came along!
    Iím 5í10 3/4 and have a Large FollowingMB and it fits perfect. Would a Large Offering fit similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    and more chainring clearance (than 34t), I might've been interested.
    34T min would be a complete deal breaker...I see now that is the max

    Anyone know the minimum chain ring size?

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    Do these frames use headset cups or do the bearings pop in the carbon head tube being integrated? If the latter then that would be a deal killer for me as I would want to slacken it a full degree to get to 65 while retaining 77 deg STA with a 150mm fork. Otherwise I'll just get the SB130 and give up a lil' travel or wait for the revamped '19 Jeffsy at half the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Do these frames use headset cups or do the bearings pop in the carbon head tube being integrated? If the latter then that would be a deal killer for me as I would want to slacken it a full degree to get to 65 while retaining 77 deg STA with a 150mm fork. Otherwise I'll just get the SB130 and give up a lil' travel or wait for the revamped '19 Jeffsy at half the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmag76 View Post
    Iím 5í10 3/4 and have a Large FollowingMB and it fits perfect. Would a Large Offering fit similar?
    hmm, i'm 5' 10.5" and ride a medium FMB. 32" inseam. Shorter femurs. Saddle rails as forward as they go.

    Really want to confirm the Offering seat angle is what they say it is.

    I'm so on the fence with selling my FMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas25 View Post
    Just ordered a L offering! This will be my first evil bike Iím super pumped! do they normally ship pretty quick?
    My buddy ordered the MB when it first launched. He placed the order Wednesday and received the bike Friday.
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    really chewing on where this bike sits in between the Wrecker and the FMB. Given the geometry and rear travel, it feels like it slots on the bigger bike side of things. On a scale of 0 to 100 for capabilities, if the FMB is a 50 and the Wrecker is a 100, I am not sure that the Offering slots right in the middle at 75....I'd probably call it at least an 80 and maybe a 85-90 in comparison, since we are all bench racing at this point.

    I am not sure I'd ever give up my Wrecker for some of the things I like to do. I am a quiver of two king of guy, so I am not sure this replaces the FMB. For a quiver of one approach, its probably a no brainer.

    now, if I could short shock it, it would be what the FMB should have been. at least on paper, haha.

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    I ordered mine Saturday and just got a notification it has shipped today (Monday) from Evil Europe to the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nel View Post
    I ordered mine Saturday and just got a notification it has shipped today (Monday) from Evil Europe to the UK.
    Which size did you go for? I think from memory you were on an XL Following before. Still unsure on size for myself, need to see if I can find one for a bounce before I buy.

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    I was one of the lucky few that got to spend quite a bit of time on the new Offering during development. I'm 6'-0" and almost always ride a large frame because of my ridiculously long arms. With this new geometry the Medium was perfect and that's what I'm staying with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND View Post
    I was one of the lucky few that got to spend quite a bit of time on the new Offering during development. I'm 6'-0" and almost always ride a large frame because of my ridiculously long arms. With this new geometry the Medium was perfect and that's what I'm staying with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shapethings View Post
    hmm, i'm 5' 10.5" and ride a medium FMB. 32" inseam. Shorter femurs. Saddle rails as forward as they go.

    Really want to confirm the Offering seat angle is what they say it is.

    I'm so on the fence with selling my FMB.
    Hmm, i have a 33mm stem on mine and the rails about 3/4 of the way forward. Iím thinking if i pushed them all the way forward on the Offering, that a Large will fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    Which size did you go for? I think from memory you were on an XL Following before. Still unsure on size for myself, need to see if I can find one for a bounce before I buy.
    I went with the Large at 191cm / 6'3. Yes I was on an XL Following then XL Following MB and also have an XL Wreckoning. I didn't want a bike that had a longer wheelbase and reach than the Wreck - the trails I normally ride are steep and tight but not particularly high speed so I favour manoeuvrability over stability. It's arriving Wednesday but I have to send off my fork to change the travel to 150mm so might not get it built until next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND View Post
    I was one of the lucky few that got to spend quite a bit of time on the new Offering during development. I'm 6'-0" and almost always ride a large frame because of my ridiculously long arms. With this new geometry the Medium was perfect and that's what I'm staying with.

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    Good to hear this Darren. This is the first time I've bought a Large frame - I'm normally XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nel View Post
    I went with the Large at 191cm / 6'3. Yes I was on an XL Following then XL Following MB and also have an XL Wreckoning. I didn't want a bike that had a longer wheelbase and reach than the Wreck - the trails I normally ride are steep and tight but not particularly high speed so I favour manoeuvrability over stability. It's arriving Wednesday but I have to send off my fork to change the travel to 150mm so might not get it built until next week.
    Thanks, looking forward to your thoughts. Your Scotland based too if I recall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    Thanks, looking forward to your thoughts. Your Scotland based too if I recall?
    Yes Scottish Borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND View Post
    I was one of the lucky few that got to spend quite a bit of time on the new Offering during development.

    Do you happen to know if the rear tire contacts the seat tube on a hard bottom out in x-low?

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    Iím interested in this bike but at 5í8 not sure on sizing with the new longer reach. Thought Medium but looks like small might fit better. Will be running 150-160mm fork if that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperfox114 View Post
    Iím interested in this bike but at 5í8 not sure on sizing with the new longer reach. Thought Medium but looks like small might fit better. Will be running 150-160mm fork if that matters.
    DO. NOT. DOWNSIZE. TO. SMALL.

