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    Trans-Iowa Post Race Thoughts & Comments

    Waaaaaaay too much rain.

    It has been raining non-stop since Friday afternoon.

    Nobody made it to Algona by 6 PM, so that means no one "officially" finished T.I. V2

    We did award prizes to those who stuck around to shoot the breeze.

    The 2 top riders by completing the most miles were some "Crazy Canadians" who came up 30 miles short of Algona, calling it quits at around 7 PM while sitting in a bar in Mallard, IA eating hamburgers.

    MORE PICS ARE POSTED HERE!

    Way to go to all of those who toed the start line!

    THANK YOU SPONSORS AND ANYONE ELSE INVLOVED IN ANYWAY WITH THE EVENT!!!!
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    Attack of the Killer Bees!

    Yeah, we're home and it seems so weird! I'm supposed to be piloting a van across northern Iowa gravel roads yet!

    I'm a little too incoherent to give the full skinny on the event yet.......been up for 20 hours so far. Let's just put it this way.............

    12 mile section between two pass thru towns, of which four and a half miles are "B" level maintenance slop, just as you can see in Jeff's pics. Okay, the race lead group took two hours to traverse this section!

    Average speed to reach the Algona Checkpoint had to be 11.65mph or something like that......you do the math!

    No one made it in time, not even close! Too wet for too long. That's the way it goes sometimes.

    My congratulations and mucho respect to all who participated in this years Trans Iowa!!
    You guys and gal are awesome and I thank you one and all for all of your kind words and encouragements.

    Let the stories commence!
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    Oh My God, those pics are awesome. No finishers...enough said! Still wish i had been there to destroy my bike with the hardy souls who started this year.

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    ohmygod. That looks like it was complete and utter hell. I am uber impressed with the individuals that even attempted TIv.2 this year.

    Here's to at least dry (keep the wind though!) next year!
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    Keep it up

    Just been following pre race preparations on the web.
    I feel for you all, putting so much time, money and effort in only to get a cold muddy shower!
    Were conditions very unusual for this time of year?
    Would July be a better time maybe?
    Congratulations to organizers , volunteers and anyone that had the guts to start.

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    Video clip....

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    Wow!

    Well, I'm home and well rested, when I could have been riding still, kinda weird to think about!

    Slooowwww going! I was on pace for Algona, but only 'just', riding in the 2nd group when we hit the first b-road. I knew it was only the beginning! Chuck, Dave and I, all from the DSM area stuck together with the goal of Algona - no matter what time! Our goals quietly changed over time, with Chuck and Dave V. calling it a day in Paulina. I mustered on, still thinking of Algona, but the next section killed me - 12 miles, 3 hours, walking, I estimate 7 of the 12 miles...I don't know what Guitar is calling a 4.5mile section of b-road.... all I know is I walked ALOT! My knee was killing me now, my IT band flaring up after all the hard pedaling. My goal shortly became making it 100 miles.... then I did the math, "Let's see... 4mph, 45miles.... Maybe I can make it to Southerland!" I thought I was dead last and was definitily all alone. The spirit of the self supported nature of this race was VERY evident! I called my wife and began to make arrangements for rescue... imagining that Southerland was long vacated by race support crews... As I limped through town, pedaling with one leg most of the way in, due to my knee, my spirits were raised seeing a van from Colorado (thank you Becks!) still at the gas station. Hope for home! Needless to say, my day was done, 63 miles, 9 hours, dang!

    Hats off to all who toed the line and pushed on through the mud, rain, ditches, hills, headwind, hogs heads and skull highway! Big time hats off to three individuals in particular, Dallas, Lyndsy and Rusty, for your perseverance. I must admit to Rusty, that with that bike, we were taking bets on how far you would make it.... you proved us all wrong and we are eating crow! Now, we just hope you made it back to Hawarden!

    Thanks to everyone for the challenge and memories, we have joined a forever fraternity of cyclists, one that I'm proud to say I belong to!
    Peace- Dave Mable

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    Great Video, Jeff!

    Wow! That pretty much tells the story of this years Trans Iowa, folks. That video shows you the mud, the wetness, and the wind that all conspired to make the course nearly unrideable for the folks that were hardy/ crazy enough to take the start in Hawarden. Comments on the video:

    The first "B" road vid clip was at the 45 mile mark in the event at the end of a three mile stretch of the "B" road madness. As you could see, you just could not ride in the road, due to the mud. The ditch was rough, soft, thick with grass, full of standing water, and was like climbing a mountain, as far as the resistence goes. The lead group here did not include Dallas Sigurdur or Lindsey Gauld who were some minutes down on this group. They later bridged the gap up and you can hear Jeff on the second "B" road clip exclaiming to Patrick Hummeny, "Well hell! There's your crew!" in reference to Dallas and Lindsey.

    The second clip of the guys exiting a "B" road section was at the 61.5 mile mark which was the end of a twelve mile section between two towns that included almost 5 miles of "B" roads much like you see in the vid, and worse! It took this lead group two hours to cover this section. Some others that rode behind this group reported that this section took three hours to cover. Obviously, these were extreme conditions, and it was not our objective as race directors to have two and a half straight days of non-stop rain on top of an already saturated course. There just was no where for all that rain to go. The rain was literally sitting on top of the road even on hills!

    The third part of the clip- my favorite! Great musical selection there, Jeff!- well that was Lindsey and Dallas riding off into the twisty, up and down part of the course through the Little Sioux River valley. That the riders didn't even make it far enough into the event to see this section made me really sad! It is a beautiful part of the Iowa landscape. Anyway, Dallas and Lindsey were chasing a couple of other hangers on at this point. They all dropped out later on, leaving these two Canadian nut jobs out there to see if they could ride into Algona or not. After a very valiant try, they called in at about 7pm. to say that they werte about kaput! They get the "prize" for covering the most ground on the course at 119.5 miles in fifteen hours. All while slogging through the rain, the mud, and the wind.

    Absolutely amazing people were associated with Trans Iowa this year! I count it a honor of the highest degree to be able to have been there and to have met all these amazing athletes. Thanks to each and every one of you!

    I'll post more later, it's still all jumbled up in my brain yet! Anyone have any questions? I'd be glad to answer them!
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    ah, attack of the huge pic! that sucks that the weather didn't cooperate. it's kind of unbelievable; it looks like a hurricane right over iowa! the gods of pain b1tch-slapped you guys this year for sure.

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    Some Favorite Pictures....

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    The leaders come through the last part of a 4 mile area of B-roads just North of Sutherland


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    Singlespeeder, Jesse LaLonde, stares into a personal pizza topped with Cheetos in Sutherland shortly before calling it a day.


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    The leftover tire trail from racer Rusty Kay after the first 3 mile B-road section.


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    The lead group finishes up a section of 3 miles of moist B Level Roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    ....I must admit to Rusty, that with that bike, we were taking bets on how far you would make it.... you proved us all wrong and we are eating crow! Now, we just hope you made it back to Hawarden!....
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    This is Rusty's bike with his itty-bitty road tires. They look like 700x25 or 28's

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    Trans-Iowa Post Race Thoughts & Comments

    Too bad no one thought to bring a Surly Puglsy with the phat tires, they may have actually made it to Algona. Great job to everyone who participated and thanks to Jeff and GT for the audio updates. It was cool to listen to the progress of the race as it took place.
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    This would have been the right tool for the job on Saturday
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    um, tough

    Really a ball buster yesterday, whew! I'm plannin' on typing up a little ditty but I've just gotta share this pic, you couldn't really see this from the road and only a few guys got to see it in real life. At the end of this section, Dan Furman, Dallas, and Lindsay (sp?) (eventually Dallas and Lindsay went the farthest for the day, Dan went the second farthest) joined the front group, right before the town of Sutherland prolly 60 miles in but my que sheets got kinda destroyed in the process.

    Thatsa lotta water!
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    Not too far off the mark after all

    Just found out how things ended up yesterday...good news for the ego anyway. Felt great all morning, but like garbage after dropping out at around 45 miles when I realized my pace wasn't going to get me to Algona by the cut off and after coming out of one section of B road only to look down another. Then even worse 24hrs later when I figured people were still out widening the gap between what I can and cannot do.

    Despite the crap conditions it was a hell of a lot of fun. Kudos to everyone who slogged it out!
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    I am speechless.

    I had a blast in this event even though it was over too soon. Myself and two friends, Jim and Gary, rolled onto the gravel road right after Alton (around mile 30) and we were told that that there were three straight miles of B roads just ahead. The first B road of the day took at least 30 if not 45 minutes to do as I made the mistake of trying to walk my bike into the ditch. This 20 foot section filled my tires with mud and I am guessing that my bike was 45-50 lbs (you all know what that is like!) and I carried my bike 30-50 feet only to put it down to switch sides to give my tired arms a break! Repeat until wanting to throw up. So, we really didn't want ANY one of the three next B roads to be like that so we decided to take the highway to Paullina which was 18 miles ahead. With the head wind we were going the pace that I was hoping to go on the gravel for Trans Iowa! Not to be. I was hoping to keep my heart rate around 135-145 for this event and it was over 160 for the entire 5 plus hours we rode so I was toast. It sucked to be redlining and to be averaging 8.5 mph.

    I propose that we have a Trans Iowa V 2.1 in very early June. Mark and Jeff, please think about this. I certainly would pay an entry fee to give it another go in a month.

    The best thing about this race, besides the biking, was meeting all the people. You guys are a group of guys I wish I could hang out with every day.

    Thanks to all the riders for great times and thanks to Jeff and Mark for their hard work.

    Paul Jacobson

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulclimb510
    I propose that we have a Trans Iowa V 2.1 in very early June. Mark and Jeff, please think about this. I certainly would pay an entry fee to give it another go in a month.



    Paul Jacobson
    I think this would be pretty easy to do. One of the hardest part of putting on the race was likely putting together the course, etc. All that work has been done. All current racers already have the route cards to Algona, though no one has route cards from Algona to Decorah.

    If Mark and Jeff are completely sick of dealing with this race (and after all that hard work tracking us, etc, they probably are) but if they supported the idea of people making a second shot at this, they could simply publish the route from Algona to Decorah. They would be able to wash their hands of the event after that and would have no further responsibility. Heck, with responsibility lifted from their shoulders they could JOIN us for the race!!

    Once we have the official route we could decide on a date and time to meet, then do the race ala Mike C's Great Divide/Kokopelli/Grand Loop style. Ie, you are truly and utterly on your own, with no bag sent ahead, etc. There would be no awards, no prizes, no schwag, etc.

    As it is, my wife is strongly suggesting that I re-run the ride to Algona this summer for practice for next year. After wanting so badly to do this race for so many months I am pretty eager to take her up on that. If I could get the route cards to do this all the way out to Decorah, I would certainly do so. Even if it was on my own, but preferably with a like minded group.

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    Dates for the event...

    A early Summer date would be sweet for TI, but the main reasonings for running the event when we do is because of the conjunction with the Decorah TT weekend, and because G-Ted and myself work at the same shop an as the summer draws near, it is impossible for us to get the same weekends off. My racing for the Cateye Enduro Team also effects the running and planning of the event. Starting in 2 weeks my weeknds will be either filled by racing or working till October.

