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    XC Skiing Anyone?

    How many of you do XC skiing during the winter for some cross training? I am asking because this year I decided to get myself some XC equipment (skate) and change it up a little during the long hours of base training. I still intend to ride those long hours, but once a week I shall skate ski.

    I have never XC skied before but I have tons of experience in alpine skiing and in-line skating, so I hope to learn quickly.

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    I started xc skiing last winter and really enjoyed it. I have been dh skiing for a few years and always joked at how much better it was than xc skiing but I just loved it. To the point where my better half was getting upset because we weren't heading up to Blue as much. I am not very athletic (read 6'4" 240 lbs) but I was quite surprised by my stamina and the distances I was able to cover. The types of outtings that just wipe you out, and you know you've gotten a significant work out.


    That said I am terrible on the dh sections, even though I'm a pretty good dh skiier lol. Now this season I added a fatbike to the stable so that will be an option as well.

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    I plan on doing a lot more snowshoeing since I'm not that great at XC skiing, plus, my skis are over twenty years old Weights of course, running, and winter biking on the trails and road. Now we just need snow!!
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    I LOVE cross-country skiing. I would suggest if you actually get in to it that you'll be out more than once a week, if there is a good facility near you. If you're getting skate skis there must be groomed, wide trails nearby. Classic skis would be far more versatile if you don't have a specific pay-type center near to you.

    Be prepared, particularly with skate skis but with either style, for a steep learning curve. Lessons are recommended to help with this... investing in skate skis is a big step unless you've done quite a few lessons and skis on rentals. Rentals are like $25/day at most centers, and most have packages with a lesson.

    If you're learning around Christmas time I'm in the Beaver Valley area and/or Highlands Nordic and willing to coach a bit.

    But, bottom line, HUGELY recommended. When I was local (I'm mostly in Bermuda now) I did a massive amount of cross-country skiing and it was hugely beneficial to my riding.

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    hah beaver valley, used to ski at the private club back in the day. most fun i had on cross country skis is just hacking around.

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    though, broke bindings and cracked the surface of my last back country salomons. thinking of just getting a pair of cheap short skis to session hills/jumps. it's a good full body work out and not as boring.
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    I agree with BermudaBrown. Skate skiing is tough and lessons (formal or from an experienced friend) are recommended. However, being an inline skater will help you a lot.

    The thing with skate skiing is that it's exhausting until you're competent at it. I'm a bad skate skier so my heart rate would be maxed a lot, especially up hill. It's quite painful learning to skate ski

    I know lots of fast cyclists who ski all winter for base training and don't touch their bikes until spring or just use the trainer for shorter interval workouts. I think skiing is so much better mentally than sitting on the trainer forever during long rides.

    I plan on getting back to classic skiing this winter, along with fatbiking, snowshoeing and running. Not ready for snow yet though!

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    I was considering it up until I bought the fat bike last year. Now, XC skiing would cut into my fat biking. I did buy snowshoes last winter for my wife and me. She will not ride in the winter. We have really enjoyed that. You might consider a fat bike maybe? It is nice to have a different activity. The one thing is that I am willing to go out to my local trails on my fat bike in the dark, but I am not sure I would XC ski during the week.
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    Oh, XC skiing at night in our local conservation area (with helmets and bike lights) is so amazing. Quiet, calm, beautiful, if technically off limits. But, then, so is fat biking after dark in there. Adds another layer of excitement too.

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    XC Skiing Anyone?

    Thanks everyone for the input. I did consider fat bikes, but I really wanted something different, something that engages my upper body also. Regardless, I already bought the full equipment and I went for high end stuff (Rossi X-IUM WCS S2 with Xcelerator bindings, Fisher RC7 boots, light carbon poles). It was funny to see the sales person's face when I told him I never XC skied in my life. J But I did research equipment carefully and was well informed walking into the store.

    I do worry about a steep learning curve, even though I have an very difficult time imagining it. As an alpine skier with almost 1000 days of skiing behind me, I have done plenty of skate skiing on alpine skis and boots (it is inevitable, especially in some of the huge resorts out west). That should be 100 times harder than on XC skis. Of course, I have been wrong before (and often J), so I can see myself flailing and falling like a fool just as easily.

    But I cannot wait to try it out. I will probably start at Hardwood and I will take some lessons too, to give myself a fighting chance. Albion Hills is the closest to my house (only 35 minutes away).
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    I just looked up some of that gear. Very nice. At least you'll look good! With all your alpine experience and fitness, you should do well. A few pointers from an experienced person should get your technique down pretty quickly if you don't figure it out yourself. Have fun.

    @Nerdgirl. Yeah I can see night XC skiing being a hoot. I just don't have a place all that close to do it. My local trails are more suited to biking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    As an alpine skier with almost 1000 days of skiing behind me, I have done plenty of skate skiing on alpine skis and boots (it is inevitable, especially in some of the huge resorts out west). That should be 100 times harder than on XC skis.
    I forgot you were such an experienced alpine skier. You will probably catch on much quicker than most people.

    Your ski purchase reminds me of how I bought a standard despite never having driven one before. The salesmen taught me the basics during the test drive. He did the shifting and told me when to push the clutch.

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    I say every year that I will give XC skiing a go. And every year, I don't. Who knows...maybe this will be the year?

    I have snowshoes, and ride outdoors all year round though. And I don't even have a fatbike
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    I was going to say that it's more fun on a fat bike, but maybe not. You would miss all that excitement!
    wheres' BCD in all this? He XC skis in the winter. I even heard he is fast!
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    A few years ago a group of us got a great deal on Salomon backcountry skis/bindings and boots. I think Sporting Life and Mec still carry the product. We got good use of them because we were able to ski everywhere, every terrain, up and down, day and night ... no need for special tracks. Waxing was optional. The steel edges allow carving and the skis are shorter so if you need to climb over a rock or log , no problem.

