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    Colorado Trail Race '08

    Starts at noon on Monday, July 28!

    There seems to be even more interest this time around, so it's about time to start a new discussion thread. Before asking a bunch of stuff here, head over to the webpage first:

    http://www.climbingdreams.net/ctr/

    And just a reminder, this is a self-timed, individual time-trial, so as long as you play by the rules, you can start whenever you want! The date has been picked as a balance between daylight hours, temperatures, snowpack and thunderstorms to give riders the best chance of finishing.
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    Towns en route.

    The CTR rolls through:

    Tarryall
    Frisco
    Copper Mountain
    Leadville
    Buena Vista
    Silverton

    Lake City is ~3 mi. off route. Not many services in Tarryall

    Last year, mandatory check-ins were at Copper or Frisco, Buena Vista and Silverton. However, riders were encouraged to check in at Leadville and/or Lake City.
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    Thanks a ton. That really helps with my planning. I wonder how many people will show up this year?

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    Is there any plans for a pre-race meeting and/or beers??

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    Quote Originally Posted by joatley
    Is there any plans for a pre-race meeting and/or beers??
    Yes, there will be a pre-race meeting. Location and time TBD, but expect somewhere within a mile or two of the trailhead, around 10am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joatley
    Is there any plans for a pre-race meeting and/or beers??
    Oh - there's plans for beers. And if we can get my wife drunk enough I might just get to do the race.

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    hummm I won't be starting with yall but planing on tt'ing it late aug or sept.

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    This is on my list. Just not this year. I can't wait though to hear all the stories that '08 will bring.
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    Stefan- so there are [I][I]someservices in Tarryall? The guidebook says nothing...knowing that I can get at least a couple thousand calories of junk food on that bicycle leg would make a big differencein my planning...
    I'm still on track for doing this as a "tour" earlier in the month...do participants want a post regarding any negative trail conditions noted or would you rather find out for yer-selves (that'd be my preference if I was going...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    Stefan- so there are [I][I]someservices in Tarryall? The guidebook says nothing...knowing that I can get at least a couple thousand calories of junk food on that bicycle leg would make a big differencein my planning...
    Yes, there are "some" services in Tarryall, but they are certainly not 24-hour convenience store type services. Last year, I rolled through there just before dawn, and the 1 motel/bar/restaurant looking place was shut tight. Apparently others were able to get a philly-cheesesteak sandwich around there someplace later in the day! If you want to ride off-route a few miles south off of Kenosha Pass, I believe there are some services in the small community of Jefferson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Yes, there are "some" services in Tarryall, but they are certainly not 24-hour convenience store type services. Last year, I rolled through there just before dawn, and the 1 motel/bar/restaurant looking place was shut tight. Apparently others were able to get a philly-cheesesteak sandwich around there someplace later in the day! If you want to ride off-route a few miles south off of Kenosha Pass, I believe there are some services in the small community of Jefferson.
    Like I said, touring. Just before dawn, I'll be asleep. 30 or so miles into the bicylce route should be mid-day for me. Hot lunch!

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    Pics of CTR rig

    I was out training on the CT yesterday with my wife and thought I would post some pics of my rig for the CTR. Training is going well as I have been riding a lot and tweaking my gear. Segment 1, 2, 3 are in great shape and I plan on riding the detour and segment 5 and 6 over the next few weeks. I'll sure I will hit snow over Kenosha Pass but we'll see.

    Any questions or comments...please let me know....

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    Wow, perfect timing post! I went out today for a fully loaded training ride as well for the CTR. Everything seems to be in place for me gear wise. Of course I'll be tweaking a few things here and there.
    I traded out my Osprey Talon 22 for an Ergon BD2 pack. Aside from the lack of pockets I really like it. I'm having some pockets sewn in though so no worries there.
    My total pack weight without food and water is around 11.5 lbs.
    Man I just want to finish it.

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    Hey Sherpaxc..I have not seen the Ergon packs around town..I reviewed them on-line and they look pretty nice. I am using the new Camelback Octane 14+ (http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm) pack and have been really happy with how it rides and carries. It can hold 1400 cu inches of stuff and compresses down with a zipper on the outside when caryying smaller loads.

    I have around 15 lbs (includes 100oz water) in my pack and around 10 lbs of gear on my bike. I was going to use my OR advanced bivy but came decided to go with the new Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 tent (2.6 lbs) for more comfort. I hate sleeping in a bivy unless it is really cold or rainy so I figured I better get comfortable. The tent weights about 1 lb more but it much more comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbstone13
    I was out training on the CT yesterday with my wife and thought I would post some pics of my rig for the CTR. Training is going well as I have been riding a lot and tweaking my gear. Segment 1, 2, 3 are in great shape and I plan on riding the detour and segment 5 and 6 over the next few weeks. I'll sure I will hit snow over Kenosha Pass but we'll see.

    Any questions or comments...please let me know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    Thanks a ton. That really helps with my planning. I wonder how many people will show up this year?

    Yourself and whoever else shows - and your gonna finish it too! Or else!!!

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    I knew I shouldn't have even looked this out

    Ah Man I knew I just should have stayed away, but I just can't stay away, hearing you guys talk about this thing is killing me. So for the record I am out for the 08 race, still recovering from the spleen thing, haven't riden my Mtb since November!!! Yikes. But can't wait to watch you guys all suffer, ha. So keep up the planning and scheming and rock that s&*t. Coolio, good luck to all and I would be honored to add to the discussion, Peace Jefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Ah Man I knew I just should have stayed away, but I just can't stay away, hearing you guys talk about this thing is killing me. So for the record I am out for the 08 race, still recovering from the spleen thing, haven't riden my Mtb since November!!! Yikes. But can't wait to watch you guys all suffer, ha. So keep up the planning and scheming and rock that s&*t. Coolio, good luck to all and I would be honored to add to the discussion, Peace Jefe
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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Ah Man I knew I just should have stayed away, but I just can't stay away, hearing you guys talk about this thing is killing me. So for the record I am out for the 08 race, still recovering from the spleen thing, haven't riden my Mtb since November!!! Yikes. But can't wait to watch you guys all suffer, ha. So keep up the planning and scheming and rock that s&*t. Coolio, good luck to all and I would be honored to add to the discussion, Peace Jefe
    Yeah, it's killing me too, but I guess I can't complain since I'm out this year because of a baby, not a spleen.

    Man, I sure hope you have full recovery with your spleen, and hopefully we'll start the CTR '09 together. Now that I'm used to the fact that I won't be racing, I too am looking forward to watching everybody suffer and survive and have a great time doing it! Current count for the race is 9 fo' shizzlez.
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    someday...

    I am due to get another CAT scan sometime soon to see if all is healed inside there, it is still sore and just feels weird. Internal injuries are strange, it's not like a broken bone or anything, no obvious thing to watch heal, just a presence inside that just doesn't feel right. I am hiking a bit and riding to work, very short commute, a few road rides, but even that was overdoing it a bit. SO it is torture, everyone riding, but hell it could be worse, right? So maybe a few weeks I can ride off road, I hope untill then, books, guitar, and dog walks....so my advice, save the pushing it for the bike riding, not driving, cars bad, bikes good....Take care y'all Jefe

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    I`m in again this year. Looks like under ten people so far.
    Jefe, bummer, my healing vibes are being sent, Stefan, congrats on a new challenge. You two will be missed, Dave too.
    I have a whole bunch of new pain this year, cronic neck{from last years CTR}, tore an ACL this winter plus more. Who cares about that? I have a new bike and new gear so I`m all set, now if it would stop snowing.
    Hoping for a finish on the seventh day, Dan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consumerbydesign
    I`m in again this year. Looks like under ten people so far.
    Jefe, bummer, my healing vibes are being sent, Stefan, congrats on a new challenge. You two will be missed, Dave too.
    I have a whole bunch of new pain this year, cronic neck{from last years CTR}, tore an ACL this winter plus more. Who cares about that? I have a new bike and new gear so I`m all set, now if it would stop snowing.
    Hoping for a finish on the seventh day, Dan.
    danny boy, sounds like you still got the right attitude. i'm sending 3+ out from NC this year (including trish stevenson) to represent in my stead. they're all very safety-oriented types so you'll get along well. i'll be with brand new cub by then and following on MTBcast. do something about last year's wacky-rack set up b/f you roll. see jeff boatman at CDW maybe? -matty lee

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    Hey Matt, just curious, who from NC is coming?

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    Hello CTR and question

    This is my offical introduction to you all. Happy to find a message board! This is TURK and I will be there! Stefan - you said its a self timed event and we can start whenver we want - I thought we are all going to start together at 12:00 Monday - we can start say Saturday before Monday now? Please explain, my plan was to always start at the time slated on your website. Turk

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    Hi Turk-

    In a nutshell, this is a self-timed time trial, and you can start whenever you want. From the webpage: "There is no entry fee, no support, no registration, and no prize money. It is an individual time trial: all that is provided is a route description, a suggested start time, and a list of results."

    I know most people intend on starting at noon on Monday, and it does make things more interesting that way, but you are not obligated to start then. Being a solo, self-supported and self-timed event, there is really nothing to restrict (or prevent) people from starting whenever they want. However, in the spirit of camaraderie, and for some companionship and added competitive motivation, there is a suggested start time.

    Make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Yes, there will be a pre-race meeting. Location and time TBD, but expect somewhere within a mile or two of the trailhead, around 10am.
    There's a Heidi's Brooklyn Deli less than a mile from the TH in Roxborough(Waterton Rd and Rampart Range Rd) that would work nicely.

    If you want beers, there's a dive bar, The North Shore at Chatfield and Wadsworth, a bit further than Heidi's.

    I'm not riding this year, but I plan on ditching out of work a little and heading down to take pictures of the start.
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    I'm a nc cat from the town of ash-vegas but now am located in denver. Am unable to do the race when you all start but am gonna do my own tt on the CT starting on June 28. Rolling it with the fixie, will see how it all works out. The time is near. peace. e

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    Does anyone have a GPX track of the CTR that they'd be willing to share for the race? I just got one of those gizmo's and I'd like to use it during the race.
    Anyone?
    thanks.

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    GPX track

    Pop me an email and I'll send what I have along when I get a chance to visit my inlaws. All my GPX tracks are on their computer since I just have a mac here at home. I could swear I made one last year although I will definitely have to go through it and make sure it matches the final course.

    No guarantee it's 100% right, yada yada. The CTR is one of the few ultra courses where a GPS is mostly unnecessary but they're still fun to play with and take a lot of the guess work out of a few turns here and there.
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    I kind of felt that it wouldn't be necessary but it's a fun new toy that I'd like to play with. I have a Mac as well but my buddy is a GPS guru and say's he can work with it. Anyway, I heard from a friend up there that for the most part you could ride/hike the entire CTR with barely a look at a map (in the daylight of course). I've still got my maps though! Thanks.

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    You can make due with a mac but ScottM's TopoFusion software is soooo nice on a PC. One of these days I've got to get a PC here at home so I can use it more.

    I'll make the CTR track available to anyone that wants it after I get a chance to find it in my archives and compare it to Stefan's laid out course, just make sure you know not to rely on it, blah blah blah.
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    Race related questions here:

    1. How far into the race is Frisco and are their descent supplies there? I'm trying to figure out if I need food for one or 2 days of riding. I'm hoping to time Tarryall and score a meal there.

    2. What is the longest stretch between supply stops, where, and how long?

    3. Please clarify, we DON'T go by the Official Guidebook directions for the Tarryall detour but instead go by the directions that are linked on the CTR website correct? All other mandatory detours we follow the guidebook?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    Race related questions here:

    1. How far into the race is Frisco and are their descent supplies there? I'm trying to figure out if I need food for one or 2 days of riding. I'm hoping to time Tarryall and score a meal there.

    2. What is the longest stretch between supply stops, where, and how long?

    3. Please clarify, we DON'T go by the Official Guidebook directions for the Tarryall detour but instead go by the directions that are linked on the CTR website correct? All other mandatory detours we follow the guidebook?

