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    New question here. Ellsworth Chaos travel settings

    How do you change the travel on the new Chaos? Does anyone know anything about this bike. Sounds good to have 5-8 inches adjustable travel. You could use it for just about anything. Anyone have one yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Banshee
    How do you change the travel on the new Chaos? Does anyone know anything about this bike. Sounds good to have 5-8 inches adjustable travel. You could use it for just about anything. Anyone have one yet?
    LOL....

    To "change" the travel, you "get" to buy a new shock. That's how TE did it. Different shock stroke and length = different travel.

    Makes for some pretty screwy geometry.

    To be fair, even bikes that have different "holes" for adjustable travel are screwy, although they usually don't have such crazy geometry changes. The reason is that on these bikes the different shock holes change the suspension leverage ratio, and when you go to more travel, the bike ends up undersprung, and you need to buy a new spring for the shock, or if you want to use less travle, you need a softer spring, or it will end up oversprung. Springs are a lot cheaper than shocks though if you want to do the "adjustable travel" thing. Adjustable travel is not really a benefit in any way, requires you to at the least purchase additional springs to get the correct spring rate.

    The "adjustable travel" "feature" on the chaos is pretty retarded though.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Ellsworth wants to sell shocks(They don't make shocks)

    [QUOTE=Jayem]LOL....

    To "change" the travel, you "get" to buy a new shock. That's how TE did it.


    That means you would have to spend like $1,500 on shocks and then the geometry is going to be messed up. What the heck was he thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    LOL....

    To "change" the travel, you "get" to buy a new shock. That's how TE did it. Different shock stroke and length = different travel.

    Makes for some pretty screwy geometry.

    To be fair, even bikes that have different "holes" for adjustable travel are screwy, although they usually don't have such crazy geometry changes. The reason is that on these bikes the different shock holes change the suspension leverage ratio, and when you go to more travel, the bike ends up undersprung, and you need to buy a new spring for the shock, or if you want to use less travle, you need a softer spring, or it will end up oversprung. Springs are a lot cheaper than shocks though if you want to do the "adjustable travel" thing. Adjustable travel is not really a benefit in any way, requires you to at the least purchase additional springs to get the correct spring rate.

    The "adjustable travel" "feature" on the chaos is pretty retarded though.
    How different is it from say the Titus Supermoto with the same 'plan'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac
    How different is it from say the Titus Supermoto with the same 'plan'?
    The supermoto doesn't really have the same plan, as they correct for geometry changes and don't just bolt a different shock on the bike.

    There are a few different configurations (actually, more than a few) of the bike. Each different configuration has a special linkage for the amount of travel, some of the linkages have multiple shock mounting holes that allow you to change the travel, whereas some of the configurations are just different linkages, but different linkages are optimized so they don't screw up the geometry. With an air shock you can make these changes fairly easily, and do not need to buy a new spring all the time.

    You can also opt for a few different chainstays for the bike, depending on how much strength yo need.

    There are basically a bunch of different configurations, and they have different sized linkages that correct the geometry changes and rate changes. As a "trail" bike, you get more options as far as travel, and with an air shock you can adjust the spring without having to buy a new coil. That is how the supermoto was intended, and it's a pretty huge difference because it doesn't screw up the geometry (the 6" chaos has a 66° HA and a 12" BB).




    The Supermoto DH is essentially a different bike, with a totally different rear end and linkage, this bike is travel adjustable for 8 and 9" of travel, and this is again through multiple shock mounting holes, but the change from 8 to 9" isn't very great, not like going from 6 to 8", so the smaller the change, the less likely you'll need to buy a new spring (but then again, 8" is going to feel pretty darned close to 9").

    There is no real "6 to 8" supermoto", there is a trail version, and there is a DH version. Within each version there is adjustable travel, but we are talking about two different bikes that again, are optimized for different amounts of travel and geometry-corrected for this fact. Titus came up with a good front triangle and decided to use it on both bikes, there was even a short 3.something" travel rocker at one point for the "trail" version, although I doubt they sold many with that configuration.

    The way that Titus changes the travel on the "supermoto" bike has a lot of thought put into it, and it is basically completely different than just bolting a different length shock like TE has done with the chaos.
    Last edited by Jayem; 11-13-2005 at 09:49 AM.
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