    Don't be afraid of the reach. It's part of forward geometry. It counters the style of riding in which you defensively move your hips back over the rear wheel, and instead has you comfortably/naturally in a more centered position. Think of the position you pedal out-of-the-saddle from--it's naturally forward of the saddle on a conventional bike, right? Does that position get good rear traction on steep climbs, compared to one in the saddle, on a conventional bike? Forward geo fixes these things, bringing your position that you carve from, typically with your hips back, to one that's closer to your out-of-the-saddle pedaling position. This makes it so you can get more rad pedaling in more sections, like immediately out of a turn. Add in the longer front center and wheelbase, and you'll have to confidence to go faster wherever there's open straightaways.

    Problem with the Offering is that it has high AS and kickback, on top of not accepting large chainrings. I watched the promo video twice, and saw a total of 0.5 second of pedaling action--looked like they were appealing to the tradition of pushing and shuttling. With how much confidence this bike should offer, it's a shame that it's not so confident pedaling due to the kickback affecting your ability to pedal through the chunk. It could simply be a straight and rough fireroad without any serious bumps (fist sized rocks and ruts), and that kickback will still have you worried about pedaling, especially if you're forced to pedal a high RPM due to lack of high range in your gearing.

    This Offering was made for the guys who fit size M. Taller folks who don't fit on M should look at the other models, like the Following in XL and Wreckoning in L or XL. I wouldn't advise F'ing with the geo either, such as sticking a longer fork on it--it really is dialed (in size M). It's just that a lot of other bikes have geo dialed too (e.g. SB150 M, Ripmo L), so it's competing on chassis stiffness, suspension, spec, value, warranty, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    DO. NOT. DOWNSIZE. TO. SMALL.

    Don't be afraid of the reach. It's part of forward geometry. It counters the style of riding in which you defensively move your hips back over the rear wheel, and instead has you comfortably/naturally in a more centered position. Think of the position you pedal out-of-the-saddle from--it's naturally forward of the saddle on a conventional bike, right? Does that position get good rear traction on steep climbs, compared to one in the saddle, on a conventional bike? Forward geo fixes these things, bringing your position that you carve from, typically with your hips back, to one that's closer to your out-of-the-saddle pedaling position. This makes it so you can get more rad pedaling in more sections, like immediately out of a turn. Add in the longer front center and wheelbase, and you'll have to confidence to go faster wherever there's open straightaways.

    Problem with the Offering is that it has high AS and kickback, on top of not accepting large chainrings. I watched the promo video twice, and saw a total of 0.5 second of pedaling action--looked like they were appealing to the tradition of pushing and shuttling. With how much confidence this bike should offer, it's a shame that it's not so confident pedaling due to the kickback affecting your ability to pedal through the chunk. It could simply be a straight and rough fireroad without any serious bumps (fist sized rocks and ruts), and that kickback will still have you worried about pedaling, especially if you're forced to pedal a high RPM due to lack of high range in your gearing.

    This Offering was made for the guys who fit size M. Taller folks who don't fit on M should look at the other models, like the Following in XL and Wreckoning in L or XL. I wouldn't advise F'ing with the geo either, such as sticking a longer fork on it--it really is dialed (in size M). It's just that a lot of other bikes have geo dialed too (e.g. SB150 M, Ripmo L), so it's competing on chassis stiffness, suspension, spec, value, warranty, etc.
    Curious how you are so sure. Especially with what you have said in regards to not putting a 160 fork on it. I've had a Insurgent, Wreckoning and a MB. The MB climbs considerably better with the steeper ST -- even with a 140 fork. I can't see why the offering would not be even better even with a 160mm.

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    People really push more than a 34t chainring? I'm trying to figure out why you are not riding a hardtail if you can climb 34t x 42t or 50t. You must be riding some really flat terrain.

    Where i ride 30t front for a 29er is almost needed. If you are a strong rider then 32t would be about the most. This is not an XC bike. If you don't climb real mountains then i think the following MB is more appropriate.

    As far as DH if you can spin a 36t x 10 down real DH trails then you should be riding on the EWS. This is not a park bike its a trail/AM bike. It needs to pedal up and down.

    I really don't see the 34t max as a deal breaker at all.

    I guess i am just lost at what real DH trails people can spin a 36t and still climb up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    People really push more than a 34t chainring? I'm trying to figure out why you are not riding a hardtail if you can climb 34t x 42t or 50t. You must be riding some really flat terrain.

    Where i ride 30t front for a 29er is almost needed. If you are a strong rider then 32t would be about the most. This is not an XC bike. If you don't climb real mountains then i think the following MB is more appropriate.

    As far as DH if you can spin a 36t x 10 down real DH trails then you should be riding on the EWS. This is not a park bike its a trail/AM bike. It needs to pedal up and down.

    I really don't see the 34t max as a deal breaker at all.

    I guess i am just lost at what real DH trails people can spin a 36t and still climb up.
    Agree. I'm curious about why 30T is minimum chainring size on this bike.
    For July-Sept, I like to run 26t or 28t for riding between 10k-13k elevation.... (I still use 11spd, so only have 42t in the back, not 50).
    Do you think the stated 30t minimum is because of frame clearance issues? Or pedal kinematics?
    Wondering if I can remove the integrated chainguide and run whatever ring I want...?

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    Offering does not run smaller Chainring's as well...just confirmed with EVIL

    Smallest Chainring: 30 Circular / 32 Oval.

    That is just too limiting, bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraxFactory View Post
    Offering does not run smaller Chainring's as well...just confirmed with EVIL

    Smallest Chainring: 30 Circular / 32 Oval.

    That is just too limiting, what a major bummer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    UGH. bummer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraxFactory View Post
    Offering does not run smaller Chainring's as well...just confirmed with EVIL

    Smallest Chainring: 30 Circular / 32 Oval.