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    I can't wait to ski again as well as ride all winter

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    XC Skiing Anyone?

    The backcountry skiing definitely looks like fun.
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    Yep...love xc-skiing! :)



    Bonnie and I have been avid xc-ski fans for 25~26 yrs. I really got hooked on it and kinda dragged Bonnie along with me. We soon outgrew the limitations of no-wax skis and moved on to wax performance and racing skis. I went through the whole learning curve of proper ski prep and waxing techniques...which is actually very interesting if you are of the techie persuasion! That was late 1980's and also just as the whole skate skiing technique and equipment was taking off. Got the skate skiing bug pretty bad then and was at Hardwood Hills or Horseshoe every Friday for skate and then Sat & Sun skiing mostly classic/ some skate on my home trails at either BRMC or Buckwallow (aka Gravenhurst KOA Nordic). That's Bonnie skiing Tamarack trail at Buck in the pic above.

    In fact I only got into mtbiking later on in an effort to maintain a core level of fitness for skiing, so that I could get up to speed on the skis in two weeks instead of a month or more. And that works, I was just doing the opposite to what Serious is thinking.
    As a previous poster has already mentioned, skate skiing requires appropriately groomed trails, all of which are a half hr drive for me and now I am more pressed for time and less inclined to do those drives. So I am mostly skiing classic, which I love the best anyway. IMO it is actually more challenging to be an accomplished classic technique skier than skating. The Russians have this figured out and their teams spend considerably more training time on classic than skate (about 60/40 last I read). Unfortunately and to their loss, many skiers don't bother with classic lessons probably due to the old saying..."if you can walk, you can xc-ski". That should really be "if you can walk, then you can walk on xc-skis". And I see a lot of these "shufflers" that are really missing out on how much fun xc-skiing can REALLY be if you have the proper equipment, technique, and waxing knowledge.
    I have also in recent years tried backcountry skiing and snowshoeing. The backcountry skiing has not really gelled with me to be honest, and I get out maybe once or twice a season. It just lacks the speed, flow, and ease of movement that one gets in a nicely groomed and track set trail on performance skis. Surprisingly I really do enjoy the snowshoeing however, since its go anywhere, rough terrain capable, and also a dog friendly activity. I snowshoe for an hour most nights with my dog Blue during the week all winter long. I have a virtually private trail overlooking the lake close by our home which I maintain by....shoeing it!

    And of course sometimes I do ride a fat bike! Although I was the first in Muskoka with a fat bike five seasons ago now, for me it was always and still remains a perfect complementary activity to skiing. When the skiing is great the fatbiking usually isn't (too soft) and when skiing sucks (ie hard, icy conditions) then the fat biking is usually awesome! There have been winters in recent years were skiing has been dreadful almost the entire season and I spent lots of time riding the Pugs. And then a winter like last year when hardly a day went by without snow fall in Muskoka, when I mostly skied and hardly looked at the Pugs until almost spring!
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    XC skiing rules in terms of smiles per dollar ratio.

    I end up having as much fun xc skiing as I do mtb, and I really love mtb. Thing is, xc skiing is _way_ cheaper, simpler, less gear, etc...

    Personally I do backcountry light. I ski old logging roads, more open mtb trails, dedicated BC trails.

    Nothing beats xc skiing at night with a full moon and the cyotes yelping in the distance (or not too distant). Breaking through pristine, glistening snow, under shimmering stars, and bitter cold air nipping your face!

    Best boots I've ever had are the 3 pin Crispi Antartics. Good, soft leather boots that fit like a glove, with a stiffer sole. Pair'm up with a 3 pin Voile bindings and a med width xc ski with a metal edge and you can pretty much go anywhere.

    Snow is already falling hear and I'm getting charged up!

    I live in the Adirondaks so I'm pretty lucky.

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    I love reading this, because I get even more amped about XC skiing. And speaking of classic skiing, it took me all of 5 minutes of watching some instructional videos to realize that classic is harder than skate. I have experienced one skate, two skate and even offset on alpine skis many times. It looks very natural to me. But the classic XC technique is totally foreign to my brain.

    Oh well, something to look forward to in the winter, besides alpine skiing. And in the last few years alpine skiing in Ontario has been hard on me. I simply get very cold when there are long waits and small hills - unless I do bumps. And doing bumps for a few hours is really hard on the knees.
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    I used to alpine ski as well, Sunday evenings at Horseshoe with the occasional trip to Tremblant. Thing is, I could go alpine skiing and the not really care if I went again in a week, or a month! XC skiing on a groomed trail system...I could do that every day all winter long and not get sick of it!!!
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    I do everything I can to and riding a bike in the winter and try and only Xc ski for base training. Even as a slightly better than competent skate skier I usually try to get a solid month of classic in as a base of using arms and legs at the same time. Helps sort the balance and coordination sorted too. Skate is a great cross training for higher aerobic cross training and classic is a great way to get those lower heart rate base hours in.

    As for transition for alpine to skating. As a former alpine instructor I tought the same ing when I first started skating. I skate from lift to lift, this will be easier with lighter skis and boots, ya not so much. Take a lesson for sure. Be prepared for a lot of breaks to recover from nearly passing out from max heart rate efforts over 300 feet. It does get easier, then I becomes fun. Big tip, when learning. Snow below minus 10 is like sand paper and doesn't glide worth a crap. Those become classic ski days.

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    Looking forward to Nebraska's 3 days of skiable snow this year. Plan on adding a harnessed Husky to my kit. Used to ski with my Malamute/Wolf mix dog but the only work out was trying to stop. Funny how a 120# dog can pull a 180# skier like it's nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spakattack View Post
    As for transition for alpine to skating. As a former alpine instructor I tought the same ing when I first started skating. I skate from lift to lift, this will be easier with lighter skis and boots, ya not so much. Take a lesson for sure. Be prepared for a lot of breaks to recover from nearly passing out from max heart rate efforts over 300 feet. It does get easier, then I becomes fun. Big tip, when learning. Snow below minus 10 is like sand paper and doesn't glide worth a crap. Those become classic ski days.
    Now you are just scaring me. But frankly I do expect a learning curve no matter what background I have. And there is little danger of me skiing when it is below -10C. I am not tough enough for that.