    Thanks.
    The race starts a few hours earlier this year. that combined with riding late into the evening the first night should put me in Frisco after business hours but while some stores are still open.
    Still will plan on two nights out to start tho. Frisco has all one could need. I found nothing in Terryall. Just before getting back to dirt I found a cheesesteak dealer that saved me and I din`nt know it. The detour is described on Stefans website and in great detail at the pre-race meeting. Another detour is slightly different then described in the book, dont have my papers with me on vacation, but it is easy and was decided at the last minute last year.
    I never saw the longest stretch between stores last year and have a mucho bigger pack this year. Not enough food was always a nagging problem. I would say between B.V.and Silverton is the longest stretch, but there are a few small places like Princston hot Springs that has food til they close.
    Don`t over plan like I did. Just get a bigger pack. See you there, Dan.

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    Heh

    All I have to say is I like to eat Skimping on food is a baaaaad idea in my mind. I don't know how many people I heard out on the GDR/TD this year that ran out of food while I didn't restock (ice cream and hot meals I got lucky enough to find not withstanding) until several days in.

    I typically carry with me stuff I like or need to eat that I can't find on the trail. Then I supplement that with whatever I can find as it runs low. If I had to guess, I won't buy a lot of food until BV and then I'll stock up for the run all the way to Silverton. That's definitely the furthest distance although lake city isn't far off route too.

    Mountain towns are weird. I never plan on getting anything late at night although I think Frisco probably has 24 hour gas station at least. Maybe someone who raced last year can confirm that.

    Also the Tarryall detour in the guidebook is just incomplete if I remember right. They just stop the directions around mile 50 even though that's not the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    All I have to say is I like to eat Skimping on food is a baaaaad idea in my mind. I don't know how many people I heard out on the GDR/TD this year that ran out of food while I didn't restock (ice cream and hot meals I got lucky enough to find not withstanding) until several days in.

    I typically carry with me stuff I like or need to eat that I can't find on the trail. Then I supplement that with whatever I can find as it runs low. If I had to guess, I won't buy a lot of food until BV and then I'll stock up for the run all the way to Silverton. That's definitely the furthest distance although lake city isn't far off route too.

    Mountain towns are weird. I never plan on getting anything late at night although I think Frisco probably has 24 hour gas station at least. Maybe someone who raced last year can confirm that.

    Also the Tarryall detour in the guidebook is just incomplete if I remember right. They just stop the directions around mile 50 even though that's not the end.
    There's a wall mart in frisco that is open 24hrs i belive.... Its pertty much right on the route maybe a few block off.... also Pancho springs isn't far off the route and theres a gas station and another wall mart between there and silida....
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    So jealous....

    So yeah there ain't much between Buena Vista and Lake city, a detour into Poncha Springs on Hwy 50, but not much there either, and this stretch is perhaps the hardest, tough trail conditions, not too many other folks and miles and miles of riding and walking, very slow at times. Lake city has a good bit of stuff if you get there early in the evening, but plan on everything being closed down late or in the morning, same for Silverton, not much there either except bars. From Silverton to D-town is only like 73 miles, but this crushed me last year, and again nothing till you get to durango. So my advice, eat lots early in the race and resupply often, frisco, copper, leadville, buena vista, stock up till Lake city, or if you can make it to Silverton, I couldn't carry enough to get there personally, it is a long haul. Also there trail is so tough between Hwy 50 and Cotchetopa park/Los Pinos Pass that be prepared to give yourself a pick me up, a cup of coffee, shot of bourbon, something as I was ready to head north and go home a few times through there, it is heart breakingly slow. So yeah just a few ideas good luck Y'all Jefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    1. How far into the race is Frisco and are their descent supplies there? I'm trying to figure out if I need food for one or 2 days of riding. I'm hoping to time Tarryall and score a meal there.
    Frisco is at about 150 miles and 17k of gain in. First racers were there last year in around 24 hours, longer for others. Wish I knew more details for Tarryall, but it was all closed up when I rode through.

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    2. What is the longest stretch between supply stops, where, and how long?
    Looks like others have given you good feedback here. If you don't ride off-route, the longest stretch is easily B.V. to Silverton. 200 miles and 22k of gain. There are some sloooow miles in there too. I thought I had enough food for that stretch, but after 48 hours, I ended up detouring the 3 miles into Lake City.

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    3. Please clarify, we DON'T go by the Official Guidebook directions for the Tarryall detour but instead go by the directions that are linked on the CTR website correct? All other mandatory detours we follow the guidebook?
    We do follow the official guidebook directions for the Tarryall detour. They were incompletely printed in the 7th edition, but I believe it has been revised. There is a link to the description from the CTR webpage, or click here.

    We do not start the La Garita detour as described in the guidebook, but instead continue on the CT beyond Cochetopa Pass for an extra 10 or so miles of scenic meadow riding. Then, the CTR turns right on Saguache Park Rd. and reconnects with the La Garita Detour described in the guidebook.

    Any more route questions? Keep 'em coming. We'll go through the whole route at the pre-race meeting too.
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    Stefan...is the pre-race meeting location determined yet?

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    We the people ... Pre-race Meeting!

    Let's follow nepbug's excellent suggestion, and have the pre-race meeting at 9:30 AM at Heidi's Brooklyn Deli on the corner of Rampart Range Rd. and Waterton Rd.

    The meeting is not mandatory, but will be a good chance to meet the other racers and clarify any other details before the noon start.
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    Howdy

    I was just wondering what everyone does to prepare for this kind of race...other than alot of riding, which I am doing. I am interested, as I had to compare doing triathlons or just getting more use out of the bike I just got. Good thing I went with getting more off the road.

    Anyways, preparation before the race and what you bring with on the bike, other fun and useful tips.

    Thanks.

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    Howdy...Just wondering how you guys prepare for these races...other than lots of miles on the bike. Just looking into the details before and during the race and all that goes through it.

    Looking to do one of these races, specifically the colorado one soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter05
    Howdy...Just wondering how you guys prepare for these races...other than lots of miles on the bike. Just looking into the details before and during the race and all that goes through it.

    Looking to do one of these races, specifically the colorado one soon.
    Huge, huge topic, start with the CTR link, drill down through all the CTR and other "multi-day & self-supported" threads, then start preping & experimenting in the areas you personaly feel you need to work on....

    Depending on your background, perhaps doing the CTR in 09 might be a reasonable goal, but unless you are 'pulling a leg' with your 'where do I start' question, attempting it in 08 would be way more than just difficult
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter05
    Howdy...Just wondering how you guys prepare for these races...other than lots of miles on the bike. Just looking into the details before and during the race and all that goes through it.

    Looking to do one of these races, specifically the colorado one soon.
    I`m wondering the same. A little on the job training, show up for the race and give it a go. That is the best "training". Pick some brains on the trail. Check out the gear, bikes and where you end up ded. I went about half way, best training ever.
    My approach on my second try is much more relaxed, This is a mix between a race and a vacation. Other then dropping in on a few resort towns, spending a week on the Colorado Trail is more then a ride. That`s what keeps me interested. If I had no hours in the saddle I would still show up.
    I will be "racing" this year, but I don`t know what or who against. Each rider has a distinct personality pertaining to this ride.
    Jefe, Stefan, veteran GLR riders just what we expected. Ethan, when more people like him show up with more experience , the bar might be raised, a "just show upper" for sure. Jason, nice write up in that magazine, thanks. Your nap in the beginning and dealing with pain late was a smart race? I was most impressed by Jasons ride b/c he passed me on the "3rd' day and got to BV that day when I barely made Leadville. 18 hours from Silverton to the finish, dang. Fred, "Steady Freddy" nuf said.
    Matthew, thanks for doing a recovery ride and being slow enough to cat and mouse we me. Hilarious, a mover and a shaker. Relaxed.
    Mark probably had the best "vacation"b/c he was out there the longest. Best training ride.
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    Jim, my neighbor, let`s get some riding in soon. Finished a bike build the night before the race, he better show up again.
    This is one of those times when I remember everything and everyone vividly, that should put some perspective on it.

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    Yeah, I pretty much read all the blogs, threads, articles I could get my hands on. Looked at all the pictures of all the different gear as well as read up on some of the lightweight backpacking sites. From there I started to test gear on overnighters (I live in Austin, so it wasn't like I was way out in the middle of nowhere) just riding all the trails all day and camping in the woods at night. I learned pretty quick what would work, what wouldn't and things I needed to work on, as well as things I'd thought I'd need/want but then realized I was tired of carrying it around (like a small book to read at night).
    Training wise for me has been just getting on the bike. Luckily for me the wife and I spent 3 weeks in France bicycle touring in June (tough life huh ) and since then I've been getting up before dawn to get out and get about 4 hours on the bike and a couple more in the evening fully loaded to get my body (and knees) adjusted to the weight. It's been a process for me for sure but I've loved every minute of it.
    The only thing that makes me nervous about the CTR is running low on food and lightening. I went to the store yesterday and LOADED pretty much all my extra space with food. I know I won't need that much at the beginning of the trail, but if I don't use it then I'll have it for later. The stories of all these riders going hungry...screw that, I'll take an extra 4 pounds of food no problem.
    I've also found that many people are very helpful when asking them questions. Matt Lee, Jaston Trimm, Chris Plesko, etc...these guys have really gone out of thier way to help me with my questions/concerns. I'll be happy to share my "limited" knowledge to anyone who asks (God help them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbluedodge
    I'm a nc cat from the town of ash-vegas but now am located in denver. Am unable to do the race when you all start but am gonna do my own tt on the CT starting on June 28. Rolling it with the fixie, will see how it all works out. The time is near. peace. e

    Did you make it? Are you still out there? Please share your adventure with us.

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    June 28th would have been tough to make it. There is still mucho snow in a few spots.

    I ran into Mike Brown the other day. He was touring and seemed to be loving life out on the trail. We were coming down from Mt.Elbert and he was pushing up the hill. We chatted for a bit and then he continued on to BV. Really fun to meet him by chance out on the trail and he said all was good except that he had skipped Searl pass so far.

    3 weeks to go! It's hot and melting snow fast up high but still freezing up there at night.
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    I guess I better offer up some floor space for any racers coming in from a great distance. As long as you not a big lump on the couch for too long. We live about an hour from the start line and just ten minutes from some great scouting missions on the C.T. around Frisco, drop me a P.M.

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    C.T. Trail Conditions - Segment #15

    Just returned from some great training on the C.T. this week. Rode north from Shavano campground Monday (Segment #14) and loved the trail. We were hit with a pretty good storm so we opted to return to camp. The trail was is good shape and decent riding.

    Tuesday we left Shavano campground and headed south on Segment #15. Our plan was to reach Marshall Pass. The trail was is good condition until about 11,000 feet when we started hitting snow and the trail was pretty sloppy. We slogged on till about 300 feet from tree line then decided to turn back. We were planning on driving on to Sargents Mesa but the rain continued so we headed back home.

    Here are some pics of the trail around 11,000 feet.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the snow as it is melting pretty quick. Most of the snow I have been encountering in the San Juans in on the north side of the mountain, in tree line. Once you bust out above tree line, the snow is mostly gone with the exception of snow fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    June 28th would have been tough to make it. There is still mucho snow in a few spots.

    I ran into Mike Brown the other day. He was touring and seemed to be loving life out on the trail. We were coming down from Mt.Elbert and he was pushing up the hill. We chatted for a bit and then he continued on to BV. Really fun to meet him by chance out on the trail and he said all was good except that he had skipped Searl pass so far.

    3 weeks to go! It's hot and melting snow fast up high but still freezing up there at night.
    I was wondering if he had made it out there. I wonder if he decided to use the hammock that he took an interest in. I just got done making my super lightweight hammock for this race. It's MUCH lighter than any hammock I've ever used.

    I'm so jealous of all the riders that get to actually pre-ride sections of the trail. Not really because it gives you an advantage (which, obviously it does) but because you get to ride the trail period. It's so hot right now in Austin. The next 5 days are predicted to be 100 degrees with high humidity.

