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    2008 Trans-Iowa V4



    Plans are being set for the 4th running of Trans-Iowa. Stay tuned to the website for all the updates.

    Need a refresher? Check out some pics!

    And the guy with the light on his bike in the picture above....his facial expression is PRICELESS!

    As for me....I am out of the loop this year. The go-to-guys regarding TIv4 are Guitar Ted and Bd.Sahib

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    Yippie....

    why does this excite me to no end on a sunday morning?

    Why is depeche mode's Sweetest Perfection playing on i-tunes just as i'm reading about it?
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    Great News!!!

    I received an e-mail from GT just last night, letting me know that he would indeed be holding another Trans-Iowa event in 2008... and that David Pals would be assisting him. This is fantastic news for everyone in endurance mtn biking. Mark and David are two of the greatest individuals I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Although the time we have had together (so far) has been far too limited, I consider them both to be dear friends, and all-around great guys. We need more folks like them. And we need more events like Trans-Iowa.

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    ps: Plans are also underway for a 2008 edition of The Dirty Kanza 200. Our date will (again) most likely be sometime in mid-to-late May. Watch for more details.

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    Hmmm

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    Wow! Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by C-Hog
    I received an e-mail from GT just last night, letting me know that he would indeed be holding another Trans-Iowa event in 2008... and that David Pals would be assisting him. This is fantastic news for everyone in endurance mtn biking. Mark and David are two of the greatest individuals I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Although the time we have had together (so far) has been far too limited, I consider them both to be dear friends, and all-around great guys. We need more folks like them. And we need more events like Trans-Iowa.

    Jim Cummins
    Promoter, Dirty Kanza 200

    ps: Plans are also underway for a 2008 edition of The Dirty Kanza 200. Our date will (again) most likely be sometime in mid-to-late May. Watch for more details.
    Jim, you are far too kind to say so yourself, but you are a promoter at the top level and I have used a lot of what you have implemented in Dirty Kanza into T.I.

    Looking forwards to working with d.p. and everyone should also know that Jeff Kerkove designed that header. Thanks Buddy!

    Just like Jeff said, we'll be posting updates along the way so stay tuned. Thanks for all the positive comments and vibes.
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    Fyi

    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Gears or SS? Hannon and Ira were killing me at 30mph on the single.
    Just so you know, it was your accounting of T.I. V3 that was one of the influences for me to run this again. Thanks!

    Those first hand accounts are always special, but something about yours just grabbed me.
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    Thanks GT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Just so you know, it was your accounting of T.I. V3 that was one of the influences for me to run this again. Thanks!

    Those first hand accounts are always special, but something about yours just grabbed me.
    You and Jeff the ones that did all the hard work. Those cue sheets were amazing. Glad you and DP are keeping the race going. Two awesome guys and a really cool and unique race.
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    Good to hear you guys(GT/BD) are pullin' the trigger on gettin the word out so early for next year, I'll endeavor to be there.

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    Key word: "early"

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    Good to hear you guys(GT/BD) are pullin' the trigger on gettin the word out so early for next year, I'll endeavor to be there.
    Yeah, thanks Paddy. I'm hoping to see you, Dallas, and Lyndsay tow the line again sometime down here.

    Early is the key word.

    d.p. and I are going to try to be a bit more efficient and accurate than we've ever been before for T.I.

    Things to look for: Loop course again. Additional cue sheet checkpoint(s) Start in the dark. The ususal B maintenance roads, and lots of hills.

    My goal is to have the '08 course in the bag and ready to go before winter. d.p. and myself have lots of work to do.

    Until then................
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    Looking forward to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, thanks Paddy. I'm hoping to see you, Dallas, and Lyndsay tow the line again sometime down here.

    Early is the key word.

    d.p. and I are going to try to be a bit more efficient and accurate than we've ever been before for T.I.

    Things to look for: Loop course again. Additional cue sheet checkpoint(s) Start in the dark. The ususal B maintenance roads, and lots of hills.

    My goal is to have the '08 course in the bag and ready to go before winter. d.p. and myself have lots of work to do.

    Until then................
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    Glad to hear this will happen again! I'll mark it on the calendar.
    Thanks GT and DP!

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    Many thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, thanks Paddy. I'm hoping to see you, Dallas, and Lyndsay tow the line again sometime down here.

    Early is the key word.

    d.p. and I are going to try to be a bit more efficient and accurate than we've ever been before for T.I.

    Things to look for: Loop course again. Additional cue sheet checkpoint(s) Start in the dark. The ususal B maintenance roads, and lots of hills.

    My goal is to have the '08 course in the bag and ready to go before winter. d.p. and myself have lots of work to do.

    Until then................
    Guitar Ted, thanks for going through this again. Bd.Sahib, thanks for joining in the fun.

    After TIV3 my butt was black and blue, my fingers were numb for weeks, and the toenails from both of my large toes fell off. Somehow the memories of the side effects are nothing compared to the utter (or should I say "udder"?) ADVENTURE that this race was! I am so looking forward to doing it again.

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    It's only August and I've now got a serious contender for me to use as winter time motivation.
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    Announcing the T.I.V4 Tune Up Ride

    Have you been wondering what doing something like Trans Iowa might be like, are you considering T.I.V4, or are you up for a century on gravel "just'cause"? Well, you are in luck.

    Post GTDRI II, d.p. and I were lamenting the fact that we had to cut the course short to make it on scheduled time. We decided to re-attempt the route on October 27th, 2007. Then after discussing this with a few blokes thinking about T.I.V4, we realized it might just be a fun way to get a bunch of like minded folks out and use the ride as a kick off to your winter training for T.I.V4. Or not...............maybe you just want to ride it for fun. That's okay too.

    We'll be meeting in Marengo, Iowa early in the morning, so lights will be required. We probaly won't get back in till after dark either, so be prepared. More on times and route cues later on the T.I.V4 website.
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    sweet. the weather will have probably turned, cold and snow are a likely possibility, i might put a bigger gear on the single speed, or mooch a CX bike, but i'm in.
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    And don't forget to get your blaze orange on

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Have you been wondering what doing something like Trans Iowa might be like, are you considering T.I.V4, or are you up for a century on gravel "just'cause"? Well, you are in luck.

    Post GTDRI II, d.p. and I were lamenting the fact that we had to cut the course short to make it on scheduled time. We decided to re-attempt the route on October 27th, 2007. Then after discussing this with a few blokes thinking about T.I.V4, we realized it might just be a fun way to get a bunch of like minded folks out and use the ride as a kick off to your winter training for T.I.V4. Or not...............maybe you just want to ride it for fun. That's okay too.

    We'll be meeting in Marengo, Iowa early in the morning, so lights will be required. We probaly won't get back in till after dark either, so be prepared. More on times and route cues later on the T.I.V4 website.
    Might want to leave the plumage off your helmet for this one. Coinciding with the opening day of pheasant season.

    postscript: The course is well marked w/ empty Busch Lite cans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib

    postscript: The course is well marked w/ empty Busch Lite cans.
    That's how T.roy and I new were weren't lost/off course this year.

    Oct 27th huh? Might have to venture up for Halloween Iowa style!

    -thad

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    ... and if we just ...

    Where can a guy find a place to stay near Marengo? Williamsburg ok or should I be looking elsewhere?

    Also, how much lighting equipment should a guy bring along? Just something for the bars or do you guys think a person should have more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    Where can a guy find a place to stay near Marengo? Williamsburg ok or should I be looking elsewhere?

    Also, how much lighting equipment should a guy bring along? Just something for the bars or do you guys think a person should have more?

    Thanks in advance.
    I should preface by saying I'm not associated with any reputable lodging of any form, any where, or any time.


    The closest is the Sudbury here in Marengo.
    http://www.sudburymotelandrv.com/
    Williamsburg is about 15 miles, the lodging for the Amana Colonie$ is probably 10 miles or so.
    http://www.amanacolonies.org/lodging.htm
    Iowa City/Coralville and other communities geographically located to take full finacial advantage of the college sports markets are about 30 miles away.

    I'd guess 3 or 4 hrs of lighting and whatever your comfortable w/ on descents of around 35 mph or so. We origionally looked at the 27th because of the full moon. I've ridden most of the course under those conditions with a small cateye bar mounted light but I wasn't looking for road signs or at maps either.
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    bump...

    By the looks of it this is still on for the end for October.
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    If you mean the T.I. Tune Up ride, yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    bump...

    By the looks of it this is still on for the end for October.
    Just catching up after Interbike. I'll be getting details out soon!
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    Good job!

    Yes, the T.I. tune up ride.

    I'll be coming down from WI to ride with you guys.
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    I got demons to deal with after last years DNF. I learned alot (eat real food, don't carry all your crap on your back, ask before you start nabbin water from a locals spicket). Just sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to send the postcard...
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    Details of the tuneup ride

    October 27th @ 6 a.m. Meet on the east side of the square in Marengo, Iowa.

    Trans Iowa Tuneup Route is Here

    The route is the REVERSE of the GTDRI route so we’ll start with a couple of rollers and end with a painfully flat (no relief for the weary) 17 mile stretch.
    If you expand the left sidebar, you can access the details on the route. Click on the "route preview" and you will get the turn by turn directions. Note: It's up to you to print these out! These are printing out quite nicely to be trimmed to fit most map cases, so you can get everything pre-arranged before hitting the road with us at 6 a.m., October 27. Also, we will be riding NORTH out of Marengo in a anti-clockwise fashion, so you can follow those printed directions on a map at home if you want to.

    Sunrise will be at 7:34 and sunset at 6:38 p.m. so you’ll need lights for the first bit of the ride. Moonset will be at 9:38 a.m. and Moonrise at 6:53 p.m. according to the US Naval Observatory.

    We’ll pass through a town (Toledo) with a convenience store in mile 42. There are possibilities for supplies in other towns but the stores are off route.

    Hope to see you there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    I got demons to deal with after last years DNF. I learned alot (eat real food, don't carry all your crap on your back, ask before you start nabbin water from a locals spicket). Just sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to send the postcard...
    I'm sure you're not the only guy out there who has something to finish in Iowa, I'm betting there will be a lot of that. I'm gonna sound really corny here but it could change your outlook on life....at least it did for me. Because really, it's impossible to ride 330 miles (or 350?) on gravel roads on a bicycle, everybody knows that (duh!). But one turn at a time, one page at a time, and before you even know it the finish will be in sight.

    yeah, I'm ready to send in postcards again too...

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    Demons!?