    That is just too limiting, what a major bummer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Its like the Wreckoning the chain runs almost on top of the chainstay this is why you cannot run 30t or lower, i ran a 30t oval on my Wreckoning fine but not sure about this bike.

    I thought eagle eliminated needing lower than a 30t?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    I thought eagle eliminated needing lower than a 30t?
    I'm in Coastal BC with lots of steep tech. I'm a reasonably strong climber. I've got a 28T chain ring + Eagle at the back of my 29er. I wouldn't want to have to use a 30T+ ring.
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    Funny, the people who demand the gear range of 2x say that 1x riders must be riding really flat terrain. xD

    The problem is that 34t x 10 spins at over 80 RPM to get any extra acceleration at 25 mph. 25 mph is not very high for trails in the SW USA. 35+ is a good max speed to shoot for on an everyday ride, but nowadays with smaller chainrings, it's 32+ usually.

    Kickback is terrible side effect that's typically worse in a low gear. Try riding through a chunky climb in a very low gear, then shift up 1-2 times and try again. You'll notice that you'll experience less traction loss, and a major part of that reason is due to less kickback and a more active suspension. Try riding a DH in a low gear, and try it in a high gear, and you may notice a feeling of more confidence holding it in a high gear, including an urge to pedal. If you're keeping it low, in case you need to restart from hitting the brakes due to going off the trail or stalling out on an upslope, you may notice that you're losing traction from very minor stuff such as loose-over-hard conditions, perhaps even feeling spikiness, due to the suspension not working freely (a trait holding the pedals level against kickback). Heck, kickback can be so high on these bikes, that they can accelerate upon compression, when you hold the pedals level.

    Single speeders climb ridiculous elevation with 32x20 or so. If I were riding singlespeed on flat terrain, I'd be able to get away with 37x19 or 32x14. Freeriders climbed with their 50 lb beasts with jacked up geo back in the 2000s. Riders had triple and double cranksets with 42t chainrings which were definitely used. Have people become soft? 32 lbs is too heavy? 50t cog in the back, yet still erring on the side of low gearing? Trust me, you get used to what you run. There are people doing 5+ hour rides with road gearing, on alpine trails and fireroads, just to give you an idea. Your average speed is often reflected by your gearing--stick to the low side of the gearing, and it's a good bet that your average speed will be similarly low.

    A good reason not to overfork the Offering is because it raises the BB and disrupts the balanced weight distro between the wheels, on top of moving away from the responsive, sporty, and predictive feel of short travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    This Offering was made for the guys who fit size M. Taller folks who don't fit on M should look at the other models, like the Following in XL and Wreckoning in L or XL. I wouldn't advise F'ing with the geo either, such as sticking a longer fork on it--it really is dialed (in size M). It's just that a lot of other bikes have geo dialed too (e.g. SB150 M, Ripmo L), so it's competing on chassis stiffness, suspension, spec, value, warranty, etc.
    So Iím pretty excited about the XL Offering. I love plush bikes that hover over the high speed chunk and that can climb well enough you donít hate it. I was considering the SB130 but remember the Yetiís feeling a little rough compared to my newer Niner. I want a touch more travel so shopping the 130-150 range. You make bold but valid points and have my attention. Are you suggesting I steer clear of the Offering?

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    my medium evil offering is on route...woohoo!!! FYI I am 5' 9"! I am really excited for this bike both geometry and wheel size. Evil nailed it! Their bikes ride above their travel so this is going to be a very capable bike! I believe it is going to change the way I ride in a positive way! I can't wait - tick, tock....

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    I was so close to pull the trigger on this but i can't put myself more in the hole than the FMB made me... maybe in 2 years.

    I envy you guys on the new offering. It is exactly what I wanted when the FMB came out and I got it 2 days later. Im still happy, just not content now that the offering is out. Damn you Evil !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    So Iím pretty excited about the XL Offering. I love plush bikes that hover over the high speed chunk and that can climb well enough you donít hate it. I was considering the SB130 but remember the Yetiís feeling a little rough compared to my newer Niner. I want a touch more travel so shopping the 130-150 range. You make bold but valid points and have my attention. Are you suggesting I steer clear of the Offering?
    Almost everything except Knolly, Liteville, and Ellsworth feels rough compared to Niner. Yeti is sporty, in a speed sense. Evil is rougher than sporty, in a hooligan way, having feedback that encourages active riding (AKA play). Assuming you want a bike that uses a bit more travel for the same size impacts, try a size L Ellsworth Evolution, if you can manage to fit it over the XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    If you don't climb real mountains then i think the following MB is more appropriate.
    This comment is so laughable. I know riders that shred and would bury most on this forum riding hard tails. It's like you drank the marketing coolaid full strength or had it delivered intravenously.

    There's no doubt in my mind this will be a very capable bike and will equal the Wreck in most everything. Good rider make good bikes look great. Great riders make marginal bikes look unbelievable.

    Just a suggestion here...Try not to pigeon hole stuff like bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm in Coastal BC with lots of steep tech. I'm a reasonably strong climber. I've got a 28T chain ring + Eagle at the back of my 29er. I wouldn't want to have to use a 30T+ ring.
    I am in your camp. This makes it a no go for me, would have been a perfect replacement for my V1 Following, dang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    This comment is so laughable. I know riders that shred and would bury most on this forum riding hard tails. It's like you drank the marketing coolaid full strength or had it delivered intravenously.

    There's no doubt in my mind this will be a very capable bike and will equal the Wreck in most everything. Good rider make good bikes look great. Great riders make marginal bikes look unbelievable.