    Anyone going to use a SPOT for this race?

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    Mike definitely had the hammock and was singing it's praises during our chat.

    I will have my SPOT on for the race. Wife and family almost require I bring it after my divide trip.

    BTW it's not much cooler here in D-town. It's been in the 90s lately but at least the humidity is low!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Mike definitely had the hammock and was singing it's praises during our chat.

    I will have my SPOT on for the race. Wife and family almost require I bring it after my divide trip.

    BTW it's not much cooler here in D-town. It's been in the 90s lately but at least the humidity is low!
    I'm telling you all, a hammock is where it's at. The only issue is that it is SO comfortable that you won't want to get out of it to ride. When in France a few weeks ago the wife and I took a day off. I laid in my hammock for almost 14 hours straight. I've never even laid in my bed for that long!

    My local shop is trying to hook me up with a SPOT. I had fun following your wife's updates about your ride. My wife will be up in CO with the laptop doing the same thing.

    I don't want to hear about heat. If anything lie to me, but don't tell me it's hot up there.

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    It is soooo cold

    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    I'm telling you all, a hammock is where it's at. The only issue is that it is SO comfortable that you won't want to get out of it to ride. When in France a few weeks ago the wife and I took a day off. I laid in my hammock for almost 14 hours straight. I've never even laid in my bed for that long!

    My local shop is trying to hook me up with a SPOT. I had fun following your wife's updates about your ride. My wife will be up in CO with the laptop doing the same thing.

    I don't want to hear about heat. If anything lie to me, but don't tell me it's hot up there.
    You are going to freeeeze all the time & will wish you were back in Austin. Also it is so cold you will surely freeze when you try to sleep in your un-insulated hammock, at least above 10k, feeling cooler now??

    Actually I expect “back and forth” between ‘hot’ on the sunny climbs and during parts of the day and sections of the trail vs ‘cold to freezing cold’ during the rain, mornings and windy high elevation sections.

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    OK. I'm wondering about something here. It's now July 11. There are many sections of the CT that are still very muddy and wet. While probably a lot of that will be dry by the end of the month some of it may not. I was up near Searle Pass a couple days ago and there is still a fair amount of snow and water is just oozing out of the ground.

    What are the implications of holding a race, even if it is a "bandit" race with comparatively few racers on wet and muddy sections of the CT? Has anyone involved considered alternatives if using the trail will add to damage, etc?

    Just curious. If this was a permitted race, it would undoubtedly be an issue with the FS and the CT foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    OK. I'm wondering about something here. It's now July 11. There are many sections of the CT that are still very muddy and wet. While probably a lot of that will be dry by the end of the month some of it may not. I was up near Searle Pass a couple days ago and there is still a fair amount of snow and water is just oozing out of the ground.

    What are the implications of holding a race, even if it is a "bandit" race with comparatively few racers on wet and muddy sections of the CT? Has anyone involved considered alternatives if using the trail will add to damage, etc?

    Just curious. If this was a permitted race, it would undoubtedly be an issue with the FS and the CT foundation.
    I defiantly have an issue with this. I can`t think of any alternatives, just not doing it. This was a huge snow year and freezing every night still. Those picture Kyle just posted are revealing. I have a rule as a local, when the trail is soggy, I stay off it. One thing would stop me from doing this race and that is constant rain. I carry my bike way more then most people and will do so even when the bike is loaded. You are right to chime in on this. Lets maybe go do laps around white rim as an alternative.

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    Oh boy...I didn't mean to start a debate regarding trail conditions with the few pictures I posted. PLEASE keep in mind that the section I stopped at that was pretty sloppy was around 1/2 mile (maybe 3/4 mile at most) long. The remainder of the trail below (and most likely above tree line) were in great condition. The percentage of trail that is still wet and snowy is pretty small. I am guessing less than 1%??

    I have been racing for years in the Colorado area (Mountain Biking, adventure, and ultrarunning) and I don't think having a solo self-supported time trial ride is going to greatly impact the trail if we employ good trail riding / walking technique in the sensitive areas. If you look at a race like Hardrock 100 (which started yesterday) and has 150 racers all on foot in the high country, the forest service allowed the race to start. I ran the San Juan Solstice 50 miler a few weeks ago and it travels all around Lake City with 12K of gain and the trail conditions were great. We started around 9000 ft and ran along the divide (13,000 ft) for many miles. Up and down we traveled through the different elevations and the snow pack and trail conditions were in good shape. Even though there was a huge snow pack this year, it has melted fast and the trail conditions are pretty typical for this time of year. How many MTB races are being canceled due to wet trail conditions? I don't know of any.

    I think there could always be an argument for any type of travel on trails when the conditions are sloppy. Hikers, bikers, and equestrian riders need walk softly and carefully when traveling in these conditions. We need to be sensitive of the issues and be aware that these trails are multi-use trails (in most areas) and appreciate our access.

    In my opinion, the trails are in good shape and will continue to improve over the next few weeks. The warm temperatures this week are really helping with drying. There are 9 or so people starting this ride so the overall impact will be very small, especially when we all employ good trail etiquette in the sensitive areas.

    I think this is good discussion and allows an opportunity to reinforce the importance of MTB access and travel in the back country.

    Here are a few pics of what MOST of the trail was like.

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    Nice Kyle, I have been 8000 miles away for three weeks and today for a few minutes I was 233 meters below sea level. Not the best acclimatization. Been jonsing for the trail and your news in encouraging.
    This is still an issue we need to consider for the good of the sport. If it is raining cats and dogs we would be praised as heros for calling it off. With closure of some parts still on the table we need to do our part in being good diplomats.
    I`m open for a different start date. Another aspect of the unsupported theme is being able to switch dates, that sounds obscure, but this race might need such a twist.

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    I suppose I did intent to start if not a debate, at least a discussion about how to deal with the issue. It's certainly true that the CTR isn't a big race with hundreds of riders but due to the chatter that it generates here on MTBR and probably other media, it has a certain amount of visibility and the topic should at least be discussed.
    I'm involved with the mountain bike group group that is an adopter of a CT section (North Fork of the Swan to Horseshoe Gulch which is nice and dry BTW) and I also help out with the Copper Mountain to Kokomo Pass section which is definitely not dry and might still be snowy and wet by the end of the month (But maybe not, it might be nice and dry by then) so I do have something of a stake.
    I do think that if an underground race where held during conditions and areas that most of us would turn around or avoid to avoid doing damage to the trail, it could very well attract extra attention from the FS which I do know is uneasy about the whole underground race thing. They are uneasy maybe not so much because of the actual impacts, but from the perception that mountian bikers will race no matter what and don't care about their impacts and the attention that a race like that attracts which might not be much compared to mainstream racing (such as it is) but none the less quite a few folks do follow in the net. Plus, of course thy are a bureaucracy and bureaucracies don't like having their rules bypasses, but that's another topic)
    I reckon' this is an issue that is lurking under the surface of all underground racing - not that it isn't also an issue with above ground racing, but in a mainstream race, there is at least in theory, supposed to be a process in which issues like trail sustainability, bad weather alternatives and so forth are addressed. that's not to say participants and organizers of underground races can't deal with those issues as well or maybe even better than their counterparts in the race scene (maybe this has already happened, I'm not that big a follower of the scene) but personally for the good of the sport and the trails, the subject should be on the table.

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    Think about it this way……….

    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I suppose I did intent to start if not a debate, at least a discussion about how to deal with the issue. It's certainly true that the CTR isn't a big race with hundreds of riders but due to the chatter that it generates here on MTBR and probably other media, it has a certain amount of visibility and the topic should at least be discussed.
    I'm involved with the mountain bike group group that is an adopter of a CT section (North Fork of the Swan to Horseshoe Gulch which is nice and dry BTW) and I also help out with the Copper Mountain to Kokomo Pass section which is definitely not dry and might still be snowy and wet by the end of the month (But maybe not, it might be nice and dry by then) so I do have something of a stake.
    I do think that if an underground race where held during conditions and areas that most of us would turn around or avoid to avoid doing damage to the trail, it could very well attract extra attention from the FS which I do know is uneasy about the whole underground race thing. They are uneasy maybe not so much because of the actual impacts, but from the perception that mountian bikers will race no matter what and don't care about their impacts and the attention that a race like that attracts which might not be much compared to mainstream racing (such as it is) but none the less quite a few folks do follow in the net. Plus, of course thy are a bureaucracy and bureaucracies don't like having their rules bypasses, but that's another topic)
    I reckon' this is an issue that is lurking under the surface of all underground racing - not that it isn't also an issue with above ground racing, but in a mainstream race, there is at least in theory, supposed to be a process in which issues like trail sustainability, bad weather alternatives and so forth are addressed. that's not to say participants and organizers of underground races can't deal with those issues as well or maybe even better than their counterparts in the race scene (maybe this has already happened, I'm not that big a follower of the scene) but personally for the good of the sport and the trails, the subject should be on the table.
    Start here---Define ‘impact’ in purely physical terms ie: it could be independently measured and quantified

    Now take the total measured ‘impact’ of the handful of riders that will start the CTR, multiply by say, oh 100

    Now take that artificially magnified impact and compare it to the actual measurable impact of all the other CT users over the same time period

    The CTR impact will completely disappear into the background impact of overall trail use.

    In other words ‘relatively speaking’ there is Zero impact in physical terms, under any given conditions!

    So yes, I agree with you, what you are really talking about is ‘perceived impact’ but I do not see how you could ever satisfy all the personal/individual “perceptions” of impact just by changing the ‘start’ time that a handful of riders choose to use this or any other 500 mile trail.

    Finish here---Some will object to the idea of a CTR no matter what. ‘Impact’ is just one way to “rationalize” that objection.
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    I have decided to ITT the route starting tomorrow morning 6am. I am thinking of doing the Paul Hooge route instead- Hwy 285 and sections 22 and 23 (w/The Cataract Ridge reroute). I believe this route to be the best balance of ST and detours.

    If anyone wants to join for any sections call me. I would enjoy the company. Planning on 7 days so finishing next Sunday afternoon hopefully.

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    Sure, I'll just drive up and start . Seriously, just like with any race changing the date would be bad, bad, bad. Even this small of a race. I'll be starting on July 28th at noon even if it's by myself. I have a small window of time to get this race done before I have to be back to work. I'm really looking forward to putting some faces to some names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    Sure, I'll just drive up and start . Seriously, just like with any race changing the date would be bad, bad, bad. Even this small of a race. I'll be starting on July 28th at noon even if it's by myself. I have a small window of time to get this race done before I have to be back to work. I'm really looking forward to putting some faces to some names.
    Not sure what you are talking about. CTR date is pretty set in stone IMO. I bet you see at least 8-10 people start it July 28.

    I have decided to go out on my own since I am not riding Stefan's route. I will post back in a few days with a ride report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    What are the implications of holding a race, even if it is a "bandit" race with comparatively few racers on wet and muddy sections of the CT? Has anyone involved considered alternatives if using the trail will add to damage, etc?
    I’m glad to hear that you are an adopter of a section of the CT! That is admirable, and I personally encourage everyone (not just CTR riders) to volunteer or donate to the CT Foundation.

    However, calling the CTR a “bandit” race is an absolute injustice. It is an individual, solo, self-supported time trial. No entry fee, no permit, very few riders – completely legitimate within USFS guidelines, and with a tremendous emphasis on personal responsibility. Something, I might add, that is seriously lacking in American society nowadays. No “banditry” about it.