    As for nearly passing out from harder efforts - I will make sure to start on easier trails. Hardwood has easier, flatter routes where I can focus on technique and not pass out from the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    Looking forward to Nebraska's 3 days of skiable snow this year. Plan on adding a harnessed Husky to my kit. Used to ski with my Malamute/Wolf mix dog but the only work out was trying to stop. Funny how a 120# dog can pull a 180# skier like it's nothing.
    That sounds amazing Forster! I've seen dogs pull sheds but never a skier! Share some pics please
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    Now you are just scaring me. But frankly I do expect a learning curve no matter what background I have. And there is little danger of me skiing when it is below -10C. I am not tough enough for that.

    As for nearly passing out from harder efforts - I will make sure to start on easier trails. Hardwood has easier, flatter routes where I can focus on technique and not pass out from the effort.

    Classic XC skiing is not that hard at all on flatter, broken trail. Super skinny xc skis are fast on groomed trails, but take some balance, and really limit you as to where you can go. Still, they are a blast if you find the right trails, and again, xc does not have to be hard at all. My kids have been doing it since they were 5 years old.

    Temps.... 0 to 10 degrees F is perfect. Down to minus 10 is tolerable and you don't need that much clothing to keep you warm. It really neat, not at all like biking. Biking I get cold feet at anything below 60 degrees! XC skiing I'm good till at least 10 below.

    It is also a great family activity. Dad gets to break trail and gets a great workout. Mom next. Kids follow. Out and backs are best cause you get to hit up the trail you just broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    That sounds amazing Forster! I've seen dogs pull sheds but never a skier! Share some pics please
    cyclelicious, its called skijoring. The Bike Shop in Gravenhurst sells skijoring harnesses. Owners Matt & Kristi have 4 huskies and they are into it! They were featured in this vid...
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    Fat biking will put you ahead of the skate skiers. The picture below is of some skate skiers drafting off of two fat bikers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    cyclelicious, its called skijoring. The Bike Shop in Gravenhurst sells skijoring harnesses. Owners Matt & Kristi have 4 huskies and they are into it! They were featured in this vid...
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/X80gu0sNMDM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    Thanks BCD for sharing the vid. So many cool ways to keep active. It's nice to mix it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    Looking forward to Nebraska's 3 days of skiable snow this year. Plan on adding a harnessed Husky to my kit. Used to ski with my Malamute/Wolf mix dog but the only work out was trying to stop. Funny how a 120# dog can pull a 180# skier like it's nothing.
    I love the special brown spots all over the nice white snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    Fat biking will put you ahead of the skate skiers. The picture below is of some skate skiers drafting off of two fat bikers.

    Frankly when I look at that, I see no reason to have a fat bike. I can ride there with my mountain bikes no problem. Unless there is more than 1-2 inches of snow, normal tires will do. Some Ontario racers will remember WOW races when we had snow and we survived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
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    Frankly when I look at that, I see no reason to have a fat bike. I can ride there with my mountain bikes no problem. Unless there is more than 1-2 inches of snow, normal tires will do. Some Ontario racers will remember WOW races when we had snow and we survived.
    Serious, you could have ridden with a regular mountain bike, if you had ridden early in the morning, but generally you wouldn'the be able to ride this trail with a regular mountain bike. Some of it depends on the ruts you want to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    Fat biking will put you ahead of the skate skiers. The picture below is of some skate skiers drafting off of two fat bikers.
    maybe...would be close with fit and skilled skiers and depends on the conditions of the day. Since skiers don't have gears to make it fair the fat bikes should be SS and that gives the skiers a clear edge Reminds me of this...
    <iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/38342504?color=f0ec00" width="450" height="253" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p>During our last ski of the season we ran into some snow bikers at a trail crossing. It was an amazing day to be out skiing. Too bad the season is over. (www.birkie.com)</p>
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    That was a great video BlackCanoeDog.
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    Done right, xc skiing is elegant and graceful. Done wrong, you may as well be walking on 2X4s.

    some free instructional videos here https://www.youtube.com/user/xczonetv

    I bought this human powered groomer last year to groom my own xc skate trail...with very good results. Same guy offers a fat bike trail groomer Human Powered Trail Grooming - Home

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    You should consider a week-end trip to Ottawa during the winter... it's only a few hours away from TO and one of the best places in the country for XC skiing. I am fortunate to have access to the Gatineau park trails 5 minutes from my house; so for me it's mountain biking until November then there are 200+km of professionally groomed trails for XC, skate skiing, and snowshoeing. They close the roads for winter to make some of the trails, its especially great for skate skiing. You can also spend a night in a hut, cabin or yurt.

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    I have been XC skiing for at least 30 years (I'm 37!) and just started skate skiing three or four years ago. I have not looked back since! It's a completely different sport than nordic or xc skiing. You get to use completely different muscles and at first I had to stop every 20 metres just to rest... but after your muscles get used to it, it's really great; it's faster, more exiting; you work out more; waxing is much simpler. It's a very low body impact sport, and your entire body works out. It's open to anyone and no-one cares if your equipment dates back to the 1930s.

    I hope you enjoy it!

