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    Wriad 10-27-2007

    Anyone up for a trip around the White Rim on October 27th?

    Let me know if so.

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    Just did it on Saturday, excellent conditions. You'll like it, a lot.

    And the Lev is the ideal bike, lets you sit and big-ring through the roughrock patches after 9 hours on the go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionsmuse
    Just did it on Saturday, excellent conditions. You'll like it, a lot.

    And the Lev is the ideal bike, lets you sit and big-ring through the roughrock patches after 9 hours on the go.
    Excellent....thanks for the update.

    I had planned on taking the Moots due to it's 4 bottle cages VS. 3 on the Lev.......but if you say so.......:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Anyone up for a trip around the White Rim on October 27th?

    Let me know if so.

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    Sounds great. Can't commit till I see what train wreck leaves Moab next weekend...but consider me tentative and highly interested. Haven't been there since...last winter? That's far too long ago.

    It could be a Lev group ride

    You gonna be in Moab next weekend Donkey?
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    Tenative as well

    Same as DaveH about 24**** recovery but i'm itching to ride and do some camping which makes for a nice weekend in moab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh

    You gonna be in Moab next weekend Donkey?
    I wish I was.....but I just can't swing that much time away from work, etc...

    We'd love to have you for the WR.....try to make it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Anyone up for a trip around the White Rim on October 27th?
    Very, very interested. Right now, I am in the early phases of off-season fatness. Plus, I have a CX bike on the way. Either way, I'll either be there to start some base for 2008 or bleeding out my eyes at a local Front Range CX event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Very, very interested. Should know early the week of.
    Maybe carpool down from the FR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Maybe carpool down from the FR?
    An option for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Maybe carpool down from the FR?
    Come one come all! The more the merrier.

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    Man.....

    It I wasn't flying back from san fran after drinking way tooooo much i'd be down!


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    I'd sooo be in for a Donkey & Moonbeam ride on the White Rim... if we weren't being total road whores right now. How about we do tomorrow or the next day instead? ;-)
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    All y'all being not-so-fresh from racing Moab or gettin your off-season fat going sounds about perfect for me to kill myself all day to keep you in sight. And hello Brendan & Mary.... be road whores again. It's Brian's 30th Birthday with riding and camping. It's bound to be a jolly good time.

    Seriously, hope y'all can make it down...er...over....

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    30th???

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam
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    All y'all being not-so-fresh from racing Moab or gettin your off-season fat going sounds about perfect for me to kill myself all day to keep you in sight. And hello Brendan & Mary.... be road whores again. It's Brian's 30th Birthday with riding and camping. It's bound to be a jolly good time.

    Seriously, hope y'all can make it down...er...over....

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    Shucks, can't pass up a 30th celebration. It's nothing about being fresh though, it's more about being able to function. I've spent 5 of the past 11 months rehabing race injuries. Coming out races whole isn't something I take for granted anymore

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    Sweet! I should be there.
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    I'm drooling on my keyboard. If I am a lucky, lucky girl I will be there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyndaW
    I'm drooling on my keyboard. If I am a lucky, lucky girl I will be there too.
    Our fingers are collectively crossed:-)

    This is shaping up to be one heck of a birthday party:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh
    Coming out races whole isn't something I take for granted anymore

    If'n I can ride, I'll be there!
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    Any ideas of a start time and meeting place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Our fingers are collectively crossed:-)
    awww shucks - thanks. Warm and fuzzies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Any ideas of a start time and meeting place?
    Not a clue. Early?

    Perhaps those of you that have done the ride can comment on a good spot to park/start from/time?

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    Start time/place

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    Not a clue. Early?

    Perhaps those of you that have done the ride can comment on a good spot to park/start from/time?
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    I'm completely flexible but my usual MO is to start just before dawn on the road section which ever direction I'm going. It's usually quite nice to watch the dawn come up from the trail and you can cut most of the road riding out during the dark without needing any serious lights.

    I usually park outside of the pay area, at the intersection of 313 and mineral bottom road and just drop an envelope in the box at some point with the bike fee. Both directions (CW and CCW) are nice, I don't have a real favorite although if I was pressed to pick I'd like to try going up Shafer again which would mean CCW. The climb from mineral bottom back to the cars is longer than my memory thinks it is going the other way.
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    Early for sure. Right at...or near...sun up would be cool.

    Anyone got a map image to post?

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    Island in the sky map

    Island in the sky

    The place I"m talking about is right near the top of the page.
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    I've alternated direction each time I've done it, and this time around was impressed with how (relatively) easy Shafer was to climb. Plus having Monument Basin towards the end is a fantastic boost to the psyche.

    I will say that those pavement rollers were waay harder than they should've been, after burning all my matches on the Shafer that was pretty deflating.

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    Ooooo, Lynda-- please come!