    All riders of the CTR understand that they are exactly the same as any other trail user. They will follow established rules and guidelines for using the CT just like everybody else. As bikers, we all know that this most notably includes yielding to equestrians and pedestrians, as well as all uphill traffic on the trail. Courtesy is of utmost importance! Other “treading lightly” suggestions are to avoid skidding and to dismount and walk through muddy areas. I have been unable to find any biking-specific trail use guidelines on the USFS website, but this and more info on biking etiquette can be found on the CT Foundation’s biking page. Practically speaking this is no different than yourself and a few of your buddies going for a ride together. Albeit, a typical CTRer may end up getting far fewer hours of sleep…

    It is inevitable that anyone on the CT for 5+ days straight will encounter rain or hail, and thus potentially wet or muddy trail conditions. As far as I know, there are no rules or regulations prohibiting travel on the trail when it is muddy or wet - please correct me if I am wrong. In those situations, common courtesy dictates staying on the trail and getting muddy. Does this damage the trail in any permanent way? That is a question that has been discussed and studied myriad times, and as trail717 mentions, completely depends on your “perception” of impact. So, to answer your question, I personally think the implication is that, no matter how we idealize anyone’s trail etiquette, ultimately, every individual decides for themselves whether to continue or not in any given set of conditions - CTR rider or not.

    During last year’s CTR, it rained 4 out of the 5 days I was on the trail. We rode through a lot of wet and muddy stuff, and I would challenge anyone to find any trace of our passing just a few short days later. I’m fairly certain that the only permanent damage occurred to my bike's drivetrain!

    As mentioned numerous times already, the CTR amounts to 10 or so riders stretched over 530 miles. This is barely a drop in the bucket of users on the CT for any given week in the summer.

    I am not promoting poor trail ethics, and I’m not trying to sound arrogant or condescending; it’s just that I whole-heartedly believe that this is a non-issue. Thousands of people use the CT daily, and I know that anyone attempting a solo, completely self-supported traverse of the CT has a greater sense of personal responsibility than the vast majority of the other 1000 trail users. From littering, to being courteous to others, to evaluating risks, to sticking to the muddy trail instead of trampling vegetation and creating “new” trails – solo, self-supported racing has evolved, and continues to evolve, based on a strict honor code.

    I’ll take anyone’s bet, hands down, that CTRers (or GLRers or AZTers or GDRers or TDers or …ers) are some of the most conscientious trail users out there on any day of the week.

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    Just curious. If this was a permitted race, it would undoubtedly be an issue with the FS and the CT foundation.
    Perhaps “undoubtedly” is too strong a word? Think about the Firecracker 50. Some very muddy spots on that race and almost 1000 racers! Talk about impact. And the upcoming Breck 100? There’s bound to be mud and snow there. Part of it is even on the CT, and I’ve heard zero objections from the FS or the CTF. I invite any feedback from FS employees or CTF volunteers on this very issue. In some ways, it almost appears that having a race justifies the impact! Geeez, in my mind, that is appalling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dream4est
    I have decided to ITT the route starting tomorrow morning 6am. I am thinking of doing the Paul Hooge route instead- Hwy 285 and sections 22 and 23 (w/The Cataract Ridge reroute). I believe this route to be the best balance of ST and detours.
    Good luck out there, Mark! Hope you have a great time, and I can't wait to hear (from my armchair) how your ITT goes!
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    Nicely said Stefan G, my thoughts exactly.

    I think that as a species we have far greater issues to deal with than up to 15 people potentially creating tire/shoe prints in the mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Good luck out there, Mark! Hope you have a great time, and I can't wait to hear (from my armchair) how your ITT goes!
    Thanks. It was you who led me down this path. First putting on the CTR 2007 and then pointing out to me that other routes are possible for touring/ITT. I will take some cheesy phone pix and enjoy the ride/people I meet as much as possible.

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    So yeah just adding my 2 cents here. Last year it was wet, raining almost everyday and all, and I got to say almost all the areas the trail travels through seemed to deal quite well with the rain, in fact the worst areas were around Copper mt, where horses had made a big mess of the trail and a few roads where the few mtbers were the least effective in creating permanent damage. I agree we as riders in these underground events need to be super diligent in our use of public lands and how the rest of the public sees us using it, ie talking to folks not racing by them!!! So stay on the trail, be kind to hikers and horses and such, and what else could anyone ask for? Ok volunteer for a trail work day. I have been giving back to the CT as much as I can, doing trail work. The CT has made my life so much richer, I've hiked it a few times and biked all over it, I owe it to that series of places. Ok enough of me, be good, Jefe

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    Where is a good place to camp outside of Denver and semi-close to the race start?
    Thanks.

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    I have a great yard as well. I suppose the front rangers dont know of any camping either so close to home. The parking lot at the end of sec. 1 has car camping. I got a ride home from there after a long day all the way from keystone gulch doing the southern detour.
    On another topic does anyone have a spot. I`ll pay the shipping both ways and some of the initial cost of the stupid thing. I think it will give me huge motivation and give the rest of ewe some entertainment value.
    I want to leave my gps and phone at home but family objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    Where is a good place to camp outside of Denver and semi-close to the race start?
    You could camp at Chatfield:
    http://parks.state.co.us/Parks/Chatfield/Camping/

    It's definitely the closest but probably not the most secluded.

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    SPOT + CTR possibility

    There is a possibility that SPOT units used for the TD could be made available for CTRers if they wish. Carrying one would not be required, but for racers (and/or racer's families!) wanting one, the option could potentially be put in place.

    I'm tentatively putting this out there to see what people intending to ride the CTR think about the idea. Post up, PM or email me!

    As for an '08 roster, there look to be about 10 Fo' shizzles, a couple Prolly's, and quite a few rumours... I do not intend on posting an "official" roster until the afternoon of 7/28 when the prolly's and rumours are no more! However, if you do want to use a SPOT tracker, I would definitely need your contact info in advance to get things lined up.
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    Stefan, check your pm's. The wife and I are kind of just wanting to camp out and I'm meeting my parents the day before the race to hang out and camp. I'd like to be within an hour drive of the start.

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    I also have my own Spot. Let me know if I need to provide the numbers if using the tracking becomes a reality. Other wise it will be for my family/friends to keep track of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soloracer
    I also have my own Spot. Let me know if I need to provide the numbers if using the tracking becomes a reality. Other wise it will be for my family/friends to keep track of me.

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    I just ran across this forum (not sure how I missed) and wanted to say thanks for all the posts. Helpful and inspiring indeed. And to ride the trail in less then 7 days is impressive. Nice work!! I'm hitting the trail this weekend with the aim of rolling the 500 at a leisurely pace...12 days or so. Good luck with this years edition of the CTR.

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    I have my own SPOT and don't mind it being used on a map/tracker page during the CTR.
    Same here Stefan.

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    Same here Stefan.
    Wow, I think this is gonna be easy...
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    Anyone have any better luck finding a hotel room in Durango? My wife will be watching the SPOT and heading down when I'm near the end. We haven't found anything that lets dogs stay there and is below $180 a night.

    It's been a few years since I was in Durango but I KNOW I didn't throw that much loot down on a room.

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    Ladies and Gents,

    Because I'm so nice, I've done my best at creating a CTR GPX track with detours for your viewing pleasure. It exists unmoddifed and also pre-split into 500 point increments. If you would like to have a copy, please email me DIRECTLY, and I'll email it to you. If anyone who already got it this evening finds any problems/bugs, let me know and I'll try to fix it. It downloaded to my Garmin ETrex Vista HCx just fine and *looks* right but that's all I have to test with.

    Stefan if you would like to put it on the CTR website that's cool with me.

    Please note: I cannot promise that this is the 100% correct route, I haven't ridden all of it and that's the only way to really get a 100% GPS track. I've done my best and spent quite a lot of time on it comparing it to another couple sources but it's still a guide. Do not plan on this being your only method of navigation. Use your CT Guidebook and maps for navigational decision making.

    P.S. My lovely wife has also typed up the detours from the 7th Edition guidebook in a Word document. If you have already PURCHASED the guidebook and would like a copy of the detours, please email me with the last word on page 149 and I'll send you the file. Electronic recreation is only for those who own the book as I don't want to violate any copyrights. Frankly we all have better things to do than retype words out of a book or waste time and money at Kinkos so I thought I'd share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverfever
    Anyone have any better luck finding a hotel room in Durango? My wife will be watching the SPOT and heading down when I'm near the end. We haven't found anything that lets dogs stay there and is below $180 a night.

    It's been a few years since I was in Durango but I KNOW I didn't throw that much loot down on a room.
    I didn't get that far yet but if you find something let us know. My wife will probably be lugging our pup down to pick me up as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    I didn't get that far yet but if you find something let us know. My wife will probably be lugging our pup down to pick me up as well.
    No sweat Chris. Even the Comfort Inn gets 180 a night. Need to change the name to Super Comfort Inn. Right now we're looking at KOA's. There is one of those in Durango that either has tent sites or the really small cabins. Cabins are right at 50 a night and they say they allow dogs. We're gonna call them in the a.m. They even have a pool so I could hang out in my Speedo and drink beer when we're done with this little shin dig.

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    Sounds to me like there needs to be a wive's support group during these things. My wife will be driving around camping/riding/playing with our dog during the race and meeting me in Durango as well. I imagine we'll be camping though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Ladies and Gents,

    Because I'm so nice, I've done my best at creating a CTR GPX track with detours for your viewing pleasure. It exists unmoddifed and also pre-split into 500 point increments. If you would like to have a copy, please email me DIRECTLY, and I'll email it to you. If anyone who already got it this evening finds any problems/bugs, let me know and I'll try to fix it. It downloaded to my Garmin ETrex Vista HCx just fine and *looks* right but that's all I have to test with.

    Stefan if you would like to put it on the CTR website that's cool with me.

    Please note: I cannot promise that this is the 100% correct route, I haven't ridden all of it and that's the only way to really get a 100% GPS track. I've done my best and spent quite a lot of time on it comparing it to another couple sources but it's still a guide. Do not plan on this being your only method of navigation. Use your CT Guidebook and maps for navigational decision making.

    P.S. My lovely wife has also typed up the detours from the 7th Edition guidebook in a Word document. If you have already PURCHASED the guidebook and would like a copy of the detours, please email me with the last word on page 149 and I'll send you the file. Electronic recreation is only for those who own the book as I don't want to violate any copyrights. Frankly we all have better things to do than retype words out of a book or waste time and money at Kinkos so I thought I'd share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trail717
    Aaa, I was just going to follow the tire tracks, you know, go light weight and all
    light is right! Haha. Check yo inbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    light is right! Haha. Check yo inbox.
    I'd like to know if you have all possible ice cream destinations within a 43 mile radius along the route marked as Waypoints?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverfever
    Anyone have any better luck finding a hotel room in Durango? My wife will be watching the SPOT and heading down when I'm near the end. We haven't found anything that lets dogs stay there and is below $180 a night.

    It's been a few years since I was in Durango but I KNOW I didn't throw that much loot down on a room.
    OK, this is kinda cheesy, but I got married in Durango and put together a "lodging" page for people that were coming in from all over. It's 3 years old now, but maybe it'll help... Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverfever
    I'd like to know if you have all possible ice cream destinations within a 43 mile radius along the route marked as Waypoints?
    Of course, just for you! Haha.
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    Good job! Thanks Chris!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Stefan if you would like to put it on the CTR website that's cool with me.

    Please note: I cannot promise that this is the 100% correct route, I haven't ridden all of it and that's the only way to really get a 100% GPS track. I've done my best and spent quite a lot of time on it comparing it to another couple sources but it's still a guide. Do not plan on this being your only method of navigation. Use your CT Guidebook and maps for navigational decision making.
    The GPX files are now available on the CTR website!
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    Hey Stefan, did you get my pm?

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    While I will now be out of town for the start (dang it, I wanted to photo the start and do the first couple miles with everyone) I can offer up my yard for people to camp. I'm a 15-20 minute drive to the start or a 45 minute bike. I'm in Morrison.

    As stated before Chatfield State Park has camping right there.

