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    ORAMM first timer

    Well, I put caution to the wind and registered last night for my first ORAMM. I've read the forums and watched the YouTube vids but still have lots of questions and thoughts however I wanted to get some general advice here before bombarding with my own thoughts. Any thoughts or advice out there? SAG stop advice or suggestions?

    thanks in advance

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    Iím signed up for my first oramm Also


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raleighguy29 View Post
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    Awesome! Hopefully we can both get some good stuff out of this post

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    ORAMM is a great race, I did it for the first time last year and posted a few things on my blog about it:

    ORAMM Digital Recon

    ORAMM Race Recap

    ORAMM Segment Breakdown


    I'm not racing it this year because I'll be in Colorado the following week and couldn't swing it, but I have a bunch of friends who will be there. I'm going to try and update my top tube cue sheet for 6/7/8 hour target times.

    Overall it's a climbers race, I'd recover a little more on the descents and focus more on the climbs next time. 34t ring was a bad choice, I'll bring a 28 or 30t next time (10-42 cassette). Curtis Creek Road is....long. Kitsuma the 2nd time hurt pretty bad but I was toast. Oh man Kitsuma DH at the end is just ear to ear smiles though, you've earned it at that point.
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    Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks man. Quick question on the SAG stops. Did you send up full bottles or only bottles with powdered and fill them up at the aid station?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsills View Post
    Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks man. Quick question on the SAG stops. Did you send up full bottles or only bottles with powdered and fill them up at the aid station?
    At Sag 1,2 and 4 I had someone there to hand me a full bottle or two, never stopped more than 30 seconds there. At sag 3 I sent a bag with my mix and filled with water there, maybe 2-3 minutes total. That's at the end of Curtis Creek rd, you'll be ready for a break, or at least I was. You can't send anyone to Sag 3 because it's on the highway and there's no parking. I sent some extra nutrition there and ended up using it, but don't send anything you don't mind losing because they don't bring that stuff back until way late that night (i.e. sending bottles/tools/etc and then not using them).

    If you have someone to help you, sag 1 and 4 are the same spot so that's easy (plus right before sag 4 is the hecklers at Heartbreak so they'd have entertainment). If I was doing it self supported I'd probably just pack bags of mix in my jersey cause I can't drink that Hammer stuff they have at the sags. You can complete the race with what they have at the sags for sure, plenty of calories, but if you're racing it I'd stick with your own nutrition plan.

    Wish I could go this year, just found out another couple of friends are going to be there. Such a fun race, great mix of technical stuff and climbing, something for everyone. If you can get there a couple days early it's worth it to pre ride Kitsuma and Star gap (aka lower Heartbreak DH). Park at bottom of Kitsuma DH and ride out of the park up the paved path which will lead to Kitsuma switchbacks, up up up then smash that DH. Back to parking lot then out of the park down the road 1/2 mile to a little dirt path that goes to Star Gap. Hike a bike in the first section then climb it up a ways to the split and turn around, we sessioned the lower section to make sure we nailed it with the heckers in our face
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    Good Luck! I did it last year and will be back again this year. Absolutely a climbers race/ride. Sags where fully stocked and overall just great. Despite never riding more than 40 miles previously I was able to complete it so, You Can Do It!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocksolid View Post
    Good Luck! I did it last year and will be back again this year. Absolutely a climbers race/ride. Sags where fully stocked and overall just great. Despite never riding more than 40 miles previously I was able to complete it so, You Can Do It!
    Great news and congrats! Thank you for the motivation 😁

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    Here is the route with elevation. It's my fav race. I have don't a few times. Almost broke sub 5 hours last year.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1109257690
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    Dude, that's freaking fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Here is the route with elevation. It's my fav race. I have don't a few times. Almost broke sub 5 hours last year.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1109257690
    Wow. Very nice man! I'm hoping for sub 7 hours 😳

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    Has anyone heard if there will be any course changes due to wash out on Jarrett Creek? I was out there a couple weeks ago and you could make it around if you were ok with poison oak, but it will be messy with ~350 people over the course of 2 days.