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    Thanks for the info 08FXT. Very good to know about Otawa.
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    I bought XC Ski gear at the end of last winter....yet to use it.
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    I've been thinking about getting back into it for many years and this thread finally got me to act.
    my wife and I went to the old Loretto ski shop and bought new skiis boots and poles.
    there is also a ski swap going on there.
    now I can hardly wait for some good snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailtrash View Post
    I've been thinking about getting back into it for many years and this thread finally got me to act.
    my wife and I went to the old Loretto ski shop and bought new skiis boots and poles.
    there is also a ski swap going on there.
    now I can hardly wait for some good snow.
    thanks for starting the thread serious
    Its a win win situation. You will maybe enjoy winter more, which makes it bearable. You will also gain health benefits at the same time! I am a few weeks away from 63 and my blood pressure is 117 over 77. I attribute that primarily to many years of mtbiking and xc-skiing 8-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailtrash View Post
    I've been thinking about getting back into it for many years and this thread finally got me to act.
    my wife and I went to the old Loretto ski shop and bought new skiis boots and poles.
    there is also a ski swap going on there.
    now I can hardly wait for some good snow.
    thanks for starting the thread serious
    Glad to be of help.

    I am also looking forward to some XC skiing, but today I went mountain biking at Albion Hills and it was absolutely fantastic. The best fall riding day I had this year. Yeah, I work for a bank, so we have the day off. And I took a couple of days vacation, so tomorrow and Thursday I shall milk fall riding for all it is worth.
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    Skied at Hardwood today. Amazing conditions for November 21st!

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    Skied at Hardwood today. Amazing conditions for November 21st!
    I wish I could have gone. And worse, I cannot go tomorrow either.
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    So I just hooked myself up with a set of 'backcountry' XC skis. Fischer Outback 68 along with Salomon boots and bindings. Should be arriving soon.

    Fischer Sports - Nordic Ski Offtrack Cruising - Outback 68

    From what I read, they are just narrow enough that I should be able to use them in track set, though I'm guessing with the width and their steel edges that's pretty taboo, notably at more formal, well groomed XC ski facilities. That's not what I'm really looking for however as I much prefer exploring off the beaten path or at least less formal places.

    Any suggestions of where this might happen within 3 hours of Hamilton? Kolapore seems like a great place. Any other recommendations? I'll certainly be using them locally when there is enough snow, places like Hilton, Dundas Valley, Christie, but would love some more winter adventure and start exploring.

    Between the fatbike, snowshoes and now skis, gonna be a fun winter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    So I just hooked myself up with a set of 'backcountry' XC skis. Fischer Outback 68 along with Salomon boots and bindings. Should be arriving soon.

    Fischer Sports - Nordic Ski Offtrack Cruising - Outback 68

    From what I read, they are just narrow enough that I should be able to use them in track set, though I'm guessing with the width and their steel edges that's pretty taboo, notably at more formal, well groomed XC ski facilities. That's not what I'm really looking for however as I much prefer exploring off the beaten path or at least less formal places.

    Any suggestions of where this might happen within 3 hours of Hamilton? Kolapore seems like a great place. Any other recommendations? I'll certainly be using them locally when there is enough snow, places like Hilton, Dundas Valley, Christie, but would love some more winter adventure and start exploring.

    Between the fatbike, snowshoes and now skis, gonna be a fun winter!
    Very Cool Cpt, I am close to getting some full on BC ski's as well. (I've been using Solomon Snowscapes for the past few years, but really want more float and turning help) Durham/GM/WW is a lot of fun, lots of hills and miles and miles of fun. I was checking out these guys as well... 2014 Fall Season | Five Winds Backcountry Ski Club

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy View Post
    I was checking out these guys as well... 2014 Fall Season | Five Winds Backcountry Ski Club
    We saw this club as well. I messaged them a week ago to see if the membership allowed you to ski other times besides their group ski Sundays. No response yet. Looks like a great place. Good luck finding skis, tommy!

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    Well crap, Googled your new skis and while looking around ran across these Altai Hok Skis. Reviews all seem very good and sounds like more fun than my snowshoes.
    Couldn't resist and have a set on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    So I just hooked myself up with a set of 'backcountry' XC skis. Fischer Outback 68 along with Salomon boots and bindings. Should be arriving soon.

    Fischer Sports - Nordic Ski Offtrack Cruising - Outback 68

    From what I read, they are just narrow enough that I should be able to use them in track set, though I'm guessing with the width and their steel edges that's pretty taboo, notably at more formal, well groomed XC ski facilities. That's not what I'm really looking for however as I much prefer exploring off the beaten path or at least less formal places.

    Any suggestions of where this might happen within 3 hours of Hamilton? Kolapore seems like a great place. Any other recommendations? I'll certainly be using them locally when there is enough snow, places like Hilton, Dundas Valley, Christie, but would love some more winter adventure and start exploring.

    Between the fatbike, snowshoes and now skis, gonna be a fun winter!
    Very nice Jeff. I am sure you will enjoy them, especially if you have spent some time on skis. Right now I am anxious for winter to get started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Well crap, Googled your new skis and while looking around ran across these Altai Hok Skis. Reviews all seem very good and sounds like more fun than my snowshoes.
    Couldn't resist and have a set on the way.
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    Wow, those are really interesting. I am curious how well they glide downhill with the skins on them but I have never actually used skins so I'm maybe over-estimating their stickiness.
    Anyway, very interesting choice. Please share how much fun they are when the snow finally comes back!

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    Very nice Jeff. I am sure you will enjoy them, especially if you have spent some time on skis. Right now I am anxious for winter to get started.
    I've been on XC skis about 5 times in my life (half as a kid). A few more times on downhill skis. We'll see how this goes.