    Just a suggestion here...Try not to pigeon hole stuff like bikes.
    The point was if you ride flattish terrain you don't need this bike. You would be better suited for something with less travel. The following MB is plenty capable.
    The Fact is that many people are buying bikes with travel they simply don't need.

    For the guy that can pedal at 35 mph on DH, i'm impressed, i am pretty sure pedaling down anything i ride downhill at 35 miles per hr would end in certain death.

    It sounds like your terrain is pretty flat and more XCish. Do you really need a bike with 140/150 travel? I ride all over Socal where it is steep, rough, rocky and dry, i rode a following MB on most all of my trails. The MB was under gunned on 5% of my trails.
    I feel the 140 travel would be used well, and the steep STA likewise.

    I always wonder if sometimes we THINK we need these big enduro bikes, but do we really have the terrain for them?

    Im not trying to have a go at people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    Almost everything except Knolly, Liteville, and Ellsworth feels rough compared to Niner. Yeti is sporty, in a speed sense. Evil is rougher than sporty, in a hooligan way, having feedback that encourages active riding (AKA play). Assuming you want a bike that uses a bit more travel for the same size impacts, try a size L Ellsworth Evolution, if you can manage to fit it over the XL.
    Did you just tell him that evils ride rough...... Can i ask how many bikes you have owned to draw this conclusion? In my experience evils are some of the plushest bikes i have ridden.

    The terrain i ride is rough, like really rough and my Evils have all help mute the trails.

    Then you recommend an Ellsworth? Evil is not even in the same realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    The point was if you ride flattish terrain you don't need this bike. You would be better suited for something with less travel. The following MB is plenty capable.
    The Fact is that many people are buying bikes with travel they simply don't need.

    For the guy that can pedal at 35 mph on DH, i'm impressed, i am pretty sure pedaling down anything i ride downhill at 35 miles per hr would end in certain death.

    It sounds like your terrain is pretty flat and more XCish. Do you really need a bike with 140/150 travel? I ride all over Socal where it is steep, rough, rocky and dry, i rode a following MB on most all of my trails. The MB was under gunned on 5% of my trails.
    I feel the 140 travel would be used well, and the steep STA likewise.

    I always wonder if sometimes we THINK we need these big enduro bikes, but do we really have the terrain for them?

    Im not trying to have a go at people.
    Double blacks at mammoth, noble canyon, palm canyon epic, etc... 140 wouldnt be enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    The point was if you ride flattish terrain you don't need this bike. You would be better suited for something with less travel. The following MB is plenty capable.
    The Fact is that many people are buying bikes with travel they simply don't need.

    It sounds like your terrain is pretty flat and more XCish. Do you really need a bike with 140/150 travel? I ride all over
    The FMB is very capable and so is the v1 Following. Iíd agree a good majority of riders are over biked and that was my point. All the marketing BS telling us you need this or that is helping to sell bikes to people that donít necessarily need them. Pigeon holing bikes like the Following in either version, saying itís an XC bike is really funny.

    My v1 at 120/120 66 HA rides everything from smooth flow to nasty chunk and jump lines and it climbs tech and steeps very well. In the 140/120 configuration itís ridden double blacks all over, in Pisgah and elsewhere.

    Iíve been at this a long time. We rode stuff on hardtails back in that era that would make most riders cry today. Riding Whistler on a 80mm forked HT in the 90ís was fun shit. And we ate shit sometimes but thatís riding.

    I could make this bike a very versatile bike as a 120/120 or a 140/140 if it could be short shocked (tdc_wormís idea). The frames light the geo looks great. It could totally be a one bike quiver.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    Double blacks at mammoth, noble canyon, palm canyon epic, etc... 140 wouldnt be enough.

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    Here we go again. It has more to do with geometry than travel. Iíd agree if youíre dropping overheads to flat all the time then a bigger bike is good thing but elsewhere.....itís just more to lug around that you donít need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post

    I thought eagle eliminated needing lower than a 30t?
    Yes, probably did... I've just been able to hold out on Eagle and have saved hundreds of bucks over the past two years by sticking with 11spd.
    Oh well... this bike is so badass and ideal for what I'm wanting... If it passes the demo test, I'll cave and move to Eagle w/ 30t chainring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    Funny, the people who demand the gear range of 2x say that 1x riders must be riding really flat terrain. xD

    The problem is that 34t x 10 spins at over 80 RPM to get any extra acceleration at 25 mph. 25 mph is not very high for trails in the SW USA. 35+ is a good max speed to shoot for on an everyday ride, but nowadays with smaller chainrings, it's 32+ usually.

    Kickback is terrible side effect that's typically worse in a low gear. Try riding through a chunky climb in a very low gear, then shift up 1-2 times and try again. You'll notice that you'll experience less traction loss, and a major part of that reason is due to less kickback and a more active suspension. Try riding a DH in a low gear, and try it in a high gear, and you may notice a feeling of more confidence holding it in a high gear, including an urge to pedal. If you're keeping it low, in case you need to restart from hitting the brakes due to going off the trail or stalling out on an upslope, you may notice that you're losing traction from very minor stuff such as loose-over-hard conditions, perhaps even feeling spikiness, due to the suspension not working freely (a trait holding the pedals level against kickback). Heck, kickback can be so high on these bikes, that they can accelerate upon compression, when you hold the pedals level.