    Plus, from my personal point of view, I feel that the "epic factor" is greater in the Spring. It could be 80 degrees and sunny or snowing. It's a race into the unkown. Look at it this way...how cool would it be to hold Paris-Roubaix in July? Not cool. The weather and timing of the year is what makes this...and that event special.
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    Dates for the event: Part II

    Yeah, I concur with Jeff on that one. There isn't really a good time to plan for this event anyway. Just think about the thunderstorms and severe weather that June and July can bring. It really doesn't matter when you run the event. If the weather goes to hell, then what are you going to do?

    I think that what you guys are asking for is a chance. A fighting chance to actually complete the course as it was planned. I can empathize with you on that. We got a similar reaction to last years event from several guys that DNF'ed. The thing is, if T.I. is ever run again, we might want to use that course, or parts of it. Revealing the whole course would ruin it as far as the unknown, mental aspect of it goes.

    I subscribe to the old poker players adage: You want to see the hand? Then you gotta pay! That is to say, no one had the ability to overcome this year for whatever reason. Well, then the "winner of the hand" doesn't have to reveal it. So, I'm not going to release any cue sheets for this years second half. I may want to use those parts of the course for another running of T.I. Then again, we may never do it again. I do not know right now, and don't ask! I'm not going to decide such a thing until some time has passed. Of course, Jeff will have his say, as well.

    So, T.I. is what it is. If anyone doesn't agree, well they certainly can set up their own event and run it however they see fit. That's exactly what Jeff and I did! You can too!
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    Good job! mud....

    As I m eating some wonderful food this eve...

    And am finished packing my bike for the bus ride home and done cleaning the mud of my crosscheck I am already thinking about next year if it happens.

    G-ted and Jeff Thanks so much for throwing this race togather! I ownly made 10% of the race but more next year if it isn't the trans Iowa swim meet

    Thanks to all who showed up and rode it was a hoot. When I have more time i'll post a bit more....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    Really a ball buster yesterday, whew! I'm plannin' on typing up a little ditty but I've just gotta share this pic, you couldn't really see this from the road and only a few guys got to see it in real life. At the end of this section, Dan Furman, Dallas, and Lindsay (sp?) (eventually Dallas and Lindsay went the farthest for the day, Dan went the second farthest) joined the front group, right before the town of Sutherland prolly 60 miles in but my que sheets got kinda destroyed in the process.

    Thatsa lotta water!
    Imagine being all alone, thinking you are dead last, your knee will not let you ride and screams at you when you step wrong, you have 5 miles to the next town, where, you believe, there is no one left with the race, you've just pushed your bike through the ditch for the last two hours.... then you see this! AAAAAaaaaaaa!

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    pretty amazing

    i should have been not too far behind the last group in the video.

    thanks for riding for all those i rode with. it was fun to suffer together while cresting the hills at 8mph. dallas is a trip! but a determined m-f.

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    oh, and thanks to GT and jeffK and the rest

    you guys had a nicely organized event going. thanks for all your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, I concur with Jeff on that one. There isn't really a good time to plan for this event anyway. Just think about the thunderstorms and severe weather that June and July can bring. It really doesn't matter when you run the event. If the weather goes to hell, then what are you going to do?

    I think that what you guys are asking for is a chance. A fighting chance to actually complete the course as it was planned. I can empathize with you on that. We got a similar reaction to last years event from several guys that DNF'ed. The thing is, if T.I. is ever run again, we might want to use that course, or parts of it. Revealing the whole course would ruin it as far as the unknown, mental aspect of it goes.

    I subscribe to the old poker players adage: You want to see the hand? Then you gotta pay! That is to say, no one had the ability to overcome this year for whatever reason. Well, then the "winner of the hand" doesn't have to reveal it. So, I'm not going to release any cue sheets for this years second half. I may want to use those parts of the course for another running of T.I. Then again, we may never do it again. I do not know right now, and don't ask! I'm not going to decide such a thing until some time has passed. Of course, Jeff will have his say, as well.

    So, T.I. is what it is. If anyone doesn't agree, well they certainly can set up their own event and run it however they see fit. That's exactly what Jeff and I did! You can too!
    Fair enough! You two went through all the work, so it is pretty audacious of us to ask you to "show your hand" for the second half of the race.

    But I still intend to do the Haywarden/Algona trip sometime this summer, likely alone and DEFINITELY without any time checks. I visit the area several times a year, and while my family chills with my mother in law I could be out there on these same roads, fist to the sky and just DARING the weather to try something. That is, as long as I am armed with a forecast of sunny skies and West winds. And at least a week before hand of clear weather to dry the roads out. And temps in the 70's. With a full moon. . .

    If anyone still has the 2005 route from Algona to Decorah and would be willing to either post it or PM me with it, I would love to have it.

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    This is a good type of race

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I think that what you guys are asking for is a chance. A fighting chance to actually complete the course as it was planned. I can empathize with you on that.

    You know, I want to thank you guys for having the balls to put on an event that is this tough. Or maybe that *could be* this tough. Everything these days is "dumbed down". You know, made easier so we can all "feel good" or whatever. This is an event that, sometimes, is so tough that *nobody* finishes. Heh, well, you can't pick the weather.

    I had a good ride and although it came up short, I'm OK with that. I don't know if I have what it takes to finish this race no matter how good the conditions, but I'm OK with my 97 miles this time. I have a lot more respect for last years' finishers, that is for sure. And it was a pleasure to ride with the gentlemen that I rode with this year.

    Yeah, I'd like a fighting chance too. But when do we ever get a taste of what the world used to be like? If you were trying to get across the Rockies so you could mine some gold in California and had some bad weather, the consequences were a lot worse. If you were trying to get over White Pass near Skagway so you could mine for gold in Dawson City and some bad weather moved in, you were prolly gonna die. Not sure why this is related to gold mining but this was a little taste of that type of adventure, without the dying part.

    I hope you do it again, heck, I hope *I* do it again, but keep it 304-340 miles and don't let up, a guy can always do any number of 24 hour race that you can "complete".

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    i was thinking the same thing

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    But I still intend to do the Haywarden/Algona trip sometime this summer, likely alone and DEFINITELY without any time checks.
    we all had the same thought down here in licoln. i would want to ride it sometime just to enjoy that route again. i petered out in peterson and that was getting pretty scenic down in that valley.

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    Jeff and Mark-

    The last thing I wanted to do was to come across as this particular weekend being the wrong time of year or anything on the sort. You guys are awesome. I REALLY appreciate the efforts you guys have put in. You guys are probably more disappointed in not being able to see the suffering for 35 hours than we were for only riding 5-10 hours or more.

    Thanks again and it was great meeting you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulclimb510
    ......The last thing I wanted to do was to come across as this particular weekend being the wrong time of year or anything on the sort....
    No prob. I (we) didn't take it that way. We always want...and encourage...your comments and suggestions. It's how the event becomes better and evolves.

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    Thanks guys... weather wasn't so good for racing, but you weren't in charge of that.

    And the weather did make for an absolutely epic day to be outside.

    My favorite moment was the end of the very first level-B road section, the one with no grass shoulder anywhere. It was still nighttime, but the sky was just starting to turn gray with the morning light... you could see the silhouettes of everything around you. There was a scattered bunch of maybe 8 or 10 of us, stretched over maybe 100 yards, blinkies flashing in the gray morning, everyone carrying our bikes over both shoulders, Jesus-style, slogging through the mud... cool image.

    I bailed on the course at about mile 56 (?) or so. A few miles outside Paulina, just before the "Tanager" turn. I said f*** this, no more b-level roads for me... turned north instead of south, my mood instantly improved, because I was now moving faster than 3mph.

    Wound my way on gravel, eventually blacktops, to Spencer and Hwy 18. Then rode 18 most of the way to Algona. Even on the blacktop it was s-l-o-w... probably took me 8 hours of riding, after I'd bailed the course. Fighting headwinds, solo, is rough.

    Ward from Decorah Bicycles, and our shuttle to Hawarden, came and bailed us out... good thing, because our vehicle was in Decorah and I don't know what we'd have done! If you're ever in Decorah, look him up and check out his shop. He's a great guy.

    Thanks again Jeff and Ted. You sadistic #^&*(*@s.

    -Nate

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    I've never posted to MTBR before - this ^ ended up in the wrong place... not sure how to move it to the general "post-race thoughts" section.

    Oh well.

    -nate

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Make it harder!!!

    Well Jeff, as you took advice from people whom actually didn't finish last year...my advice is make it more difficult!!! Maybe you could some how have a negative percentage of people finish. It was fun to follow (at home), and thanks for the radio updates!

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    One of the "Chainring-wraiths" speaks!

    Quote Originally Posted by jimboyvw
    Well Jeff, as you took advice from people whom actually didn't finish last year...my advice is make it more difficult!!! Maybe you could some how have a negative percentage of people finish. It was fun to follow (at home), and thanks for the radio updates!

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    You know, Jim, you are in a special "fraternity". Only nine guys have ever finished a Trans Iowa and you are one of them. Sounds like you'd like to keep it that way.

    Thanks for the kind words about the audio-blogging. I had fun doing that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwills
    i should have been not too far behind the last group in the video.

    thanks for riding for all those i rode with. it was fun to suffer together while cresting the hills at 8mph. dallas is a trip! but a determined m-f.
    pink single speed guy,
    thanks for riding with me and sorry about cussing so much
    also sorry about telling you not to bail in sutherland, but you gotta admit that was the best part of the course

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    i am a results kind of guy so let's see if i got the top ten or so right:

    1.(tie) dallas and lindsey (those f-in canadians) ...130 miles

    3. me................................................ ............... 100 miles
    4. (tie) kevin and lance .......................................100 miles

    6 rusty kay (road bike guy) .................................98 miles?
    7. joe frost .................................................. .......97 miles
    8. matt (pink single speed guy) ............................ 83 miles

    9 (four way tie) .................................................. ....everyone that bailed at the quickie mart in sutherland

    if i got something wrong someone please correct it...not sure about the 4-7 placings.
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    crazy ass fun

    What exactly did I expect when I registered for TI2 in December , an ass kicking and that's what I got.
    I would like to say thanks to Jeff and GT for all the hard work they put into the event and ask that they hold it again so I can see a little more of your beautiful state (which is nowhere near flat ! ) .
    I'd also like to say that it was great to meet everyone that I did and give a special shout out to Dan-o ( Mr .rig) .Dan was sick on that bike and should get props for being the toughest of the ssers . Actually he wouldn't want me to say that since he insisted we were "just going for a ride".
    I would also like to say for the record that Lindsey and I called from Mallard to say that we were pushing on to algona but were informed that "no one would be there" so we agreed that since we were past the cut off and nobody cared if we made it we stoped . I'd like to thank GT for and Jeff for even letting us push past the cutoff in the first place though
    I hope that nobody gets to bummed out about their day because it cannot be said enough , "no one finished , no one."
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    who won the badger frame in the raffle?

    thanks:

    to jeff and mark and everybody who helped them.

    to the guys from des moines (i think) who snuck me into their host family's house. to the elits family in hawarden who graciously let me use their house. twice.

    to the guys from dubuque, who sqeezed an extra (very sandy) person and bike into their suburban on the 5.2 mph 20 mile sand road from hell, where 66% of the remaining field dropped out. i don't know if they actually would have stopped if i didn't lay down in front of their truck. i hope dan's bike suffered no harm from being bungied on to the back of the other bikes after i took his bike's spot.

    i don't remember the names, i think i got the cities right.

    no thanks to whoever was in charge of the weather.

    some notes about the bike choice:

    a road bike would have been the fastest choice last year. and it was, even if it was a road bike with canti brakes (it's not a cross bike, look at the photo).

    trans-iowa is a race held on roads, therefore it's a road race, and should be ridden on a road bike. =) you're welcome to argue that with me, but i won't argue back.