    Besides that it would be fun to ride with you all day, I have been doing some paleo baking and would love for you to be a taste-tester...just be gentle if it tastes like poo. Brian has liked what I've made...but he doesn't have a discriminating taste.

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    Yessir. We had talked about heading south from the parking area to get the pavement done first.... but of course, the Birthday Boy will likely take the advice of others and determine the final plan.
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    You got it Jeff. The pay booth/box is between the parking and the turn off down schafer, somewhere on that 5.6 mile section. I think bikes are $5.
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    Parking options

    There is a decent size parking lot inside the Park boundary just past the visitor center. I think the Park staff would probably recommend against it, but ten cars or less go unnoticed there. It's a good place to start if you're going ccw.

    I like to park at the corner of 313 and Mineral Bottom rd. too. It is the best choice for many vehicles. Of course parking there leaves you finishing with either a long gradual uphill along the Mineral Bottom rd., or a potentially cold ride across the pavement on top.

    There is a dirt road just outside the park boundary (note this is well past the entrance booth), where people often park. Again, probably not the best choice for more than ten cars.

    The dirt lot at the top of the Schafer trail (below pavement) is definitely not favored by the Park staff. A single vehicle usually does OK, but multiple ones might incur some wrath.

    This group should be OK, but daylight will be in shorter supply then. The section between Mineral Bottom and the Park entrance (along the Green River) can be pretty chilly early in the morning that time of year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frejwilk
    The section between Mineral Bottom and the Park entrance (along the Green River) can be pretty chilly early in the morning that time of year.

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    You mean this part?

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    Sure

    A little ice is fine. I just don't want to deal with this again. That guy really harshed my mello
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    Just curious, how long is this little ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomk96
    Just curious, how long is this little ride?
    ~100 miles
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    Sounds like fun. Too bad I'll be here in Chicago. Well, and besides the fact that I'd get dropped in the first mile.

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    Given Fred's suggestions above in regards to parking.....anyone care to propose a meeting place and start time? I have no preference in regards to CW or CCW.

    I would like to get the paved portion(or at least part of it) out of the way early.

    I'm up for anything......you guys know the area far better than I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    A little ice is fine. I just don't want to deal with this again. That guy really harshed my mello

    I scoped the route he took to cut us off, an old cattle trail hacked through the cliff I'd never noticed before. Sneaky bugger.

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    You all thought about meeting at that Horsethief CG at the far north end of the loop? It's out of the NP, but right on the loop. Nice little CG too.

    I looped the WR in a day a few times last spring getting ready for the GDR....I might head out for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint John
    You all thought about meeting at that Horsethief CG at the far north end of the loop? It's out of the NP, but right on the loop. Nice little CG too.

    I looped the WR in a day a few times last spring getting ready for the GDR....I might head out for this.
    The HorseThief CG is just north of where the red "P" is on Jeff's map right? If that's the one you're thinking of it's less than 0.25mile away from the P.

    We can park there or at the visitors center. It doesn't really matter to me. If we park at the Visitors center we can do the paved road and the mineral bottom road first and end climbing up back to the cars. If we park at the currently drawn "P" we can go the opposite direction and do the paved road first and and climb mineral bottom back to the cars. There should be enough parking for the group at both spots with the current size, esp if we're carpooling sets of people anyway.
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    Here's an idea(courtesy of Mikesee)......how do you guys feel about camping along the river at the bottom of Mineral?

    This would allow us to get the mineral climb out of the way early.....and we could stash water near the guard shack?

    The best part about this idea is being able to camp by the river and off the plateau?

    Thoughts?

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    camping

    I don't have an issue with that. Gets us warm right off the bat with the climb and gets the most boring road stuff out of the way early (in the dark?), leaving us with a nice sunrise coming down Shafer possibly. After the hogback it's mostly cruising. Hardscrabble would just be a bump in the road before getting back to camp.

    I've never taken a vehicle down mineral bottom switchbacks, any issues there? Don't know if I'd have the Element or be carpooling. Water shouldn't be a big issue for me. I'd likely haul all I need from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Here's an idea(courtesy of Mikesee)......how do you guys feel about camping along the river at the bottom of Mineral?

    This would allow us to get the mineral climb out of the way early.....and we could stash water near the guard shack?

    The best part about this idea is being able to camp by the river and off the plateau?

    Thoughts?

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    Not a bad idear at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    I've never taken a vehicle down mineral bottom switchbacks, any issues there? .

    Nope, any vehicle driven with a smattering of intelligence will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Here's an idea(courtesy of Mikesee)......how do you guys feel about camping along the river at the bottom of Mineral?

    This would allow us to get the mineral climb out of the way early.....and we could stash water near the guard shack?

    The best part about this idea is being able to camp by the river and off the plateau?

    Thoughts?

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    Well I've done the WR at least a dozen times now and that's my favorite way to get'r done. The camping is killer, the road stuff is dispensed with early, the rockier stuff comes early, it's all downhill past Murphy's anyway, right?