    Single speeders climb ridiculous elevation with 32x20 or so. If I were riding singlespeed on flat terrain, I'd be able to get away with 37x19 or 32x14. Freeriders climbed with their 50 lb beasts with jacked up geo back in the 2000s. Riders had triple and double cranksets with 42t chainrings which were definitely used. Have people become soft? 32 lbs is too heavy? 50t cog in the back, yet still erring on the side of low gearing? Trust me, you get used to what you run. There are people doing 5+ hour rides with road gearing, on alpine trails and fireroads, just to give you an idea. Your average speed is often reflected by your gearing--stick to the low side of the gearing, and it's a good bet that your average speed will be similarly low.

    A good reason not to overfork the Offering is because it raises the BB and disrupts the balanced weight distro between the wheels, on top of moving away from the responsive, sporty, and predictive feel of short travel.
    I can agree with most of what your saying about gearing here and especially on the geometry. Iím riding 1x11ís with 30 and 32t CRís and spend most of my time in the middle of the cassette up and down. I try to gear so that I have bailout gears not spending much time in the dinner plate cogs. But theyíre there when I need them.

    Iíve always found that bigger gearing works better in rough terrain. Smoother more stable spin and less kickback. But your example of an 80 rpm spin? 80 rpms is not fast my friend. 100-120 is a fast spin. Spend time on a road or gravel bike if you want to learn how to pedal and build on the aerobics needed to maintain a higher spin.

    Matt Acker is a good example. He crushes super hard, huge climbing intensive, chunky 100ís and won the DKXL this year. 350 miles averaging 14 mph for over 25 hours. Not bad for a flat lander that knows how to pedal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I try to gear so that I have bailout gears not spending much time in the dinner plate cogs. But theyíre there when I need them.
    this...when i moved to eagle it was so i could run a larger front CR. if i am not racing, the 50t bailout gear is not used. i forced myself to stay out of it and get stronger. on race days, i use it for energy conservation. my conditioning has gone through the roof....

    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I could make this bike a very versatile bike as a 120/120 or a 140/140 if it could be short shocked (tdc_wormís idea).
    for the record: i would run it at 140mm front, 120mm rear, with the same geometry (i.e. if longer/different links allowed a shorter travel shock that didnt in turn drop the BB). I am not necessarily sold on the idea that front travel needs to equal rear travel to have a "balanced" bike. if rear wheel travel is measured in the vertical axle path and the fork travel is measured along the HT angle/stanchions, then an Offering will have 140mm of vertical travel out back and 128.5mm of travel up front when paired with a 140mm fork. food for thought.....

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    and a bit surprised no one has remarked at the "fully optimized" head angle. Evil has chosen the "mark of the beast" haha. well played, well played! could have been 66.5*. nope. could have been 66.7*. nope. 66.6*....we have you right where we want you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    Did you just tell him that evils ride rough...... Can i ask how many bikes you have owned to draw this conclusion? In my experience evils are some of the plushest bikes i have ridden.

    The terrain i ride is rough, like really rough and my Evils have all help mute the trails.

    Then you recommend an Ellsworth? Evil is not even in the same realm.
    So I take it youíve owned or have lots of miles on the Niner RIP9 and Ellsworth Evolution? How was the comparison in your experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    Almost everything except Knolly, Liteville, and Ellsworth feels rough compared to Niner. Yeti is sporty, in a speed sense. Evil is rougher than sporty, in a hooligan way, having feedback that encourages active riding (AKA play). Assuming you want a bike that uses a bit more travel for the same size impacts, try a size L Ellsworth Evolution, if you can manage to fit it over the XL.
    Did someone really just recommend an Ellsworth?

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    I have owned and ridden various bikes over the years. It is fun to try different bikes out, besides that it is a learning and educational process for me (not going to geek out on this though). I mean who doesn't want to try the latest adult toy - haha! With newer geometries, etc, and being in a financially stable part of my life, I finally paid off my student loans (woohoo) last year as I was a life long student until my early 30s. I allowed myself to try different bikes particularly riding the latest and greatest. Newer bikes are pushing the envelope of the bike evolution, and keeping an open mind is key as well as knowing what works for you.

    In the end, I always come back to Evil. There is something very unique with Evil's suspension. Yes I am fanboy because they ride so well. I respect of all of the various bikes companies out there and their philosphies - again lots of cool bikes out there. I find that Evil bikes blur lines between trail, AM, Enduro, Park, etc. Evil bikes are the most fun for how I like to ride.

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    Manitou2200, Not true in my opinion. You're a very advanced rider and you dont represent the normal distribution. An expert rider can ride anything down anything. Im closer to average and ive ridden these trails on my following. I didnt have any issues, very doable but i was descending slower, it was more sketchy, and i had to pick my lines. I went from the following to mojo3 to hd4. Hd4 is ridiculously easy, just plow everything. Super fun and fast and confident and i agree I'm overbiked on 85% of my trails but i do use all my travel on every ride and its a good climbing bike for the travel you get. I think the mojo3 was the sweet spot however the hd4 is more fun and stable. Big bikes is a more forgiving as i usually go in over my head, i prefer the added safety measure at my age.

    There is something magical with Evil bikes. The quality isnt as good as some others but the koolaid is strong. I do think the delta gives u more than its listed travel which makes me think this bike will be very capable. Just wished the seat tube length was 400mm so i can use a really long dropper. Lots of really great bikes to choose from. Sb130, ripmo, offering, etc..