    Quote Originally Posted by the transiowa web site
    Bike choice is up to you! We are allowing mnt bikes, cyclocross bikes, 29ers, and road bikes if you really want to be stupid.
    if that's not a taunt, i don't know what it is. i'm a sucker for taunts.

    would i have changed bikes at the last minute if i had a mountain bike i was comfortable on? probably. would i have finished? no. the race was unfinishable (within the time cut). even on a pugsley (probably would have been slower).

    a mountain bike would have been harder to carry. the carrying part hurt, at least for wimpy bikie arms. i guess it would have been easier to pedal in the sand. the extra gears would have been pretty nice, but my low was lower than most of the single speed guys.

    other notes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jkerkove
    They look like 700x25 or 28's
    25 on front 28 on rear. mostly slick. they're the biggest that would fit with mud clearance. but the brakes plugged up if i even looked at a chunk of mud, and i'd have to pull off both wheels and clean it out again.

    in the video, it looks like i'm shaking my fists, like i'm angry. i'm actually just trying to squeeze water out of my gloves (i was discussing the fact that someone who didn't finish last year, and didn't start this year suggested that the course be made more difficult. but it was all in good fun).

    if i knew there was a frame for first place, i might have kept going, but the prize list wasn't posted until after the race. if i kept riding, i guess i would have just been angry that i rode for the frame, and everybody left at 8:00.

    sorry i left the awards party so quickly. i was really cold, ran out to get some dry clothes to change into. as soon as i was done changing, the suburban left. would have loved to talk about the ride with some of the guys that i met, but my ride was out of my control.

    i'm glad to learn that dallas and the old wiry guy* didn't quit, at least until they found out they were being abandoned. i was rooting for them to finish (halfway, past deadline).

    * don't know his name, but he was unreasonably happy when i gave him a ziplock with 52 tootsie rolls, some gummy worms, and beef jerky fused together in a soggy lump. he was even happier when he discovered there was beef jerky in it. guess he was hungry.

    it took me 8 hours to ride back to hawarden today. i cheated, and used paved roads. the evil wind from yesterday was nice, until it switched about halfway thru and i had a headwind again.

    it was fun, in a twisted sort of way.

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    Some insight for ya'all

    faucho/ rusty: Great ride! You were ready to bail after that last "B" section to Sutherland but I think I talked you into going down the road some more. I wish that you and all the guys would have had the chance to stick around and chat things up, but like you, we were all cold, wet, and tired. We all just wanted to be warm and dry somewhere!

    As for the prizing, that was all totally impromtu. Jeff and I had the frameset donated to us by Badger Cycle's Rob Pennel, and that was to be raffled off to anyone that took the start. It had nothing to do with who may or may not have gotten to Algona first. By the way, Brad Mihm was the lucky dawg.

    There was another frameset donated by Surly along with some other nice stuff that was to go to the first place single speeder. Well, no one lasted long enough to claim it in Algona, and once again, in a totally impromtu decision, Jeff and I awarded the first place overall prize and the first place single speed prize to Dallas and Lindsey for making it the furthest up the road. Our decision. I feel we made the right choice considering the circumstances and that these two clearly put in one hell of an effort.

    Dallas: I must respectfully point out that it was not you but your compatriot that I spoke to on the phone. His words to me were that you and he were thinking that you would like to be picked up in the next town past Mallard which was West Bend. Lindsey said that he wanted Paddy to come out and to pick you two up. There was no mention that there would not be anyone there at all in Algona. The message to Lindsey was that the awards ceremony, such as it was, had been completed, and that most of the guys had gone home. I was willing to stay for as long as it took for you two to show up in Algona, should Lindsey have said that you were pressing on. Jeff and I had already saved back the prizing for you, as mentioned above. Since it was apparent to me that Lindsey had no intentions of pressing on all the way to Algona, we sent along the prizing with Paddy in the van when he went out to retrieve you two, as per Lindsey's request. In fact, after Paddy pulled out, Lindsey called back and said that he wanted Paddy to come all the way to Mallard to get you two, instead of having to meet you in West Bend, so I don't know exactly where you got picked up at.

    I hope that clears up what we had understood to be the case in Algona. Once again, if there are any questions as to why we did what we did, I'd be pleased to answer them.

    I understand that there may have been alternative ways to look at the situations that arose. I figure that we will be taken to task for how we handled some of our business, but we did the best that we could, under the circumstances.
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    "Results" Continued

    Quote Originally Posted by iliketoridebikes
    i am a results kind of guy so let's see if i got the top ten or so right:

    1.(tie) dallas and lindsey (those f-in canadians) ...130 miles

    3. me................................................ ............... 100 miles
    4. (tie) kevin and lance .......................................100 miles

    6 rusty kay (road bike guy) .................................98 miles?
    7. joe frost .................................................. .......97 miles
    8. matt (pink single speed guy) ............................ 83 miles

    9 (four way tie) .................................................. ....everyone that bailed at the quickie mart in sutherland

    if i got something wrong someone please correct it...not sure about the 4-7 placings.
    ***
    10 Dave 'Skull' Mable .........................................63 miles, Sutherland
    11 Mike, 'Colorado' Beck.....................................63 miles, Sutherland

    ***We get credit for making the death march to Sutherland!!!
    anyone else make it there???

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    dnf

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I understand that there may have been alternative ways to look at the situations that arose. I figure that we will be taken to task for how we handled some of our business, but we did the best that we could, under the circumstances.
    Part of the responsibility of the promoters is to get the sponsors' products "out there." No one made the cutoff the rest is just semantics and bragging rights. Having said that, these had to have been the most rewarded dnf's ever.

    With the running and swimming thrown in with the biking we may need to find another forum.

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    yep, anytime.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliketoridebikes
    pink single speed guy,
    thanks for riding with me and sorry about cussing so much
    also sorry about telling you not to bail in sutherland, but you gotta admit that was the best part of the course

    dan-o
    hey dan-o. thanks for convincing me to move on past sutherland. it was the nicest stretch thus far for sure. i was crushed and in hind sight should have got some sugar at sutherland. also, in hind sight i could have pushed on past peterson but i was off the back again and losing motovation. next year!!!

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    Another Video....

    Here is another 3-4 minute video segment of the leaders as the get ready to roll out of Paulina on their way to what would become the "Killer B" sections of Trans-Iowa V2. In the video you have the LaLonde Bros., Rusty Kay, PaddyH, Matt Maxwell, and a few others.

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    9th place???

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    ***
    10 Dave 'Skull' Mable .........................................63 miles, Sutherland
    11 Mike, 'Colorado' Beck.....................................63 miles, Sutherland

    ***We get credit for making the death march to Sutherland!!!
    anyone else make it there???
    if there's solace in ranking us where we called it a ride; Jesse, Marko, Matt, and myself can be "credited" with the 9th place tie at around 7 hrs....

    otherwise, it was a pleasure to meet and ride with those of you that I did...especially if I drank with you after in Algona...
    I'm sure with the season just beginning, our paths may cross a few times still...
    sorry if I hacked up lung butter on any of ya...turns out I have bronchitis pretty bad-as I just got back from the Doc(3:40pm)...
    and for those entered in the Dirty Kanza, see you in less than three weeks



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    ps-in Jeffs vid, it was me shaking my fist at Jeff...in good fun of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    ***
    10 Dave 'Skull' Mable .........................................63 miles, Sutherland
    11 Mike, 'Colorado' Beck.....................................63 miles, Sutherland

    ***We get credit for making the death march to Sutherland!!!
    anyone else make it there???
    12 Joe Partridge......................................... ........63 miles, Sutherland

    I bailed shortly after the end of that last B road section, then got a lift all 300 yards to the Gas Station of Broken Dreams.

    Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    ps-in Jeffs vid, it was me shaking my fist at Jeff...in good fun of course!
    Actually, I thought you were giving me the finger....agian

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    What a ride!

    TI2 was my first endurance race. And it, or the weather kicked my butt! I found out what it was like to carry a loaded down bike on my back for almost a mile through ankle deep mud. It was also an experience to push, carry, and pedal my way through 3 miles of ditches on the "B"'s just west of Paulina. Does anyone know what lives in those holes in the ground along the ditches? In case a rabid badger or something came out of one, I cleared the layers off sand of my pepper spray and took it off safety ready for battle. I did make it to Paulina to hear that most people called it a day at or before Paulina.

    All in all, it was quite an experience. I was riding a cyclocross, and believe it would have been the ticket on dry roads. Watching a few mountain bikers come by me seemingly peddling with more ease made me realize I had the wrong bike and/or gearing for the conditions. My thanks to Robin for encouraging me to continue on while I was unloading the waffle I ate that morning along with everything else in my stomach just six miles from the start. I knew I shouldn't have eaten that thing!

    If TI3 exists next year, I'll be there to try and finish. Thanks to all for a memorable time.

    P.S. I think laminating the que sheets would make good sense. Mine were practically shot by Paulina, even in my case.
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    it was awesome

    I guess we just misunderstood as we had decided to push to algona which is the only reason we stopped to refuel .As we walked into the bar there was a rush to order burgers and I asked for a garbage bag to put under my jacket. I was under the impression that nobody cared if we pushed on and there we be nothing but an empty lot to great us there . I can say 100% that we would have gone the extra bit if I knew it would be recognized . It wasn't a matter at any time to best anyone just to try and survive as much of the course as possible . We came for 340 miles of hell and decided to chew up as much road as possible, In fact I told Lindsey that I expected you guys to eventually find us on the road and pull us .I didn't for one moment think that we were going to stop (dnf) before we were told to give it up.
    That 20+ mile stretch into the wind we did to get to Mallard was a hard but moral was still high and the will to finish was still there .
    The race as a whole was a truly amazing experience and I would again like to repeat that I hope the event takes place next year . It gave me focus for the winter (although my running miles did suffer) and something to obsess about for months on end . I also realize that the work involved must have been mind blowing and congratulate you on an superb job.
    Just in case anyone didn't know Lindsey was a former road Olympian , 2 x ukatak finisher , transrockies age group placer , la ruta placer and many many other crazy things.He also kicks ass on the local mtb circuit and is an inspiration to me . I guess I should also state that for the record he was strongest at the Mallard point .
    I'd also like to say that if there is a race next year the newbies will find a happy medium between the reports and prepare for that .It might be better conditions but then again it might be colder and wet . At least this year it was moderately warm . If we had last years reported temps and the rain we'd be all drinking by 30 miles.
    I have to say that I was a little bummed about missing awards only because I'd have like to talked to some people and heard there stories . At the same time I would never expect people to wait around for some freaks to put in more miles out of Canadian pride.
    thanks again for a great time
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    correction

    jeez Dallas, you rode with the guy for more than 15 hours, the least you could do is know the correct spelling of his name: Lindsay.

    sorry folks

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    Wow

    Bad weather. Looks more like a drainage area then a road. This is a MTB race, right? Not heard about this race before, but if the weather had been dry, would/can you use a cyclocross bike or road bike? Are there sections of single or double track or is it all dirt roads? Is there and large climbs, or is it lots of rollers? Thanks for sharing.

