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    Epiphany Review and Specs?

    Did anyone ride the Epiphany at interbike?
    How did it ride?

    I finally got MBA and the Ellsworth catalog.
    Can someone explain the BB height number of 0.5"
    If the measurements are taken from the horizontal axle line doesn't the tire size have to be given?

    I noticed the Truth is listed at 0.4" it doesn't seem right.

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    I recon that the axle is at 13" for a 26" wheeled bike, so the BB height would be 13.5". Now, does that include tires? I don't think it would, so you could add about an inch or so, effectively with tires on, I suspect.

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    The Geometry for the Epiphany is very similar to the 05 Moment, you can still get those #'s on their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    I recon that the axle is at 13" for a 26" wheeled bike, so the BB height would be 13.5". Now, does that include tires? I don't think it would, so you could add about an inch or so, effectively with tires on, I suspect.
    I like the new way they are measuring the BB height. They are basically drawing a straightline between the two wheel axles and indicating where the BB is in relation to that horizontal line, either + or - from the horizontal.

    I think this is much more standardized compared to the typical measurement from ground to BB which can be influenced by rim height and tire height. No matter what rim or tire are used, the horizontal axle line is constant.

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    BB height

    Quote Originally Posted by ahimanic
    I like the new way they are measuring the BB height. They are basically drawing a straightline between the two wheel axles and indicating where the BB is in relation to that horizontal line, either + or - from the horizontal.

    I think this is much more standardized compared to the typical measurement from ground to BB which can be influenced by rim height and tire height. No matter what rim or tire are used, the horizontal axle line is constant.

    I also like the new method of measureing, but it makes it difficult to compare bikes.
    So the Epiphany is only 0.1" higher in BB height than the Truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantomtracer
    I also like the new method of measureing, but it makes it difficult to compare bikes.
    As if the old way was was easier?

    I really don't care how I get the number as long as I know the conditions that number was generated--then I can compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantomtracer
    I also like the new method of measureing, but it makes it difficult to compare bikes.
    So the Epiphany is only 0.1" higher in BB height than the Truth?
    Get big tires and short cranks, you'll be ok!

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    BB Height

    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    As if the old way was was easier?

    I really don't care how I get the number as long as I know the conditions that number was generated--then I can compare.

    I'm trying to compare the Truth or my Tracer with the Epiphany.
    I currently ride with a 13.5 BB height.
    According to the Ellsworth website, the Truth is 12.8"

    That means the Epiphany is going to be under 13"?
    That just doesn't seem correct for a bike with 5" of travel.

    Is that correct?

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    Your calcs are off.

    The 06 Truth has a +.4" BB rise and the Epiphany has a +.5" BB rise. Assuming your wheels with tires measure a true 26" diameter, take the radius(13") and add it to the BB rise. So, 13.4" BB height for the Truth and 13.5" for the Epiphany.

    If you're rolling fatties, your tire diameter may easily be greater than 26", which raises your BB.

    Standover works the same. Add the tire radius to the standover number in the catalog. Standover in the catalog is measured 7"(175mm) horizontally forward from the BB center.

    Hope this helps.

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    Errr Wrong!!

    Specs for Epiphany and 06 Moment Rogue Choas, interesting!

    HA Epiphany 70 deg - 73 deg - (fork rec 125-150mm)
    HA Moment 67.8 deg - 72.3 - (fork rec 125mm -150mm)
    HA Rogue 67deg - 73.25 deg - (fork rec 6inch/7inch/8inch, 180mm)
    HA Chaos 66 deg -67.8deg - (fork rec 5inch/6inch/7inch/8inch)

    The Dare is not in the catalogue to date? interesting..maybe not yet covered???
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    I received the Ellsworth 2006 catalog in the mail the other day (I called to get one) and it is identical to what was published in MBA. In fact, they took the whole catalog and just copied it into the pages of MBA.

    I don't know how good those measurements are because I heard conflicting details when I spoke to Ells on the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Specs for Epiphany and 06 Moment Rogue Choas, interesting!

    HA Epiphany 70 deg - 73 deg - (fork rec 125-150mm)
    HA Moment 67.8 deg - 72.3 - (fork rec 125mm -150mm)
    HA Rogue 67deg - 73.25 deg - (fork rec 6inch/7inch/8inch, 180mm)
    HA Chaos 66 deg -67.8deg - (fork rec 5inch/6inch/7inch/8inch)

    The Dare is not in the catalogue to date? interesting..maybe not yet covered???
    PC ??

    Be carefull !! The above Moment geometry ( 67.8 degr. ) is referred to a 150 mm fork ! With a 125 mm is 69 degr. which is the geom that you can find in the E web site

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