    I also believe that if you get past Lenny's Rest (~8 miles in on CT) you can camp anywhere. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

    One other place is Bear Creek Lake Park. They also have camping comparable to the Chatfield camping. It's right by my house so driving and biking times are similar.
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    I`m out. A finger/hand injury 10 days ago was feeling pretty good until I rode the mtb for the first time in 3 weeks, huge pain and swelling again, time for an x-ray, I read recovery could be months. It has been a tough training year with snow and with 2 major vacations I never felt too good about the year. Now this injury tells me it just wasnt meant to be.. I`ll join wookie on the DL and hope for an 09 start. A long shot to do an ITT in the fall, but the season was pretty much non-existant for me and I`m off the bike again.
    I may surprise a few of you on the trail just to say hello. Happy trails and good luck out there, Dan.

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    Spot still available for CTR?

    Hi Stefan,

    Trish Stevenson from Asheville NC checking in....i'm computer illiterate..just so you know you also have a post from me on another thread. Hope i can manage to navigate better on the bike in CO.Anyhow, i might be interested in carrying a Spot if one is available.Should be at Heidi's Deli at 9:30am.Looking forward to some amazing Colorado views not to mention singletrack.We'll meet up soon
    cheers,
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by TLSRIDE
    Hi Stefan,

    Trish Stevenson from Asheville NC checking in....i'm computer illiterate..just so you know you also have a post from me on another thread. Hope i can manage to navigate better on the bike in CO.Anyhow, i might be interested in carrying a Spot if one is available.Should be at Heidi's Deli at 9:30am.Looking forward to some amazing Colorado views not to mention singletrack.We'll meet up soon
    cheers,
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    hey yall

    gonna giver another go this year! See yall at prerace dealo!

    Might hose me for the on Pbville 100.

    But right now itching to rock it on this route!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLSRIDE
    Hi Stefan,

    Trish Stevenson from Asheville NC checking in....i'm computer illiterate..just so you know you also have a post from me on another thread. Hope i can manage to navigate better on the bike in CO.Anyhow, i might be interested in carrying a Spot if one is available.Should be at Heidi's Deli at 9:30am.Looking forward to some amazing Colorado views not to mention singletrack.We'll meet up soon
    cheers,
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    i thought i posted this a couple days ago but i see now it never showed up on here: i have a spot that anyone is welcome to use for this ride if they want me to send it to them. just PM me if you're interested. at this point i probably wouldn't be able to ship it out until monday but that should still be enough time to get somewhere by thursday or friday.

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    Smile SPOT On!

    Looks like the SPOT option will be there for any who are interested, and there seems to be quite a bit of interest! Joe Polk of MTBcast has once again offered use of his toll-free # for call-ins, and he will also host a map of the riders on his site as well. This is gonna be great fun to follow along! Use of a SPOT unit is, of course, completely voluntary and up to each rider's preference.

    I'm rounding some up now, and having them mailed to me. I plan on handing them out at the pre-race meeting, so if you do want one, please show up for that. No guarantees there will be enough to go around either, but I'll do what I can.

    AFAIK, there are looking to be about 12 CTRers this year - 2 of which are female!!

    I also meant to say that it will be each rider's responsibility to mail their borrowed SPOT unit back to its original owner!
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    Anyone rolling through Silverthorne (mm 205 on I-70 west of Denver) with room for one to the start? I could provide lodging the night before (or more if you want some high altitude time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Ladies and Gents,

    Because I'm so nice, I've done my best at creating a CTR GPX track with detours for your viewing pleasure. It exists unmoddifed and also pre-split into 500 point increments. If you would like to have a copy, please email me DIRECTLY, and I'll email it to you. If anyone who already got it this evening finds any problems/bugs, let me know and I'll try to fix it. It downloaded to my Garmin ETrex Vista HCx just fine and *looks* right but that's all I have to test with.
    are.
    I have gps'd the CT three times on foot using professional grade (Trimble & Thales) gps equipment. (Plus twice on a bike) The last time I did this was last summer, so everything is 100% up to date. (I ran into a few of the racers while I was doing it.) This data is used in the 7th edition guidebook, the new 2008 mapbook, and the waypoints are for sale on my website for $11 at: www.bearcreeksurvey.com. Take the link called Waypoints. These waypoints include all of the critical intersections on the bike routes around wilderness areas. The eleven bucks goes to help maintain the website where the data is found. The data is in GPX, Garmin, and Magellan formats, and can be converted to almost any other.

    The 7th edition guidebook has been revised this year to reflect several major changes in the trail. This new book will probably not be available until early August.

    I am also the co-author of a new book of maps covering the entire trail, including bike detours that is for sale by The Colorado Trail Foundation. You can get the book at www.coloradotrail.org. All proceeds from this book go to help finance The Colorado Trail. (nothing to me - I have donated it)

    I would encourage everyone to get the official data instead of passing around a bunch of digitized and possibly incorrect information. Supporting The Colorado Trail Foundation helps assure that users such as yourselves will always have access to reliable, accurate, and timely information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bearcreek
    I would encourage everyone to get the official data instead of passing around a bunch of digitized and possibly incorrect information. Supporting The Colorado Trail Foundation helps assure that users such as yourselves will always have access to reliable, accurate, and timely information.
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    Jerry,

    Thanks for the note. Getting correct data is important but well, this is correct data. The CT points come from the 7th edition and as far as I can tell the newest changes this year to the trail don't have much effect on our route. The bigger challenge is digitally drawing in our mandatory detours. Luckily that's been tackled by a couple people independently and I think we're set. I know I spent a LOT of time with that. The main issue with the disclaimers is that we want people to buy the guidebook and maps, not just load up a GPS track and try to navigate by that alone.

    I encourage everyone to support the CTF just as Stefan does. I've paid my dues with trail work and $$$ this year so hopefully that's good karma! And I'm sure I'll purchase the Bear Creek data in the future when I need the updated info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Jerry,

    Thanks for the note. Getting correct data is important but well, this is correct data. The CT points come from the 7th edition and as far as I can tell the newest changes this year to the trail don't have much effect on our route. The bigger challenge is digitally drawing in our mandatory detours. Luckily that's been tackled by a couple people independently and I think we're set. I know I spent a LOT of time with that. The main issue with the disclaimers is that we want people to buy the guidebook and maps, not just load up a GPS track and try to navigate by that alone.

    I encourage everyone to support the CTF just as Stefan does. I've paid my dues with trail work and $$$ this year so hopefully that's good karma! And I'm sure I'll purchase the Bear Creek data in the future when I need the updated info.
    I've also bought both the guidebook and the trail side data book for this race and will be carrying it with me as well as the track that fellow riders have provided. I think with all of these tings I should be good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearcreek
    Hi Jerry-

    You, indeed, have set a tremendous example for supporting the CTF and donating an inordinate amount of time GPS'ing and developing maps for the CT! My only hope of matching your generosity is by continuing to support the CTF and encouraging others to do so as well.

    The googleearth file was something I actually created from your data points before last year's race! In fact, I have had a link to your website from mine since I first posted the .kml file. At that time, you had them published on your website free of charge, and I wrote a script and did some massaging to get the data into .kml format. The newest reroutes are missing from this file, but it should be close enough...

    ...at least for non-riders following the new leaderboard / map.

    CT is in pink, CTR detours are in green.

    Thanks to Kevin Montgomery for getting this set up.
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    Good on ya!

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    gonna giver another go this year! See yall at prerace dealo!

    Might hose me for the on Pbville 100.

    But right now itching to rock it on this route!
    Glad to see you back in the fight Dave - good luck and rock out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    gonna giver another go this year! See yall at prerace dealo!

    Might hose me for the on Pbville 100.

    But right now itching to rock it on this route!
    Way to hang in there Dave , hope you make it all the way Durango .
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    Anyone have a contact for Mike Dion in Denver?
    Flying in to Mile High on Saturday for the CTride-also looking for anyone who wants to pedal around Denver on Sunday-you know, get some training in the day before it starts...
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    Jumped the gun, I`m back in, its only a sprain, we shall see. Jim, PM or call me about that ride to the start.

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    My wife will be picking me up in Durango as well. Since I use to live in Durango I got a good friend who may let a few people lodge in his house – a nice large Durango style home they “sit” while doing regular jobs. There is a sweet sleep in yurt on there property too. If you need a place to recover send me a private email. Assuming my buddy Chuck does the race and gets to Durango, there should be room for at least 1 or 2 more riders
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    Quote Originally Posted by consumerbydesign
    Jumped the gun, I`m back in, its only a sprain, we shall see. Jim, PM or call me about that ride to the start.
    Good news man. Hope it feels better.

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    Racers,

    We should keep an eye on this one. http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...6120&catid=339

    Right now it is uncontained, uncomfortably close to the Terryall detour. If it blows up we might want to consider the 285 detour instead.

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    Thanks fo the kind words riverfever. The hand could use more time for sure, maybe a fire would help.
    They say the fire is 5-10 miles north of deckers. That puts it smack dab on segment 2-3. The south detour is not the problem. I hate to bring up the date change idea again, but what if the trail is closed? It looks like their fighting this with all they have. Not many other fires going on, lots of fire roads in the area.
    Those fire crews wont hesitate to close the trail if even a minor threat exists. I`m betting that they will get this fire out.
    On a third topic, Stephan, could we get a little lunar action next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soloracer
    Racers,

    We should keep an eye on this one. http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...6120&catid=339

    Right now it is uncontained, uncomfortably close to the Terryall detour. If it blows up we might want to consider the 285 detour instead.

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    Great news to wake up to. Thanks for posting that Jim.

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    Great news to wake up to. Thanks for posting that Jim.
    I agree with Dan that they will probably have this snubbed out by Monday, but worth watching none the less. Nothing like some pre race drama, what else are we going to do on a taper week (assuming you are not like me and actually train).

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    Quote Originally Posted by consumerbydesign
    On a third topic, Stephan, could we get a little lunar action next year?
    Lunar action, longer daylight hours, no snow. Pick 2.

    Hmmm, and how to factor those reliable thunderstorms in there too...

    It's 1 week later this year, so slightly shorter days. Hope there's less precip for you guys this time around. That is, unless the fire is still raging. D'oh!
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    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...72/detail.html
    Sombody else employs the Spot technology here. I got my topo map in hand, it looks like the trail is between the two upper Spots. I think the fire is down near the lower Spot.
    If a reroute is necessary and the route gets easier, lets throw in the Ten Mile Range to make up for any potential slacking. We should probably discuss potential reroutes b/c we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consumerbydesign
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    lets throw in the Ten Mile Range to make up for any potential slacking.
    You just want to push a fully loaded bike over Wheeler, don't cha?

    My wife as heard from some of the emergency workers and they are fairly confident they will have this thing beat down in a couple of days.

    It has started raining in Keystone so hopefully that is hitting a little bit west and south as well. Just checked noaa, looks like mid to high 80's for the week in Deckers, not good fire fighting conditions.
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    The fire looks to be about 2 miles away from the trail right now. The closest point is where the CT crosses Hwy. 126 - right by a firestation, I might add. That section of the trail probably isn't in too much danger since it is already an old burn area with not much left to burn. If the fire gets to the other side of Hwy. 126, then we might have a problem. It's about 4 miles away from the closest point on the Tarryall Detour.

    Keep your fingers crossed, and hopefully the only effect will be some extra smoke inhalation the first day.
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    ... and if we just ... Ride to start?

    [QUOTE=Soloracer]Anyone rolling through Silverthorne (mm 205 on I-70 west of Denver) with room for one to the start? I could provide lodging the night before (or more if you want some high altitude time).

    Jim,
    Looks like I could give you a ride to the start - coming from Crested Butte. I could swing by on Sunday eve? Thoughts?

    Looks like the monsoons are starting today in CB, just in time to punish us for the race. Looking forward to starting this, instead of thinking how much it is going to hurt.
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    Detour clarification

    We start the the La Garita detour on Saguache Park Rd/FS 787 not Cochetopa Pass Rd.
    So that means that we ride to Sagauche Park Rd/FS 787 and the turn right/north and head back to Cochetopa Pass Rd. and on towards Dome Reservoir. Correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polish coyote
    Detour clarification

    We start the the La Garita detour on Saguache Park Rd/FS 787 not Cochetopa Pass Rd.
    So that means that we ride to Sagauche Park Rd/FS 787 and the turn right/north and head back to Cochetopa Pass Rd. and on towards Dome Reservoir. Correct?