    The first time I was on XC skis as an adult was to ski into a backcountry cabin for a weekend. 27km one way, hilly terrain with a 25 lb pack. Luckily the trail had been broke the weekend before and it hadn't snowed much since, but it was still pretty un-groomed. I wish I had had these skis then, then again constant tumbles into the snow was 'refreshing'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VVagabond View Post
    We saw this club as well. I messaged them a week ago to see if the membership allowed you to ski other times besides their group ski Sundays. No response yet. Looks like a great place. Good luck finding skis, tommy!
    The ski outings for Five Winds are on my home turf...Torrance Barrens/Gravenhurst and the upper reaches of the Severn River Conservation Preserve. They bus up from Toronto. Unfortunately everyone has to come by bus, you can't just meet them at the trailhead, which makes no sense for someone who already lives in the area. I was going to join the club anyway just to get my hands on their trail map! But then I discovered that their trails are on my Ontario Backroads Mapbook - GPS version!! 8-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VVagabond View Post
    Wow, those are really interesting. I am curious how well they glide downhill with the skins on them but I have never actually used skins so I'm maybe over-estimating their stickiness.
    Anyway, very interesting choice. Please share how much fun they are when the snow finally comes back!
    Couldn't find a single bad review. And the best thing, since they are skis, they should break a pretty good fat bike trail. Snowshoes are no good breaking trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Couldn't find a single bad review. And the best thing, since they are skis, they should break a pretty good fat bike trail. Snowshoes are no good breaking trail.
    I had never heard of these skis until seeing your link. Googled them as well and they look like lots of fun. I am going to put them at the top of my Christmas wish list, which pretty much means I buy them for my wife to give to me. Win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhs View Post
    I had never heard of these skis until seeing your link. Googled them as well and they look like lots of fun. I am going to put them at the top of my Christmas wish list, which pretty much means I buy them for my wife to give to me. Win win.
    There used to be some good threads about them on the teletalk forums until that site went belly-up. My local outdoor shop carries these, and I've always been curious to try them. I think it could be a great utility setup. I hate snowshoes and only use them when I have to. A similar "ski" is the Marquette Backcountry Ski.

    Another great option for a BC XC ski is the Atomic Sierra or Rainier. The Sierra will fit into a track; the Rainier won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I've been on XC skis about 5 times in my life (half as a kid). A few more times on downhill skis. We'll see how this goes.

    The first time I was on XC skis as an adult was to ski into a backcountry cabin for a weekend. 27km one way, hilly terrain with a 25 lb pack. Luckily the trail had been broke the weekend before and it hadn't snowed much since, but it was still pretty un-groomed. I wish I had had these skis then, then again constant tumbles into the snow was 'refreshing'.
    Well, you are a brave man. But you are athletic and in fantastic shape, so I see good things for you. And we have to find a way to enjoy winter, no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Well crap, Googled your new skis and while looking around ran across these Altai Hok Skis. Reviews all seem very good and sounds like more fun than my snowshoes.
    Couldn't resist and have a set on the way.
    Cheaper here than the US sites after exchange plus free shipping Altaï Hok 145cm skis - Outdoor Gear & Equipment –- Free shipping in Canada | La Cordée
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    Can't wait for the snow now. Ordered a set on the 25th and they are here already.
    Look even better in real than the pics on the website. Construction looks to be of high quality with steel edges and a nice top cap with minimal but cool graphics.
    Looks like the snow shoes might be feeling left out this winter.

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    So, wonder if we'll get enough snow to try the new skis out? All be gone on Sunday/Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    So, wonder if we'll get enough snow to try the new skis out? All be gone on Sunday/Monday.
    Not sure if we'll be taking these out with the first snowfall (unless it's 12" +) but I got the bindings mounted up tonight.

    Bring on the snow! Or bring on the driving! BCD, you giving backcountry tours around Bracebridge this year ? The times we've planned to come up for fatbiking were spoiled by horrible weather.

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    I looked at the Hok's and BC skis, but decided to use my skinny skis whenever I can. I went out once after we had a few cm of snow in late August. The skis are at the door awaiting tomorrow's snow. I like to go early and use a trail running headlight. Can't wait! And if I can ride this weekend...love the contradictions winter brings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    Not sure if we'll be taking these out with the first snowfall (unless it's 12" +) but I got the bindings mounted up tonight.

    Bring on the snow! Or bring on the driving! BCD, you giving backcountry tours around Bracebridge this year ? The times we've planned to come up for fatbiking were spoiled by horrible weather.
    I'm always up for a tour through some Muskoka, be it by fat bike, on skis, or snowshoes
    Last winter was all about skiing and shoeing for me. This winter looks like it might be full of crazy weather swings, so it's good to have all the options!
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    Ahhh...nice snow. Blazed my own trail for over an hour - I'm exhausted! Much harder than nicely groomed trails, but I find this more enjoyable. If I didn't have to shovel my driveway it would have been perfect.

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    So I went XC skiing today at Hardwood Hills. OMG, that was much harder than I expected. Basically spakattack was right.

    The snow was wet and heavy and made it very hard to control my skis. Without steel edges, the skis felt like they had a mind of their own. Even a basic snow plough was freaking impossible to hold. I wish there was a flatter trail (I took the easiest trail) where one can practice. I saw one person with an instructor practicing in front of the chalet, but that is a very small area. The poor guy could barely move, so I have no idea how he was going to take a loop.

    I struggled for about 1h and 15 min and then I had enough. Not because I was exhausted (although my arms certainly felt very tired), but because I was afraid that I would not be able to move tomorrow.

    I do hope my next time will be better. The temps and the snow will make a big difference, so I might wait until it is colder and the snow drier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    So I went XC skiing today at Hardwood Hills. OMG, that was much harder than I expected. Basically spakattack was right.

    The snow was wet and heavy and made it very hard to control my skis. Without steel edges, the skis felt like they had a mind of their own. Even a basic snow plough was freaking impossible to hold. I wish there was a flatter trail (I took the easiest trail) where one can practice. I saw one person with an instructor practicing in front of the chalet, but that is a very small area. The poor guy could barely move, so I have no idea how he was going to take a loop.

    I struggled for about 1h and 15 min and then I had enough. Not because I was exhausted (although my arms certainly felt very tired), but because I was afraid that I would not be able to move tomorrow.

    I do hope my next time will be better. The temps and the snow will make a big difference, so I might wait until it is colder and the snow drier.
    You will do better with cooler temps, plus zero is a real slog on skis.
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    Yesterday skiing in the Adirondacks

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    Makes not bing on the bike not so bad.