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    I can confirm that Evil's pedal kickback is not ideal. It's noticeable when going race pace, for example during an enduro stage (standing up, pedaling as hard as you can, heart at 170+ bpm), through a flattish area that is very chunky (rocks, roots, whatever). It's difficult to do this on an Evil compared to a bike with very low pedal kickback. This is the only time I don't love the Evil suspension, all other areas of riding I think it's awesome. I have a calling by the way with a 32t ring in the front and 11-47 in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwren00 View Post
    I can confirm that Evil's pedal kickback is not ideal. It's noticeable when going race pace, for example during an enduro stage (standing up, pedaling as hard as you can, heart at 170+ bpm), through a flattish area that is very chunky (rocks, roots, whatever). It's very difficult to do this on an evil compared to some other bikes. This is the only time I don't love the Evil suspension, all other areas of riding I think it's awesome. I have a calling by the way with a 32t ring in the front and 11-47 in the back.
    Interesting. I can't say I've ever felt pedal kickback like this on my Calling, except under hard rear braking when kickback and suspension stiffening set in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    44mm offset will shorten the wheelbase maybe 1 quarter of an inch. Steering slows a touch
    What is pedal kickback?

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    It's when your suspension cycles into the travel and kicks back up. It us a result of anti squat ratio and suspension set up (Compression and rebound) and the effects of the delta linkage as the suspension rebounds back to normal position. More anti squat generally mens more kickback and more efficiency for pedaling.

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    You feel it as your pedalling through rougher terrain. The pedals kick back against your feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    You feel it as your pedalling through rougher terrain. The pedals kick back against your feet.
    I love Evils. But I definitely noticed the kick back in the rough. Especially if you ride flats and get a bit lazy. You get this feel itís going to pop your foot off the pedal.

    But like many have said. With suspension design there is no free lunch.

    @dude! I believe youíre on the new Yetiís too right? Would love a comparison once youíre on The Offering.


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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeldorian View Post
    I love Evils. But I definitely noticed the kick back in the rough. Especially if you ride flats and get a bit lazy. You get this feel itís going to pop your foot off the pedal.

    But like many have said. With suspension design there is no free lunch.

    @dude! I believe youíre on the new Yetiís too right? Would love a comparison once youíre on The Offering.


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    Interesting - I don't notice the pedal feedback that much or just have adapted. I noticed it on the Uprising, but on the Calling it feels fairly neutral to me.

    I switched my Yeti order to the Offering. I went back and forth between the Sb130 and Sb150 based on geometry and travel. The biggest reason that I was willing to try Yeti again was the more progressive suspension, but reports already suggesting that the Sb130 is bottoming out. This is big reason why I enjoy Evil - progressive suspension. I don't have to worry about blowing through the travel. The shit my Calling handles is some! Not many 130mm trail bikes can do what it does! Therefore, it was a no-brainer when the Offering appeared on Friday to get this! I appreciate my bike addiction dealer working with me in swapping my order up - he was super cool about this!

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    The Offering and an SB150 would be a great comparison. My LBS has both, so may need to demo both. Still seriously contemplating a Rallon as well. That is the only one I have demoed and absolutely loved it. More playful and poppy compared to my Mach 6 and jumped much better. PR'd several trails on the first ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    and a bit surprised no one has remarked at the "fully optimized" head angle. Evil has chosen the "mark of the beast" haha. well played, well played! could have been 66.5*. nope. could have been 66.7*. nope. 66.6*....we have you right where we want you!
    I actually shared my current v1 Following build geometry with the Evil boys that Iíve been riding for a year now. -1 deg HA, 120mm RS-1 526mm A2C, high geo setting. Net HA......66.6 degrees. We all had a good laugh about it earlier the year. Dylan Bibbins replied back to me that Evil supported that HA. Itís a good laugh but a little old in my book.


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    Snow worded the drawback of kickback in a common fashion: it feels like you're going to die if you pedal at high speed. A bigger chainring reduces the kickback, makes it safer to pedal since you have a lot of downward force on the pedal to mash at lower RPM, and generally sets you up to put out higher average speeds.

    Ellsworth has made a turn-around thanks to an infusion in development money. BST Nano put a lot of development into revising issues that made made Ellsworth dated, such as the long rocker arm which came with stiffness issues, on top of upgrading from aluminum to carbon frames. Brian Lopes was hired, who helped refine the geo of the Rogue and Evolution. He's been rocking them on his instagram. BST Nano folded (common fate for US carbon, vs overseas), but Ellsworth lived on, minus some carbon engineering power. I expect them to be dated without development money, but they're pretty up-to-date at this moment, minus forward geo, worth a look for someone looking to try out a more active suspension system. Not having forward geo just makes it a little inconvenient to switch from a seated position to a standing one, in the large scheme of things, but it's pretty dialed as far as out-of-the-saddle goes, if you're about as tall as Lopes (5' 9") and fit his size (L).

    I have no beef against mismatched suspension travel. It has pros and cons. When I suggested not increasing travel, I was more concerned about the overall balance of the bike and how dynamic geo plays a role, when the suspension is compressing and changing the geometry as you're riding. It's not as simple as wanting more plushness, or going with some bias that doing it always improved bikes in the past. I'd do it on a bike that it improved geo on, like a bike with a short wheelbase (1180 wb with 430+ cs), but this one's already dialed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    this...when i moved to eagle it was so i could run a larger front CR. if i am not racing, the 50t bailout gear is not used. i forced myself to stay out of it and get stronger. on race days, i use it for energy conservation. my conditioning has gone through the roof....



    for the record: i would run it at 140mm front, 120mm rear, with the same geometry (i.e. if longer/different links allowed a shorter travel shock that didnt in turn drop the BB). I am not necessarily sold on the idea that front travel needs to equal rear travel to have a "balanced" bike. if rear wheel travel is measured in the vertical axle path and the fork travel is measured along the HT angle/stanchions, then an Offering will have 140mm of vertical travel out back and 128.5mm of travel up front when paired with a 140mm fork. food for thought.....
    Nor am I a believer that the travel has to be identical F2R. Iíve been an adopter of the reverse mullet for probably 15 years or so. My reasons for fork lengths matched to rear travel is all about geometry, balance, stack height and reach. Looking for the best combination of climbing and descending for what Iím riding. Bottom line is I change it up when I need to.