    Great idea, I'm all for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh
    Well I've done the WR at least a dozen times now and that's my favorite way to get'r done. The camping is killer, the road stuff is dispensed with early, the rockier stuff comes early, it's all downhill past Murphy's anyway, right?

    Great idea, I'm all for it.
    I think it's settled then. Camp on the river at the bottom of mineral.

    Start time.....5? 4? 4:30?

    We'll likely be at there by mid afternoon. Come camp and eat some food with us!

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    I'll fourth that notion and agree it's a great way to start the day. Hopefully I'll be there if I can rest up after chasing Dave and the rest of the solo class around. For the WRIAD at least we can sit around the campfire, drink beer, and laugh about this weekend. Now I need to figure out why I am still typing and not packing. Get a lap in for me today and see yall tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh
    You mean this part?

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/hairball.dh/MoabWinter/photo#5022559233008132354"><img src="https://lh5.google.com/hairball.dh/RbO3AwLO4QI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/eUGSQPM1C-M/s800/100_1503.JPG" border=0/></a>

    Yes, I'd say that shows the chilliness pretty well. I can usually gauge how frozen my camelback is by the amount of ice in the river. Shouldn't be such a skating rink there yet for this one.

    Still seems like a cold morning for those camping down by the river. Brr. The Mineral Bottom road should warm riders up pretty quickly. It is a decently maintained road (boat trailers go down all the time) I would caution though that it's a pretty scary drive for a lot of folks. Definitely a no-no with any weather.

    Maybe see you all in a few weeks.

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    damn i may have to come too....
    anyone heading out from Western slope anywhere?

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    Sounds like a fun time but I will be racing in the Monument Divide Race (aka 50/50) in Grand Junction on the same day...enjoy the WR.

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    I'm in desperate need of some time in the desert (30 days straight with rain will do that) so despite the fact that I live 2,500 miles away I'm thinking pretty seriously (as in, I have a plane ticket to Vegas on hold that I just need to call to finalize before Monday night) about a little Southern Utah vacation in a couple weeks in which I'd try to coordinate hitting up this ride with you all. I guess you're all gone away to Moab right now but once the dust settles from that I had a quick question: what's an estimate on the time you're looking at doing this in? I've done a very relaxed WRIAD in about 13 hours and I'm sure I could comfortably do it a fair amount faster than that, but if you're all thinking about going out and busting it out in 8 hours or something crazy like that I'm not so sure I'm up for that. Hope you all had a good ride this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    I'm in desperate need of some time in the desert (30 days straight with rain will do that) so despite the fact that I live 2,500 miles away I'm thinking pretty seriously (as in, I have a plane ticket to Vegas on hold that I just need to call to finalize before Monday night) about a little Southern Utah vacation in a couple weeks in which I'd try to coordinate hitting up this ride with you all. I guess you're all gone away to Moab right now but once the dust settles from that I had a quick question: what's an estimate on the time you're looking at doing this in? I've done a very relaxed WRIAD in about 13 hours and I'm sure I could comfortably do it a fair amount faster than that, but if you're all thinking about going out and busting it out in 8 hours or something crazy like that I'm not so sure I'm up for that. Hope you all had a good ride this weekend.
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    I'm going to be riding more of a relaxed pace. I'm sure some of the group will be looking to move fairly quickly.....but I'm more looking to get out, see the Southwest, take a few photos, enjoy some friends and get in a nice long ride.

    That being said.......I was planning on somewhere between 10 and 13 hours.

    Hope you can join us,

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    I'm very interested in this ride. White Rim has been on my list for a while.

    A big up on the plan to start from Mineral Bottom and ride up it, across the plateau, then down Shaffer (CW).

    I support the plan to drop some water as close as possible to the top of Shaffer so I don't have to carry so much (will it freeze? put the water in a cheap styrofoam cooler?).

    I'll be in the relaxed ride group. I'm in decent shape, do plenty of MTB riding and a handful of road centuries each year. I think I could do it in 10 hours.

    I'll be coming from Orem, Utah (40 miles south of Salt Lake City). I may be able to convince some of my buddies to join me, but even then I should have some room for more if anyone wants to carpool. PM me if interested.
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    Hey this sounds like fun!

    Hello all out there, can I come too? Just wondering is this a ride or a race incognito? I suppose there will be more than one group after a bit, but I am not looking to do a hammer fest or anything of the like, just wondering if there is a plan for time going around. I did it once many years ago and it took about 11:20 ish, Anyways there are some of you on this post I do not know and i don't want to crash anyones party here , I'll keep an eye on this post and watch what happens Jefe
    PS DH haven't seen many posts from ya lately, how's ST. G and you're recovery? Good luck at Moab!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Hello all out there, can I come too? Just wondering is this a ride or a race incognito? I suppose there will be more than one group after a bit, but I am not looking to do a hammer fest or anything of the like, just wondering if there is a plan for time going around. I did it once many years ago and it took about 11:20 ish, Anyways there are some of you on this post I do not know and i don't want to crash anyones party here , I'll keep an eye on this post and watch what happens Jefe
    PS DH haven't seen many posts from ya lately, how's ST. G and you're recovery? Good luck at Moab!
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    Come one come all my friend. We'd love to have you.