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    Wow beautiful, only been once but love the area.
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    That does look nice. We are dealing with disaster here in Ontario after almost a week of warm temps and a lot of rain.
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    Hi Folks
    Been XC skiing since the 70's, and still continue today. Lots of good points mentioned, so I won't repeat. However, it is a great sport of itself, and does take skill to master and enjoy, both classic and skate.

    Once you master the highly groomed trails with classic, venture out into those semi groomed trails, like the ones found at Algonquin Park or even Albion Hills. Then you appreciate the skill developed to keep your balance, maintain some speed, and keep control on those fast and twisty downhills. It's all about balance and timing.

    Good workout for your upper body and leg balance strength.

    Excellent compliment to mountain biking.

    After skiing Hardwood, try Horseshoe Valley as well, North Red Trail. Hills are bigger, and the downhills much more hairy.

    At one time there was a massive trail network of about 200km between Minden and Haliburton. Very challenging and very remote, and all was groomed. Sadly, most is now gone due to lack of funds and private property issues.
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    Went again to Hardwood on Monday. Although snow cover is very thin and conditions are marginal, it was so much better than last weekend. I did Torino (5km course) 3 times and loved it. I cannot wait to ski in decent conditions. And I still don't understand how a beginner, who has never been on any skis or skates, could handle this course.

    Anyway, I think skate skiing and I will get along very well.


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    Well, got to try out my skis for the first time this weekend. Got fed up waiting for some snow down this way so headed up to Gravenhurst/Bracebridge area. If you've been following the weather at all, it was snowing there all last week. And not just gently, they were getting hit with 10-30cm daily.

    Headed up Friday night. Drive up was good until Orillia then the wall of snow hit. Woke up Saturday to another 10-15 cm on the truck. Having been in contact with local legend BlackCanoeDog, we decided on going to the Bracebridge Resource Management Center (BRMC) Saturday morning. It was still snowing pretty good and the BRMC was just groomed with 1/2 track-set (volunteers on snowmobile). It's a beautiful area, most of the ski trails are 'single-track' and much runs along the Muskoka river. It was a great place to get some more experience on skis, plus not have break trail through 2+ feet of snow. It snowed more while out skiing.



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    Saturday after, BlackCanoeDog (and his dog Blue) joined us for a snowshoe at Hardy Lake P.P. We arrived to find some tracks leading down the trail, unfortunately they stopped about 50m later. And you can see why, it was a slog. 3km in about 2 hours. The bottle of wine, fire and lake view at the B&B Saturday night was well earned.



    The intention was to backcountry ski Torrence Barrens at some point on the weekend, but given the sheer amount of snow, it wasn't appealing to be the ones to break trial there as well. So BlackCanoeDog joined us for a ski at BRMC again.


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    We'll be back up in February for 4 days and hopefully get to explore the back country a little more.
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    More of CptSydor & VVagabond's Muskoka Winter weekend...



























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    All I can say is...

    BRRR!!!...lol
    <iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/77177549?color=f0ec00" width="450" height="253" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/77177549">Naked Ski and Snowboard Segment from VALHALLA</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/backcountryski">Sweetgrass Productions</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Hey - did I spot an insulated skirt on VV? Very nice. Looks amazing. Want snow!!! The boy has skis - we're ready!
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    You did, Nerdgirl! I finally got one this year and it's been so great. No cold tush for me!
    If you get out skiing, we'll need pictures of T skiing! That would be adorable.
    I miss snow. Thanks BCD for your company this weekend!

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    That looked like a lot of fun. I took the fat bike out yesterday for a couple of hours for a token snow ride. I guess I'll have to head north for some of the white stuff. Looks like a bit much for the bike though.
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    After reading this thread over the holidays I got myself some cross country skiis. I had been out once last winter on some rentals with my wife on a weekend getaway and it was fun so I figured why not. I have to try to enjoy this snow somehow as we are getting a fair amount this year again in Collingwood. As the majority of the time I will be going out around my house in fields and breaking trail, the guy at the store recommended the Rossignal BC70's (I believe someone else here has them) and they have been great so far. I am a bigger guy so the extra width for float has been a great bonus. Been out 6 times so far in the past two weeks, it has been great so far.

    Just want to say thanks for posting about them as it gave me the push to try!

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    Arghhh, it is killing me that I am sick with the flu. Such beautiful pictures!
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    Albion's opening for XC skiing on the 17th.
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    Get out there...

    at this point in time I can't get out as much as I would like, but retirement is not far off

    The jaw-dropping benefits of cross-country skiing - The Globe and Mail

    Back in the day when I worked afternnons and could spend my winter mornings at HH skate skiing, I routinely saw a group of "older" retired lean & mean guys out for their morning group skate. They were obviously in amazing shape!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Albion's opening for XC skiing on the 17th.
    made it out to Albion on the weekend
    was fun but need at least another 15 cm of snow.
    snow was soft on sunday.
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    While I did manage a 70km CX/Road ride yesterday with RiotMTB, seeing as I don't have studs, there was no where local to ride (I bit it hard Wednesday evening trying on the fatbike).

    Decided to trek up to Kolapore today to get some more time in on the skis. It was my first time there (Summer or Winter), had an absolute blast, really enjoyed the off-track/back country skis in there. Slower, but felt far more confident that I have before on XC skis. Was out for 3.5 hours. Not quite the 4 hours of driving from Hamilton, but still worth it. Gonna head back up in a couple weeks if the conditions are good.
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    With the 25cm of snow that fell over night, was able to ski right out of my door this morning, down the side-walk, through a parking lot and was on trails/fields that connect into Cootes Paradise. Played around for a couple hours including on the ice, then skied into my yard!

    Dogs enjoyed themselves, but it was rather deep for little Olive.