    You think you've got demons? How about 3 years and 3 DNFs. And I am not getting any younger. Time is running out on me. If I don't get this puppy whacked off soon my only chance will be on a tandem with Ira (TI is a walk in the park) Ryan.

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    So..... Are we going to get shot at during this ride?

    I just made reservations at the Sudbury and she asked me how many dogs I would have with me because it will be some sort of hunting season there. Hopefully it won't be an issue.

    Just an FYI, the Sudbury does have a couple of rooms yet for the preride weekend. So if you are looking to get a place, you might want to hurry up and commit to this place.

    I'm really looking forward to this. It will be nice to meet some of you and to do some long distance riding.

    As my friends have gotten used to hearing.... What kinda tires are you guys going to run? Can we get away with a low profile or should we just figure on your basic all terrain tire?
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    Looking forward to meeting you.

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    So..... Are we going to get shot at during this ride?
    If I say its safe to surf this beach Captain, then its safe to surf this beach.

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    As my friends have gotten used to hearing.... What kinda tires are you guys going to run? Can we get away with a low profile or should we just figure on your basic all terrain tire?
    The coarse has several different types of roads; double track, garden variety farm to market gravel, dirt/mud and sand etc. so there probably isn't a perfect tire. That said, there isn't anything much resembling anything technical, unless it gets wet. I'll probably run 29x2.1's for comfort since I'm mid 40's, slow, and have wasted a lot of testosterone on male pattern baldness.

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    but more of a mountain bike than a cross bike? or is cx bike a good choice?
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    Depends

    Quote Originally Posted by markf
    but more of a mountain bike than a cross bike? or is cx bike a good choice?
    The ultimate "go fast" choice would be a cross rig with 40-42mm tires. Want to be comfortable? Ride 2.1" rubber with a fast tread pattern, ala Nanoraptors. Of course, none of this matters if it rains like it did in August. Then the best bike in the group was a Surly 1X1 with Large Marge rims shod with 3.0" Nokians! The tires floated right up above the mush!

    Trans Iowa is always a crap shoot and a lot depends upon your goals. Going for the win? Just want to finish it? That will determine much of your basic equipment choices right there.

    That's what makes this ride so informative and worthwhile for you guys. It's T.I. in microcosm. You'll figure out a lot and it's not so long you'll get in trouble if you screw up on your choices.

    Sounds like blaze orange will be the color of choice that day though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markf
    but more of a mountain bike than a cross bike? or is cx bike a good choice?
    Last year (TIv3) I rode a Cross Check with 1.8 mountain tires. It was heavy, lotsa rotation weight. However, on some of the descents at the start, it was nice to have the wide tires and it was much cushier than 32c cross tire over time. However, this year I plan to roll 32c and take the beating. J5 (a team mate and fellow TIv3 racer) agrees with me that 700/29er diameter are the way to go. Looks like we will have a couple months of "what are you gunna ride? Here is my gear choice." to pass the time until next april-ish.
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    Something else to put under yer hat this winter

    Here's a couple of things to keep in mind over the winter months that might be interesting.

    #1. Gravel Triple Crown? Is this an interesting concept to anyone? There is talk of somehow making a challenge out of doing the T.I.V4/ Dirty Kanza 200/ (Event Yet To Be Announced in Nebraska) Riders would be chasing "mileage points" and the highest # of points, or in the case of a tie, the one who won or placed highest consistently amongst all top mileage finishers would be dubbed the Gravel King/Queen of 2008. Sound like fun? Suggestions? Stupid idea? We want to know!

    #2. There is an event in southern Minnesota on gravel that wants to be a "warm up" type of event for T.I.V4. I'll get more details, but what I know now is that this event will likely be very "T.I.-like" and be a 100 miles of gravel goodness in rolly-polly southeastern Minnesota. It is slated to take place two weeks prior to T.I., so that should work out as a great event for ramping up for Trans Iowa. I'll post more as details become available.

    I'll post more here on any of these ideas as I get more details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Here's a couple of things to keep in mind over the winter months that might be interesting.

    #1. Gravel Triple Crown? Is this an interesting concept to anyone? There is talk of somehow making a challenge out of doing the T.I.V4/ Dirty Kanza 200/ (Event Yet To Be Announced in Nebraska) Riders would be chasing "mileage points" and the highest # of points, or in the case of a tie, the one who won or placed highest consistently amongst all top mileage finishers would be dubbed the Gravel King/Queen of 2008. Sound like fun? Suggestions? Stupid idea? We want to know!

    #2. There is an event in southern Minnesota on gravel that wants to be a "warm up" type of event for T.I.V4. I'll get more details, but what I know now is that this event will likely be very "T.I.-like" and be a 100 miles of gravel goodness in rolly-polly southeastern Minnesota. It is slated to take place two weeks prior to T.I., so that should work out as a great event for ramping up for Trans Iowa. I'll post more as details become available.

    I'll post more here on any of these ideas as I get more details.
    I love the idea of a tripple crown however with my 3rd try of the gdr this summer not sure how that well fit... but i'll be watching this idea closely

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    Tires/gearing

    Last year I rolled true 1.75" wide 26" kenda klimax lites. MTB based SS with 40/18 gearing. I considered that perfect for last year's course but I also couldn't hang with hannon/ira too long at 30mph. I was spun OUT. Considering the course is a surprise every year I'd be cautious about going too narrow and gearing too high if you want to finish. If you're racing to win/place then you don't really need any advice now do you? If I come back there is a very good chance I would come fixed or on a geared cross bike. The geared cross bike holds the most appeal but I don't even have one right now that I could ride

    Gravel triple crown? Very cool idea. I couldn't really commit to doing it yet considering I have 2 big 2008 races I haven't made up my mind on yet but I like the idea a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Last year I rolled true 1.75" wide 26" kenda klimax lites.
    I ran a 26X2.4" wtb mutanoraptor in the back, a 29X2.0" Stans Crow up front, both tubeless. Ran 25psi both ends. Seemed to roll just fine, never felt "slow", plenty of cush. This year I'm going with Crows on both ends...not sure about size in back but going 29" again up front. Seems to me you do not lose anything with a soft, small knob, supple 2" wide tire, I'd bet it's faster than a 30c cross tire on gravel.

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    #1-yes, that does sound quite cool.

    #2-would the MN ride be the same folks who put on the Almanzo 100? And why not invite them to party and make it a quad crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdeutsch
    #1-yes, that does sound quite cool.
    Oh yeah, this does sound cool but how about an award or something for all who finish, not just the "winner". Maybe a listing of the triple crown finishers like in the PBP....the "ancients" (spelled differently I'm sure) or something

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    Some other points

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    Oh yeah, this does sound cool but how about an award or something for all who finish, not just the "winner". Maybe a listing of the triple crown finishers like in the PBP....the "ancients" (spelled differently I'm sure) or something
    Keep in mind that these events are still autonomous of each other, and.....one doesn't even exist yet!

    So, this whole "Triple Crown" idea is really just that.....an idea. We're inviting your commentary on what you think it might look like. I'm just officiating the debate on it.

    Here's some other points to consider: What if no one finishes an event, ala T.I.V2. How do you determine mileages covered? How do you call an event due to poor conditions/danger when so-and-so is wanting to get as many miles as possible towards his triple crown quest? How does the idea fit into events that are autonomous, and not impose an outside set of rules/governance for the Triple Crown?

    Another thing: Does it automatically become a "series" and get things "more serious" and ruin the "feel" of DK-200 or T.I. ? (Guys, if you've been there, you know how to answer this one)

    We're looking at this idea as having as about as many positives as negatives and we're still lookin' things over. Everything is on the table in regards to this. The last thing the guys that put on these events want is to ruin what we already have going.

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    The one question that I would have in regards to the triple crown thing would be: Are you trying to grow your events or are you just trying to have fun? Because once you have a triple crown thing all of a sudden it gets to be real serious stuff for some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    The one question that I would have in regards to the triple crown thing would be: Are you trying to grow your events or are you just trying to have fun? Because once you have a triple crown thing all of a sudden it gets to be real serious stuff for some.
    Hey, "Squid"...

    Excellent point!!! I think I can speak for both GT and myself and say that we are both VERY sensitive about the specific point you raise here, and therefore appreciate you asking this question. If there is one aspect of our events that we want to safeguard, it is the "fun" nature of the events. The last thing we want to do is turn or events into just another testosterone fest.

    The singular objective of the "Triple Crown" idea is to grow the sport... and more specifically, to grow the endurance gravel grinder aspect of cycling. We want to somehow encourage those attending one event, to attend more of the same types of events in the same season. I guess the question is, then, how do we achieve that objective? Is it with a Triple Crown? Or is there a better way?

    Everyone... please keep your comments coming.

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    I keep finding myself asking the question: "Why am I so morbidly curious about the TransIowa?"

    I think there is something about being reduced to a level of suffering that makes many of the hardships of daily life comparatively easy to endure.

    I thought last year while doing it that it would be my only participation. Once would be enough. But, there have been so many times this summer when I have found myself riding a bike, rethinking approach... Wondering when I do it again if I'll try using one of those clever ratcheting devices that allows one to coast. Wondering if there might be some sense in using one of those devices to switch between gear combinations with a remotely located cable actuating lever of some variety.

    Hmmmm... fortunately there is plenty of time to think about options. Something on the horizon to keep motivated while riding all winter (dare I say that word so early.) Based on the growth rate of what amounts to only 1/2 of a toenail on my left foot, it might be fully grown just in time for next year?

    I'd love to make it to the ride in October, but I unfortunately don't see it happening. Good luck to those who participate. I hope to see some of you again in April

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    Last year (TIv3) I rode a Cross Check with 1.8 mountain tires. It was heavy, lotsa rotation weight. However, on some of the descents at the start, it was nice to have the wide tires and it was much cushier than 32c cross tire over time. However, this year I plan to roll 32c and take the beating. J5 (a team mate and fellow TIv3 racer) agrees with me that 700/29er diameter are the way to go. Looks like we will have a couple months of "what are you gunna ride? Here is my gear choice." to pass the time until next april-ish.
    For TIV3 I rode 30 mm cyclocross tires on a very upright Chester MTB with drop bars. While it rolled well, I don't plan to run anything as long as TI with tires that narrow. Why? I had complete numbness in some fingers for a week and lessening numbness over the course of months. The tips of my fingers have only recently stopped having a constant tingling. I would guess I had 3 months of symptoms.