    As for pace........I'm planning on a relaxed cruise in the desert:-) I'm planning on somewhere between 10 and 13 hours. Picture taking....snack eating......that's what I'm planning on.

    Hopefully you can make it. Come out on Friday and camp by the river with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    As for pace........I'm planning on a relaxed cruise in the desert:-) I'm planning on somewhere between 10 and 13 hours. Picture taking....snack eating......that's what I'm planning on.
    Ditto!
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    Well, it looks like the family may have other plans for me on the 27th. I hate to miss the chance to meet and ride with y'all, but there is always next time I suppose.

    Have a great time down there everyone, I will be thinking of the great scenery and conversation I am missing while you are out there.
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    Sweet.....Dido is going to join us. Carol Ann will be happy to have a girl to ride with!:-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Sweet.....Dido is going to join us. Carol Ann will be happy to have a girl to ride with!:-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam
    Yay for me. Maybe she can teach me how to make those sexy, sultry looks too.

    I thought all southern ladies were taught that before the age of 8.

    (ps: Holy crap am I clever.)

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    I'd also like to add that I'm really glad this ride thread has generated three pages of responses, perhaps 50% of which are at all relevant.

    I think this is the MTBR equiv. of Donkey for Homecoming King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionsmuse
    I thought all southern ladies were taught that before the age of 8.
    Perhaps now would be a good time to admit that I'm actually a coonass, aka--Louisiana redneck. We aren't taught much in the ways of Emily Post.
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    Not racin

    No plans to go to fast for this guy. Just want to cruise with the group and chill. Whatever pace that works out to is fine with me. At least I came out of Moab in one piece and legs felt good today!
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    ok, i'm about 99% sure i'm going to be joining you all. i've got work off, i've got a plane ticket booked, now i just need to find me a bike to ride and transportation from vegas to moab, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to work both of these minor issues out one way or another.

    i do have one more question though, when you talk about meeting up along the river at mineral bottom do you mean north of the actual ride route a bit, up toward the boat launch or along the actual ride route south of mineral bottom road?

    since i've never actually met any of you it'll be easiest if i have the best sense possible as to where you'll actually be, especially since it'll likely be dark when i get there and dark when we start riding. also, does anyone know any vehicles they will definitely have with them? that might be the most helpful info.

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    so wish I could do this again this year

    But work/ seeing fam it just wont happen as much as i's like to ditch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    ok, i'm about 99% sure i'm going to be joining you all. i've got work off, i've got a plane ticket booked, now i just need to find me a bike to ride and transportation from vegas to moab, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to work both of these minor issues out one way or another.
    PSB has a pretty nice rental fleet, if you dont mind renting a bike. Maybe Fred could make sure they dont all get rented out before the ride. I'm not sure if thats an issue this time of year.
    I want to make it for the ride, but right now i'm only 50% sure I can. Maybe I'll see everybody there.
    Edit: I got roped into working this weekend, guess I will have to put me Moab trip on hold. You guys have a blast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    ok, i'm about 99% sure i'm going to be joining you all. i've got work off, i've got a plane ticket booked, now i just need to find me a bike to ride and transportation from vegas to moab, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to work both of these minor issues out one way or another.
    Plenty of bike shops in Moab. Not sure which one would have the best bike for this ride (you'll probably want a light, full-suspension cross-country bike). Here's a list of shops (scroll down for Moab), or just search for "moab bike shops".

    You can also ship your bike to Vegas or a Moab bike shop. Most shops are happy to receive your bike for you if you arrange it with them.

    i do have one more question though, when you talk about meeting up along the river at mineral bottom do you mean north of the actual ride route a bit, up toward the boat launch or along the actual ride route south of mineral bottom road?
    I have the same concern. When I looked at the area with Google Earth or Maps I'll bet I saw the same thing you saw. So is this the camp / meeting spot?

    since i've never actually met any of you it'll be easiest if i have the best sense possible as to where you'll actually be, especially since it'll likely be dark when i get there and dark when we start riding. also, does anyone know any vehicles they will definitely have with them? that might be the most helpful info.
    I'm pretty sure I'll make this trip, but it's not 100% and I'm not sure which car I'll take so I don't think it wise to give you my vehicle description. Maybe someone could make a sign that says WRIAD MTBR and put it on their car, or make a sign for the turn off of the road. Good old paper plates are the age-old standby for this duty, but something bigger would be nice for all the night arrivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    ok, i'm about 99% sure i'm going to be joining you all. i've got work off, i've got a plane ticket booked, now i just need to find me a bike to ride and transportation from vegas to moab, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to work both of these minor issues out one way or another.

    i do have one more question though, when you talk about meeting up along the river at mineral bottom do you mean north of the actual ride route a bit, up toward the boat launch or along the actual ride route south of mineral bottom road?

    since i've never actually met any of you it'll be easiest if i have the best sense possible as to where you'll actually be, especially since it'll likely be dark when i get there and dark when we start riding. also, does anyone know any vehicles they will definitely have with them? that might be the most helpful info.
    I'll let some of the locals chime in with regards to where we should camp(I've never been to this particular area so I haven't a clue!)