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    That looks pretty awesome. Looks like your enjoying your skis. Finally some snow locally. I got out to the Agreement Forest on Saturday and rode till my legs fell off. Conditions were so good, I didn't want to leave. My wife and I are planning a night snow shoe ride tonight at the Credit River trails (Culham). Are you mostly skiing or do you still get out on the fat bike. My wife and I were considering skis, but I could not commit to a schedule as I want to use the time on the fat bike. We ended up getting snow shoes. Less of a financial commitment there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    That looks pretty awesome. Looks like your enjoying your skis. Finally some snow locally. I got out to the Agreement Forest on Saturday and rode till my legs fell off. Conditions were so good, I didn't want to leave. My wife and I are planning a night snow shoe ride tonight at the Credit River trails (Culham). Are you mostly skiing or do you still get out on the fat bike. My wife and I were considering skis, but I could not commit to a schedule as I want to use the time on the fat bike. We ended up getting snow shoes. Less of a financial commitment there.
    I've been riding the fatty as well. Unfortunately not during prime conditions. Until a couple weeks ago it was bare, then it was ice and the past week once we got some snow I got a cold and stayed off the bike. So this past weekend when it was awesome I didn't get out at all, just felt like crap. I probably should have rested today as well, but I couldn't stand it any more.

    Hopefully get out on the fatbike later this week once we get some foot traffic through the valley. Likely shoe/ski to help that out.
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    Yeah conditions around the GTA were ice,ice and more ice. Too bad about this weekend. However, with the dump today and more coming, should make for a nice lasting base for a couple weeks. Looking forward to more riding. I avoided the night rides with all the ice. It's easy to see in the day, but treacherous at night. The shoeing tonight will be on my local riding trail. There a few skiers that create tracks, but I always stay out of them.
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    Yay!!!

    Glad to see the Banana Belt is finally getting some snow!!!
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    Albion is superb atm.

    If anyone has any pointers on downhill confidence I'm all ears. I'm a pretty decent alpine skier but have a real issue on xc skis.

    I know enough to bend the knees, and hands in front, snowplow etc but I get pretty sketched out on descents, I feel like I'm just going faster and faster and faster. In a straight line I can typically manage but if the trail is narrow and has a downward curve I usually lose it.

    Edit: I'm actually considering bringing my xc skis to the bunny slope at a ski hill to practice but have a feeling they won't let me onto the lift.
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    Being able to step turn on descents is a useful skill to have to make those minor correction. Light on your feet, bent knees (attack position) and let 'er run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Albion is superb atm.

    If anyone has any pointers on downhill confidence I'm all ears. I'm a pretty decent alpine skier but have a real issue on xc skis.

    I know enough to bend the knees, and hands in front, snowplow etc but I get pretty sketched out on descents, I feel like I'm just going faster and faster and faster. In a straight line I can typically manage but if the trail is narrow and has a downward curve I usually lose it.

    Edit: I'm actually considering bringing my xc skis to the bunny slope at a ski hill to practice but have a feeling they won't let me onto the lift.
    To add to the tips already given, hands in front but also steer into the turn with your hands. Drop the shoulder somewhat on the outside of the turn, this weighs the outside ski and makes it turn inward. Also be sure to keep your weight forward over the skis as you gain speed, if you sit back on your heels and let the skis get ahead of you, you're going down! properly waxed and consistent gliding skis makes a huge difference too, if the skis are dragging intermittently instead of gliding smoothly that will throw your balance off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhs View Post
    Can't wait for the snow now. Ordered a set on the 25th and they are here already.
    Look even better in real than the pics on the website. Construction looks to be of high quality with steel edges and a nice top cap with minimal but cool graphics.
    Looks like the snow shoes might be feeling left out this winter.

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    Was out at the Culham Trail in Mississauga on Saturday with another fat bike rider. I have never seen so many XC skiers in this trail right in the city. Usually I run into a couple on my ride. We saw a 12-15 easy plus a bunch of shoers. It was nice to see. Most of them were the shufflers, but there were two separate guys that were flying. Basically I was going 80% on the bike to keep up. Looks pretty when you know what you're doing. He also went down a twisting downhill section with no issues at all. Pretty impressive.
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    All excellent suggestions so far but I'll add my two cents too. Relaxing on the descents is very important, along with bending your knees like you said. I also like to drag my poles in the snow in tight, twisty downhills. This gives me more stability and scrubs a little bit of speed.

    And getting wider, more stable backcountry skis increased my confidence so much in twisty, tight downhills. I had no idea how much of a difference they would make. But this won't be a great option for you if you like to ski fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Albion is superb atm.

    If anyone has any pointers on downhill confidence I'm all ears. I'm a pretty decent alpine skier but have a real issue on xc skis.

    I know enough to bend the knees, and hands in front, snowplow etc but I get pretty sketched out on descents, I feel like I'm just going faster and faster and faster. In a straight line I can typically manage but if the trail is narrow and has a downward curve I usually lose it.

    Edit: I'm actually considering bringing my xc skis to the bunny slope at a ski hill to practice but have a feeling they won't let me onto the lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    got a field report on these little puppies? curious to know how well you like them vs the snowshoes
    Funny, they are a boring, wood coloured brown. With the width and length of them, first time I put them on, I felt like I was going skiing in old style water skis.

    I think they are great. Some drawbacks - they don't fit in normal X-country tracks. I don't find them much better on packed, hard or icy trails - I thought the steel edges would help more. Then again, long time since I've been on normal X skis so might be a difference.
    They don't have enough flotation for very deep fluffy snow - I sank pretty deep in some drifts.

    I've been out on them 3 times, going out again this afternoon. On Sat I did just under 9 km all of it on unbroken fresh trails, 6" to a foot of snow. Was great fun, wanted to keep going but was getting so tired. I remember breaking trail with X country skis to be frustrating - it's fun on these. Glide isn't as good as X skis but still useful.
    Haven't hit a hill yet that I've had to herringbone up - usually can just stomp up them.