    G-Ted warned of similar results for other racers in previous years, and I accepted the risk and paid the penalty. Because I know this kind of nerve damage can become permanent if bad enough, I won't be doing things this way again for this kind of distance on gravel. If I do TI again I will use something 40 mm or wider. I don't expect to get as good of results with fatter tires, but my body will thank me. Besides, I now have an inhaler, so maybe I can offset the heavier rotational weight by preventing an 8 hour bout with exercise induced asthma!!

    In other injuries completely unrelated to tires but related to other gear, I lost the toenails of both big toes. When I ride I tend to unconsciously force my toes up and into the toe of my shoe. I often blow holes in my socks and shoes. This is fine for short rides, but not for 310 miles! I have since bought and ridden some wonderful Shimano sandals that should eliminate any toe issues, but could potentially cause other pressure point issues to surface over the course of ~30 hours of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Hog
    Hey, "Squid"...

    Excellent point!!! I think I can speak for both GT and myself and say that we are both VERY sensitive about the specific point you raise here, and therefore appreciate you asking this question. If there is one aspect of our events that we want to safeguard, it is the "fun" nature of the events. The last thing we want to do is turn or events into just another testosterone fest.
    It's hard to not "compete" when you're in a "race", and only one person "wins", the rest are "losers" Let's face it, most of us are not in contention to win any kind of cycling event-I mean, even in the 40+ 29" clydesdale single speed class there'll be some 201# guy that will kick my a$$ LOL!

    But doing something pretty unbelievable, like riding 300 miles of gravel in one shot, that *is* possible for a lot of us, maybe most of us. And in the grand scheme of things, what is neater, finishing in the top 10 in your local mtb race or (just) finishing a 200 mile gravel road event?

    Leadville has it's belt buckles, if you're into road riding you can go for your Super Randonneur pin or maybe finish the PBP or BMB, maybe these gravel races need something like this or maybe finishing all 3 events could get you some kind of recognition. Something to change it from "man verses man" to "man verses nature" or "man verses himself" (or maybe even "man verses the race organizer LOL!).

    Or maybe "we're trying to make it" instead of "I'm trying to beat you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Keep in mind that these events are still autonomous of each other, and.....one doesn't even exist yet!

    So, this whole "Triple Crown" idea is really just that.....an idea. We're inviting your commentary on what you think it might look like. I'm just officiating the debate on it.

    Here's some other points to consider: What if no one finishes an event, ala T.I.V2. How do you determine mileages covered? How do you call an event due to poor conditions/danger when so-and-so is wanting to get as many miles as possible towards his triple crown quest? How does the idea fit into events that are autonomous, and not impose an outside set of rules/governance for the Triple Crown?

    Another thing: Does it automatically become a "series" and get things "more serious" and ruin the "feel" of DK-200 or T.I. ? (Guys, if you've been there, you know how to answer this one)

    We're looking at this idea as having as about as many positives as negatives and we're still lookin' things over. Everything is on the table in regards to this. The last thing the guys that put on these events want is to ruin what we already have going.

    Okay, discuss amongst yerselves!

    more TI i ran 700x38 smooth-ish hybrid tires on a CX bike. if i can swing this fall ride i'll probably bring the SS mtb and figure out a gear to push, thinking 32x13.

    //edit: not quite the g-ted post i thought i quoted. i'd support a series, might be fun. how about belt buckles or hats or something if you finish each one and a better, fancier thing if you do all 3,4,whatever number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    It's hard to not "compete" when you're in a "race", and only one person "wins", the rest are "losers" Let's face it, most of us are not in contention to win any kind of cycling event-I mean, even in the 40+ 29" clydesdale single speed class there'll be some 201# guy that will kick my a$$ LOL!

    But doing something pretty unbelievable, like riding 300 miles of gravel in one shot, that *is* possible for a lot of us, maybe most of us. And in the grand scheme of things, what is neater, finishing in the top 10 in your local mtb race or (just) finishing a 200 mile gravel road event?

    Leadville has it's belt buckles, if you're into road riding you can go for your Super Randonneur pin or maybe finish the PBP or BMB, maybe these gravel races need something like this or maybe finishing all 3 events could get you some kind of recognition. Something to change it from "man verses man" to "man verses nature" or "man verses himself" (or maybe even "man verses the race organizer LOL!).

    Or maybe "we're trying to make it" instead of "I'm trying to beat you"
    "Super Randonneur pin"

    I like that. Maybe we do a pin instead of a triple crown?!!
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    The coarse has several different types of roads; double track, garden variety farm to market gravel, dirt/mud and sand etc. so there probably isn't a perfect tire. That said, there isn't anything much resembling anything technical, unless it gets wet. I'll probably run 29x2.1's for comfort since I'm mid 40's, slow, and have wasted a lot of testosterone on male pattern baldness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markf
    more TI i ran 700x38 smooth-ish hybrid tires on a CX bike. if i can swing this fall ride i'll probably bring the SS mtb and figure out a gear to push, thinking 32x13.

    //edit: not quite the g-ted post i thought i quoted. i'd support a series, might be fun. how about belt buckles or hats or something if you finish each one and a better, fancier thing if you do all 3,4,whatever number.
    OTOH, I really liked the price of TIV3. Not sure that G-Ted et al. intend to continue that tradition, but I can only imagine that it would be more difficult to do the fancier the prize. Custom belt buckles? That can't be cheap. Especially when you figure at least a 50% non-completion rate for each stage. Assuming that is distributed randomly and that each racer has a 50% chance of finishing each stage (a huge assumption), only about 13 people from a total of 100 entrants would be expected to finish all three. Not a whole lot of economy of scale in making 13 custom pins or belt buckles!

    In the interest of keeping costs down, I propose the following. After each race, all race finishers get a zip lock bag filled with excess gravel the race organizers borrow from the side of their respective roads.

    Before the start of the third race the finishers of the first two stages would bring their two baggies to the final awards ceremony, along with a mason jar brought from home. During the race the final organizer would pour the contents of the first two bags of gravel into the jar, then add their own gravel for their race. At the awards ceremony the organizer would present the gravel filled jars to the finishers. Assuming the gravel is slightly different shades for each state, the jars should be filled with three different colored layers of gravel.

    Total cost to each racer would be one mason jar. Total cost to the first two organizers would be one baggie per competitor. Total cost to the third organizer would be the time it takes to set the jars up. And to me, a jar filled with gravel from each race I did would be worth as much as a belt buckle.

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    buckles might not be cheap, but how about cycling caps? surely we could find a sponsor who'd donate some hats, and then a custom finishers logo could be put on the few that need it?
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    I don't mean to ba a "Negative Nancy", but....

    How's about we figure out how the triple crown would work first before we get to prizing, hmmm?


    The last thing any of us promoters are worried about is prizing. That's the easy part, really.

    How to integrate this idea into three different, autonomous events is the question at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    How's about we figure out how the triple crown would work first before we get to prizing, hmmm?


    The last thing any of us promoters are worried about is prizing. That's the easy part, really.

    How to integrate this idea into three different, autonomous events is the question at hand.

    Thanks!
    G-Ted, you know me. Throw out a question asking for opinions and I have to jump in. I just wanted to put my $0.02 in to say that I hope that any awards are basic, cheap, and don't drive the price up.

    Right now you have between 2 and 4 events. Trans Iowa and Dirty Kanza are definites. My guess is that the Nebraska ride is the EnduroSnob Epic, but who knows. The Minnesota one is likely the Alfanzo ride out of Rochester, but again, who knows.

    I see three options. There may of course be more that I am not thinking about, but to start the conversation, here goes.

    1. Completion. Complete the rides, officially finishing all three (or four) and get "crowned".

    -Strengths- Less competitive. Everyone can be a winner if they try hard enough and finish it. You could theoretically have 100 people get crowned.
    -Weaknesses- Less competitive. Has opportunity to lose the race feel.

    2. Competition.
    2a. Time based. Add the time from all three (four) events, score accordingly.

    -Strengths- An epic finish one day can offset a tanking performance on another.
    -Weaknesses- More difficult to track.

    2b. Omnium based. Add the placings from all three (four) events, score accordingly.

    -Strengths- Very easy to track. Points for each placing, and whoever has the most points wins. Winning by 5 feet in a sprint is as significant as winning by an hour.
    -Weaknesses- Lessens competitiveness if you know you are ahead of someone or too far behind to catch up. Less "digging deep" to put more time into someone for the overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    1. Completion. Complete the rides, officially finishing all three (or four) and get "crowned".

    -Strengths- Less competitive. Everyone can be a winner if they try hard enough and finish it. You could theoretically have 100 people get crowned.
    -Weaknesses- Less competitive. Has opportunity to lose the race feel.
    Well those three options sum it up nicely!

    So for my opinion, gimmie #1 all the way. The finely tuned athlete putting in an amazing performance, blah blah, who really cares? Heck, with the right drugs and a decade (or two) ago and even I could'a been a condender!. But the common man, just like you and me, slogs out mile after mile, now that is impressive! It's 200-300+ miles per race for god's sake! Man takes on the impossible....and prevails! Give that guy a belt buckle or put his name in the sacred book, whatever, you finish this incredible challenge and it will be remembered, each and every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    2b. Omnium based. Add the placings from all three (four) events, score accordingly.

    -Strengths- Very easy to track. Points for each placing, and whoever has the most points wins. Winning by 5 feet in a sprint is as significant as winning by an hour.
    -Weaknesses- Lessens competitiveness if you know you are ahead of someone or too far behind to catch up. Less "digging deep" to put more time into someone for the overall.
    Assuming a competition rather than completion, I thought of a few additional benefits to omnium versus time. With time every racer would be required to come to and complete every race. With omnium points it allows some flexibility both on the parts of the racers as well as the organizers.

    For an example of flexibility for the riders, let's say I have something going on for one of the races that I just can't get out of. A wedding or a funeral or something. With time scoring I would automatically be disqualified if I didn't make one race. With points, I would simply lose the points for that event. If I did really well for one event and didn't show for another, it would be possible to get an intermediate overall score.

    For an example of flexibility for the organizers, imagine if something like what happened at TIv2 occurred at one of the races. A situation where zero people were able to finish due to overly difficult weather. With scoring based on times, the whole triple crown idea would be killed for every racer. There would be no winners whatsoever. With points the organizers would have options that they could choose from. For instance, in the event of no one completing they could give points according to who made it what distance, scoring by distance rather than time. This could be done in different ways. For instance, a point for every so many miles travelled, or points based puerly on who made it the furthest, the second furthest, the third furthest, etc. IMHO, the biggest difficulty in this would be making these rules clear to everyone prior to the start, knowing when to pull the trigger on the alternate scoring, and being able to inform all racers mid-race that the alternate scoring is in effect.