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    Just subscribing. I am between this bike and the ripmo (I demoed a large ripmo 6í and really liked it).

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    Does anyone know why there is a minimum chain ring size? Is it because of the chain guide? Is it because of kickback? I also run a 28T 11 speed on my 29ers in Northern California. Just too many sustained 12% grades around. I suppose I could cope with a 30T oval, but it can't even accept that. I just ordered a frame from Fanatik but may have to switch to the Ripmo. I was super psyched about this thing.

    What about rear tire clearance? If this thing can't take a 29x2.5 Aggressor, I also might be out. It seems ridiculous that anyone would build a bike these days that couldn't.

    Finally, who's thinking Fox36 Grip2 and lowering the fork to 150mm with a new air shaft? It's that or the MRP Ribbon for me, if I stick with this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    Does anyone know why there is a minimum chain ring size? Is it because of the chain guide? Is it because of kickback? I also run a 28T 11 speed on my 29ers in Northern California. Just too many sustained 12% grades around. I suppose I could cope with a 30T oval, but it can't even accept that. I just ordered a frame from Fanatik but may have to switch to the Ripmo. I was super psyched about this thing.

    What about rear tire clearance? If this thing can't take a 29x2.5 Aggressor, I also might be out. It seems ridiculous that anyone would build a bike these days that couldn't.

    Finally, who's thinking Fox36 Grip2 and lowering the fork to 150mm with a new air shaft? It's that or the MRP Ribbon for me, if I stick with this bike.
    Website says 2.6 rubber fits.
    Fox36 Grip2 at 150 is what I'm thinking, for sure.

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    Demo a medium wreckoning lb from the hub is Pisgah yesterday at 5í8 couldnít use all of the dropper do to seat post insertion length on frame . So might have to go with size small frame. Med wreck and small offering are pretty close in numbers. The bike was very fun to ride.

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    I don't feel the kickback on my Insurgent, not in comparison to the VPP bikes I've been riding for the past 15 years. Is it because I use a 34t ring?

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    I noticed little kickback on the wreck but wasnít that bad. Does anyone know seat tube insertion length on the small and medium frame offering or wreck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWnSWCO View Post
    Website says 2.6 rubber fits.
    Fox36 Grip2 at 150 is what I'm thinking, for sure.
    What's interesting is that it says 2.4 in the specification section.

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    Ordered an Offering on Monday, just got to my local Evil dealer yesterday. Picking up tomorrow at the latest. Pretty excited - exact bike I have been looking for.

    I am 5'10" but I have extremely long arms. Reading the posts here and talking with Evil I went with a Medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    What's interesting is that it says 2.4 in the specification section.
    Interesting. Hopefully it is not another case of tires rubbing on the seat post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dude View Post
    Interesting. Hopefully it is not another case of tires rubbing on the seat post.
    Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a cut and paste error from another bike. I emailed them about it and am awaiting a response.

    Still curious about the chain ring thing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a cut and paste error from another bike. I emailed them about it and am awaiting a response.

    Still curious about the chain ring thing too.
    With the steeper seat post tire rub on the seat post should be a non issues but there could be other clearance issues still.

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    Does anyone know why there is a minimum chain ring size? Is it because of the chain guide? Is it because of kickback? I also run a 28T 11 speed on my 29ers in Northern California. Just too many sustained 12% grades around.
    I also use a wide range 11spd. 28tooth chainring with 10-48 garburuk cassette. i just contacted garbaruk last night and got a 50tooth cog. so i can now change to a 30tooth to make my 11spd work

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    Parking the topic of cost and money....

    What is everyoneís thought on the Evil Offering vs the Santa Cruz Hightower (either the orig or the HT)?

    Iím 6Ē1 with long upper body so reach is a big factor for me, hence my interest here .

    Would be very interested on hearing anyone who has tried both bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    Does anyone know why there is a minimum chain ring size? Is it because of the chain guide?
    My guess would be because the chainstays on evils are very tall. This results in the chain being just mm's away from the top of the chainstay.

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    This was exactly me. I was going to buy a Hightower LT on Friday. Then that same day EVIL came out with a new bike...

    I sat on a large LT, and it felt good. I never found anything negative about Santa Cruz and have loved them in the past. In the end there was something that kept drawing me back to Evil Bikes. So I ordered the Offering.

    I am a bit shorter than you, but long arms. I went with Medium on Evil based on the recommendations from them.

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    New Hightower will be out at the end of the year, don't buy a bike that will be dated in 6 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    New Hightower will be out at the end of the year, don't buy a bike that will be dated in 6 months.
    This was also my concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    New Hightower will be out at the end of the year, don't buy a bike that will be dated in 6 months.
    There aren't any bikes that are immune to that
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    All the talk about tire rub, chainring, and kick back are just based off of other bikes correct? We dont have an actual review of the bike yet correct?

    Without searching through this entire thread, what was the biggest chainring that can be put on this bike? 34t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    New Hightower will be out at the end of the year, don't buy a bike that will be dated in 6 months.
    And the new LT will be *dated in the following 6 months. Not sure what your point is?