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    The easy answer is.........

    Quote Originally Posted by kuna
    Bad weather. Looks more like a drainage area then a road. This is a MTB race, right? Not heard about this race before, but if the weather had been dry, would/can you use a cyclocross bike or road bike? Are there sections of single or double track or is it all dirt roads? Is there and large climbs, or is it lots of rollers? Thanks for sharing.
    ...............yes!

    In fact, there were several road and cyclo cross bikes in attendance this year. Check out one of the videos posted by KERKOVEJ and pay close attention. You will see Rusty Kay's roadie several times along with the fixies of the LaLonde brothers and Matt Maxwell's cyclo cross Surly.

    Course-wise the lay of the land is flattish for most of the state compared to mountainous states like Colorado. That said, Iowa is not flat! Just ask anyone who's ridden a bike here!
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    Looong ride report as promised

    During my preparation for the TI2 I read all of the rider reports I could find about the first edition to try to get a better ideal of the demands of the race. I found them really helpful and enjoyable and wanted to write up my experiences too, so here it is:

    This race has been right at the front of my attention since signing up in December. Probably like most of the entrants, the idea of training for and completing a 340 mile bike ride on gravel roads seems like a big endeavor. I had read reports of training from last year and one guy even logged 40 hours of training during his biggest week or two and he did not finish. As I’m a “regular guy” there was no way I was going to be able to train that much. I ended up training about 1600 miles and 102 hours from Jan 1 until the race. I didn’t know if I could ride the whole thing but I thought making it to Algona would be a pretty good ride and anything more would just be gravy.

    The forecasts for the race were bad a few days out but you know how forecasts can be. I was hoping they were wrong on this one but they hit it right on the head, easterly winds, rain, steady temps 45-55. The temps ended up stable in the low 50’s (50-54). I guess the weather could have been worse but this was one of those days I would have hit the indoor trainer for a little while and bagged the outdoor riding if I was not racing.

    I built up a cross bike and moved road bars onto my mountain bike so I could ride’m and decide which would work out better over a few months. I opted for the mtb because I was worried about the vibrations causing fatigue and maybe (according to reports last year) nerve damage to my hands. I also had discs on the mtb and I figured they would be easier if the going got really muddy (note: this didn’t exactly help with THAT mud!). I put on a high rise stem, aero bars for comfort and a little for speed, used the thudbuster post, and mounted the “not cool” terry liberator gel saddle. This setup combined with the rear view mirror gave me the total “fred” look. It may have been the heaviest bike in the race, not sure. Some other equipment details...29” wheels, 36 hole road rims, avid mechanical disks, 36t chainring, 12X34 cogs, 3 bottle cages, a frame bag, handlebar bag, and seat wedge. I ran a mythos 2.1X29” front tire in the rear with the knobs sanded off till it was nearly bald and a nearly new 29” wtb nanoraptor up front. I used clip on fenders in the front and rear, cateye el 500 bar light, el something or other helmet light, and some blinky on the rear.

    Well it turned out that running the big fat tires was a good thing for the floatation. The narrow tires (narrowest was Rusty Kay’s 25mm conti’s but there were a lot of < 35 mm tires out there) were really cutting grooves into the gravel because it was soooo soft. But the fatties did pretty well floating along. Now this is a conditions thing-maybe the harder conditions would have worked out a lot better for the narrow tires. But on hard gravel I could roll along pretty well with my fatties once they got turning so I figured it would be OK.

    I drove out with a couple of friends-Kevin and Lance and a friend of a friend or something Dan from Missouri. Dan owns a bike shop (Route66Bicycles.com) and had a bunch of funny stories so we blabbed during the long trip out. The most important person on our trip was my wife who graciously agreed to come along to drive and pick us up if (or when) we raised the white flag and called it quits. So we had a nice group all in one big vehicle and got out to Hawarden by 3, checked in, met some other guys in the race, and headed over to the Pizza Ranch for the meeting.

    The meeting went just fine, we were told we had to make the checkpoints on time or we’d be DQ’ed and all of that stuff. “Guitar Ted” Mark and “Mr. 24” Jeff were super nice guys, just as you’d expect from the message boards and blogs. We got our race bags and headed back to the hotel for the last minute “what should I take” and “what should I put in my drop bag” fest. I’m a worrier so I packed too much junk.

    The start was funny, we had all sorts of rigs. We had my bike, set up for an unsupported trek across Africa or something and we had a couple of road bikes, one with 25c continental gatorskin tires. Most guys had something in between, some fenders, a camelback, a couple of bottles. Light mtb’s, cross bikes. A few duallies, a fair number of 29’rs. It was truly a “choose your weapon and meet at sunrise” affair. Clearly some guys were going with a minimal setup.

    So it was sprinkling but not too windy at the start, it felt like the middle of the night and getting up at 2:30am was really something for a guy who likes to sleep as much as I. But I felt pretty good toeing the line. The rollout was really nice and I stayed near the front for no particularly good reason. We rolled along for about 3 miles then turned left. The pace van stopped, we hit the gravel and the race was officially on. We had a 20 mile or something run straight into the wind with the rain and at night in this big pack. There were some smallish rolling hills and it felt like we were going pretty hard but the computer only said 13mph so it was like a dream of a tough ride in slow motion. After an hour of pretty hard riding the front group seemed smaller, maybe 10-15 guys or something and we had gone 13 miles. We needed to get to Algona by 6pm so we needed a 12mph average and we hadn’t hit the Level B roads and the wind was supposed to pick up some so making the limit seemed iffy. Kevin, Lance, and I were ready to ride hard (for us anyway) in persuit of the time limit.

    Not sure how far we were in but we came to the first Level B road in a group of about 10. It was muddy but I remember reading logs of “unridable” sections that actually turned out to be ridable so I plowed right in and kept on jamming for about 50 feet before the wheels wouldn’t turn anymore and mud was stuck all over the place. About half of the group got off before it got really bad and started walking thru the slop. I tired to pick up my bike but it had to have weighed 80 pounds. I could lift it but after taking a few steps I had to set it down again. I’m thinking I could have cranked out 6-8 reps for 3 sets but there was no way I could carry it a hundred yards, much less a mile. There was no grass or anything, it was just the muddy field and then the muddy road, no place to wipe off the bike or way to sneak around the mud. Lance started scraping the mud off of his bike with his hands and I thought “no way am I doing that” but after he picked up his bike and started hiking, I started scraping. Prolly got the bike down to 50 pounds, then I was able to get it on my back and start slogging. Mud quickly encased both feet and they got really heavy and made it even slower. Now the other guys were moving right along in the muck. Kevin, Lance and I really floundered and the lead group was quickly out of sight. I figured they’d go sometime but I was kinda surprised how fast they were gone. So we walked along for what seemed a long long time and finally we came on some grass to walk on and push our bikes without the wheels clogging up. We even could ride a little of it. Got to the end, met up with Jeff Kerkove, told him it was tough going (he laughed) swapped out some clothes, then started again.

    We rode together until the next level B section, these were a lot easier. Whereas the first section was hiking thru mud, all of the later sections had grass in the ditches and even though you couldn’t ride the road, you could sometimes ride in the ditch and you could always walk it. So we rode and walked for awhile and came upon the front group. Most of these guys were on single speeds or road bikes. Paddy from Canada was on his fixie with a pretty big gear too. So they weren’t riding much on the B’s, pretty much walking at 3mph. But with our mountain bikes, we could ride some of them at 4-5 mph so it wasn’t too long before we joined them on a long stretch of B road.

    It was funny, the whole mood of the “lead group” was not like a “competitive bike race”. There were plenty of times we’d finish a B and stand around for a minute or two to regroup, then continue. It was like we were a group of beaten men. At the 3.5 hour mark we really needed to be 40 miles along to have a chance of making the cutoff and we were at about 37...probably 20 minutes behind schedule, then we hit a 3 mile section of Level B road so it wasn’t really like we were going to make it on time. Later we were told that the race was to Algona but I was pretty demoralized that it took a big effort to go 10mph on the flats. I think we all were riding way harder than we could sustain and it was only a matter of time before we hit the wall.

    I have to say, riding in the first group was a thrill for this kid. Some of these guys were well know seriously fast dudes that are younger, stronger, more talented, and better trained the our group (well, probably not more than Dan but certainly Kevin, Lance, and I). I felt jazzed to be there, really diggin’ it. The conditions sucked but I was like “this is great!” Sometimes Kevin and I would be side by side at the front, he’d be maybe 1/2 wheel ahead and I’d be like “Dude, you’re leading the TI2 after 4 hours, awesome man!” I can just imagine these other guys “geeze, the conditions suck and here are these fred dudes who are almost like 40 years old riding with us” and thinking that it is a real bummer. But for me, totally jazzed. I think we just had bikes that rolled easier on that soft stuff and on the B’s. I guess I didn’t care why, just glad to be there.

    I walked a lot in this race, not sure how much but some of the cyclocross/road/fixie guys must have walked 10 miles. With the mountain bikes we could ride but it was bumpy and hard on my back and the 36X34 with the 29” wheel allowed for a knee grinding 50 rpm at 4mph. Before too long walking was a lot better. On one section we walked past a nearly-complete pig skin and the head. Well most of a head anyway. That was really nasty but at least it didn’t smell too bad, just looked bad.

    Some things you don’t think of early enough. I put my que sheet into my map case on my bars but I guess I never really tested it for water proofness. So after awhile all of the sheets got wet and the printing started running. Lance had an extra plastic bag so I figured I’d take them out and put them in the bag, then into the map case so they’d stay dry. But of course your hands are dripping wet and it’s raining and now windy as hell so you tear them up moving them around. Between the 3 of us we did OK but alone would have been a problem. Also, we should have written the leg distance on the sheets as they were printed with only the cumulative distance. So after carrying the bike for 3/4’s of a mile and taking a wrong turn or two the computer didn’t match the que sheet at all. And finally, distance to the next town would have been good so you’d know how far you had to go and could make a quick decision to stop in the town you are in or not.