    Additionally, omnium points would allow the organizers to score the races differently based on difficulty or prestige. The 100 mile race in Minnesota may be scored differently than the 310 mile race in Iowa, for instance. Winning the Minnesota race may only be worth, say, 50 points, while winning the Iowa race may be worth 200.

    Additional qualifying rules could be thrown in. For instance, the overall winner may be the person with the most points, but has to have competed (finished?) in at least 3 of the 4 events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Assuming a competition rather than completion, I thought of a few additional benefits to omnium versus time. With time every racer would be required to come to and complete every race. With omnium points it allows some flexibility both on the parts of the racers as well as the organizers.

    For an example of flexibility for the riders, let's say I have something going on for one of the races that I just can't get out of. A wedding or a funeral or something. With time scoring I would automatically be disqualified if I didn't make one race. With points, I would simply lose the points for that event. If I did really well for one event and didn't show for another, it would be possible to get an intermediate overall score.

    For an example of flexibility for the organizers, imagine if something like what happened at TIv2 occurred at one of the races. A situation where zero people were able to finish due to overly difficult weather. With scoring based on times, the whole triple crown idea would be killed for every racer. There would be no winners whatsoever. With points the organizers would have options that they could choose from. For instance, in the event of no one completing they could give points according to who made it what distance, scoring by distance rather than time. This could be done in different ways. For instance, a point for every so many miles travelled, or points based puerly on who made it the furthest, the second furthest, the third furthest, etc. IMHO, the biggest difficulty in this would be making these rules clear to everyone prior to the start, knowing when to pull the trigger on the alternate scoring, and being able to inform all racers mid-race that the alternate scoring is in effect.

    Additionally, omnium points would allow the organizers to score the races differently based on difficulty or prestige. The 100 mile race in Minnesota may be scored differently than the 310 mile race in Iowa, for instance. Winning the Minnesota race may only be worth, say, 50 points, while winning the Iowa race may be worth 200.

    Additional qualifying rules could be thrown in. For instance, the overall winner may be the person with the most points, but has to have competed (finished?) in at least 3 of the 4 events.
    Yikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    Yikes!
    Sorry if that was too big a mouthful. It probably sounds more complicated than it should be because I gave about 3 options for every step. It was written too open ended.

    What if narrowed it down and said this:

    200 points to the winner of Trans Iowa, Dirty Kanza, and Endurosnob Epic. Scores drop with lower placements.
    50 points to the winner of Alfanzo. Alfanzo sounds like it is meant to be lower key, but by giving it points it gives it "extra credit" status.

    In the event that no one completes a race, the person who goes the furthest will receive 100 points (25 for Alfanzo). Scores drop with lower placements.

    Racers must complete at least 3 of the above 4 races, but scores from all 4 will be added.

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    Pansy answer

    I am certainly one of the many people (I would guess) that just hope to be able to finish Trans Iowa. Why not have awards for the people that finish all three. There will undoubtedly be very few. Think of DK and TI this year. Aren't The Snob and Matt Wells the only one's that finished both this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    How's about we figure out how the triple crown would work first before we get to prizing, hmmm?


    The last thing any of us promoters are worried about is prizing. That's the easy part, really.

    How to integrate this idea into three different, autonomous events is the question at hand.

    Thanks!
    Probably wouldn't work for 2008 but if the events could be run shortest first, maybe 2 weeks in between, then each race would be a little like preparation for the next, kinda like a brevet series. Plus each one would be a bigger challenge, increasing as the series progressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulclimb510
    I am certainly one of the many people (I would guess) that just hope to be able to finish Trans Iowa. Why not have awards for the people that finish all three. There will undoubtedly be very few. Think of DK and TI this year. Aren't The Snob and Matt Wells the only one's that finished both this year?

    Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    Probably wouldn't work for 2008 but if the events could be run shortest first, maybe 2 weeks in between, then each race would be a little like preparation for the next, kinda like a brevet series. Plus each one would be a bigger challenge, increasing as the series progressed.

    No, I'm not French!

    Makes sense to me (aside from the French part). I'm curious how the field demographics would work. Registration preference for the "whole series" registrants?

    Speaking of demographics, Leslie Holt http://www.heartlandrace.com/gallery...?g2_itemId=789 finished DK this year.
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    Holy complicated batman....

    I'm guessing that none of the promoters want to make the scoring system for "triple-crown" a logistical nightmare. They don't need anymore work than they alreay have!

    Triple crown scoring: Finish all three and get crowned. No finishers at a given event (ala TIV2) means nobody gets crowned.

    Sound simple? It is. It's meant to be that way. No reason to complicate "simple" events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbaryenbruch
    I'm guessing that none of the promoters want to make the scoring system for "triple-crown" a logistical nightmare. They don't need anymore work than they alreay have!

    Triple crown scoring: Finish all three and get crowned. No finishers at a given event (ala TIV2) means nobody gets crowned.

    Sound simple? It is. It's meant to be that way. No reason to complicate "simple" events.

    Bear
    1: Do we want the triple crown series or do we want the three separate events to stand on their own?
    2: If we have a series, should it be based on completion or be competitive with placings?
    2A: If we have a completion series, how would it work?
    2B: If we have a competition series, how would it work?

    Question 1 is on its way to being answered. Every response so far has been for a series.

    Question 2 is also on its way to being answered. Every response has been for a completion goal rather than a competitive one. And figuring out how to do a completion series is pretty easy: You complete it. So maybe the discussion can come to a close soon and we don't need to think about how we would manage a competitive series.

    BUT, if we DID want to do a competitive series, how would we do it? For an example of how the Minnesota Cycling Federation has used a point system for the last eight years to tie a set of independent races into a series for their Racer Of the Year (ROY), see

    http://www.mcf.net/ROYResults.php

    For Minnesota's ROY series you go to a bunch of races, earn points, and the person with the most points at the end of the series wins. For us to use the same system wouldn't be a logistical nightmare unless you have a problem using a calculator to add three numbers together.

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    Can't we all just ride?

    I guess I don't need to be rewarded with a pin, a hat, a crown, a bottle of Stranahan's (okay, maybe I would like that) for entering/completing/placing/winning any of these endurance tests. The ride (and the comradeship before, during, and after) is the reward for me.

    Having said that, if the organizers of TI and DK and future gravel grinder organizers really want to come up with a system for ranking riders, that's fine by me too.

    I just want to finish one of these damn things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbaryenbruch
    I'm guessing that none of the promoters want to make the scoring system for "triple-crown" a logistical nightmare. They don't need anymore work than they alreay have!

    Triple crown scoring: Finish all three and get crowned. No finishers at a given event (ala TIV2) means nobody gets crowned.

    Sound simple? It is. It's meant to be that way. No reason to complicate "simple" events.

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    Amen! I like the way you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calegaryj
    I guess I don't need to be rewarded with a pin, a hat, a crown, a bottle of Stranahan's (okay, maybe I would like that) for entering/completing/placing/winning any of these endurance tests. The ride (and the comradeship before, during, and after) is the reward for me.
    This is a great point. We as event organizers feel much the same way. That said, we also like to have you guys get recognition for your efforts. Balancing that with the "ride and the comradeship before, during, and after" is a tough thing to foster in these underground events. Simplicity usually works best.

    Having said that, if the organizers of TI and DK and future gravel grinder organizers really want to come up with a system for ranking riders, that's fine by me too.
    It's not that we want to have a series, rank riders, or foster more competition. It's more about bringing you, the event participant, more recognition and to cultivate the "gravel grinding culture" that we as event organizers feel is something that is happening here in the Mid-West. We love riding gravel and want to spread the love around. A "triple crown" creates a way for us to grow interest, (possibly) in the gravel riding scene.

    Maybe like the after event happenings, it's useless to try and help it along. Maybe we should just keep our hands off this and let it do what it's going to do. Maybe it turns into something else entirely. Whatever. We want it to be driven by you guys and gals out there, not so much by what we as promoters/facilitators of these events think it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    OTOH, I really liked the price of TIV3. Not sure that G-Ted et al. intend to continue that tradition, but I can only imagine that it would be more difficult to do the fancier the prize. Custom belt buckles? That can't be cheap. Especially when you figure at least a 50% non-completion rate for each stage. Assuming that is distributed randomly and that each racer has a 50% chance of finishing each stage (a huge assumption), only about 13 people from a total of 100 entrants would be expected to finish all three. Not a whole lot of economy of scale in making 13 custom pins or belt buckles!

    In the interest of keeping costs down, I propose the following. After each race, all race finishers get a zip lock bag filled with excess gravel the race organizers borrow from the side of their respective roads.

    Before the start of the third race the finishers of the first two stages would bring their two baggies to the final awards ceremony, along with a mason jar brought from home. During the race the final organizer would pour the contents of the first two bags of gravel into the jar, then add their own gravel for their race. At the awards ceremony the organizer would present the gravel filled jars to the finishers. Assuming the gravel is slightly different shades for each state, the jars should be filled with three different colored layers of gravel.

    Total cost to each racer would be one mason jar. Total cost to the first two organizers would be one baggie per competitor. Total cost to the third organizer would be the time it takes to set the jars up. And to me, a jar filled with gravel from each race I did would be worth as much as a belt buckle.
    That's one of the coolest ideas I've heard.. provided the gravel is slightly different shades it'd make a cool shop/garage/house/whatever ornament. You could even get "spendy" and slap a logo on said jar..

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    We've got two 24-hour races here in the PNW and both are in jeopardy of being no more and there is scant interest in races like TI or DK up here. I want to throw my hat in the ring for one of these events, and I still might, but it'd sure be nice if there were some similar events out here near Seattle to use as a warmup. I'm jealous of that comaraderie you guys have.

    Anyway, as for GT's questions:

    I would say to keep it simple. Those hoping/wishing/crawling to the finish of just one will be happy with the knowledge of their accomplishment. Those looking to win a Triple Crown will/should accept nothing less from them and their competition than completion of all three. Life happens, no doubt. But what I do know about these type of events is that there are no excuses. You put up or you go home. If you want the Triple Crown badly enough then a wedding, job interview, funeral, dog-eating-your-homework isn't going to stop you. And if it does, we understand, we feel your pain, and we look forward to seeing you try again next year. Same goes for injuries. Part of the challenge in something like this would be overcoming the life hurdles along the way and finding the time to actually attempt it. Turning the pedals may prove easier than getting the travel time to do it.