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    I haven't heard anything
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    10-4, thanks! Just doing the Jerdon single speed, great course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by primefocus View Post
    10-4, thanks! Just doing the Jerdon single speed, great course!
    curious, what gear you thinking? I've never raced SS out of Florida but I know 2:1 won't fly up there. Something like 32/20?
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    I spoke with the gentleman who won the Jerdon SS last year (I think he placed second SS in the ORAMM the next day). He said he was on 32-19. I am much more middle of the pack and was comfortable on the Jerdon with 32-20. Come to think of it, I think this gentleman was also from Florida. He had a Lauf fork and was mighty speedy on the buff gravel roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primefocus View Post
    I spoke with the gentleman who won the Jerdon SS last year (I think he placed second SS in the ORAMM the next day). He said he was on 32-19. I am much more middle of the pack and was comfortable on the Jerdon with 32-20. Come to think of it, I think this gentleman was also from Florida. He had a Lauf fork and was mighty speedy on the buff gravel roads.
    That sounds about right, I talked to one of the Team Tall Racing guys last year who did well in SS (not the one in the speedo though) at ORAMM and I think he was somewhere around 32/20. Bobby I think it was, Miami guy.

    Should be a couple SS guys from FL this year, wish I could make it (geared or SS) but too many other commitments this summer. Such a fun race!
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    Enjoy your time out west!

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    Iím back to hit ORAMM again this year after an 8-year hiatus. My last run at it was in 2010 where I was on a 26Ē Anthem. I swore that race off after 3 years straight and breaking 6:30 on gears. Iíve been riding SS exclusively the last 3-years and thought Iíd go back and give it a try on SS. Gearing though is the big question. 32-20 is probably about right... 32-21 would be really spinny but make the last 20 miles bearable. The climbs are long and steep. I dunno...

    Iíve heard that there will be a re-route due to the Jarrett Creek Rd washout and that it will be announced sometime this week on their FB page.


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    My advice, ride it out on Heartbreak. You don't wanna be in this guy's video walking it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalkerfiveo View Post
    My advice, ride it out on Heartbreak. You don't wanna be in this guy's video walking it.


    "You're a Dupont guy aren't you?" hahaha, so uncalled for

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudderNutter View Post
    "You're a Dupont guy aren't you?" hahaha, so uncalled for
    Several videos of this guy at there. Probably one of the best hecklers ever.

    Heckler: I am really disappointed in you right now.
    Rider: I'd like to see you try it funny guy.
    Heckler: I did it yesterday and got the KOM.

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    Those videos are what caused me to sign up for the race last year. I almost want to go ride Jerdon saturday then go heckle ORAMM with those guys sunday

    Pre ride it so you can clear it, riders left is the easier line but I think far right is what I'll try next time, speed is your friend regardless of line choice. That point in the race was over 5 hours in for me (7:15 finish) so you're pretty gassed, its at the bottom of a 25-30 minute burly DH which comes right after the longest climb of the day (1:30+ for me).
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    ORAMM first timer

    Burly DH? And they are walking this? I got to ask how Burly can it be? This was entertaining especially since i ride a ďsworksĒ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropper View Post
    Burly DH? And they are walking this? I got to ask how Burly can it be? This was entertaining especially since i ride a ďsworksĒ
    It ain't that bad. I'm from Florida and I cleared it first time on the pre ride with my XC bike no dropper post. But it's not that much slower to walk that section so some people hedge their bets, even in the top 10 like Bob McCarty.
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    ORAMM first timer

    I get it risk versus gain but that left line looks so clean and Mr Heckler is nothing more than a really boisterous coach he even tells you the line to run! Thank you sir! Would love to run that in head to toe ďsworksĒ gear for him just to hear what he had to say. Maybe lie to him and tell him im a lawyer or a doctor that for sure get him ramped up. I got to say that course looks like it was made for an intense sniper.

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    show up in an aero helmet, tri jersey, on an Sworks and smash the right line
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    Thanks for the word on the course change!

    Left line is not that bad. Right/middle would be so much more fun if there wasn't an immediate right-hander at the bottom, it really keeps you from blasting it lol. Spectators crowd in close too.