    After a long time we rolled into the town of Sutherland for a stop to resupply. It seemed a little cooler outside and Jeff K. said the temp dropped a couple of degrees. We had just done a 3 mile Level B section and everybody was feeling pretty worked. I was cold and put my jacket back on under my rain shell that I took off after the very first Level B and it felt really good. About half of the group was getting pizza and sitting down, it looked risky to me. I was cold and felt spent but our group got back on the road pretty quickly and Kevin, Lance and I took off as the “lead group”. I was really surprised how bad I felt after the 10 minute stop and I was really cold, even after putting the jacket on. I told Kevin and Lance that if we would have stopped and eaten a big meal my race would have ended right there. We moved into a hilly section and quickly warmed up on some steep climbs.

    This section should have been the best-lots of hill along the Little Soiux River, great scenery, less wind-but we had been out about 9 hours or so going too hard and I splattered against the wall hard. It really was pretty sad, Kevin would pull along the flats into the wind and I’d get dropped at 9mph time after time. I thought maybe I could just eat, drink, ride slow, and get better. Somewhere along the way we heard that a bunch of the group dropped out at Sutherland and only a few guys were behind us. On one particularly pathetic climb, Dan from Missouri caught up with us chatting about something, he said Dallas and Lindsay and the “road bike dude” (Rusty) were the only riders behind us. He looked great, really riding easily, and dropped us on the climb right away. Rusty Kay caught our group and moved ahead and Lance rode with him for awhile as Kevin pulled my bonked butt along at a crawl.

    After about 2 hours of pathetically slow and painful riding I had a nice big cramp and told Kevin I was raising the white flag. We had about 90-95 miles done and were going maybe 8mph on the flats so getting to Algona would take at least 7 or 8 more hours and I just wasn’t gonna make it. I was OK pulling out with only Dan, Rusty, Lance, Kevin, Dallas, and Lindsay still on course. I had bigger goals but the conditions were pretty tough and my bonk was just not getting any better. He gave me the big hi-5 and took off in chase of Lance and Rusty. I called my wife and she was a few miles up the road, I told her I’d just poke along and she’d run into me, whenever was fine. I got back on the bike and started down at a much more sensible 6 mph. I walked a couple of seeming huge climbs (prolly just little rollers) and predalled along to the 97 mile mark where she appeared right at 3:35 pm. Dallas and Lindsay were coming up as I was bailing out, they weren’t moving very fast but seemed to be cranking along OK and in decent spirits. My wife told me that Dan had called and was pulling out at 100 miles (according to my estimates tho it was a little farther, maybe 102-103?) and that Kevin and Lance were bailing out too at 100 miles on their computer. Having her pick me up just 20 or 30 minutes after calling was so excellent, I just can’t tell you how great that was. I figured it would be an hour or two because we could really be just about anywhere but she found me right away.

    We passed Dallas and Lindsay and headed towards Lance and Kevin and ran into Rusty the road bike guy who looked really spent. He flagged us down and asked for a lift to anywhere as he was riding unsupported. This seemed like a really ballsy thing to do, especially considering the conditions. We picked him up, passed Dallas and Lindsay again, and picked up Lance and Kevin, then passed Dallas and Lindsay again and picked up Dan. It was a tight fit but we all made it into the truck, called in our DNF’s, and headed to Algona, passing Dallas and Lindsay just one more time. They said they were going to try to make it and what they really needed was patience at that time. I think that really summed it up.

    I really have got to hand it to Dallas and Lindsay for cranking along another 30 miles or whatever they did after everybody else had bagged it. They were facing 20 miles or so to the next town straight into the wind going maybe 7-8 mph and even with our truck passing them 4 times with offers for a ride (and already securing an unofficial 1st and 2nd place), they went for it. That is some grit!

    Overall this was an epic battle of man vs. nature and nature really took the wood to all of us. In hindsight the idea of completing this ride seems totally impossible, riding that far on gravel, even with decent conditions, just looks like an awesome undertaking. I’m glad that Mark and Jeff were willing to create an event that is tough. So many things in our lives are watered down and made easy just so we can all feel like winners (or something). This event has given me a lot more respect for last years finishers and finishers of other really long tough events. I’m not sure if I have what it takes to ever finish this race and I’m not sure I’ll try it again but I’m happy to have had a chance this year. It is truly a “legendary” event and really should continue it it’s raw format. Not tougher, mind you, 305 to 340 miles is plenty. But even though it only has had 2 editions, it is already so tough that some years, nobody finishes!

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    awesome post

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    It is truly a “legendary” event and really should continue it it’s raw format. Not tougher, mind you, 305 to 340 miles is plenty. But even though it only has had 2 editions, it is already so tough that some years, nobody finishes!
    great write up. i had almost the exact same experiences. i wouldn't have changed a thing as far as bike or setup or gear or whatever. we all ran what we brung.

    dan-o convinced me to head on past sutherland and i'm glad i did. i fell off the group with him and lindsay and dallas and mr. roadbike. it was sweet to ride with them when i did. i was crushed by peterson and called it. in retrospect i wished there hadn't been a time limit to get to algona. but its hard to say if that notion would have gotten me thru the 4-5 hours of rain the rest of the way would have dolled out. i knew i was the last one on the course and i was already wet for 8.5hours.

    all in all it was an experience shared by what felt like some like minded spirits. and an incredible ass kicking. thank you sirs may i have another.

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    Keep a Good Thing Going

    TransIowa once again lived up to its billing. Kudos to Jeff and Mark for a great event. On Friday night it was evident that many stayed home and given the weather it appeared that the 40 or so remaining participants where the ones who did not "have their heads on straight". But in the end, that unique camaraderie of shared suffering proved otherwise. No where was that more evident than at the Cenex convenience store in Paulina where clusters of soaked, shivering bikers hovered Saturday, commiserating over the mornings' struggles. The store clerks faces seemed to grow longer and longer as more wet bikers entered adding more clumps of mud and dripping dirty, amber colored water over the floor. Certainly the temporary mess was more than offset by the increased revenue but I would not have wanted to see their faces when they looked in the rest room which looked like someone had set off a mud bomb.

    Some older, rain idled farmers sitting around some tables in the corner traded barbs with us wondering why our mothers had never taught us the good sense to come in from the rain or why we didn't ride with those other bikers in the summer when it was warm and dry. As we were heading out the door for another dose of sufferage some elderly ladies asked us where we were going to stay that night before we continued our ride tomorrow. This is Iowa after all and anything biking has to be associated with that one big event. As one of the participants quipped later as we were leaving the rewards ceremony, "Now I have to go home and admit to everyone that I failed to complete RAGBRAI".:mad2:

    Jeff & GT there's a slew of us out here ready to finish "RAGBRAI" i.e.TI V3

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    Thank You, Guys!

    Quote Originally Posted by jbkr54
    TransIowa once again lived up to its billing. Kudos to Jeff and Mark for a great event. On Friday night it was evident that many stayed home and given the weather it appeared that the 40 or so remaining participants where the ones who did not "have their heads on straight". But in the end, that unique camaraderie of shared suffering proved otherwise. No where was that more evident than at the Cenex convenience store in Paulina where clusters of soaked, shivering bikers hovered Saturday, commiserating over the mornings' struggles. The store clerks faces seemed to grow longer and longer as more wet bikers entered adding more clumps of mud and dripping dirty, amber colored water over the floor. Certainly the temporary mess was more than offset by the increased revenue but I would not have wanted to see their faces when they looked in the rest room which looked like someone had set off a mud bomb.
    The same scene with fewer cyclists occured in Sutherland's Car-Go station. The ladies there were more than happy to see it, as they sold far more food that noon hour than normal!

    Some older, rain idled farmers sitting around some tables in the corner traded barbs with us wondering why our mothers had never taught us the good sense to come in from the rain or why we didn't ride with those other bikers in the summer when it was warm and dry. As we were heading out the door for another dose of sufferage some elderly ladies asked us where we were going to stay that night before we continued our ride tomorrow. This is Iowa after all and anything biking has to be associated with that one big event. As one of the participants quipped later as we were leaving the rewards ceremony, "Now I have to go home and admit to everyone that I failed to complete RAGBRAI".:mad2:
    But do keep in mind that you and the others that they might have seen are putting the seeds down for another view of what cyclists are and can do. I guarantee you that the towns we did get through on Trans Iowa are still buzzing about you guys!

    Jeff & GT there's a slew of us out here ready to finish "RAGBRAI" i.e.TI V3
    Get back with us later in the summer. We need to know then if you are still interested or not before we make a decision on next year. Right now, the emotions are still high and everyone has it fresh on their minds. Next fall, it might be a different story.

    That said, I've already looked at the maps and pre-planned a route for next year.
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    Git planning!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    That said, I've already looked at the maps and pre-planned a route for next year.
    Keep planning my dear, sadistic little friend! :mad5: There are a few of us out here with some unfinished business in northern Iowa... just don't anyone tell my wife I said that!!! The weekend of uncertainty was harder on her than on me, know what I mean?!

    I'm planning a little story telling session on May 12th in West Des Moines, potluck, presentation an all that - ya'll are invited! Check the calender on Bikeiowa.com for details!

    Peace and thanks for the sufferin!

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    Here is my story, as posted yesterday on the Michigan Mountain Biking Association web site forum. I had a similar experience as the rest of you...more miles than some, less than others, but wet and muddy, and strangely rewarding, nonetheless...

    A Tale of Mud, Misery, and B-Road Carnage in Iowa

    The billboard on the way to Hawarden, Iowa read "PREPARE TO MEET THY GOD!" I should have known right then what I was in for!

    Well, I think I'm finally far enough removed from last weekend to tell the story. I signed up for Trans Iowa V.2 back in December, and have been training hard ever since, logging over 200 hours of riding, including winter rides in 20 degree weather, plus additional running, core workouts, etc., all in preparation for a shot at completing the 340 mile gravel course under the 35 hour time limit. The race, completely unsupported, was limited to 70 riders. Last year's 305 mile version saw just 9 of 51 riders succesfully complete the course.

    We arrived in Iowa Friday, greeted by rain and a steady wind from the east (the race traverses the state west to east). At the pre-race meeting Friday night, only 48 souls showed up to brave the elements.

    Waking up at 2am for a race that is going to keep you riding for the next 35 hours was tough...seeing that the rain hadn't stopped was even more difficult. As we toed the line at the local high school for the 4am start, however, spirits were high. There were 48 blinkies, bar lights, and helmet lights, and a wide variety of bikes - cross bikes, mountain bikes, single speeds, 29ers - just about everything. The horn sounded, and we were off.

    The first 3.5 miles was a controlled roll-out on pavement, and the clip was a good 16-18mph, with my computer clocking 27 on one downhill. Then the pace van pulled over, we turned left onto gravel, and the race was on!

    Now, if you've EVER thought Iowa was a flat state - THINK AGAIN! In the pre-dawn darkness we rode - up and down the long rollers. Someone mentioned that the gravel in this part of Iowa - when wet - provides the resistance of wet sand on a beach. And that's exactly what it felt like. The lead group pulled away, and I settled in behind them at what felt to me like a reasonable pace. Their blinkies gradually drifted off in front of me.