    As for prizes (doh, I went there) my vote would be for engaved stem caps. They're cheap, they're one-of-a-kind and you'd have that awesome reminder everytime you looked down at your handleabars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnduroDoug
    As for prizes (doh, I went there) my vote would be for engaved stem caps. They're cheap, they're one-of-a-kind and you'd have that awesome reminder everytime you looked down at your handleabars.
    I love that idea.

    To me a prize worth the most is not one based on its value, but on the memories it jars. For example, the last thing I would want would be a cash payout. A memory like this top cap idea that you take with you on every ride would be cool. A memory that others will ask about (hey, where did you get that top cap?!) would be even cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    I love that idea.

    To me a prize worth the most is not one based on its value, but on the memories it jars. For example, the last thing I would want would be a cash payout. A memory like this top cap idea that you take with you on every ride would be cool. A memory that others will ask about (hey, where did you get that top cap?!) would be even cooler.
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    Whoops!

    It has been pointed out to me that I put down the wrong number for the address to send out you post cards!

    I have corrected the website to reflect this.

    I do not think it has affected anyone as of yet, since we have recieved over a half dozen entries already with the incorrect # on the address!

    Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It has been pointed out to me that I put down the wrong number for the address to send out you post cards!

    I have corrected the website to reflect this.

    I do not think it has affected anyone as of yet, since we have recieved over a half dozen entries already with the incorrect # on the address!

    Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.
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    Doh! Sent out the mail Saturday morning before I read this. Could you please Email everyone as they arrive to confirm your receipt of their entries?

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    I mailed my postcard on Friday... Hopefully the mail carrier has some ambition to get it to Europa since the street is correct. Thanks for the correction GT.

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    Not necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    G-Ted,

    Doh! Sent out the mail Saturday morning before I read this. Could you please Email everyone as they arrive to confirm your receipt of their entries?
    As I said, your name will show up on the roster the day I recieve the card. Just check the site.

    A little added mental grief should just be chalked up to mental toughness training that you wouldn't have ordinarily gotten............for free!

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    Shouldn't be a problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoletrain
    I mailed my postcard on Friday... Hopefully the mail carrier has some ambition to get it to Europa since the street is correct. Thanks for the correction GT.

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    As I have said, we have recieved several cards with the wrong # on the address already, so I'll bet yours shows up just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    As I said, your name will show up on the roster the day I recieve the card. Just check the site.

    A little added mental grief should just be chalked up to mental toughness training that you wouldn't have ordinarily gotten............for free!

    Just one of the ways we here at Trans Iowa are working to make sure your experience is of high quality!
    Ah. I just went back to the TIv4 site and saw that you have a separate roster page. I hadn't noticed that before.

    I will check there. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Ah. I just went back to the TIv4 site and saw that you have a separate roster page. I hadn't noticed that before.

    I will check there. Thanks for the heads up.
    You are welcome!

    OT: I'll be interested to see what you come up with for grips on your drop bars. I have entertained very similar ideas to yours, but I have not ever acted on them.
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    Home made drop bar grips

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    You are welcome!

    OT: I'll be interested to see what you come up with for grips on your drop bars. I have entertained very similar ideas to yours, but I have not ever acted on them.
    Finished them up today. I used some goofy red and blue Cinelli tape I got on clearance at the LBS for $4.

    The shape fits great in my hand and is "adjustable on the fly". If I move forward I get less to hold onto, if I move back I get more. If my hands get real tired I will move back, and if things get dicey I will move forward. Another interesting thing is that when I need to access the brakes I am forward, and there there is no widening of the bar at all right there. It feels totally normal when braking.

    This is the first time I have ever worked with fiberglass, but it wasn't too hard. My only concern is that I am not sure if these are strong enough to handle any and all abuse. I have many layers and used the better part of 8 square feet of fiberglass matt in these, so I think it will be ok. I haven't tried anything real crazy offroad, but really jamming on them to see if they budge shows them to be pretty solid.

    Another unlikely problem is that it might be a bit of a chore to remove the levers, if I ever needed to. I would likely have to remove the lever from the front of the bar by totally unscrewing the bolt. A replacement lever would then screw onto the old mounting hardware.

    One other thing you can't see from this picture (just used the last of the juice from the camera) is that the flat, wide part of the bar is angled slightly down and away from the bike. This was to follow the natural resting position of the hand.
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    A Question For All Ya'all.....

    (First of all, thanks Morlahach for the pics of your grips and the inspiration for this question)

    How many of you guys are still running your stick on number from T.I.V3 on your bike? I see the one here on Moralahach's rig, and I know of one other guy that still has his on.

    How many of you still have that # on your rig?

    By the way, we're using the same type of stick on numbers again this year, just so you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    (First of all, thanks Morlahach for the pics of your grips and the inspiration for this question)

    How many of you guys are still running your stick on number from T.I.V3 on your bike? I see the one here on Moralahach's rig, and I know of one other guy that still has his on.

    How many of you still have that # on your rig?

    By the way, we're using the same type of stick on numbers again this year, just so you know.
    Nope took mine off.... If I had mort,s number or another number that had meaning to me i'd maybe keep it
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    Nope took mine off.... If I had mort,s number or another number that had meaning to me i'd maybe keep it
    Yeah, I like my number on many levels.

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    Couldn't stand to look at it afte a DNF. The sticker came off when I got home.

    Man, I think you guys allowing early entry for past participants is right on. We (the other two guys with me last year) had a bit of a worry...well I had a bit of a worry of getting in. Thanks G-ted. Now all I have to do is go through all the planning and reteric from last year...yippie.

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    still running the number

    it's a constant nagging reminder of a DNF but also a smile inspiring reminder of all the fun I had. Keeps me keepin' on.


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    I'm a lookin forward to addin a non-descript TIV4 number sticker to the Qball

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    I'm not sure my number made it on my bike in the first place but next year for sure....it's staying on!

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    Interesting

    You know, when I first got a look at those numbers, I thought they were a bit silly, kind of like the old pricing numbers they used to use on the edges of grocery store shelves that I used to shove all the way down to the end of the aisle as a kid.

    Anyway, I'm a bit surprised by the "showing of hands" here concerning the numbers on the bikes.

    Thanks for chiming in. I find it kind of unique and interesting that the number stickers have stayed on with ya'all as a momento.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I find it kind of unique and interesting that the number stickers have stayed on with ya'all as a momento.
    I had the same urge as Mr. Hensley. Maybe it had something to do with the tires, as I had the rear match to his tires. Maybe it had to do with scarfing down his food after the onset of his back problem.

    I remember my number (44) as the Skip James song 22-20 kept going through my head, "I, I, I can't take my rest. And my 44 layin up and down my breast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    How many of you still have that # on your rig?
    Me...

    .....but I just sold the bike, DOH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    You know, when I first got a look at those numbers, I thought they were a bit silly, kind of like the old pricing numbers they used to use on the edges of grocery store shelves that I used to shove all the way down to the end of the aisle as a kid.

    Anyway, I'm a bit surprised by the "showing of hands" here concerning the numbers on the bikes.

    Thanks for chiming in. I find it kind of unique and interesting that the number stickers have stayed on with ya'all as a momento.
    G-Ted,

    I think maybe you are starting to see a little glimmer of what this race means to many of us.

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    sorry to jump in on the number conversation, but i had a bit of a random question cross my mind on a recent gravel ride...

    i live in decorah and assuming i get in, i'm planning on doing my first transiowa this year. up until about 5 weeks ago i'd never really ridden more than 25 miles but i built a fixed cross bike and now i hate the idea of going a day without riding it at least 25-30 miles and i've been on a few +/- 100 mile rides. during one of these rides i had a bit of an unfortunate (luckily a minor) incident and it made me wonder...

    how many of you have already suffered a setback in your training for tiv4?

    luckily the rather large black lab that latched onto my calf didn't get a whole lot of meat off me and i didn't miss any riding time, but it was enough to make me wonder what other random/brutal/strange/funny experiences people are having while exploring your own back roads.

    by the way...if anyone feels like heading up to decorah for a training ride i work at one of the local shops and typically go on long gravel rides almost every sunday and thursday. just call decorah bicycles 563.382.8209 and ask for ben.

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    You need a "dog beater" Ben!

    Hey, Ben: I've ridden tons of gravel miles myself, and oddly enough have had a couple of close calls with black labs. You need a frame pump! I keep one on my gravel grinder for dogs. When you see the mutt making the bee line for ya, you reach down and raise the pump up, ready to strike.

    Everytime I've done this, the dog has relented before I had to make a stroke. (Although I wouldn't hesitate to crack a mutt on the head if it went for me.)

    Works a charm for me, but maybe you never had a chance to react. I know sometimes they are on ya before you see them.

    The other thing that works is to stop and get the bike between you and the dog. A lot of times the dog doesn't recognize you as being a human until you dismount. Usually the dog will relent at this point. It's a tactic that has also worked for me. The bike can be used as a defence if the mutt still wants a fight.

    Hope the leg heals quickly!
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    thanks for the advice...unfortunately all i've ever known is co2 and i don't think it stands much of a chance of beating a dog. that and riding fixed limits my ninja-like judo-style swift leg kick to the snout. haven't tried getting off the bike except when i came face to face with about 40 cows taking up the entire width of a gravel road just staring at me.

    pretty much just limited to the awesome powers of my water bottle and hoping my aim is good enough to actually get it in the dog's eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockStar
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    thanks for the advice...unfortunately all i've ever known is co2 and i don't think it stands much of a chance of beating a dog. that and riding fixed limits my ninja-like judo-style swift leg kick to the snout. haven't tried getting off the bike except when i came face to face with about 40 cows taking up the entire width of a gravel road just staring at me.

    pretty much just limited to the awesome powers of my water bottle and hoping my aim is good enough to actually get it in the dog's eye.
    During TIv3 there was a lot of insane yelling at farm dogs through the middle of the night. That usually turned them around. That or just sprinting away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    During TIv3 there was a lot of insane yelling at farm dogs through the middle of the night. That usually turned them around. That or just sprinting away!
    Certain aspects of reason work fairly well on some larger breeds. In fact, ontological arguments work well on canines and raises the bar above trivial territorial qualms.

    1. Whatever I clearly and distinctly perceive to be contained in the idea of something is true of that thing.
    2. I clearly and distinctly perceive that necessary existence is contained in the idea of dogs.
    3. Therefore, dogs exist.

    Seems to work except in the case of Jack Russells.
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    Training setbacks?!