    As for vehicles.....We'll either be in a silver VW Jetta wagon with a roof rack or a burnt orange Honda Element with a hitch rack and a Moots sticker on the window. I'll make sure to put some sort of sign on whichever vehicle we end up driving.

    Perhaps one of the locals can make an exact recomendation for where we should camp?

    This is gonna be fun.

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    ya bringing one of those heavy bikes with 26 more gears than you need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Perhaps one of the locals can make an exact recomendation for where we should camp?
    When you hit the bottom of the Mineral Bottom road (and you'll have no doubt about when that happens), you want to stay to the right, heading upriver. I don't think we've ever gone more than 1/4 mile before finding a spot in the cottonwoods to call 'home' for the weekend. Definitely never gone as far as the boat launch.

    Should be stunning color along the river that weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    When you hit the bottom of the Mineral Bottom road (and you'll have no doubt about when that happens), you want to stay to the right, heading upriver. I don't think we've ever gone more than 1/4 mile before finding a spot in the cottonwoods to call 'home' for the weekend. Definitely never gone as far as the boat launch.

    Should be stunning color along the river that weekend.

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    There you have it folks......we'll be camped between the bottom of Mineral and the boatlaunch.....in the cottonwoods.....and no further than 1/4 mile from the road.

    Done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    As for vehicles.....We'll either be in a silver VW Jetta wagon with a roof rack or a burnt orange Honda Element with a hitch rack and a Moots sticker on the window. I'll make sure to put some sort of sign on whichever vehicle we end up driving.
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    Can I vote for the burnt orange Honda Element so the silver VW Jetta wagon can finally go to the shop and get fixed from the drunk-landlord-backing-into-it adventure?
    I'm good for 1/2 the gas, promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam
    Can I vote for the burnt orange Honda Element so the silver VW Jetta wagon can finally go to the shop and get fixed from the drunk-landlord-backing-into-it adventure?
    I'm good for 1/2 the gas, promise.

    And yes, this is gonna be fun.
    Alright gentlemen......sounds like we'll be driving/camping in a burnt orange Element with a hitch rack:-)

    Sooo........for those of you that did Moab 24.......how are you feeling? You gonna make it out to play with us?

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    worried about that drop into mineral

    Hey Y'all, as long as the weather's good I should be able to show up for the ride, I will be working on friday so can't leave Gunny till 2-3 pm, about five hour drive puts me there well after dark. Last time I saw that road i was riding the WR and bonking hard, but i don't really want to drive down that at night. So unless anyone's got any ideas I may camp out higher up and just finish up the road. If so what time y'all planning on starting so I could be ready and waiting to join in? Very excited been 6-7 years since I rode the WR, hmmmm oh yeah, and to ride with what sounds like a cool group. Good Stuff. Peace Jefe

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    yay!

    I'm doing good after Moab and I'll be there. Travel arrangements are a bit uncertain still but one way or another I'll be there. Have to work friday I think so no matter what I'll be arriving after dark.

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    almost there ... stay on target

    I'm still on target for the ride. Forecast looks good, but it's too far out to be very certain - the forecasts from Wednesday on will be more accurate. I prefer the National Weather Service.

    I'm planning to leave Friday afternoon and will probably arrive after dark and drive down the Mineral Bottom road, unless it's muddy or someone tells me not to. I haven't heard that it's so bad that I wouldn't attempt it. I have a small front wheel drive car. I'm OK driving it on dirt roads unless there are big bumps/dips/rocks that require higher clearance. I'd rather drive down a sketchy road and have that climb up out of Mineral Bottom at the start instead of the end of the ride.

    Food: My plan is to eat some kind of breakfast food in camp before starting the ride. Pack plenty of gels, some fruit snacks (poor man's shot blocks), granola bars, fig newtons for munching along the way. Bagels and bananas for lunch. A selection of munchies and food at the car to feast upon upon return. Is this a good menu? Enough food?

    Water: 100 oz CamelBak plus 1 or 2 water bottles. Drop a gallon jug of water as near Shaffer as possible. Is this enough water? Take a filter for pumping water from Colorado River?