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    Correct!

    You can see this clearly if you zoom in to the start of that last looong detour on the CTR leaderboard / map or googleearth file.
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    Hold up, let me make sure I got this right. I'm looking at my instructions from the CT Databook and this is what I read:

    The route begins where the CT intersect the Cochetopa Pass Road (NN14) at mile 6.7. Tollow the road downhill in a westerly direction. Pass the Saguache Park Road at mile 4.6. (It is possible to add a few more mile to the ride by remaining on the CT and continuing to where it hits the Saguache Park Road at mile 12.2, then turning right and riding 2.4 miles north to this point.)

    So what we do is stay on the CTR until mile 12.2 and turn right for 2.4 miles correct? My instructions don't have FS 787 listed so I'm a bit confused.

    And here I thought I was all set to just chill out and let the week pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    So what we do is stay on the CT until mile 12.2 and turn right for 2.4 miles correct? My instructions don't have FS 787 listed so I'm a bit confused.

    And here I thought I was all set to just chill out and let the week pass
    Exactly. Keep chillin'.
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    Jim,
    Looks like I could give you a ride to the start - coming from Crested Butte. I could swing by on Sunday eve? Thoughts?

    Looks like the monsoons are starting today in CB, just in time to punish us for the race. Looking forward to starting this, instead of thinking how much it is going to hurt.
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    Jim,
    You still need a ride to the start? I could swing through silverthorne on sunday...
    Looking forward to racing and not all this thinking about future painfulness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGSNOW
    Jim,
    You still need a ride to the start?
    I've got the ride covered with consumerbydesign, thanks though!
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    Fire Update

    50% contained, looks to be a non issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGSNOW
    Jim,
    You still need a ride to the start? I could swing through silverthorne on sunday...
    Looking forward to racing and not all this thinking about future painfulness!
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    Aren't you the one that did the filming on Youtube for the CTR last year? Awesome! I look forward to meeting you! Those short video clips have been watched probably a hundred times by me.

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    QUOTE=polish coyote].....We...[/QUOTE]
    Wadda you mean we? Is that some kind of informal announcment? Well alrighty now. Looks like a ride to the start is available, mines chuck full.

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    let me just say i'm in. not much inter-web action these days with all the prep for the race. the LaGarita detour is a bit confusing. see you kids on monday

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    SPOTs

    The roster is hovering around 18 now!

    Matthew Lee has graciously asked several TD riders to send me their SPOTs, and I believe there are about 5 on the way. This will not be enough for everyone, so if you are racing and really want to use one, try to round up one if you can. I intend on handing them out firstly to people who have requested one on this board or asked me directly, and then on a first come first served basis - that is, unless prior arrangements have been made with the SPOT owner.

    Temps forecasted in the 90s all week - you guys probably won't be touching any snow until a few shady drifts in the San Juans. Hopefully it's not too scorching hot at the start. Maybe a nice rain shower to cool things down...
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    FYI on the Spots

    [QUOTE=Stefan_G]The roster is hovering around 18 now!

    Matthew Lee has graciously asked several TD riders to send me their SPOTs, and I believe there are about 5 on the way. This will not be enough for everyone, so if you are racing and really want to use one, try to round up one if you can. QUOTE]

    They only use lithium batteries, which may not be readily available at some of the stops. Two AAs are advertized to work for a week on the continious monitoring function. I've used mine on maybe 20 rides and have yet to replace the batteries. If you plan less than a week, a fresh set will probably suffice, longer you may want to pack a set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soloracer
    They only use lithium batteries, which may not be readily available at some of the stops. Two AAs are advertized to work for a week on the continious monitoring function. I've used mine on maybe 20 rides and have yet to replace the batteries. If you plan less than a week, a fresh set will probably suffice, longer you may want to pack a set.

    Jim
    If you use fresh batteries, no one doing the CTR will be out there long enough to need to use a second set. Those things are good for 14-15 days, easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consumerbydesign
    QUOTE=polish coyote].....We...
    Wadda you mean we? Is that some kind of informal announcment? Well alrighty now. Looks like a ride to the start is available, mines chuck full.[/QUOTE]


    I'm in.

    I'm no longer in Dillon so no ride share needed from there, but thanks anyway.

    I apologize if I've confused other racers with my La Garita detour question. I don't use gps and didn't realize there was a very accurate map on the spot leaderboard. The route is clearly marked on the leaderboard map.

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    overview map?

    anyone come up with a good way to assimilate an overview map for carry? i coming from the angle that if semi lost you need a large format map to orient, e.g where is FS 787. i'm struggling with this one because the data book gives detail but that is only good if you are actually at those junctions ... i can't decide if a sextant or compass is best in this situation

    looks like i'll be there, at the start anyway, a little behind the curve gearing up but i got serious over the last couple of weeks ... and bought some dehydrated food which i figure is better than trying to trap rodents at night - LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckyb
    overview map?
    One way to put together a good overview map is to buy a Colorado Atlas/Gazetteer and cut out the pages you think you'll need.
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    Hey everyone I am back in Evergreen. Finished last night at 11pm. The CTR route is fully open with little snow or mud. My bike looks pretty good compared to last year.

    I tallied 500 miles on my route in 9 days 13 hours. I was catching a pair of thru-cyclists at end of section 25 when it rained for 4 hours. They detoured off at Celebration Lake I think as I never saw their tracks again. It was miserable up there that day but I was not to be denied. It was an amazing experience and I am still in awe of how hard the last 73 miles are. it seems like 150 or so.

    Stefan I think the ITT is harder than the race version. No motivation to night ride until the last night. That kind of sucked. However finishing the ITT is pretty damn sweet. I thank you for having the vision to organize this event. It has and will continue to motivate people to either do the CTR or solo the CT, which is without a doubt the hardest and longest true mountain route in the world.

    I will post i report in detail later.

    Good luck to all CTR riders- I hope you all finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream4est
    Hey everyone I am back in Evergreen. Finished last night at 11pm. The CTR route is fully open with little snow or mud. My bike looks pretty good compared to last year.

    I tallied 500 miles on my route in 9 days 13 hours. I was catching a pair of thru-cyclists at end of section 25 when it rained for 4 hours. They detoured off at Celebration Lake I think as I never saw their tracks again. It was miserable up there that day but I was not to be denied. It was an amazing experience and I am still in awe of how hard the last 73 miles are. it seems like 150 or so.

    Stefan I think the ITT is harder than the race version. No motivation to night ride until the last night. That kind of sucked. However finishing the ITT is pretty damn sweet. I thank you for having the vision to organize this event. It has and will continue to motivate people to either do the CTR or solo the CT, which is without a doubt the hardest and longest true mountain route in the world.

    I will post i report in detail later.

    Good luck to all CTR riders- I hope you all finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream4est
    Hey everyone I am back in Evergreen. Finished last night at 11pm. The CTR route is fully open with little snow or mud. My bike looks pretty good compared to last year. ...........

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    Way to go Mark, glad you got er done!!.

    I read and re-read all your posts/comments about last yr with great interest, look forward to seeing more about your ITT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    One way to put together a good overview map is to buy a Colorado Atlas/Gazetteer and cut out the pages you think you'll need.
    thanks SG, i was just thinking that! its the only way to get all surrounding county roads rounds for good orientation ... and i'll let you know how many pages that turns out to be. actually, i think just tying the whole book on the front of the bike for quick access is the thing to do!

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    AWESOME ! nice job

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    Hey man- I was one of those thru bikers! No detour here. 16 days, 35 miles a day average, 570 miles total for me with lots of checking out towns and even some side rides.
    PERFECT pace for me, the BEST vacation ever. Hammock camping RULES! Rained a lot, never got wet, more comfortable than a motel bed. Trail conditions were near perfect, I wouldn't say "clear" of snow as there were drifts on several segs that you had to walk through and several trees down on the DH from Georgia Pass. I can't say enough about how wonderful this experience was, ANYONE can do it if you take the time and correct attitude.
    TMy one commennt is that the "mandatory detour" for Lost Creek wilderness sucks. I fall into the "stay out" camp on the Wilderness debate, would 285 be enough faster to make up for the crappy traffic? The rest of the mando's were pleasant rides...

    Bikepacking is the new black!

    Oh yeah- when y'all race, do you take the Coney Summit/ Carson Saddle sections (Seg's 22/23) or do you do the detours? I found those sections very challenging and was just wonderin'....
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    Hey Mike! Glad you made it back. I was wondering about you. So you liked the hammock huh? Which one did you go with? Did you go double layer with a pad or did you use a single layer with an underquilt? I think the hammock is catching on. I know there are at least 2 of us that are using one on the race. My whole set up is 2 lbs. That includes hammock/rainfly/tent stakes.
    Anyway, glad you had a good time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc
    Hey Mike! Glad you made it back. I was wondering about you. So you liked the hammock huh? Which one did you go with? Did you go double layer with a pad or did you use a single layer with an underquilt? I think the hammock is catching on. I know there are at least 2 of us that are using one on the race. My whole set up is 2 lbs. That includes hammock/rainfly/tent stakes.
    Anyway, glad you had a good time!
    Yeah, I was feeling a little funny when I saw you on the trail...everything kept getting better after that.

    I went with the Mosquito Hammock, expedition model. FANTASTIC set-up,double bottom with ancient 1" pad I've had for years. Took the stock straps and cut out two three foot sections, sewed loops in the ends, carabiner. First had JRB tri-glides and poly straps, then lost (sigh) them when was bivouacing just off the Divide on Seg 23 during a very heavy thunderstorm. If anybody finds my litter, I apologize and please pick it up for me. Bought standard nylon straps at outfitter in Silverton, using these and double half-hitches with the strap, carabiner set-up actually worked better, IMO, than the tri-glides- I was able to establish a higher tension. Tarp was the Treehugger because it was available locally, worked great except the tie-outs were too short, I replaced them at home before the trip though. I have no idea what this whole thing weighed together, but not much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    Hey man- I was one of those thru bikers! No detour here. 16 days, 35 miles a day average, 570 miles total for me with lots of checking out towns and even some side rides.
    PERFECT pace for me, the BEST vacation ever. Hammock camping RULES! Rained a lot, never got wet, more comfortable than a motel bed. Trail conditions were near perfect, I wouldn't say "clear" of snow as there were drifts on several segs that you had to walk through and several trees down on the DH from Georgia Pass. I can't say enough about how wonderful this experience was, ANYONE can do it if you take the time and correct attitude.
    TMy one commennt is that the "mandatory detour" for Lost Creek wilderness sucks. I fall into the "stay out" camp on the Wilderness debate, would 285 be enough faster to make up for the crappy traffic?
    Mike

    Mike I thought that was you ahead of me after that group told me you guys were just a mile away. I rode like lightning to catch you but it rained for 4 hours so when I got to the end of the section your tracks vanished. maybe i rode/walked right by your camp? I was kind of bummed as I wanted to finish with you guys. That final 50 miles is lonely by yourself.

    I had a great time as well. I did 2 side rides as well. But those trees on Swan north fork pissed me off. Ruined a great downhill.

    I did 285 detour. Much better IMO. I saw 4 thru-bikers on it yesterday in the rain and they looked wet and trucks were spraying them. In the sun it takes very little time compared to Taryall.

    I agree that the CT is an awesome vacation. I am sitting here wondering what to do next. Day rides just dont seem impressive at all anymore.

    By clear of snow and mud I mean 99.5% of trail is clear mileage wise. So about 2 miles of mud/snow on route.

    Congrats. I know you must feel as content and happy as I do. I am sitting here think of the famous Hillary qoute:

    "It is not the mountains we conquer but ourselves".