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    Nevermind, I found the max chain ring size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperfox114 View Post
    Demo a medium wreckoning lb from the hub is Pisgah yesterday at 5í8 couldnít use all of the dropper do to seat post insertion length on frame . So might have to go with size small frame. Med wreck and small offering are pretty close in numbers. The bike was very fun to ride.
    I'm about 5' 8 1/2" and have a med Wreckoning, post insertion is 22.5 cm ( measured by myself ). I have a 150 mm reverb that is inserted all the way, it feels like it is about 5 mm too high for my short leg ( left ) but I've been doing it ok since I bought it, about one month ago. I'm going to buy the Wolf Tooth Remote Sustain lever which gives you about 4 cm more clearance. Hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrEndoBars View Post
    Parking the topic of cost and money....

    What is everyoneís thought on the Evil Offering vs the Santa Cruz Hightower (either the orig or the HT)?

    Iím 6Ē1 with long upper body so reach is a big factor for me, hence my interest here .

    Would be very interested on hearing anyone who has tried both bikes.
    Evil's in general have longer top tube/reach measurements than SC. I ride a medium on Evil and would go large with a Hightower. I personally liked the original HT better than the LT as I just think the handling felt more dialed. I am pretty sure that the next HT's will go the route of the more recent Nomad/Bronson in design and be better for it.

    That said, to date nothing I've ridden (I've ridden every popular long travel 29er out save the Sentinel) touched my Wreckoning for all around performance. It's really on another level. I'd put you on a large Evil and I think you'd be quite comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    And the new LT will be *dated in the following 6 months. Not sure what your point is?
    The point is that the Hightower linkage has currently been around for 3+ yrs, the new linkage (Nomad, Bronson) will be here soon.

    Why would you invest into a bike that will have been improved on so soon.

    I an assuming i dint make that clear enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    All the talk about tire rub, chainring, and kick back are just based off of other bikes correct? We dont have an actual review of the bike yet correct?

    Without searching through this entire thread, what was the biggest chainring that can be put on this bike? 34t?
    The rub was on on the following V1 and has not been an issue on any of the other models to my knowledge having owned 3 of them.

    Kickback......... that guy is blowing up the Yeti thread also. Just ride your bike as Evils Ride amazingly well.

    34t yes, not sure why people need a 36t with a 1x? The trails i ride are pretty steep and most of the time i'm trying to slow myself down not pedal to get faster. I guess that's a me thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    My guess would be because the chainstays on evils are very tall. This results in the chain being just mm's away from the top of the chainstay.
    Aha. Having never owned an Evil, I wouldn't have thought of that. However that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    And the new LT will be *dated in the following 6 months. Not sure what your point is?
    Dated in the sense that all new bikes are coming out with this new school steep seat post, slack head angles and long front center. It will be dated not by time but by the next geo move for MTB bikes.

    Same Yeti made so many other bikes feel old once they jumped on this whole ďSBGĒ thing.


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    6 FT 1.5 here, just ordered a Large Evil Offering in blue. GX spec with the RockShox super deluxe rear and Pike RCT3 140mm fork. Any opinions on this fork?

    Nervous about how it will climb compared to my SB 5.5 its replacing! Hopefully with that 77 degree angle it will be decent!

    Will let you guys know my thoughts vs the Yeti sb55c soon..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    The rub was on on the following V1 and has not been an issue on any of the other models to my knowledge having owned 3 of them.

    Kickback......... that guy is blowing up the Yeti thread also. Just ride your bike as Evils Ride amazingly well.

    34t yes, not sure why people need a 36t with a 1x? The trails i ride are pretty steep and most of the time i'm trying to slow myself down not pedal to get faster. I guess that's a me thing.
    LOL thanks man, ya I am following a couple of yeti threads as well (150 and 130 on my short list, along with this bike now) and saw the post about this guy sharing his "wisdom"

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    dumb question, but just to confirm, the frame only option does come with the Rockshox Super Deluxe RCT Debonair right?

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    Just ordered a small calling frame, and was able to get a Fox DPX2 for the same price. Not advertised on their website, although a number of their pics show the Fox shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loadnreturn View Post
    Just ordered a small calling frame, and was able to get a Fox DPX2 for the same price. Not advertised on their website, although a number of their pics show the Fox shock.
    How were you able to do that? Did you call them up?

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    LBS/Evil Dealer called them for me, but you could likely do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loadnreturn View Post
    LBS/Evil Dealer called them for me, but you could likely do the same.
    sort of off topic........is there a major difference in the two shocks? Is the DPX2 considered better? Or just a matter of opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    sort of off topic........is there a major difference in the two shocks? Is the DPX2 considered better? Or just a matter of opinion


    I think you are splitting hairs comparing the DPX2 and Super Deluxe. I ride both and think it comes down to personal preference. Not that it makes a material difference, but I tend to match my shock and fork brands.

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    The Evil OFFERING....-2018-10-03-16.43.57-copy.jpg

    Even the dog was amazed by the Offering

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    The Evil OFFERING....-54a9fe38-127a-43a2-b74e-60b12db95223.jpg

    My boy blue looks even better in person.

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    How does the paint finish compare to previous Evil bikes? Better quality? That black is black!


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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeldorian View Post
    How does the paint finish compare to previous Evil bikes? Better quality? That black is black!


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    Paint is very solid! There are a number of little refined aspects of the frame - for example lower shock mount.

    My last bit of parts arrive tomorrow to finalize the build.

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    Sweet Dude! I'm psyched for you. I want one. I think i'd keep my v1 Following set up at 120/120 and ride the new Offering at 140/140 with a -1 deg Works Angleset in the higher geo setting. This bike will crush trails!
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    can anyone confirm if a 30 chainring is ok? Or is the chainline too low?
    Big hills around here!

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