    Everyone encourage Kerkove to come - I need that dayglo green Ergon FJ as my lighthouse so I can find my way into camp!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KanyonKris
    Everyone encourage Kerkove to come - I need that dayglo green Ergon FJ as my lighthouse so I can my way into camp!
    I am about 50-50 right now. I have been on the road and living out of a suit case for the last 2 months. Plus, I just moved to Ft. Collins. Not sure yet, but I might just stay local and ride. We'll see....

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    wookieone: another option is to catch a ride down to Mineral Bottoms with someone else from the group. Have your MTBR WRIAD sign. If I see you I'll give you a lift down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Hey Y'all, as long as the weather's good I should be able to show up for the ride, I will be working on friday so can't leave Gunny till 2-3 pm, about five hour drive puts me there well after dark. Last time I saw that road i was riding the WR and bonking hard, but i don't really want to drive down that at night. So unless anyone's got any ideas I may camp out higher up and just finish up the road. If so what time y'all planning on starting so I could be ready and waiting to join in? Very excited been 6-7 years since I rode the WR, hmmmm oh yeah, and to ride with what sounds like a cool group. Good Stuff. Peace Jefe
    I'd like to be rolling by 5am at the latest. Does that sound right to everyone? Roughly how long will it take us to get from camp to the top where you'll be camped?

    I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    I'm doing good after Moab and I'll be there. Travel arrangements are a bit uncertain still but one way or another I'll be there. Have to work friday I think so no matter what I'll be arriving after dark.

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    Nice....glad to hear you can make it. Will Marni and that dog of yours be coming with?(yeah, I read your blog)

    Oh....and what's the story DH? Can you take some time out of your Trans-Utah scouting for a fin little ride? Lynda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Nice....glad to hear you can make it. Will Marni and that dog of yours be coming with?(yeah, I read your blog)

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    I dunno quite yet. If Marni comes then so will Turbo. She's wrapping up parent/teacher conferences tonight so I assume by tomorrow afternoon she'll have a chance to think about the weekend. She won't ride the whole rim with us (nor get up to ride at 5am I suspect) but if she comes I bet she'll bring her bike and ride out a ways the opposite direction we're going. The two of us are going to make a 2-3 day trip around the rim soon and I know she's excited to get a taste.

    From the base of mineral to the top of the switchbacks only takes ~15 minutes or so. I think it's a mile if I remember right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Oh....and what's the story DH? Can you take some time out of your Trans-Utah scouting for a fin little ride? Lynda?

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    Hmmm....it isn't looking too likely at this point. I'd love to do it but the timing isn't working so well.

    If I do end up coming, it'll be with a SS. What's the best gear for WR? I'm thinking 32x16 on a 26" HS and Murphy's will hurt some, but all the rest should be good fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh
    If I do end up coming, it'll be with a SS. What's the best gear for WR? I'm thinking 32x16 on a 26" HS and Murphy's will hurt some, but all the rest should be good fun.
    Hope to see ya. 2:1 on a 26er SS would be fine. I ran 36x20 last time and it wasn't tall enough really. You can always walk a short loose pitch but I'm sure people have cleaned all the climbs on bigger than 2:1 too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    From the base of mineral to the top of the switchbacks only takes ~15 minutes or so. I think it's a mile if I remember right.
    If you guys are starting at 5 am, I better start a few hours earlier (ok, maybe just 4:30 am). Because even if I could climb 1,000 feet in 15 minutes, I don't want to start a 100 mile ride that way.

    How come I get the feeling that I'll be riding way off the back even though there's a lot of talk about a mellow paced ride.

    No big deal, I don't mind riding alone, I just hope I don't have some freak problem occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KanyonKris
    If you guys are starting at 5 am, I better start a few hours earlier (ok, maybe just 4:30 am). Because even if I could climb 1,000 feet in 15 minutes, I don't want to start a 100 mile ride that way.

    How come I get the feeling that I'll be riding way off the back even though there's a lot of talk about a mellow paced ride.

    No big deal, I don't mind riding alone, I just hope I don't have some freak problem occur.
    I just pulled up the GPS file. It's only ~800 vertical feet from the bottom of the climb proper to the top of the switchbacks. Distance looks like 1.5miles although it's hard to pull out exactly where I started and time is roughly 17 minutes for those 1.5 miles. I'm seeing lots of 4 mph in the log file. This was at the end of a SS midnight ride of the rim and I wasn't moving all that fast.

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    I'm sure you'd be fine with 2:1 gearing. For what it's worth, I usually use a 32:17 or 32:18 on my 26"SS around here. I do seem to use a smaller gear than others though (Kaibab Monstercross aside, of course).

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    5:00 seems a bit early to me. Sunrise on Saturday will occur at ~7:40. If we start at 5:00 we're likely to be dropping down Shafer while it's still dark, or even worse right before dawn when it is both the most diffucult to see and the coldest. We're going to be having about 11.5 hours of daylight to work with. That seems to be about the amount of time most are figuring on taking for the ride. In my mind there doesn't seem to be any reason to subject ourselves to more than 2 hours of darkness (and cold) that we may not have to. and if we end up out there for a couple hours of darkness in the evening it's going to be significantly warmer at that time then it will be between 5-7am. any other thoughts on that? I'm most interested in riding together with you all, as much as possible, so if 5:00 it is i'll be up and ready to roll. i don't mean to sound like i'm being anal or petty, but i wasn't sure if the 5:00time was with a specific reason in mind or just thrown out there as an arbitrary time.