    I think that is the mindset behind the ITT of the CT. I beat the beast that is the CT but what I really did was merely shatter myths in my own mind about my limitations and potential. I thought up until 2 years ago that riding the CT was impossible. Now I believe that someone can ride it unsupported out and BACK in 16-18 days. That may be my goal next year. I am just throwing that out there to plant the seed, hoping someone else considers it so I do not feel like a lunatic for even contemplating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    Yeah, I was feeling a little funny when I saw you on the trail...everything kept getting better after that.

    I went with the Mosquito Hammock, expedition model. FANTASTIC set-up,double bottom with ancient 1" pad I've had for years. Took the stock straps and cut out two three foot sections, sewed loops in the ends, carabiner. First had JRB tri-glides and poly straps, then lost (sigh) them when was bivouacing just off the Divide on Seg 23 during a very heavy thunderstorm. If anybody finds my litter, I apologize and please pick it up for me. Bought standard nylon straps at outfitter in Silverton, using these and double half-hitches with the strap, carabiner set-up actually worked better, IMO, than the tri-glides- I was able to establish a higher tension. Tarp was the Treehugger because it was available locally, worked great except the tie-outs were too short, I replaced them at home before the trip though. I have no idea what this whole thing weighed together, but not much.
    I use the carabiners as well. Not much weight and super easy/quick to set up. It wasn't me you past. I'll be starting on Monday. Man, now I'm really getting excited!

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    Hey Mark and Mike-

    Great to hear of your CT adventures and that you both and a fantastic and successful time out there! Thanks for the conditions report and the extra psych for all the CTRers too. Seems like no matter what dates you pick, you're gonna get rained on huh? It sounds like you both made the best of it though and just had a blast.

    Did either of you ride the Cataract Ridge reroute? I haven't heard any reports as to the bikeability of that segment yet, and I haven't had a chance to go check it out myself either. The CTR takes Cinnamon Pass instead of the Coney Summit + Carson Saddle + Stony Pass (Seg 22-24). That was a tough decision when choosing the initial CTR route, but the hike-a-bike, plus potential severe weather consequences, and Lake City being that much more out of the way, ultimately led us to choose the detour. We'll see what all the racers have to say after this year! That certainly is a beautiful piece of the CT, but dang it would suck to be 2/3rds of the way through an ITT and have to completely bail off due to weather conditions!

    Congratulations to both of you for setting some lofty goals, and then nailing them. Awesome stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dream4est

    I agree that the CT is an awesome vacation. I am sitting here wondering what to do next. Day rides just dont seem impressive at all anymore.
    Nice work Mark, already looking forward too. Plenty of summer left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jav1231
    Is there a list of starters for the 28th? If there is it'd be cool to know who and what they're riding.
    That'll be the first post of a new thread on Monday afternoon! Hopefully it will be supplemented with some pictures too.

    Several TDers have stepped up and loaned out their SPOTs also. They are, of course, optional for CTRers use, but enough racers want to use one that it should give us some fun armchair spectating while they are out there in the thick of it.
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    hi stefan and the rest of the people in the forum we are tow riders from puerto rico trying after a week of local preparation to jump in the trail tomorrow morning and we have a lot of troubles to load de colorado way points from the colorado trail web page so we are stuck in a starbucks tryin to get the way points if you can help us!! we can not wait another day if by any chance you get this message on time and cand help us please give us a call to 720 254 3812 or [email protected] we where able to down load the route but not the bike detours.
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    we want to thank chris plesco who call 30 seconds later wow!! to help us with the information thet we need to start the rout tomorrow.
    again thank chirs!
    we will be in touch later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Hey Mark and Mike-

    Great to hear of your CT adventures and that you both and a fantastic and successful time out there! Thanks for the conditions report and the extra psych for all the CTRers too. Seems like no matter what dates you pick, you're gonna get rained on huh? It sounds like you both made the best of it though and just had a blast.

    Did either of you ride the Cataract Ridge reroute? I haven't heard any reports as to the bikeability of that segment yet, and I haven't had a chance to go check it out myself either. The CTR takes Cinnamon Pass instead of the Coney Summit + Carson Saddle + Stony Pass (Seg 22-24). That was a tough decision when choosing the initial CTR route, but the hike-a-bike, plus potential severe weather consequences, and Lake City being that much more out of the way, ultimately led us to choose the detour. We'll see what all the racers have to say after this year! That certainly is a beautiful piece of the CT, but dang it would suck to be 2/3rds of the way through an ITT and have to completely bail off due to weather conditions!




    Congratulations to both of you for setting some lofty goals, and then nailing them. Awesome stuff!
    Stefan- I attempted to do the Cataract Ridge re-route but there was a lot of t-storm action going on and did not belong on the Continental Divide at that time. Took the Pole Creek, old route instead. I guess thigh-high creek crossings are better than being struck by lightning...some hikers coming from Durango told me that they were just establishing the tread by planing cairns and letting the trail develop through use across a lot of talas fields- so I bet it was pretty un-bikeable. I had this stoopid goal of staying on the trail as much as possible, however...
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    Congratulations Mark and Mike.

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    Got the SPOTs

    Each person who is borrowing one, please bring $5 for the new pair Lithium AA's I have put in all of them. Those things are pricey!

    Hope ya'll are ready to suffer...
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    Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Each person who is borrowing one, please bring $5 for the new pair Lithium AA's I have put in all of them. Those things are pricey!

    Hope ya'll are ready to suffer...

    Well, except for a bit of a lingering head cold I be ready!!
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    Twitter !!!

    i setup a twitter account for the race. you can send txt to this account from mobile and also receive all twts (tweets) from other racers. its a great way to allow everyone else to tune in and an easy way to send in your check points.

    sign up with your own twitter account (and send that out to friends) http://twitter.com
    and set up to 'follow' CTR2 if you want to hear from everyone else.
    Stephan, seems like you have someone setup to keep tabs, we just need that person to monitor twitter and set CTR2 to 'follow' all of us using twitter. so anyone following CTR2 will see all messages coming in ... you can post that on the CTR site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckyb
    Twitter !!!
    Cool stuff. Looks like there will be no shortage of ways for racers to check in. There are also enough SPOTs for all 16 who have committed to the race! The two other potential racers I have not heard from, so we'll see if they show up or not. And, of course, there may be a surprise or two like last year...

    I personally plan on keeping tabs with the call-ins as best I can, and I think Joe Polk plans on making podcasts out of them too. My current intention is to transcribe call-ins to an MTBR thread, so we'll see how that goes. Hopefully it won't get too hijacked, but if it does, I may move it to a blog. If some of the racers want to use twitter also, I can try to copy those over as well.

    Lot's of new stuff being tried out this year. It'll be interesting to see how it all works out for the CTR - what works well, what doesn't, what the racers prefer, and what is easiest for people like me and Joe keeping tabs on everyone and sharing the info online.

    Good Luck to all this year! See you tomorrow morning! Probably...
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    Best of luck and have a great time to everyone heading out tomorrow. I'll be keeping track on here and the podcasts. Stefan, thanks for making this so easy to follow from the east coast and keep up with my brother in law. (Turk)

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    Leaderboard is up and running!

    http://www.tourdivide.org/ctr/leaderboard

    For those back home, Matt Lee and I worked with Stefan to get the CTR a leaderboard this year. Many Tour Divide '08 racers kindly donated their SPOT units to CTR racers in need, so we all owe them many thanks.

    On the map, the main route is Purple. The Green sections are required detours around wilderness areas.

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    Awesome, KM! The leaderboard looks great! I was wondering why you were showing up in Denver then realized someone likely has your SPOT.
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    Best of luck to everyone heading out today!

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    I see blue dots moving down the trail great work guys . Hope the weather cooperates with all of the racers . Good luck everyone .
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    are you all getting blue dots? nothing's showing up for me. i guess i'm getting what i asked for considering my recent comments on the GDR thread

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    Just checked for blue dots and it is blank ?
    just put me back on my bike

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    I checked about an hour ago and it didn't seem like the dots had moved for a while, and now I'm also getting no dots.

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    I have had the same problem for about the last hour when only 9 showed and now there are no dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail717
    I have had the same problem for about the last hour when only 9 showed and now there are no dots.

    Sharon B.
    SPOT's servers crashed a few hours ago. Based on what was happening in the past, it should be back in a few hours

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    sizlin,

    thanks for the info. I'll check back either late night or in the morning.

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    Thanks Kevin , It's good to know that your on top of this . I will check back later tonight .
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    First show is up:
    MTBCast: A Mountainbiking Podcast! CTR ‘08 kicks off with 23 racers! 530 miles and 60K feet of climbing as they work their way down the Colorado Trail from Denver to Durango!

    I have a page up as well.

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    Spot stuff

    Hi everyone,

    It's Chris's wife Marni.

    If, by chance, any wives or families of racers that OWN their spot check this and need a little reassurance about the spot stuff, I thought I'd pass on some info.

    If you know the login and password of the spot account you can still see the tracks from your racer. I tried to figure this out yesterday but couldn't get it and finally realized in the middle of the night what to do:

    go to www.findmespot.com
    the login button is on the right side
    put in user name and password
    the orange tab that is highlighted will be "messengers" --> click the tab that says "messages"
    It should list his tracks so you can see that he's moving. If you want to see the tracks, click the tracks that you want to see (I did "select all") and then push the "show on map" button

    That way you can at least get an idea of where your family member is since none of the shared pages seem to work at the moment.

    Chris seemed to be near Tarryall on the first detour around 7:15 this morning. Hopefully the leaderboard will be back up soon so we can all push the refresh button obsessively.

    Happy watching!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    Hey Mark and Mike-

    Great to hear of your CT adventures and that you both and a fantastic and successful time out there! Thanks for the conditions report and the extra psych for all the CTRers too. Seems like no matter what dates you pick, you're gonna get rained on huh? It sounds like you both made the best of it though and just had a blast.

    Did either of you ride the Cataract Ridge reroute? I haven't heard any reports as to the bikeability of that segment yet, and I haven't had a chance to go check it out myself either. The CTR takes Cinnamon Pass instead of the Coney Summit + Carson Saddle + Stony Pass (Seg 22-24). That was a tough decision when choosing the initial CTR route, but the hike-a-bike, plus potential severe weather consequences, and Lake City being that much more out of the way, ultimately led us to choose the detour. We'll see what all the racers have to say after this year! That certainly is a beautiful piece of the CT, but dang it would suck to be 2/3rds of the way through an ITT and have to completely bail off due to weather conditions!

    Congratulations to both of you for setting some lofty goals, and then nailing them. Awesome stuff!

    I just got back from two weeks of trail work on Cataract Ridge. It has been done on bike already, but it's definately a hike-a-bike proposition. Parts of it are cairn to cairn and other parts are built. As far as the weather goes, there are daily afternoon monsoon thunderstorms almost always in July. The route has safe low places (if you consider 12,500' to be low) where you can go to wait out a storm. In this respect, I consider it to be safer from lightning than some other CT segments such as Indian Trail Ridge or Searle Pass where going down is not really an option. Cataract Ridge is absolutely stunning terrain and worth the effort. If you plan on doing it, camp at Cataract lake and start early and you should beat the weather on most days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkre73
    Thanks Kevin , It's good to know that your on top of this . I will check back later tonight .
    We got word from SPOT that they were upgrading their shared page functionality yesterday/last night and the pages (and therefore the leaderboard) will be up sometime today. They are a west coast company as well, so that ought to effect the time it goes back up.

    Just bad timing that the service upgrade coincided with the start of the CTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Hi everyone,

    It's Chris's wife Marni.

    If, by chance, any wives or families of racers that OWN their spot check this and need a little reassurance about the spot stuff, I thought I'd pass on some info.

    If you know the login and password of the spot account you can still see the tracks from your racer. I tried to figure this out yesterday but couldn't get it and finally realized in the middle of the night what to do:

    go to www.findmespot.com
    the login button is on the right side
    put in user name and password
    the orange tab that is highlighted will be "messengers" --> click the tab that says "messages"
    It should list his tracks so you can see that he's moving. If you want to see the tracks, click the tracks that you want to see (I did "select all") and then push the "show on map" button

    That way you can at least get an idea of where your family member is since none of the shared pages seem to work at the moment.

