# Thread: Epi and Id differences

1. ## Epi and Id differences

Hi everybody!
Has anyone ridden Epi and Id? Is there a big differance in geometry between them? Witch of these 2 is more XC geometry?

2. Originally Posted by merdas
Hi everybody!
Has anyone ridden Epi and Id? Is there a big differance in geometry between them? Witch of these 2 is more XC geometry?
The Epi is pretty much indentical to the Id in geometry save for its lower BB height. After all it is a replacement for the Id. In other words the Epi is the new Id or a reincarnation thereof.

3. ## are you sure?

Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
The Epi is pretty much indentical to the Id in geometry save for its lower BB height. After all it is a replacement for the Id. In other words the Epi is the new Id or a reincarnation thereof.
Based on the specs on the Ellsworth site, i calculate the BB to be about 14", compared to about 13.7" on my Id...but with the way they list the height, i guess it will depend on the tires and shock preload

the head tube angle appears to be about a half degree tighter as well...but with the Id's ability to handle tight turns like a ferrari...this change shouldn't be too apparent to average riders

No Epiphanies available in Toronto yet...but i'm looking forward to being able to compare the two bikes when they arrive

4. Originally Posted by JM01
Based on the specs on the Ellsworth site, i calculate the BB to be about 14", compared to about 13.7" on my Id...but with the way they list the height, i guess it will depend on the tires and shock preload

the head tube angle appears to be about a half degree tighter as well...but with the Id's ability to handle tight turns like a ferrari...this change shouldn't be too apparent to average riders

No Epiphanies available in Toronto yet...but i'm looking forward to being able to compare the two bikes when they arrive

Epi BB Height is actually 13 + 0.5 = 13.5. Lots of confusion here (search this forum) as BB height is influenced by fork A-C and somewhat by tire choice. EW should emulate Santa Cruz where they include A-C height in the spec.

My Id's measured BB height of 14.25"

Epi Specs from EW website:

Bottom Bracket Height: +.5 from "event horizon"
Seat Tube Angle: 73.5

5. Anybody ridden both?
Originally Posted by JM01
Based on the specs on the Ellsworth site, i calculate the BB to be about 14", compared to about 13.7" on my Id...but with the way they list the height, i guess it will depend on the tires and shock preload

the head tube angle appears to be about a half degree tighter as well...but with the Id's ability to handle tight turns like a ferrari...this change shouldn't be too apparent to average riders

No Epiphanies available in Toronto yet...but i'm looking forward to being able to compare the two bikes when they arrive

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