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    Geoff,

    Just shake my bivy sack when I have to get up. Leave me enough time to make some cocoa

    Just kidding, I'm flexible. Going down Shafer in the light is a good idea. Whatever we do, no one is allowed to get hypothermia. I've already had that happen once out there and almost twice! (not me)
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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    5:00 seems a bit early to me. Sunrise on Saturday will occur at ~7:40. If we start at 5:00 we're likely to be dropping down Shafer while it's still dark, or even worse right before dawn when it is both the most diffucult to see and the coldest. We're going to be having about 11.5 hours of daylight to work with. That seems to be about the amount of time most are figuring on taking for the ride. In my mind there doesn't seem to be any reason to subject ourselves to more than 2 hours of darkness (and cold) that we may not have to. and if we end up out there for a couple hours of darkness in the evening it's going to be significantly warmer at that time then it will be between 5-7am. any other thoughts on that? I'm most interested in riding together with you all, as much as possible, so if 5:00 it is i'll be up and ready to roll. i don't mean to sound like i'm being anal or petty, but i wasn't sure if the 5:00time was with a specific reason in mind or just thrown out there as an arbitrary time.
    All this talk of temperature...wait a minute, you live in Alaska, right?

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    Just checking

    As for the start time - y'all know that the number and length of stops is proportional to the number of riders present. This will prolly be a big group...so no matter when it starts there will be plenty of stopped time, and some riders will finish after dark. That's just the way it always seems to work out...

    Moral of the story: if you think there's an outside chance that'll be you (not Geoff specifically...) bring a light! Isn't it close to a full moon? If it's clear I've heard the WR is one of the best night rides anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball_dh
    All this talk of temperature...wait a minute, you live in Alaska, right?

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    yeah, which means you take trips to the desert to be warm for once. if i want to be cold i could stay here and save hundreds of dollars just kidding... mostly.

    didn't mean to sound so whiny about the start time. I will of course be carrying lights with me no matter when we start. and yeah, the full moon is on saturday. anyone up for 2 loops?... kidding again, unless of course any of you are and then i'd have to think pretty seriously about it.

    anyway, i'll see you all bright and early saturday. i'll be the dumb @ss in the matchbox sized rental car that most definitely should not have been driven down mineral. if i'm not there in the morning look for me somewhere in the ditch on the way up

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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    didn't mean to sound so whiny about the start time. I will of course be carrying lights with me no matter when we start. and yeah, the full moon is on saturday. anyone up for 2 loops?... kidding again, unless of course any of you are and then i'd have to think pretty seriously about it.
    I'll have lights too. No sense in tempting fate. I may be up for a 2nd loop. That would have to involve sleeping at some point though and will probably be a play it by ear thing.
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    I'm a one-loop gal, bringing lights, and would rather use them in the evening v. morning. Most of all, I can't-freakin-wait to get out of the smoke covered SoCal.

    Oh, and I'm bringing lots of good post-ride snacks for the sharing.

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    CO Front Range People ...

    I would love to come, but my girlfriend has usurped the car for the weekend. Anyone from the Front Range have space for one person and his bike? I'm quiet, don't take up much space, and well-kept. PM me, thanks.

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    grroes: good comments - not whining at all. I agree that I'd prefer it to be light when I start down Shaffer. For faster and safer riding down Shaffer and to take in the views. I mapped out the distance from Mineral Bottom to the top of Shaffer to be around 22 miles. If I budget 30 minutes for the climb up out of Mineral Bottom and figure I can easily do 11 mph from there to Shaffer (2 hours), that's 2.5 hours. With a 7:40 sunrise that gives a start time of 5:10. So maybe 5:00 is a bit early, but it's not off by much. And since it's rare to depart on time, I think 5:00 is still a good start time to shoot for (at least for me). If we get away at 5:30 we should be golden.

    If the sky is clear we'll have moonlight Saturday morning and night. For morning the moon will be just past full (on the 25th) and will set at 9:40 am. For the evening, the moon will rise at 7:15 pm. We could have a moonlit ride Saturday morning (and evening for some) and not even need lights! I got this info here: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php

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    Couple quick notes. The ride from the top of the mineral switchbacks climbs another rolling 1000 vertical feet to the intersection with the paved road (hwy 313). By the time we drop down Shafer we'll have completed ~1/3 of the climbing on the entire loop. The time you have budgeted to get there seems pretty reasonable when you factor in the stop to drop the pay envelopes and get a group all moving in the morning. The steep part of shafer does not start until 10.5 miles past the intersection of the dirt road (mineral) and the paved road (hwy 313).