    When I hit the hour mark, I had only traveled 11 miles. We needed to hit Algona - 154 miles from the start - by 6pm in order to make the cutoff and be permitted to continue toward Decorah - the finish. I would need to average just over 11mph (without stops) to make Algona. I already wasn't on pace! It could get better, I told myself. Maybe it will flatten out. The wind could shift. The rain could stop. Ahh...the folly of men!

    Just 20 miles into the race, every rider's fate was pretty much sealed. That was when we hit the first section of B-level road. In Iowa, B-level roads are generally non-maintained roads, no drainage, no gravel, no grading. They are just there. Each section of B-level road is signed: "CAUTION - B-level road - minimum maintenance - enter at own risk." Well, I had no choice. I entered. After about 25 feet, my bike came to a hault, completely engulfed in Iowa clay/mud/crap. Each of my 29 inch tires had swelled to gargantuan size. My frame was clogged with the stuff. I dismounted, tried to lift my bike, and was unable to do so - it was stuck in the mud. When I worked it loose, I hoisted the beast, which now must have weighed 60 pounds or more. I slogged forward, slightly uphill, and with each step my feet became more encased in glop, eventually weighing more than I could lift with the weight of my bike. The road was bordered only by plowed farm field. I moved into the field, but it was no better. Finally, I layed my bike down, took a couple ibuprofin, ate a granola bar, and in the early dawn haze began wiping the muck from my tires and frame, carefully considering my fate. I called my wife, and told her that things were not looking good, but that I would continue, somehow. I then proceeded onward, like a condemned prisoner on a death march. I had no idea how far the road continued, but I knew I couldn't give up now - not just 20 miles into my "epic" adventure. A few riders around me turned back, but I pressed on. Eventually (turned out to be 6/10 of a mile down the raod), a grassy patch formed on the side of the road, and I mounted my muddy steed and was able to crawl forward at a 5mph pace. Thankfully, the B-road ended at the next mile, and now the Iowa gravel felt fast at 12mph!

    Two more sections of B-level road in the next 20 miles offered only slightly better conditions, with the wet, grassy ditches being rideable at a slightly-faster-than-walking pace.

    At about 44 miles, now almost 5 hours removed from the start, a small group of us huddled together at the intersection of 4 miles of B-road. At this pace (if I could continue this pace), I'd make Algona sometime around midnight. It was still raining, and I was soaked to the skin. It was still windy, and getting moreso. The temperature had dropped a couple degrees, and seemed to still be dropping. Many of my bike's 27 gears were no longer available to me. Ahead of me lay 3 more miles of B-road before hitting the small town of Paullina. One of the riders suggested we turn left, ride a mile to the highway, and take that into town. I was done. I called my wife, made the plan, and hit the road.

    I hadn't realized how cold I actually was until I decided I was done. I was very cold. As I sat on a bench in Paullina, I was shaking, and it took me about an hour to feel warm again, even after changing into dry clothes.

    I later learned that there were only about 15 riders still out on the course in front of me. Some dropped out around 60 miles, some 80, a few around 100, and two hearty Canadiens made it 120 miles, calling it quits at 7pm after 15 hours of riding while sitting in a bar eating burgers in Mallard, Iowa.

    Nobody made it. Not to the finish in Decorah. Not to the check-point in Algona. Not on time, not late - nobody made it. We all gave it a shot, but we never really had a shot. No one did - not on that day.

    I'm disappointed. Not because I didn't make it. Not because I was forced to stop. I wanted to test myself. I wanted to see if I could do it - ride 340 miles on gravel, unsupported, in under 35 hours. I trained hard. I sacrificed. I don't know if I could have done it under the right conditions, but I wanted a shot at it. I'm disappointed because I never really had a chance. But there are some things in life we can't control, and on this day, that's really what it came down to.

    Trans Iowa is an epic race. Not because it's long, or hilly, or gravel. Not even because of the B-level roads. It's epic because there is no gaurantee of success. It's not like a 27 mile cross country race that 2000 people finish. It's not like a 12 or 24 hour race that safely goes around in circles. In this race, you can truly fail. Most people failed to make it to the finish last year. This year, everybody failed...or did they?

    Ride on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    Peace and thanks for the sufferin!
    i second that emotion

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    Nope!

    Quote Originally Posted by DF Bernard
    [I] This year, everybody failed...or did they?

    Ride on!

    ~D

    We didn't make it even to the halfway point but I learned a lot about biking, myself, and the challenges of this race but I'm chalking it up as a success. Well sort of. How often are you in a race and you have a good run at it and don't really experience anything new or learn anything new? Crossing the line maybe someday will be a wonderful conclusion but *the journey* is where it is at.

    So is it too early to start pestering you guys for a TI3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DF Bernard
    Trans Iowa is an epic race. Not because it's long, or hilly, or gravel. Not even because of the B-level roads. It's epic because there is no gaurantee of success. It's not like a 27 mile cross country race that 2000 people finish. It's not like a 12 or 24 hour race that safely goes around in circles. In this race, you can truly fail. Most people failed to make it to the finish last year. This year, everybody failed...or did they?

    ~D
    Excellent report and thoughts. I enjoyed reading it. I think you summed it up well in your final paragraph. The fact that failure is not only possible, but is a likely outcome, is what makes endeavors like this so interesting. I know exactly how you feel with the sacrifice, training and desire to test yourself. I did all that in prep for GDR '05 only to get sick and have my body collapse in multiple ways. The race ended before it even started.

    But that failure (and others) helped define me. Failure can be a good thing. It's part of the process.

    I think people are too afraid to fail. Since when is it not OK? How else are we supposed to learn and improve? So instead we sanitize, invent 50,000 categories and make everything safer and easier.

    [end rant]

    Anyway, thanks to everyone for the reports of suffering. It's been fun to follow along. And thanks to G-Ted and Jeff for putting on the show. Keep it up, guys.

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    so so true

    Anybody can finish a cross country race , In face my first year I road a lap on a flat tire . Basically on the rim as after the race it went right into the garbage as the sidewall was destroyed. Big deal though where is the challenge ? The challenge is only for placing and that's it in my opinion . I race the short stuff all year in various sports to stay a little sharp but have to say that it doesn't matter to me in the least where I place. For me the ultra stuff is first about surviving then about racing . You never know what will happen and that's why it's so exciting.
    A friend of mine ran the Rockey raccoon 100 this year and I was to do it also but got injured. So instead I kept track mentally of all I did while he ran . It was mind blowing . So many changes in mood , different errrands , etc and all he did was grind away at that one goal . I think people forget the real time involved in the race itself and get fixated on the distance . Doing that your mentally always comparing the miles to a rough average of how you trained (pace that is) . This is the biggest mistake . What should be done is prepare for the full time limit and take it distance wise as it comes in comparison to how your feeling.
    Ti2 took me to a place that I want to go occasionally . A reminder that I might not achieve my goal no matter how hard I trained (most of you though I ran to much I'm sure but I am an ultrarunner remember) and thus not take it forgranted. I'm sure this will help me get through the tough times this year and maybe help me finish superior again .
    As for next year , if they have it I'll try and get in again . Unlike the first year where it filled up and Jeff wouldn't take my unborn child for a spot. ( Damn Jeff I might have finished last year .) Mind you for the repeat participants it must have been like running into a wall this year
    11 miles an hour..............damn that's fast.
    In my mind this year if you told the line you tied for 1st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krein
    But that failure (and others) helped define me. Failure can be a good thing. It's part of the process.
    If you did nothing but succeed, the concept would mean nothing. Concepts only make sense when they have borders.

    And consider this a vote; if TI3 happens, I'll be there.

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    No one in this race failed. Failure in an event like this is when you don't finish an event because you were broken mentally. Where you had the ability to finish and didn't because you lost hope and gave up. But finishing this race was frankly hopeless. I doubt there is a person in the world who could have made the time cutoff of 6PM with the roads in the conditions they were in. Whether it was 160 miles or 1600 miles, it was beyond human ability to make the time cut. This wasn't the fault of either the racers or the race directors, so there is no blame for anyone.

    The difference in when people quit was based, I believe, on a combination of degrees of realism, principle, and stubbornness. For instance, I sat with Lindsay the night before the race and he told me there was no point in writing down the phone number for calling it quits. He said he had never once quit a race, and he wasn't about to do it for this race. With that guiding principle he and Dallas made it further than anyone else in the event. But even Hard Men Lindsay and Dallas eventually quit before the goal when it was evident they couldn't make the time check, that raffles were going on even as they rode, etc.

    I was far less principled and had some family issues to consider. The original plan was for my wife to leave me Saturday morning and head home, then get me in Decorah Sunday. If I didn't quit by 9:30 am my family was going to go back to Rochester, then come back to NW Iowa to get me, then go back to Rochester. I knew I had many more miles in my legs, but it made no sense to me to keep going when there was no chance to make it to even Algona. Whether I rode 35 miles and my wife drove for 4 hours or I rode 100 miles and my wife drove for 10 hours, I would have the same result: DNF.

    So ultimately I came away with a different vibe than most others from this race. I don't really see this as a personal achievement to have been beaten by the elements. Whether I trained for a day or year straight for this event, I would have had the same DNF result. This proves nothing about me to me as a rider, and I feel a little empty walking away from Trans Iowa.

    Looking back at the race knowing what I know now, I would have preferred to have a tiered finish line rather than hard cutoff times. For instance, if no one makes it to Algona by 6 PM, then Algona is the finish line and the order of arrivals in Algona is the order of finishers in the overall race. Whether people rolled in at 6:01 pm or midnight, that was the finish line.

    With a definite goal people would have had a point to continue after it was evident that there was no way to meet the time check. I personally think more people quit when it was clear that there was no point than quit because they were unable to go on. For instance, I am certain that Lindsay and Dallas would have put the final effort in to get to Algona if the time check didn't make it pointless. I may not have made it to Algona, but I certainly would have gone further than I did if Algona was still a goal.

    This probably all sounds negative, and I don't want it to. I am just trying to put some ideas out after about a week of mulling it over.

    Oh, and one more thing I would like to edit into my post. I also hope to do this race again next year. I think the format is awesome, the people were great, but the weather sucked. I want another shake of the dice to try to get weather where someone less than superman can finish.
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    So ultimately I came away with a different vibe than most others from this race. I don't really see this as a personal achievement to have been beaten by the elements. Whether I trained for a day or year straight for this event, I would have had the same DNF result. This proves nothing about me to me as a rider, and I feel a little empty walking away from Trans Iowa.
    I think a lot of the competitors would agree that they felt like there was some unfinished business, but I think they might differ a bit with you on the "personal achievement to have been beaten by the elements" statement. That's missing the mark, I think.