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    Can't wait. I think I'm all set

    Pinkpowa - you think 36T is too big even with Eagle 10-50 cassette?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsills View Post
    Can't wait. I think I'm all set

    Pink-owl - you think 36T is too big even with Eagle 10-50 cassette?
    It would be for me. I was 34t on a 10-42 and I was in 34x42 early and often, looking for another gear. I'm probably in the ~3w/kg range for long climbs in that kind of race so YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpowa View Post
    It would be for me. I was 34t on a 10-42 and I was in 34x42 early and often, looking for another gear. I'm probably in the ~3w/kg range for long climbs in that kind of race so YMMV.
    I would think a 34t on a 50t eagle would be okay. 36t is probably doable but might be a stretch. You may find yourself searching for a smaller gearóespecially towards the end. I run a 32t oval with a 9-46 cassette and those long climbs are all manageable for me (note thatís on a long travel enduro bike so not the most efficient pedaler). Iím doing ORAMM for the first time this year but Iím local and ride those trails/forest road climbs quite often. I could probably size up to a larger chainring and still be okay but I donít really see a need for the extra high end range (especially with a 9t small cog).


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    I ride with most of those hecklers down here in Jacksonville, FL. They'd get a kick out one of you guys all aero'd out tackling the rock of death. Some of them are riding Jerdon Saturday and heckling ORAMM Sunday, so if you are skipping Jerdon take the opportunity to heckle them. We do have a good crew (myself included) that are doubling down this year too, that's gonna be "fun".

    ORAMM will be my first time but I've done Jerdon a few times. Still riding my 2011 Yeti Big Top hardtail but this time with 32t front and 11-46 11 speed. I have a granduro 26t up front too just in case I need it. Guaranteed to be an exhausting day. Can't wait.

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    The new route for Jerdon and ORAMM are posted on their Facebook page, FYI. Not sure how it differs, perhaps a local can shed some light?
    https://www.facebook.com/BlueRidgeAdventures
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    After the first Kitsuma loop, It looks like they are bypassing the star gap-Jarrett creek-Curtis creek part and routing on the road through old fort to get to Curtis creek instead.


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    Interesting, so for ORAMM it'll kinda come into the bottom of Curtis creek the way Jerdon does?

    They didn't cut out the Heartbreak DH on the way back, right? That would be tragic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpowa View Post
    Interesting, so for ORAMM it'll kinda come into the bottom of Curtis creek the way Jerdon does?

    They didn't cut out the Heartbreak DH on the way back, right? That would be tragic!
    Heartbreak is still in. I was out there two weeks ago and it was totally fine.

    From the bottom of Kitsuma, the old route was star gap-> Jarrett creek -> Curtis Creek. Now from the bottom of Kitsuma, it looks like you take mill creek back towards old fort -> Us70 -> Curtis Creek. From that point everything else looks to be the same. It looks like they are just routing around around Jarrett Creek using the road through old fort.


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    This potentially means a one-tooth taller gear for SS with all of the road. Was planning to run a 20 but maybe 32-19 is the way to go.


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    Am I reading the revised Jerdon cues correctly: No Heartbreak and just Kitsuma 2x?
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    For ORAMM - now down to only 3 rest stops instead of 4?
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    That seems like a lot of pavement

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    Kinda thinking about signing up last minute for this, would I hate life if I did it on an XC hard tail with eagle?

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    Not at all!

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    I decided to sign up for this, so I'll be out there suffering with all of you! Not entirely looking forward to the drive from Indiana though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cal_len1 View Post
    I decided to sign up for this, so I'll be out there suffering with all of you! Not entirely looking forward to the drive from Indiana though...
    Me and 3 others from Indiana are doing it also.


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    Soooooo... How'd it go?!

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    Looked about 1-2 hours faster than normal based on my friends' times. Taking out Star Gap and replacing it with highway 70 sped it up quite a bit I reckon. ~50 miles and 7k of climbing this year, attendence looked down based on the results. Of course the top dawgs were crushing souls again this year with ridiculous times.

    How was that creek crossing at the finish?
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    Went super well for me, although I'm a little disappointed I didn't get the full experience. Oh well, hopefully next year it's all back. No mechanicals or crashes for me, and hit 6 hours, so I'm super happy. Those front dudes though...they are something else, averaging 10.8 mph up the full Curtis creek/parkway segment!