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    Getting Excited

    Hello y'all, very excited, bringing my low key super cool friend, Todd, a perfect match for this kind of ride. Still planning on camping up on the rolling dirt road close to the drop into mineral bottom, maybe doing the drop in but not sure since it will most likely be dark. Anyways, just a couple questions, 5 am the goal for starting? How much to get in the park, is it 5$, and anybody else doing it on a single speed, I will be, not too scared oh and one more question anyone camping out saturday night too? See ya all soon Jefe

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    I'm getting psyched too - every indication is we'll have a great ride.

    Entrance fees for the park are $10 per vehicle, $5 per person (hiker, biker, etc.)

    Mineral basin and the road out to it are outside the park boundary so you won't have to pay then. We'll have to pay as we go in the park before heading down Shaffer, so take some cash with you on the bike.

    http://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisi...servations.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    one more question anyone camping out saturday night too?
    Absolutely!

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    Still jealous....................




    Have fun! (as if..)

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    i won't likely be online again before the ride so i'll see you all friday evening or bright and early saturday morning. alive @5:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    i won't likely be online again before the ride so i'll see you all friday evening or bright and early saturday morning. alive @5:00.
    We'll be leaving SoCal tonight.....staying at a hotel in Mesquite(just past Vegas) and then heading to Moab Friday morning. We should be there early afternoon-ish.

    We'll be driving the orange Honda Element with two bikes on the back. A Moots 29er and a tiny Airborne 29er. We'll be camped between the bottom of Mineral and the boat launch. I'll try to find a spot that you'll notice easily.

    My "real" name is Brian, not Donkey:-)

    Looking forward to riding with ya'll.

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    Tuned up the bike, put on some sweet new Ergon grips, bought food, packed the car. Tomorrow afternoon I'll be driving to the White Rim camp. For those of you going, see you there.

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    Dan and I will be heading out from Westy around 4pm. Black Honda Element with an ACA cycling sticker on the back.

    Jefe I don't know what time you guys are rolling in but if you need a ride down the switchbacks just wave/shine a light when we roll by. I'm planning on driving down them unless the weather or something is just horrendous.

    I'll probably be sleeping out in my bivy, anyone feel free to shake me in the AM if I"m not up but I usually wake up early for this kind of stuff. Too excited to sleep in most of the time.
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    I enjoyed the ride - spectacular scenery and because I do so many short MTB rides, it felt good to just keep rolling. It was good to meet each of you and chat with you along the ride. I wasn't comfortable being the slow guy, but I thank you for being patient and gracious. I wanted a long (for me) ride to end the season, and that's what I got. Here are my photos:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/KanyonKris/2007MTBWhiteRim

    (UPDATE: I had to move the photos around so the URL above has changed from the one I first posted.)

    You can download any image in the album (1600 pixels across or down), but if you want any full 5 mega pixel images, contact me with the filenames and I'll e-mail them to you.

    I'll post here when I write-up the trip on my blog.
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    Kris,
    It was so nice to meet you and you did a great job. The group rolled along great all day and certainly from Jefe to you guys finishing up we weren't spread out more than 15 - 20 minutes from our last regrouping spot. Certainly not the "slow guy"!

    Brian, happy birthday again and thanks for inviting everyone out to your party. I had an awesome time. Really fun to meet some new people and see some people I've already met again. Plus the weather was perfect and it was great to play tourist and take a million pictures out there finally. I'll get mine downloaded tonight.
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    Donkey...kick down with the pics already.

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    I had a great time riding with everyone! Of the hundred or so shots I took, these are the few that won't catastrophically blight one's eyes.
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    It was a great ride! I was wow-ed by the scenery all day. It was fun meeting all y'all.

    Here's the linky to my pics:
    http://picasaweb.google.com/carolla143/WRIAD1007

    And Jefe--the check is in the mail. To your bike shop. Thanks for sponsoring our ride around the rim.

    Cheers,
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    I'm enjoying looking at all the other photos.

    I finished my blog post - please inform me of errors and I will correct them:

    https://kanyonkris.blogspot.com/2007...day-wriad.html

    My pictures are here:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/KanyonKris/2007MTBWhiteRim

    I uploaded all of my photos, but I will go through them in 2 weeks or so and delete the ones I don't like so download the ones you want. I added two panoramas to the above album, but they're small. Here are the large versions:

    https://kris.nosack.com/blog/MonumentBasinPanorama.jpg

    https://kris.nosack.com/blog/WhiteRimPanorama.jpg
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    hell yeah!

    Hello everyone, I had such a great time riding the WR with y'all, and I don't care if i see that money that i already forgot all about, i will try to post some pics sometime, i took a bunch and some are pretty good. Anyways it was good to meet all of you and ride a bit in the cool desert of Utah, I am sure we shall meet again, Peace Jefe

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