    Looking back at the race knowing what I know now, I would have preferred to have a tiered finish line rather than hard cutoff times. For instance, if no one makes it to Algona by 6 PM, then Algona is the finish line and the order of arrivals in Algona is the order of finishers in the overall race. Whether people rolled in at 6:01 pm or midnight, that was the finish line.
    Ahh! Making the rules up as we go, now is that what you are saying? :hand: I did that last year and got blasted for it. No thanks! The rules are the rules when the flag drops. Everyone signed on understanding them, ( or at least they nodded as if to approve), so I am not going to open that can of worms! We were asked by a sage race promoter at the very onset of the idea of Trans Iowa if we were willing to not have anyone finish due to rain or what have you. We (Jeff and I) nodded yes, and so we have stuck to that ideal, which has met with rather hearty approval from several sources. We are not going to change that. You know what to expect from T.I. when you toe the line at this event. No waffling. No mid-race rule changes. It is what it is.

    With a definite goal people would have had a point to continue after it was evident that there was no way to meet the time check. I personally think more people quit when it was clear that there was no point than quit because they were unable to go on. For instance, I am certain that Lindsay and Dallas would have put the final effort in to get to Algona if the time check didn't make it pointless. I may not have made it to Algona, but I certainly would have gone further than I did if Algona was still a goal.
    I don't mean to speak for our Canadian friends, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Algona was the goal regardless of the fact that the two riders were outside the time limit. That's the beauty of Trans Iowa. It's held on public roads. You can ride all you want to, or where ever you want to, you just may not get listed on the results if you do so.

    This probably all sounds negative, and I don't want it to. I am just trying to put some ideas out after about a week of mulling it over.
    No harm- no foul.

    Oh, and one more thing I would like to edit into my post. I also hope to do this race again next year. I think the format is awesome, the people were great, but the weather sucked. I want another shake of the dice to try to get weather where someone less than superman can finish.
    If we come back for next year, we'd love to see you there! Have a great cycling summer! :8: Guitar Ted
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    I think a lot of the competitors would agree that they felt like there was some unfinished business, but I think they might differ a bit with you on the "personal achievement to have been beaten by the elements" statement. That's missing the mark, I think.
    I have been beaten by events that have made me quit when others have continued and succeded, and my attitude has been 100% different. There was a brevet I wrote about on a different thread on the MTBR forums that was during the hottest weekend of the year a few years back. I and three other guys quit, while three stalwart riders finished. After I quit I felt like I had failed, because indeed I had. It was possible for me to continue and finish, and had I been either a stronger rider or had I more mental endurance I would have.

    Trans Iowa V.2 was impossible for any mortal rider. I feel no regret that I did not finish, because it was not possible to finish within the scope of the race. Whether I was weak or strong, either physically or mentally, made zero difference. This is what I meant by not having been beaten by the elements. It wasn't a contest! Perhaps what I am saying is that the weather (actually, the roads) was SO MUCH stronger than I or anyone else that it was a massacre. To be beaten you need to have a fighting chance, it has to be a contest.

    Another point is that I made this my "A" race for the year. I love ultra-distance events, and here was one that fit the bill perfectly. I trained for hundreds of hours specifically for this race. I may not do another race all year. And when the actual event happened I didn't get to use my training. So my odd regret is not that I didn't train enough, but that I ultimately trained too much!!


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    Ahh! Making the rules up as we go, now is that what you are saying? :hand: I did that last year and got blasted for it. No thanks! The rules are the rules when the flag drops. Everyone signed on understanding them, ( or at least they nodded as if to approve), so I am not going to open that can of worms! We were asked by a sage race promoter at the very onset of the idea of Trans Iowa if we were willing to not have anyone finish due to rain or what have you. We (Jeff and I) nodded yes, and so we have stuck to that ideal, which has met with rather hearty approval from several sources. We are not going to change that. You know what to expect from T.I. when you toe the line at this event. No waffling. No mid-race rule changes. It is what it is.
    No, making the rules up as we went would not be a good idea. There was no way to inform everyone that the rules had changed. What were you to do, drive up and down the roads telling people the new plan? What about people who never got the message because they were in a store at the time, or because they quit before the message was put out? So I agree with you wholeheartedly that this year it would not have been a good idea, after the race had already started, to change the rules.

    BUT, that isn't to say that such a rule couldn't be prepared in advance of a future race and invoked in the case of ridiculous conditions. That wouldn't be changing the rules on the fly, it would be invoking a prepared, pre-explained plan B. This was just a suggestion for future use, not griping about the past and not trying to say what you should have done. You did the right thing not changing things on the fly. And, if you choose to disagree with this suggestion of mine, that is fine. It is your race, you did all of the work, and you can run it the way you want. And if you do run it with exactly the same rules next year as this year I will still want to have another go of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    I don't mean to speak for our Canadian friends, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Algona was the goal regardless of the fact that the two riders were outside the time limit. That's the beauty of Trans Iowa. It's held on public roads. You can ride all you want to, or where ever you want to, you just may not get listed on the results if you do so.
    Here I disagree. If you go back to page one of this thread you will find the following quote from Dallas:

    "I would also like to say for the record that Lindsey and I called from Mallard to say that we were pushing on to algona but were informed that "no one would be there" so we agreed that since we were past the cut off and nobody cared if we made it we stoped . I'd like to thank GT for and Jeff for even letting us push past the cutoff in the first place though"

    If Algona was a real goal they would have pushed on, but because the race was over they quit.

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    Trans Iowa V.2 was impossible for any mortal rider. I feel no regret that I did not finish, because it was not possible to finish within the scope of the race. Whether I was weak or strong, either physically or mentally, made zero difference.
    I know I'm missing something here but I thought the race was against the clock since we were all.., uh, well, in the same boat?
    If there was any chance of pulling off Algona by 6, I think a lot of us (me at least) would have continued. Even then, the finish line was in Decorah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    I know I'm missing something here but I thought the race was against the clock since we were all.., uh, well, in the same boat?
    If there was any chance of pulling off Algona by 6, I think a lot of us (me at least) would have continued. Even then, the finish line was in Decorah.

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    LOL. Yes, this is what I am saying. Or at least, trying to say. So I guess you could say the clock won?

    Most of us quit because we knew we were not going to make the time cut. We did not quit because we couldn't handle one more B road, because we couldn't handle one more river valley hill. We quit because looking at our cyclocomputers and at our watches we knew that there was no chance of making it. My suggestion, and it was only a suggestion, was meant to give riders a goal to ride for in future events like this if the weather becomes such a huge factor again.

    Again, just a suggestion. If no feedback is wanted, I will shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Looking back at the race knowing what I know now, I would have preferred to have a tiered finish line rather than hard cutoff times. For instance, if no one makes it to Algona by 6 PM, then Algona is the finish line and the order of arrivals in Algona is the order of finishers in the overall race. Whether people rolled in at 6:01 pm or midnight, that was the finish line.

    I think this is a great idea, if it's really bad, you just gotta make it to Algona for an "official" finish. My understanding is that this is what the race was this year but I might be mistaken, things are a little fuzzy in places out there. But if it's really tough going, Algona is the finish line.


    It's a bad idea to change the race when in progress but maybe for TI3.....

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    To Morlahach: As to your qoute from Dallas, you are correct in that he wrote that and I do believe that he believes that, but the fact of the matter is that I never spoke with Dallas on the phone. I spoke to Lindsay, who said that he wanted Paddy to come out to West Bend and pick them ( Dallas and Lindsay) up. I told Lindsay that in order to keep everyone happy and allow them to move on with their respective travel plans that we had already had the raffle and had sent everyone home. There was no sense in having everyone held hostage waiting for two Canadians to show up, ( assuming they would have actually made it) to Algona. I also told Lindsay that I would wait to officially recognize their arrival if and when they should show up, but he declined the offer.

    Now what did Lindsay say to Dallas? That I do not know.

    I do know that after we had dispatched Paddy to pick the two fellows up that Lindsay rang me up again to ask that Paddy pick them up in Mallard instead, but it was too late to head Paddy off, so they actually did ride to West Bend, which I only found out about just yesterday.

    So, I don't know what Dallas is referring to when he makes that statement. I did not speak to him on the matter. Kapiche?

    To Fastskiguy, Morlahach, et all: The statement I made about Trans Iowa earlier in my response to Morlahach concerning his suggestion stands. T.I. is what it is. Thanks for the suggestion, but we are keeping things as is. If we do not have conditions that allow for someone to keep up an average speed of +/- 10mph, then we will not have any finishers. I am perfectly fine with this situation. To have some sort of "B" plan would be a logistical nightmare concerning volunteers, and philosophically doesn't mesh with what this event is about.
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    Fair enough.

    That leaves me with three hopes: That you put the race on again next year, that I manage to get into the race, and that if it has to rain on us that the roads remain rideable.

    Tomorrow I am going to be doing a local brevet, the first in a series at 200K. Somehow 120 odd miles on pavement just doesn't seem like that big a deal any more. . .

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    I feel like I have to step in and repeat I had a great time , met some new and interesting people and look forward to trying this baby again.
    I think that maybe some of the fun aspects of this race should be listed instead of grinding this thing apart . I mean really ,wasn't it a good time? Was it really that bad?
    We had a winter of conversation and actually decent weather during TI . It could have been cold and raining hard.
    Finally I would like to state for no real purpose other than because I know it to be the truth . I was told by Lindsay that awards were done , people were leaving and NOBODY would be there . I guess it wasn't passed on to me that GT would wait till 12am for us but if anyone really thinks that we wouldn't have made it then I'll post all the other ultras we do the rest of the year and then you can make the call . It's a matter of honour for me to know that I did as much as I could and being told I bailed actually is disappointing . I have only quit two ultras (running) in my life and one was in 100+ temps with extremely high humidity and then it waS only after puking for 16 miles straight . I puked so much that at the end i couldn't keep watermelon down and puked it up while running down a hill.That race was after doing a 24 hour bike race the week before . The second one was at kettle 100 and again I got sick ( although I never did figure out why ) and as I got to the 100km finish I was informed that i could bail at that point at receive credit for that distance . I wouldn't be placed but credit would be given. I took that option and to this day regret doing it . I should have kept moving and been timed out as I feel it's a better way of doing it.That way you can say you did your best and someone decided it wasn't enough.
    I don't want to come off as an ******* but it does bother me a little . Lindsay probably doesn't care as he's getting ready for transalps and has done more things than is conceivable to most people.
    I do know that I wouldn't have made the cut off and don't for once think otherwise . But had I know that GT would have waited for me you can bet your house that I'd have been there .


    and for the record I pretty much expect to get slagged for this post .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmsigurdur
    I feel like I have to step in and repeat I had a great time , met some new and interesting people and look forward to trying this baby again.
    I think that maybe some of the fun aspects of this race should be listed instead of grinding this thing apart . I mean really ,wasn't it a good time? Was it really that bad?
    We had a winter of conversation and actually decent weather during TI . It could have been cold and raining hard.
    Finally I would like to state for no real purpose other than because I know it to be the truth . I was told by Lindsay that awards were done , people were leaving and NOBODY would be there . I guess it wasn't passed on to me that GT would wait till 12am for us but if anyone really thinks that we wouldn't have made it then I'll post all the other ultras we do the rest of the year and then you can make the call . It's a matter of honour for me to know that I did as much as I could and being told I bailed actually is disappointing . I have only quit two ultras (running) in my life and one was in 100+ temps with extremely high humidity and then it waS only after puking for 16 miles straight . I puked so much that at the end i couldn't keep watermelon down and puked it up while running down a hill.That race was after doing a 24 hour bike race the week before . The second one was at kettle 100 and again I got sick ( although I never did figure out why ) and as I got to the 100km finish I was informed that i could bail at that point at receive credit for that distance . I wouldn't be placed but credit would be given. I took that option and to this day regret doing it . I should have kept moving and been timed out as I feel it's a better way of doing it.That way you can say you did your best and someone decided it wasn't enough.
    I don't want to come off as an ******* but it does bother me a little . Lindsay probably doesn't care as he's getting ready for transalps and has done more things than is conceivable to most people.
    I do know that I wouldn't have made the cut off and don't for once think otherwise . But had I know that GT would have waited for me you can bet your house that I'd have been there .


    and for the record I pretty much expect to get slagged for this post .
    i could see that it would be discouraging to know that your arrival in algona would be met by no one. i would have quit too. i quit at 100 because i was hoping everyone else already pulled the plug, and i was out of fluids too. and the wind flat out sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iliketoridebikes
    i could see that it would be discouraging to know that your arrival in algona would be met by no one. i would have quit too. i quit at 100 because i was hoping everyone else already pulled the plug, and i was out of fluids too. and the wind flat out sucked.
    Thanks Dallas for chiming in here with your side of things. I'm sorry you didn't get that chance to ride it out all the way to Algona, but my wife was sure happy to see me that evening when I got home!