    Chris seemed to be near Tarryall on the first detour around 7:15 this morning. Hopefully the leaderboard will be back up soon so we can all push the refresh button obsessively.

    Happy watching!
    Marni
    interesting Marni. i tried checking my SPOT this way last night and this morning and it only shows one track yesterday before the race started so I assumed the entire SPOT system was down, not just the shared pages. Perhaps my device did not end up going out with a rider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grroes
    interesting Marni. i tried checking my SPOT this way last night and this morning and it only shows one track yesterday before the race started so I assumed the entire SPOT system was down, not just the shared pages. Perhaps my device did not end up going out with a rider?
    Geoff, your unit was not used.

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    Cooked on the Colorado Trail

    Hello all….

    I decided to pull the plug on my CT attempt last night as I was COOKED! Stick a fork in me, I am done. Actually, it was feeling like there were a couple hundred forks already sticking me in the butt! Aside from the tender bum, the heat was torture. When the race started on Monday we rode up Waterton canyon and my watch (mounted on my bike) was reading 108F. The first three segments went pretty well with the exception of an end-o on the decent down to S. Platte River. Not too much harm done but with a 23 lb pack on your back it sure does hurt. I had to laugh as just 5 minutes before my tumble I was thinking that “a person needs to pay attention on this section or they could get hurt!”

    I rode for around 11 hours Monday and logged 55 miles. Slept in a beautiful meadow with temps in the 50’s. Throughout the day on Monday I could not get my heart rate to lower and felt like I was going backwards. My typical heart rate is around 140 to 150 while maintaining a constant pace. I noticed Monday that it was usually around 160 to 170. Way too high but even when I stopped to take a break it was just not recovering as usual. It took me around 8 hours to ride what should have taken 6.5 hours.

    Tuesday morning I was on the trail at 6 am and rode for 12 hours logging around 65 miles. I was drinking around 2.5 liters every 3 to 4 hours supplemented with Succeed electrolytes. The sun was out and the section of the course took us through the Hayman Fire (http://www.wilderness.org/Library/Do...ary_Hayman.cfm) area which has been stripped of any shade. All of the riding was on forest service and paved roads so the technical nature was not that high. I really started to bonk around 3 pm. I tried to analyze why I was not recovering because I was drinking and thought I was eating enough to fuel the endeavor. When I started to count calories I realized that I had only eaten around 1500 calories over the past 12 hours. Not enough to sustain the effort on a normal ride and this was far beyond normal.

    By 5 pm I was at an intersection of forest service road 56 and at the end of my rope. To the right, 2 miles back to the Colorado Trail then 6 miles to Kenosho Pass. 5 miles to the left, Hwy 285 and 2 miles to Kenosho Pass. I knew if I went left, my race was over. If I went right, my race continued. I sat in the heat for a few moments and decided to go left. I headed down the road for about 500 yards then stopped, turned around contemplating my decision. I turn back to the west and continued to hwy 285 with strange feeling of relief that the struggle was over but at the same time a sense of sadness that my adventure was over. After a fearful ride up hwy 285 in the rain , I made it to Kenosho pass campground and called my wife to let her know that I was done. 115 miles, 22 hours of riding in 31 hours, my adventure was complete.

    Hours later as I write this summary, I am already starting to think about what I could do differently next year! How quickly we forget. It was not even 24 hours ago I was cursing the Tarryall valley and swore to never travel that section again. The heat was a huge factor for me and I think it took more out of me than I realized. Not looking for excuses as I know I could always be in better shape and train more purposefully, I think I under estimated the difficulty of the Colorado Trail and over estimated my ability.

    One of my favorite quotes is by the great explorer Norman Vaughn (http://www.normanvaughan.com/) which is “Dream big and dare to fail”. This was a big dream and even though I failed to finish the trail I continue to dream. Failure creates clarity that eventually results in success.

    Thanks for everyone’s support and we’ll see you on the trails.

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    O Murph may be setting a new record - CT.ITT

    Owen Murphy is ITT'n the CT and is on track to come in under 5 days.. he's using Plesko's Spot tracker.

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    [QUOTE=chuckyb]Owen Murphy is ITT'n the CT and is on track to come in under 5 days.. he's using Plesko's Spot tracker.

    The Spot shows him way off course last night. I followed it and it seems he went way off course and did not retrace his steps in section 17 (see last four points before hwy 114). I was really rooting for him to break the record but but you have to follow the course to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream4est
    The Spot shows him way off course last night. I followed it and it seems he went way off course and did not retrace his steps in section 17 (see last four points before hwy 114). I was really rooting for him to break the record but but you have to follow the course to do that.
    I noticed that too, but let's not jump the gun... I'd like to talk to him personally first because only 1 of the random spot points is on a road. The others don't seem to be on any road OR trail as far as I can tell. It's possible it broadcasted a few wrong points or is at the transitional latitude between satellites or something. I don't know all the details of how those things work. Ignoring the 4 strange SPOT points just before Hwy. 114, his split from that meadow to the highway is 2.5 hours. For 7 miles. Even at his smoking pace, that seems about right for that nasty chunk of terrain!

    Looks like he should be in Lake City in a few hours. That means he oughtta finish up Friday evening, hopefully before the nasty weather blows in, and completely crush 5 days in the process!
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    hey guys, i do have a whole lot of GPS experience, and they are not that robust. in the trees (and in valleys/canyons) they always miss read and satellite geometry changes so fast that often the receiver can not track for quite a while ... so i would call this par for the tech.

    notes:
    1) i was a spot customer and got so pissed at them i returned it. i was using it for OK and 911 rather than tracking. for 911 you ONLY hear about the successful calls and never hear about the unsuccessful ones .. ask them and i bet they WILL NOT release their records. for tracking a race its pretty damn cool though because reliability doesn't matter, whenever a point is broadcast that is good enough. also, when they tracked teh CTR this year you never saw each person's 'track' just the last known point. to check my statement of robustness download anyone's whole track during the CTR and overlay all those points on the CT and you'll see jumps all over the place.
    2) O ITT'd the CT last year so he is very familiar with the route

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckyb
    O ITT'd the CT last year so he is very familiar with the route
    Thanks Chuck. Any idea what is time was from last year? Also, do you know if he ITT'd the CTR route or did he do some of the segments that the CTR detours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_G
    I noticed that too, but let's not jump the gun... I'd like to talk to him personally first because only 1 of the random spot points is on a road. The others don't seem to be on any road OR trail as far as I can tell. It's possible it broadcasted a few wrong points or is at the transitional latitude between satellites or something. I don't know all the details of how those things work. Ignoring the 4 strange SPOT points just before Hwy. 114, his split from that meadow to the highway is 2.5 hours. For 7 miles. Even at his smoking pace, that seems about right for that nasty chunk of terrain!

    Looks like he should be in Lake City in a few hours. That means he oughtta finish up Friday evening, hopefully before the nasty weather blows in, and completely crush 5 days in the process!
    I am not even sure of Spot's accuracy. Just pointing out what I saw but I am hoping he is on course AND breaks the record- as that is really cool stuff to watch here from the laptop. The points are just in wierd areas so I thought he was lost.

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    I am the cartographer for The Colorado Trail and have gps'd it three times end to end with professional grade gps gear. We record a point every five seconds as we hike the trail, then post-process the data. We typically have thousands of bad readings which are identified and eliminated visually or via mathematical formulas. That is the best benefit of using pro grade equipment - much more information is provided for each point than by the recreational units.

    When gps coveage is poor due to constellation or terrain blockage, outliers (false data points) are often created. In this particular case the point most in question is on a road, which would suggest that he was off route. However to connect that point to the next point via local roads and trails is a distance of about 4 miles with a 400 foot climb. The time difference between these two points is just over 10 minutes. This would require an average speed of about 24 mph in fairly difficult circumstancs and I am very doubtful of that. The next three readings plot across a hill and are definately bad.

    In my opinion, he was on the correct route and the SPOT system just happened to record some bad data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearcreek
    In my opinion, he was on the correct route and the SPOT system just happened to record some bad data.
    Thanks for the words of expertise so quickly, Jerry!

    Hopefully this will prevent any feathers from getting ruffled too soon unnecessarily.
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    as i recall O alloted 8 days last year, didn't know if he could do that, and came in at 7days.
    i believe he was following all your decriptions for the actual CTR ... and i know that part of his encouragement to me as i hit the CTR this year was "hey, everyone has a bad day so when it hits just keep riding for another half day and all will be fine" ... sadly i had to recall that advice by day2!

    the information void is due to a humble fellow who won't say anything until its done (i only interpreted that O was attempting a record but he never stated that)

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    you guys are right on, and kudos for all the work that went into creating this event/route
    i do want to say that keeping with the honor code is important, using tech at this stage is too early a call -- undoubtedly as this evolves some will want to require tracking but it needs a good tech eval first -- bearcreek is your man! Spot doesn't even use high sensitivity chips so it is a good indicator of location but absolutely not accurate -- the trail was mapped with $5-10k equipment ...
    anyway, point is, as authentication is needed either check points can be set up or specific equipment could be required. (only pushing back because we tend to believe in technology, it always fails, and is rarely robust)

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    Didnt mean to start up anything I just posted last night hoping he was not having problems. As the points came out it was a little wild to think of where Spot says he was as I know that country really well (lived there for 7 years). His ride is so fast it is amazing to follow. Good luck and break 5 man!

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    Whoa, Owen spent all of 30 minutes in Lake City before heading out again.

    !! !!

    I easily spent 2 hours there last year waiting in line at the grocery store... eating a steak sandwich... drinking a milkshake... cleaning off my bike...

    He's on a mission!
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    I see Owen's SPOT at the terminus as of 2:18pm today for something like a 4d9h or so CTR. I am totally blown away. I knew sub 5 days was certainly possible, maybe even for me, but it appears Owen has brought this course to a whole new level! In fact, I think he even skipped a few levels on the way there...

    I'm hoping to hear from him eventually with his official time, and maybe he'll even post something here for us. In the meantime, I think I better go catch my breath. Great job, Owen!

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    Owen should swing by here for SPOT return today or tomorrow I think. When he does, I'll encourage him to sling a quick posts up. From the SPOT it looks like he just killed it out there!
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    Owen's race

    At Stefan's suggestion, I plotted Owen's SPOT points against the other racers I had in the CTR race.

    Everyone starts at the same time (~5a for Owen, ~noon for everyone else) so the comparison is a little skewed, but it's pretty impressive to see Owen riding a heckuva lot more than he's stopping.

    Video link to the TopoFusion playback:



    Enjoy. It's been fun playing with the SPOT data. Huge congrats to Owen on smashing the record.
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    Thank you

    Thanks to everybody for your support and well wishes! Especially Stefan for the inspiration and Chris for letting me use his SPOT device. I had a great ride and was very lucky with the weather and lack of mechanicals. I felt great for a couple of days after I finished, but I think the real fatigue has finally set in. I slept 10 hours last night and feel more tired than I did on the trail (where I averaged 4-5 hours/night)! I'm back at work now, but I'll try to post a trip summary by the end of the week...

    Take care,
    Owen

    P.S. Thanks for the SPOT topo-fusion video, Scott. It was fun to watch from the comfort of my couch!

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    HalfAss100 inaugural

    join us for the inaugural HalfAss100
    70mi 10k' loop and a 30mi 5k' loop over the continental divide ...
    plenty of technical single track ... and the locals are scared so come
    show them how its done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckyb
    join us for the inaugural HalfAss100
    70mi 10k' loop and a 30mi 5k' loop over the continental divide ...
    plenty of technical single track ... and the locals are scared so come
    show them how its done!

    HalfAss100 for all your info needs; sign-in to add comments
    http://www.mapbuzz.com/community/sho...community_tabs...
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    New CTR Record

    Owen Murphy crushed the CTR course in perfect weather a week after the race. He completed the whole thing in 4d08h45m!!!

    Here is his write-up.
    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -TJ

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