    [QUOTE=ShockStar]sorry to jump in on the number conversation, but i had a bit of a random question cross my mind on a recent gravel ride...

    i live in decorah and assuming i get in, i'm planning on doing my first transiowa this year. up until about 5 weeks ago i'd never really ridden more than 25 miles but i built a fixed cross bike and now i hate the idea of going a day without riding it at least 25-30 miles and i've been on a few +/- 100 mile rides. during one of these rides i had a bit of an unfortunate (luckily a minor) incident and it made me wonder...

    how many of you have already suffered a setback in your training for tiv4?

    luckily the rather large black lab that latched onto my calf didn't get a whole lot of meat off me and i didn't miss any riding time, but it was enough to make me wonder what other random/brutal/strange/funny experiences people are having while exploring your own back roads.


    Training setbacks for TIv4? Don't make me laugh. Let's see, there were problems back with TIv 1 and then the problems with TI v2 and then v3 and this year . . . Better to ask, who hasn't had any training setbacks.

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    Training???? I haven't even started yet. I still need to get a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojoe
    Training???? I haven't even started yet. I still need to get a bike.

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    Not from me! I rarely ride mine anymore.

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    Non Veterans: Attention!

    If you have never entered and participated in a past version of Trans Iowa, please do not send your registration post card until the 15th of November. I am getting a few cards from guys that are not veterans and I am not keeping track of these. If you sent one in already and are not a T.I. Veteran, you'll have to resend a card on the 15th. Please abide by the rules. We are not responsible for your not following them.

    On or after the 15th it's fair game until the end of the month or we reach 100 entrants total. Up to 14 as of tonight. Good luck.
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    Mark...

    Sent a card last week I'll send another card thurs just in case the mail man doesn't deliver the frist one with the goofy adress....
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    Not from me! I rarely ride mine anymore.

    i thought about what kinda of moron would even attempt such a stunt (TI via unicycle) and then i realized that i knew a few that might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    Sent a card last week I'll send another card thurs just in case the mail man doesn't deliver the frist one with the goofy adress....
    haven't seen my name, or T-roy's hit the roster. I'm gunna send another as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    haven't seen my name, or T-roy's hit the roster. I'm gunna send another as well.
    Got it today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Got it today.
    yeah!?

    can't wait to ride in Iowa again. Maybe this time I'll ride longer...
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    25 peeps so far.............

    Half way to filling out the veterans field for T.I.V4. If we don't get to 50 by this Thursday, those remaining spots and 50 more will be up for grabs.

    Thanks to those past participants for re-upping for the next serving of Iowa gravely goodness!
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    my card is in the mail as of today (it sat in the mailbox all day yesterday as well) mmmm more gravel.

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    i tried to send one today but hy-vee failed at having post cards and i didn't have time to go elsewhere on my lunch break from the shop. Should get one in the mail tomorrow.
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    Post Cards

    One of my favorite parts of Trans Iowa is the idea of having post card registration. I love getting these things in the mail and you guys have brightened my day on many an occaision. Here's a sampling of some of the art from this year.

    The veterans know how it's done.

    You newbies better step up your game!
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    Trans Iowa Tune Up Ride V.2

    I will be sponsoring (with GT's blessing?) a Trans Iowa Tune Up Ride on December 8th leaving from my house in Gilbert, Iowa and will be making a loop back to my house. The route will be on the gravel roads surrounding the Des Moines River Valley in central Iowa. The course has many "flat" sections with a good 10-12 10%+ grade hills thrown in for good measure. The course will measure around 107 miles total with only one pass through town around half way (unless we decide to make a detour for another town that will be 3 or so miles off route). We will plan on leaving Gilbert around 7:00 AM and we hope to return in 10 hours or so depending on the weather.

    If you are interested in coming please leave a message on my blog by clicking here. Or, just show up at my place on the morning of the 8th.

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    postcard found in suburbia - year 2

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    Mine's on the way, better late than never?

    Paul,
    I'm thinking about coming out but since it's a ~10hr drive it's probably a last minute decision.
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    Mine's on the way, better late than never?

    Paul,
    I'm thinking about coming out but since it's a ~10hr drive it's probably a last minute decision.

    Cool beans! If for some reason you don't get in you can play stoker
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    Blessings...............

    Paul: Not a problem for your December 8th tune up. Go for it, I wouldn't mind riding along myself, if I can. That's yet to be determined.

    FYI: The Polska boys have already put in one long training ride in Centarl Wisco and are planning another very soon. If I hear any details I'll post 'em here.

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    Sweet!

    Pivvay, it would be great to have you come!

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    bah. i was on paul's last ride and it was fun and intense as all get out.pretty good training ride all told. Sadly, i probably won't make this one. How 'bout some sunday tune up rides? I'm stuck working basically every saturday.
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    Newbie is hopeful

    I aint in yet, cuz I be a rookie...but if I get in...I'm gonna switch to filters on my cigs and quit drinking whiskey for the month of April!!!! So watch out, I'll be the guy off the front with Tim Ek in tow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulclimb510
    I will be sponsoring (with GT's blessing?) a Trans Iowa Tune Up Ride on December 8th leaving from my house in Gilbert, Iowa and will be making a loop back to my house.

    Paul, I plan on being there but I'd have to call it a D K tune up (dirty kanza) rather than a Ti Tune up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieFarrow
    I aint in yet, cuz I be a rookie...but if I get in...I'm gonna switch to filters on my cigs and quit drinking whiskey for the month of April!!!! So watch out, I'll be the guy off the front with Tim Ek in tow...
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    My postcard was mailed to ya today. I gave the lil guy a farewell pat on the...um shoulder I guess, told him to make sure to look both ways before crossing any streets, avoid any suspicious packages or white powders in the mail office, and to not get lost. Hope my name makes it to the roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    One of my favorite parts of Trans Iowa is the idea of having post card registration. I love getting these things in the mail and you guys have brightened my day on many an occaision. Here's a sampling of some of the art from this year.

    The veterans know how it's done.

    You newbies better step up your game!
    man, you gatta do a flicker photo or somethin'. I know there have to be a bunch of great post cards from everyone. How about bringing them to the pre-ride/race meeting? Hey Dave, I'm gunna need more whiskey Just tell how much $$$ to bring...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    man, you gatta do a flicker photo or somethin'. I know there have to be a bunch of great post cards from everyone. How about bringing them to the pre-ride/race meeting? Hey Dave, I'm gunna need more whiskey Just tell how much $$$ to bring...
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    Oh, you will see them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    man, you gatta do a flicker photo or somethin'. I know there have to be a bunch of great post cards from everyone. How about bringing them to the pre-ride/race meeting? Hey Dave, I'm gunna need more whiskey Just tell how much $$$ to bring...
    Major bummer about last year was that I had planned on doing a display of all those wonderful cards on the last days prior to the event. The thing was I discovered several glaring mistakes on the cue sheets and I had to redo all of them, leaving the card idea on the cutting room floor, as it were.

    This year I am going to do my pick of the best and paste them up on a sign board to display at the pre-race meeting.

    Should be a great time!

    Oh.....and what should we be doing to see some more of that excellent Yazoo brew up this way next April?

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    [QUOTE=Oh.....and what should we be doing to see some more of that excellent Yazoo brew up this way next April?

    Let me know.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    Do I sense the first unicycle attempt?
    Moj- May want to think on this one. Slugging 1 mudslogged tire through the ditch sounds a whole lot better than 2. As for me- still waiting approval

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    My first post on MTBR is to let you know I dropped my card in the mail yesterday. This is going to be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    Oh.....and what should we be doing to see some more of that excellent Yazoo brew up this way next April?

    Let me know.
    We'll have you covered G-Ted, probably in something a little warmer than just beer too.

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    Update

    Got the mail moments ago. Ten cards today, I suspect many more on Saturday and Monday. I'm betting we'll reach 100 before next week is out easily.

    By the way, you Yazoo Crew guys are top notch in my book.

    .....but don't think that'll get you any slack!
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    g-t...get anything from the decorah area? i won't be able to check the roster later and i'm a bit anxious to make sure i'm in. actually i just want to make sure my ride to rochester and back this weekend will be worthwhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Got the mail moments ago. Ten cards today, I suspect many more on Saturday and Monday. I'm betting we'll reach 100 before next week is out easily.

    By the way, you Yazoo Crew guys are top notch in my book.

    .....but don't think that'll get you any slack!
    oh oh i hope mine is in that bunch so i can stop refreshing the blog every 15 minutes.

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    OK, I have a bike in the works.... Surly Karate Monkey frame/fork headed my way. I should have it by the middle of next week. I received a big box full of bike parts today from aebike to build it up. I'll post pics next week once I get it built. Brown Monkey, 3 x 8 speed, mis-matched Huffy thumbies, Avid v-brakes, Surly Torsion Bar, Ergon grips, Brooks Champion Special B-17, racks and fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojoe
    OK, I have a bike in the works....

    Yo. Looking forward to some long haul truckin with you again this year, Joe.

    I started training today. Had soup AND a sandwich for lunch. And been conditioning my body to run off of PBR and hotdogs. Should be a good year in Iowa. Now what can we do about ensuring the weather this year is as perfect as last?

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    Go Ride!

    Quote Originally Posted by ShockStar
    g-t...get anything from the decorah area? i won't be able to check the roster later and i'm a bit anxious to make sure i'm in. actually i just want to make sure my ride to rochester and back this weekend will be worthwhile
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojoe
    OK, I have a bike in the works.... Surly Karate Monkey frame/fork headed my way. I should have it by the middle of next week. I received a big box full of bike parts today from aebike to build it up. I'll post pics next week once I get it built. Brown Monkey, 3 x 8 speed, mis-matched Huffy thumbies, Avid v-brakes, Surly Torsion Bar, Ergon grips, Brooks Champion Special B-17, racks and fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbidwell
    Whats wrong with the panasonic??
    The Crapasonic is no fun on longer rides. I quit doing long fixie rides years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny5
    probably in something a little warmer than just beer too.

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    Really? They gots stuff like that in Nashville?

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    hopefully i was in those 10.
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    So - I'm warning you, this question is quite deep and of great cosmic import.

    Say on some day in the near future - you have 90 entrants. The next day you receive 20 postcards (supposing each is for a different entrant)...

    at what time will train B reach the station???

    I mean... how do you then decide which ten of the twenty get to join the hallowed circle of TransIowa V.4 Official Participants???

    p.s. What I mean is... should I have included a large check with my postcard???

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    Interesting question.......

    I mean... how do you then decide which ten of the twenty get to join the hallowed circle of TransIowa V.4 Official Participants???