    I'm going to seriously consider bringing a full suspension next year, instead of my XC hard tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cal_len1 View Post
    I'm going to seriously consider bringing a full suspension next year, instead of my XC hard tail.
    Interesting. I'd like to do this race some day. I have always just assumed I'd take my hard tail with a dropper post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalkerfiveo View Post
    Interesting. I'd like to do this race some day. I have always just assumed I'd take my hard tail with a dropper post.
    There is no reason you can't do this, and honestly I'm not sure a dropper post is necessary. For me, the descents were super rough though, think typical Pisgah trails. I'm also a weak descender, so this could be part of it, but it felt like I was having the teeth rattled out of my head. However, some dudes were riding full rigid, so you do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cal_len1 View Post
    There is no reason you can't do this
    Training fell off this year after the Snake 50. I'd have really liked to carry that training and fitness through the summer and tried ORAMM then carry through September by doing my first Fools gold and besting my previous time at Black bear. BUT, we found out we had a baby on the way AND put a house on the market. It has been a super busy spring/summer.

    2019 or 2020 I'll get back into it proper.
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    Took me 8hrs33min to finish but the weather was perfect. I pushed my legs way to hard on the road which cought up to me later. Congratulations to all!
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    Well... Iím still alive at least. 🤕. I finished in 7hr 16min. Hardest thing Iíve ever done in my life. Learned a lot. I am horrible at climbing. Horrible may be an understatement. I have no where near the descending prowess that I thought I had. The top Fuel was too little and too light for the terrain. 32T with eagle 50 is not enough. Unlike me, Take the advice above and go with a 30T in front. 28T if you can find it. Seriously, I show an 11 mile continuous climb! I wasnít forced to hike a bike any of it right up until heartbreak ridge. Whoever the hell named that trail deserves a Pulitzer! Oh, I almost forgot the single speed riders. Where in the hell do those guys train? The Swiss alps?

    All in all, a great race that I wish I would have never found out about. Although, Iíll probably have to go back next year though to confirm that wish. I live to suffer I guess.

    PS - Why on Godís green earth would there be a porta potty at every other SAG stop? 🤯🤔🤮💩. To the guy that saved my day with a plastic bag, toilet paper, wipes and directions of where to go ó I owe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsills View Post
    Well... Iím still alive at least. 🤕. I finished in 7hr 16min. Hardest thing Iíve ever done in my life. Learned a lot. I am horrible at climbing. Horrible may be an understatement. I have no where near the descending prowess that I thought I had. The top Fuel was too little and too light for the terrain. 32T with eagle 50 is not enough. Unlike me, Take the advice above and go with a 30T in front. 28T if you can find it. Seriously, I show an 11 mile continuous climb! I wasnít forced to hike a bike any of it right up until heartbreak ridge. Whoever the hell named that trail deserves a Pulitzer! Oh, I almost forgot the single speed riders. Where in the hell do those guys train? The Swiss alps?

    All in all, a great race that I wish I would have never found out about. Although, Iíll probably have to go back next year though to confirm that wish. I live to suffer I guess.

    PS - Why on Godís green earth would there be a porta potty at every other SAG stop? 🤯🤔🤮💩. To the guy that saved my day with a plastic bag, toilet paper, wipes and directions of where to go ó I owe you.
    This is one of my favorite race reports of all time, hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudderNutter View Post
    This is one of my favorite race reports of all time, hahaha
    Same here, glad you made it out alive dsills. For next year keep in mind that Star Gap (aka lower heartbreak but going up) is more steep and 2x as long as the Kitsuma switchback climb, that's where having a 34t wasted my legs last year. I'll be bringing a 28t most likely.

    Curtis Creek road never ends huh? Loved the Kitsuma DH the last time, could not wipe the smile off my face. Can't wait to go back
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpowa View Post
    Same here, glad you made it out alive dsills. For next year keep in mind that Star Gap (aka lower heartbreak but going up) is more steep and 2x as long as the Kitsuma switchback climb, that's where having a 34t wasted my legs last year. I'll be bringing a 28t most likely.

    Curtis Creek road never ends huh? Loved the Kitsuma DH the last time, could not wipe the smile off my face. Can't wait to go back
    Man you couldnít have been more right about Curtis creek rd. After about an hour and half of non stop climbing I wondered if this was the path to heaven. Loved the Kitsuma downhill. Both times. 😄
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