    I'm just interested in getting the true story out there. It's easy to get off on some side track when you don't know the whole story, which is what I was trying to put out there.

    As for the event, everyone knows it was pretty much over by Sutherland for everyone. Whatever riding anybody did after that time was purely for pride. There never was any plan to have the race go any other way than how it's always been laid out. Again, once the time cut was missed, you could ride for however long you wanted to. Why you quit the course is entirely your own decision. They are public roads. You can do what you want as far as riding is concerned.

    I only point all this out (again) because should the same scenario rise again, this is what you can expect at Trans Iowa- if we run it again. Somehow it seems that there is a sentiment amongst the riders that wants the goals of T.I. to be adaptable to the conditions prevalent at the time of the event, or be something other than they are now. Noted and considered, but not going to happen.

    Flexiflyer noted the back and forth discussion between Morlahach and I. I just wanted to say that I feel it was necessary to end any speculation that Jeff and I are going to change the events parameters in any way. End of transmission, as I feel that now it is understood.
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    Well ted you'd be proud (as would Iliketoride bikes) , I'm heading out to one of the toughest races in our provincial cup armed with a new surley 20 tooth cog and a brand new set of ignightors (Thanks Jeff for the review and paddy for the hook up ) . The rig is ready for it's second race (the first was a short track on a very very technical course ) . It's in Swan river , Manitoba in case anybody wants to see where we race at thunder hill . I dedicate this effort to everyone who races a 29er single speed .
    It might be of interest to know that In Manitoba we don't have a SS class and in my mind we don't need one . I figure it's mano on mano and that's the way it should be . Experts killing experts and so on. There are only about 5/6 of us any way and we know who did what .
    I really hope TI goes on next year as it truly is a very special event , and saying that please don't change a thing . It's beautiful . Last year a person who I admire GREATLY didn't finish and yet he said nothing bad about the event he even recommended it to me ( Pierre Ostor ) .
    I would also like to say thanks to GT and Jeff for collecting prizes . I know we didn't deserve them but who in there right mind would turn down a wool jersey . I have literally wanted on for years .Thanks . Lindsay by the way won the surley frame and you will all be happy to know that it will be his new bike Currier ride . Yep a retired 57 year old ass kicking Olympian bombing around Winnipeg with a karate monkey ( I think I got him convinced that 29ers rule ).
    I'd also like to ask the lurkers and posters to give props to Dan-O for his crazy ass effort at TI2 . He was the toughest sser that day and deserves it .
    Now ted did you get any pictures of the bikes of TI2 ? I ask because I want to get a pic of the Nebraska pink soulcraft which was the hands down hottest bike I had seen . That fork was so hot that I instantly regretted my order for the carbon bontrager rigid .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmsigurdur
    Well ted you'd be proud (as would Iliketoride bikes) , I'm heading out to one of the toughest races in our provincial cup armed with a new surley 20 tooth cog and a brand new set of ignightors (Thanks Jeff for the review and paddy for the hook up ) . The rig is ready for it's second race (the first was a short track on a very very technical course ) . It's in Swan river , Manitoba in case anybody wants to see where we race at thunder hill . I dedicate this effort to everyone who races a 29er single speed .
    It might be of interest to know that In Manitoba we don't have a SS class and in my mind we don't need one . I figure it's mano on mano and that's the way it should be . Experts killing experts and so on. There are only about 5/6 of us any way and we know who did what .
    I really hope TI goes on next year as it truly is a very special event , and saying that please don't change a thing . It's beautiful . Last year a person who I admire GREATLY didn't finish and yet he said nothing bad about the event he even recommended it to me ( Pierre Ostor ) .
    I would also like to say thanks to GT and Jeff for collecting prizes . I know we didn't deserve them but who in there right mind would turn down a wool jersey . I have literally wanted on for years .Thanks . Lindsay by the way won the surley frame and you will all be happy to know that it will be his new bike Currier ride . Yep a retired 57 year old ass kicking Olympian bombing around Winnipeg with a karate monkey ( I think I got him convinced that 29ers rule ).
    I'd also like to ask the lurkers and posters to give props to Dan-O for his crazy ass effort at TI2 . He was the toughest sser that day and deserves it .
    Now ted did you get any pictures of the bikes of TI2 ? I ask because I want to get a pic of the Nebraska pink soulcraft which was the hands down hottest bike I had seen . That fork was so hot that I instantly regretted my order for the carbon bontrager rigid .

    i appreciate your recognition
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmsigurdur
    Well ted you'd be proud (as would Iliketoride bikes) , I'm heading out to one of the toughest races in our provincial cup armed with a new surley 20 tooth cog and a brand new set of ignightors (Thanks Jeff for the review and paddy for the hook up ) . The rig is ready for it's second race (the first was a short track on a very very technical course ) . It's in Swan river , Manitoba in case anybody wants to see where we race at thunder hill . I dedicate this effort to everyone who races a 29er single speed .
    It might be of interest to know that In Manitoba we don't have a SS class and in my mind we don't need one . I figure it's mano on mano and that's the way it should be . Experts killing experts and so on. There are only about 5/6 of us any way and we know who did what .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    Flexiflyer noted the back and forth discussion between Morlahach and I. I just wanted to say that I feel it was necessary to end any speculation that Jeff and I are going to change the events parameters in any way. End of transmission, as I feel that now it is understood.
    The riders and the directors both came away with totally different perspectives. The directors want something that is epic, potentially impossible to finish, will become the stuff of legend, etc. The riders want something that, if they prepare enough and ride hard enough, they can succeed in. I was trying to bridge the gap between the two.

    I don't think there has been any speculation that you were going to change the parameters. You have been <i>very</i> clear about that one! I was just trying to make a hopefully helpful suggestion. I am sorry that the suggestion evidently came off wrong and ruffled some feathers. That was certainly not my intention.

    I will go back under my rock now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmsigurdur
    I ask because I want to get a pic of the Nebraska pink soulcraft which was the hands down hottest bike I had seen . That fork was so hot that I instantly regretted my order for the carbon bontrager rigid .
    oh yeah. you have such good taste dallas. here's a pic. from january. not exactly current but close. i just finished rebuilding it after the slog fest. down to the frame. new brake pads, new cables and housing, linseed oil in the seat-tube, repacked the headset. pulled the BB. i love overkill.

    i think i'm going to go hit that dirty kanza. i feel like i wanna put all my mental preparation to use. hope the rain gods are appeased after my wet trip to fruita and the TI.

    hey GT, same tires as TI for the kanza? and a slightly lower gear?
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    Hi everyone,

    Hope you're all recovered and back to loving your bikes again. I had a busy week at my new career as a bike courier. I love to come by my old store around 4 in the afternoon and tell paddy that i've had a pretty quiet day and only have in 118 km.
    I had a great time in Iowa and hope to return to do the whole state next year. We had just got to some nice scenic parts.
    As for the discussion that has been going back and forth between dallas and Guitar Ted, I'd like to tell my version which is somewhere in between theirs. We stopped in Mallard ( where the town's slogan is we're friendly ducks and from what we saw that is true) with the intention of eating something warm and fuelling up to continue to Algona. We ate our burgers and I did the Tour de France thing with a newspaper in the front of my jersey with the feeling that we'd be out there another 4 1/2 - 5 hrs . I phoned to let you guys know that we were still coming. Mark told me that you had already held the awards ceremony and everyone was leaving. We obviously misunderstood each other as I didn't have the impression that he and Jeff were prepared to stay until we arrived. It sounded to me like Paddy would be sitting there by himself until we arrived. I saw no point in that as the 58 year old kid in me was looking for a huge throng as we swept under the finishing banner ( if you can call going 8 mph sweeping along ). Seriously, we were concerned as we were pretty sure that Paddy would heve run out of Guiness ( which he was using for medicinal purposes only )
    I just want to comment on the race from a pair of fairly experienced eyes. First and foremost, I loved the event and the concept of thes long rides in general. When the race started I definitely sensed that in light of the conditions we were going 5 hr and not 25 hr pace. I am always very respectful of nature and what she can throw at you and I chose to back off a bit. When we caught up to the group after one of the b road sections ( b road is an Iowa expression meaning mud bog ) I asked someone how many riders were ahead and I was surprised to learn that this was the lead group. I think some people think too far ahead and that can be a problem when that picture shows about 12 more hours of slogging through the mud.
    I've always thought that I will drop out when I simply can't go on. I think that a lot of us including myself in the end didn't meet that standard. I guess that's why my favorite race is the next one I'm about to do as you always hope to do better in it . As for myself , I'm getting ready for the 8 day Trans Alp Challenge in July. I'll let you know how it 's coming along.

    Lindsay

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    the "little Man" speaks

    Holy ****, hell has frozen over, Lindsay's on the weeb!

    I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that you rode your bike with Dallas in tow for 16 hrs, or that you typed out a reply on this thread, which knowing how well you type, could have easily taken another 16 hrs...

    I wish Guinness was medicinal, thankfully I can wash my antibiotics down with it.

    C'mon Linsday...come to Kansas!!!
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    guy on the right

    Quote Originally Posted by mombok

    before this thread dies can someone tell me if you are the guy on the right in this picture?
    i am thinking it might be dallas?
    that's me in the middle and pink single speed guy on the left

    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1146498021

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    hell ya it's me

    and I think at the time I was saying "man you guys are kicking some ass" .
    Oh and for the record that's my screen saver right now
    till we ride again.
    dallas

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