    Here's the dealio. We'll let the random acts of the United States Post Office determine the outcome in such a situation. Typically the postman stacks the cards together and rubberbands them so they don't all get lost in the mix of mail. If the roster count is close to 100 and I recieve enough post cards in one day to exceed 100 total participants on any given day before November 30th I will simply draw from the top of the stack until I reach 100 total entrants.

    Those will be the lucky last few to get in, all by the random act of an unknwn Postal worker. Sound fair? Well, it doesn't matter......'cause that's how I'm going to do it.

    Please keep in mind that there is a waiting list. Typically we have several drop outs before the event starts. When that day comes and I announce that the event roster is full, then the post cards will stop coming. Those arriving late will go into the waiting list. I suspect that there will be very few in that line. When I get a drop, I will contact the person that sent the first post card past 100, (ie: #101) and I'll offer them the spot and so on. So, if you are close to getting in, hang on. You'll have a great shot at getting in anyway, if history is any indication.

    We had 128 or so sign up last year and by about a month before the event we had lost about 15 people and by about two weeks before the event we had lost about ten more. So you see, there is hope if you really want to do this event.

    I suspect that we will line up no more than 60 folks on April 26th if my sense of this event is accurate.
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    ahhhh stupid post office apparently still has not delivered my postcard.

    here it is sitting in the mailbox

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    Training Ride Notice!

    Marcin Nowak, the second place finisher from last spring, has passed along some info to me regarding a "tune up" ride in central Wisconsin the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

    If you are interested check out the details here: http://prezesmtb.blogspot.com/2007/1...e-up-ride.html

    This is from Marcin's blogsite and you can find a link to cue sheets there as well.

    Just like anything T.I. related, you are on your own expedition and are responsible for you. No one is going to rescue you from a vat of cheese, meandering Holstiens, or rabid badgers!

    Check it out.

    p.s. Don't forget about the December 8th T.I. tune up ride happening around Gilbert Iowa too.
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    Another one of "those pictures" that sums up this event
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    Great pic, Jeff!

    Yeah, that's Marcin, the second place finisher in T.I.V3. He finished while it was yet dark, made it off the road this far and sat there........well, you can see he was there awhile!

    Great pic showing how much it takes out of you to actually "race" 325 miles.
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    sweet. made the list. now i gotta get my ass in gear training. and finding a bike. thoughts on an el mariachi 1x9 ?
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    sweet. made the list. now i gotta get my ass in gear training. and finding a bike. thoughts on an el mariachi 1x9 ?
    This is just my two cents but I think that'd be perfect, unless you are trying to win the race. Run some big, soft tires with tiny knobs, ideally tubeless. Get a comfy saddle. Run flat bars, risers, or road bars depending on what's most comfy. Consider a rack with a bag on it. Several guys rode SS bikes last year without walking any hills so a 1X9 has plenty of range..... theoretically!

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    well, i've already got the frame and wheels. XL '07 blue el mar, with silver delgado rims on 07 xt disc hubs(gotta build those), i figure a steel 29er, with a smooth treaded 2.0 or so tire should work well. Last year a AL/carbon CX bike with 700x38 roadie-ish tires worked okay. might go roadie bars and bar end shifters just for TI, but i'm planning on running new XT shifting on flat bars with ergons for everyday mtb-ing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markf
    well, i've already got the frame and wheels. XL '07 blue el mar, with silver delgado rims on 07 xt disc hubs(gotta build those), i figure a steel 29er, with a smooth treaded 2.0 or so tire should work well. Last year a AL/carbon CX bike with 700x38 roadie-ish tires worked okay. might go roadie bars and bar end shifters just for TI, but i'm planning on running new XT shifting on flat bars with ergons for everyday mtb-ing.
    I was thinking about bar ends shifters too, then we could run those cool cane creek brake levers or those similer tektro's (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    This is just my two cents but I think that'd be perfect, unless you are trying to win the race. Run some big, soft tires with tiny knobs, ideally tubeless. Get a comfy saddle. Run flat bars, risers, or road bars depending on what's most comfy. Consider a rack with a bag on it. Several guys rode SS bikes last year without walking any hills so a 1X9 has plenty of range..... theoretically!
    I would agree that comfort is paramount. If you are so uncomfortable that you drop out of the race it doesn't matter how fast you were going up to your DNF!

    I don't think a rack is necessary, but could be helpful if you want to reduce weight from your back. I used a Camelbak like knockoff and had plenty of room for everything I needed. I carried a jacket, leg and arm warmers, almost 5 lbs of powdered food, and 100 oz of water. The water was by far the biggest weight in the pack, and I barely noticed the weight of the other stuff in comparison. For v3 the weather was great, but the temps changed pretty drastically over the event. The first morning was chilly, the first day was pretty warm, the following night was chilly, and the following day got to scorching hot. Be prepared to adjust to temps, but you don't need a suitcase full of clothes to do it.

    Most importantly I think you need to consider water and how you are going to carry it. I used 3 water bottles and 100 oz of water on my back, and used it all. Some of these pass through towns in rural Iowa shut down late at night altogether and you can't find a store, period. Be prepared to go 100 miles without resupply. 2 water bottles is nowhere near enough. If you want to keep this weight off your back you need to figure out how to carry it on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Most importantly I think you need to consider water and how you are going to carry it. ...Be prepared to go 100 miles without resupply.

    Yeah, good point, I was surprised about this too, last fill up was a friggin' long a$$ way from the finish-about 10 (yes, TEN) hours for me if I remember right. Maybe only 8 (still...EIGHT!!) See, I thought that if the route went thru a town then I could get something at a "Quick Trip" or similar type place. NOT SO!

    On the bright side, none of us were weighed down by extra food or fluids that we didn't eat or drink

    It looked like some guys had only two waterbottles, maybe another one in their pocket, but I have been wondering how they made it and didn't just...you know....die out there????

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    I survived on 2 bike bottles (both ~28oz) and 2 500ml throw away plastic water bottles in my jersey pockets. No camelback, no rack. If it didn't fit in my seatbag (spare tubes/tools/cell phone, cash) or my jersey pockets it didn't come along. Oh yea I taped my mini pump to my seatpost.

    Crazy temp swings though. Sunny, windy and 80s during the day, COLD in spots during the next night and a few valleys the first morning.

    It can be done (with no backpack) but you better have your s*$t dialed, know how to improvise and never miss a chance to fill up. I'm pretty sure I had water and food left when I rolled into the finish too and EVERYTHING was closed in the last town we rolled through at ~3am. There was water from a fountain outside the ballfields though.
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    I'm glad this topic came up, because I have been wondering. Is it ok to stop and get water at someone's house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    I'm glad this topic came up, because I have been wondering. Is it ok to stop and get water at someone's house?
    Keep in mind that no one wants you to die out there. I think it's all free game as long as it isn't a pre-arranged support stop. Considering the course is a secret beforehand, that's not really an issue. I think last year a bunch of guys filled up at a couple spigots outside of peoples' homes.

    And that being said, the people that ended up winning most likely weren't spending time knocking on doors or searching random places for water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    I'm glad this topic came up, because I have been wondering. Is it ok to stop and get water at someone's house?
    What Troy said. As long as it's neutral support available to anyone I'd think it were ok (not a chase vehicle and hand ups). A few got the "rusty nail" water from someone's outside spigot last year. If you're curious about water quality, public supplies, as in most residences (but not all) incorporated towns, eating establishments, and gas stations are tested for nasties like fecal coliform, nitrates, etc.

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    hehe

    I know at least one rider who got more water from a farmhouse after ummm, pickle overload?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    I know at least one rider who got more water from a farmhouse after ummm, pickle overload?
    Yeah, well, um.

    Funny story, that. I knew from the feeling in my stomach that I was running low on electrolytes. So at the next rest stop I got a jar of pickles and ate all the pickles and drank half the brine. I filled my bottles and tore out of there, the second place single speed having stopped for pizza <cough>.

    I then drank 100 oz of water in the next hour. My entire Camelbak went from super heavy to empty. Even after that I was still thirsty, and I wondered how on earth I was going to make it to the next rest stop with what I had in three bottles. So when I saw a farmer watering her flowers with a garden hose I just had to stop. I filled up, drank from the hose until I was satisfied, and went on my way.

    As I pulled out of the farmer's driveway I met up with the guy who was eating pizza at the last rest stop.

    By the time I got home I had gained 10 lbs. My feet had swollen so big they didn't fit any shoes I owned and I had to cut up a pair of sandals for work. I lost both big toenails from the swelling and from my toes jamming into my shoes. This might also have been related to my asthma problems I had never had before that ultimately caused me to do a lot of uphill walking in the last few hours. Don't try this at home, kids. You can fairly quickly recover from bonking (still not recommended!), but it is hard to catch an electrolyte imbalance and make up for it during an event. I knew I had a problem, self medicated with what I had available, and sort of overshot.

    Anyways, I never felt that I was out of the letter of the law on that water stop. Her house was there for every other rider who went by and she was in no way affiliated with me before I actually stopped. The only difference between her house and a store was that no money changed hands.

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    I laugh when I think about and tell that pickle story to this day to others, minus the specific person involved of course

    Yum pizza. I almost stopped and ordered a pie for takeout but instead settled for gas station fare. It was mighty tasty as I patched up my tire and regained some perspective on the day. Almost as good as that ham and cheese sandwich I ate riding out of town chasing some other racers earlier in the day or the ice cream sandwich I ate riding out of the halfway checkpoint. Oh yea and the bacon we *obsessed* about just a couple hours away from the finish as the sun was rising!

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    Officially speaking........

    Anyways, I never felt that I was out of the letter of the law on that water stop. Her house was there for every other rider who went by and she was in no way affiliated with me before I actually stopped. The only difference between her house and a store was that no money changed hands.
    Morlahach has it right here. This has been tradition since the first T.I. where several guys ran out of water coming into Algona and were begging farmers for refills.

    Gas station food, pizza, cookie dough, and two cheese burgers for a buck. All great T.I. stories if you know the right people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Morlahach has it right here. This has been tradition since the first T.I. where several guys ran out of water coming into Algona and were begging farmers for refills.
    Yeah, if it wasn't for the lady helping us out early on, we would have had some much more serious suffering. (we asked for forgiveness, which granted us entry to the firehouse to wash our faces. If we pass her house again, I want to stop and say hi. Maybe she will scream again )

    Though I only made it 150, with 4 water bottles and did just fine. I plan to have the same this year. I am also taking EVERYTHING off my back and using a rack and trunk. If you typically carry everything on your back, try a rack and pannier or trunk. It makes a huge difference for me. I just don't see it being good to ride for 30+hours with a 2 year old on your back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    It makes a huge difference for me. I just don't see it being good to ride for 30+hours with a 2 year old on your back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
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    You minimalists crack me up!

    If we get a "normal" weather pattern for T.I. this time, you will be rethinking some of this.

    Last year was a cakewalk weather-wise. Very unusual for that time of year. I wouldn't count on anything similar to that happening again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    If we get a "normal" weather pattern for T.I. this time, you will be rethinking some of this.

    Last year was a cakewalk weather-wise. Very unusual for that time of year. I wouldn't count on anything similar to that happening again.
    While it may be hard to believe, I had full rain gear with me, right down to WP/B mitts. If the weather was predicted to rain the whole time I *might* have brought a different jacket but the one I brought as got me through extended mountain rainstorms before (ie. hours long). If it was predicted to be far colder I would have changed the base layer system.

    Other than that I'd be curious to see what you think I didn't have that I would need. Honest...fire away and I'll tell you if I had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    Yeah, if it wasn't for the lady helping us out early on, we would have had some much more serious suffering. (we asked for forgiveness, which granted us entry to the firehouse to wash our faces. If we pass her house again, I want to stop and say hi. Maybe she will scream again )

    Though I only made it 150, with 4 water bottles and did just fine. I plan to have the same this year. I am also taking EVERYTHING off my back and using a rack and trunk. If you typically carry everything on your back, try a rack and pannier or trunk. It makes a huge difference for me. I just don't see it being good to ride for 30+hours with a 2 year old on your back.
    OTOH, I was also there for TIv2 where I had to carry my mud laden bike a mile or two through an impassible B road. In hindsight I shouldn't have gone 2 feet in that but should have picked my bike up and carried it immediately. The mud on the bike brought the bike's weight to well over 50 lbs. With my chicken arms, the mud sucking at my ankles, and the bike's awkward shape, it was a heck of a load to carry for that distance. I managed to bend two steel water bottle mounts from shouldering it.

    If you were to add a rack, trunk, and the trunk's contents the same bike would likely weigh an extra 20 lbs again. The same mud-laden bike would have weighed >70 lbs. Under those circumstances I would think it would be easier to carry a pack and a 50 lb bike than no pack and a 70 lb bike.

    So while I agree that getting the weight off the back and onto the bike is a good thing in general, there are some very specific conditions where it is a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay

    Other than that I'd be curious to see what you think I didn't have that I would need. Honest...fire away and I'll tell you if I had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    Decent footwear for sloggy through mud.
    Those sexy beasts would just be on my feet the whole time! No extra packing weight. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    .............

    Other than that I'd be curious to see what you think I didn't have that I would need. Honest...fire away and I'll tell you if I had it.
    Hey Chris, not picking on you directly. I saw your set up and thought it was a well thought out one, and obviously it worked fine for you.

    It's just that the recent commentary here brought back some memeories of some other set ups that I thought were only successful due to the favorable weather conditions seen over those two days last April.

    Had we seen a bit o T.I.V2 or V1 weather I know for a fact a lot of the finishers from this year would have wilted, some of that would have been due to the extremely minimalistic set ups.

    I'm just sayin'- don't expect the same weather as we had last April, because that was an anomaly, not the norm.

    So, not saying you are "that guy", but I'm betting you noticed some of what I'm talkin' about here.
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    Not feeling picked on, no worries Just always curious about what other people run and think is necessary.

    You can do a lot with a little. The success is in the planning and knowledge of how it all works together. You can be sure I rode in a lot of weather before I figured out what works and what didn't.

    Ha...I brought 15lbs in my cambelback for the LT100 in 2005 and it's never more than 25miles without support!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    Had we seen a bit o T.I.V2 or V1 weather I know for a fact a lot of the finishers from this year would have wilted, some of that would have been due to the extremely minimalistic set ups.

    I'm just sayin'- don't expect the same weather as we had last April, because that was an anomaly, not the norm.
    I know I was prepared for extreme bad weather, the one thing I wasn't prepared for was the perfect sunny weather. Lesson learned, next time pack sunblock.

    Oh, and chamois cream...

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    weather

    Oh yea...I was watching the weather like a hawk all week before hand too. I'm not saying what I brought last year would be the same as if it was V1/V2. I had at least 3 different gear lists depending on the weather. Would I have brought a pack at all? Maybe but I was trying hard to avoid it.

    Mostly I would have changed the stuff I wore on myself and the little that I brought to cover the widest ranges of temperature and weather I could. Improvise the rest.

    Booties and other clothes are easy to find at a gas station/grocery store. They just might not *look* like clothes. Hahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny5
    I know I was prepared for extreme bad weather, the one thing I wasn't prepared for was the perfect sunny weather. Lesson learned, next time pack sunblock.

    Oh, and chamois cream...
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    The roster is almost full!

    15 spots left! It'll fill up tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest.

    Hope yer card gets here tomorrow, or it looks bad for ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Booties and other clothes are easy to find at a gas station/grocery store. They just might not *look* like clothes. Hahaha.
    What are these "gas station/grocery stores" of which you speak LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    What are these "gas station/grocery stores" of which you speak LOL!
    They're the places where everyone looks at you reeeeeeal funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Booties and other clothes are easy to find at a gas station/grocery store. They just might not *look* like clothes. Hahaha.
    I bet there isn't a person here who hasn't used plastic shopping bags for booties

    In case you are wondering about asthetics, there was a guy at interbike selling Ty-Vec jackets as packable harsh weather gear yeah buddy!
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    Dan that's what I would have thought too although based on an offline comment I'm not 100% sure on that now. What about saran wrap jackets?

    BTW American Apparel has full zip tyvek jackets in their clothing line, for pretty cheap too. You can be even more stylish. (My sister is a fashion designer hence my only knowledge of AA's existence.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    What are these "gas station/grocery stores" of which you speak LOL!
    I think the same ones that sell and rent these.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    I bet there isn't a person here who hasn't used plastic shopping bags for booties

    In case you are wondering about asthetics, there was a guy at interbike selling Ty-Vec jackets as packable harsh weather gear yeah buddy!
    I have never used plastic shopping bags for booties, but I have used a shower cap for a seat cover for my Brooks saddle!

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    Mail is in.............

    ...................six spots remain!
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    Thanks Jeff!

    AWWWWW! Thanks, Jeff. You know me and pizza! %^)

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    Ok Ted, the package containing my entry was overnighted to you yesterday and shows to be in the sorting facility in Cedar Rapids as of 4:53 AM today. For those who want to play along at home, the tracking number is 863509446033 (fedexovernightpriorityiftheyloseitimgonnagobalist iconsomepoorunsuspectingfedexkinkoscopyjockey) fingers, toes, eyes all crossed in hopes for one of those last remaining spots.

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    Mine went snail mail a while ago, hope it shows up today as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobillycadillac
    Ok Ted, the package containing my entry was overnighted to you yesterday and shows to be in the sorting facility in Cedar Rapids as of 4:53 AM today. For those who want to play along at home, the tracking number is 863509446033 (fedexovernightpriorityiftheyloseitimgonnagobalist iconsomepoorunsuspectingfedexkinkoscopyjockey) fingers, toes, eyes all crossed in hopes for one of those last remaining spots.
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    woo hooo it's on the truck and..........




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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobillycadillac
    woo hooo it's on the truck and..........

    Sounds like you won't have to bother that fedexovernightpriorityiftheyloseitimgonnagobalist iconsomepoorunsuspectingfedexkinkoscopyjockey
    but it wasn't the first entry of the day recieved...

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    That's it! We're closed!

    100 entrants as of just a few minutes ago. Two on thw waiting list so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    100 entrants as of just a few minutes ago. Two on thw waiting list so far.

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    Schweeet! Nothing like waiting until the last minute. Perhaps I should keep that in mind for the future...
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    well the big man himself said I was in, so now it's time to start training and obsessing over handlebar and gear selections for the next 5 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivvay
    Dan that's what I would have thought too although based on an offline comment I'm not 100% sure on that now. What about saran wrap jackets?

    BTW American Apparel has full zip tyvek jackets in their clothing line, for pretty cheap too. You can be even more stylish. (My sister is a fashion designer hence my only knowledge of AA's existence.)
    link for you http://store.americanapparel.net/j451.html

    ...and you can buy $300+ cycling specific jeans to go with your zuit suit
    check it out, highsnobiety.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hensley
    link for you http://store.americanapparel.net/j451.html

    ...and you can buy $300+ cycling specific jeans to go with your zuit suit
    check it out, highsnobiety.com
    just in case you haven't seen it yet... I'm gunna hang a ham off the third belt loop. no worries about food this year
    I could not, would not, am not associated with this company but; Something else for inclement conditions

    Not sure about hanging hams off of it.

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    Heck, why not this? Looks practical to me

    Lets see.....we have the following features with this jacket...
    1. A space blanket for that cold Iowa night
    2. High vis, so yer arse don't get run down by a hill billy.
    3. Use it to signal Search & Rescue
    4. You'll kind'a fit in at any bar you may stop at.
    5. Fold it up into a bowl shape...add water... and boil water with it
    6. Give off that "so pro" vibe at the towns you roll through.
    7. Use it as a form of currency (ie: trade it for a slice of pizza at gas stations)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    100 entrants as of just a few minutes ago. Two on thw waiting list so far.
    Hey GT, let us know when you post the update to the roster, and please post the waiting list too. I'm afraid I'm on it, I'd like to know what my chances are.
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    Site has been updated

    You can check out the roster now with all 100 lucky folks names posted.

    If you sent in a card and your name doesn't appear you are going on the waiting list.

    I will be contacting the roster folks soon and confirming their entry as official.

    I will also be contacting the waiting list folks to see if they want to hold out or withdraw their name from consideration.

    I will not be posting a Waiting List on line. Why? Because I said so.
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    Is Ira Ryan coming this year? I don't see his name or was this discussed earlier and I missed it? Or does he just have a permanent open entry since he is the Man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    Is Ira Ryan coming this year? I don't see his name or was this discussed earlier and I missed it? Or does he just have a permanent open entry since he is the Man.
    I have not heard from Ira since he cursed me at the finish line of T.I.V3.

    I don't expect to see him back, quite honestly. His frame business is taking off and with the North American Handmade Bicycle Show right in his back yard, I don't think he'll have a lot of training time either. Just a hunch.
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