    If you have an area to ski with ungroomed trails I'd highly recommend them. Possible there could be sales now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Funny, they are a boring, wood coloured brown. With the width and length of them, first time I put them on, I felt like I was going skiing in old style water skis.

    I think they are great. Some drawbacks - they don't fit in normal X-country tracks. I don't find them much better on packed, hard or icy trails - I thought the steel edges would help more. Then again, long time since I've been on normal X skis so might be a difference.
    They don't have enough flotation for very deep fluffy snow - I sank pretty deep in some drifts.

    I've been out on them 3 times, going out again this afternoon. On Sat I did just under 9 km all of it on unbroken fresh trails, 6" to a foot of snow. Was great fun, wanted to keep going but was getting so tired. I remember breaking trail with X country skis to be frustrating - it's fun on these. Glide isn't as good as X skis but still useful.
    Haven't hit a hill yet that I've had to herringbone up - usually can just stomp up them.

    If you have an area to ski with ungroomed trails I'd highly recommend them. Possible there could be sales now.
    I have a great shoeing trail that I keep open, takes me about 1.25 hrs to do the loop each night. Lots of powder conditions, nice turns and up/down transitions. Too tight for a normal BC ski but I thought might be fun on these. This shows typical trail conditions...


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    125 cm Altai Hok/universal bindings...

    on order, watched a bunch of youtube vids and couldn't resist! I think these will be a blast on my shoeing loop and the surrounding terrain which is up and down and along a ridge on the lake. Went with the shorter version, since i need the agility and more snowshoe like qualities.

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    Monora Park in Orangeville conditions are UNREAL - the night ski loop is awesome too perfect conditions and mega fast
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    we also skied monora at night a few days back
    it was amazing.
    also went to albion this past weekend and the conditions there were also amazing
    the parking lots were packed but with so many kms of trails we didn't have any issues with traffic on the trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    125 cm Altai Hok/universal bindings... on order, watched a bunch of youtube vids and couldn't resist! I think these will be a blast on my shoeing loop and the surrounding terrain which is up and down and along a ridge on the lake. Went with the shorter version, since i need the agility and more snowshoe like qualities.
    After going over the trail I broke the other day, I have to say the glide is pretty good, better than I thought. They are a lot less tiring than snow shoes and the stride is more natural.
    I'm sure you'll like them. I've been using the 145's on MTB trails and they worked fine, the 125 should be even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Albion is superb atm.

    If anyone has any pointers on downhill confidence I'm all ears. I'm a pretty decent alpine skier but have a real issue on xc skis.

    I know enough to bend the knees, and hands in front, snowplow etc but I get pretty sketched out on descents, I feel like I'm just going faster and faster and faster. In a straight line I can typically manage but if the trail is narrow and has a downward curve I usually lose it.

    Edit: I'm actually considering bringing my xc skis to the bunny slope at a ski hill to practice but have a feeling they won't let me onto the lift.
    While I have only a handful of days on XC skis, I quickly learned to manage downhills with a snowplough. But unlike in alpine skiing, you cannot pressure the tips. You have to twist and pressure the entire ski. Until you learn to edge & twist both skis together, "twist" one ski at a time while weighing the other ski. So for example, to turn right, place more weight on the right ski, twist the left ski into a half snowplough and they apply progressively more pressure to it. If you don't want to turn, quickly twist the right ski into the snowplough as soon as pressure is committed to the left.

    This independent action makes it easier to get these skis into a snowplough. Eventually you will have enough fine edge control to do it with both skis. At least this worked for me, but I am still learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    got a field report on these little puppies? curious to know how well you like them vs the snowshoes
    I haven't put a lot of time in on these skis. Shortly after getting these, a friend made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a Norco Bigfoot. Getting lots of winter riding in and have been out snowshoeing to pack the trails for fat biking.

    I did get out today for a good trek. Did about 6k in Durham Forest and really enjoyed it. Took a bit to get the hang of them but had no problem on either semi packed single track or deep powder off the trails. I did have a few adventures on a couple of downhill sections but the deep snow was a good cushion for the falls. Like Slash5 I had almost no problems going up hills. Just stomp as you go and they climb really good. The glide, although limited, was a nice bonus over snow shoeing.
    I am looking forward to getting out more on these skis. I am sure that the more I do the more comfortable I will be on them. They won't replace the snowshoes but will give me yet another option on what to do with my free time.
    Gotta love winter in Canada. Now if I could find some time to get out on my downhill skis I would be even happier.

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    Really looking forward to getting the Altai Hoks. The Single pole technique is interesting too. I might make myself one of those
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    The Single pole technique is interesting too.
    Explain?
    Googled "Single pole technique" and got electrical transmission and pole dancing hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Explain?
    Googled "Single pole technique" and got electrical transmission and pole dancing hits.
    This...
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    and this video demonstrates the versatility well...
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    Thank you everyone so much for all the helpful pointers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
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    and this video demonstrates the versatility well...
    That is pretty cool. Looks great on downhills, normal poles are mostly useless on the downhill. I can see it for deep snow when you are breaking trail, not really loosing any glide. I think I'd miss the normal poles for more normal skiing.

    Might have to cut a pole to try for fresh snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    That is pretty cool. Looks great on downhills, normal poles are mostly useless on the downhill. I can see it for deep snow when you are breaking trail, not really loosing any glide. I think I'd miss the normal poles for more normal skiing.

    Might have to cut a pole to try for fresh snow.
    Another great example of using single pole ...
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    altai skis hok

    I ordered hoks from the altai skis website on Tue night, and they were already here by Fri, just in time for a sunny Sat afternoon! So I did 2 hrs of messin' round with them on my trail on the backside of the lake. Great fun these are, the amazing thing is the grip and how well they climb! Almost as good as snow shoes, I have a few steep climbs on the trail and I was able to go straight up with ease, I was not expecting that! The glide isn't much compare to a ski, but on twisty trails in the bush that's actually a good thing. I'm going to glide wax the tips and the tails to see how that goes. My snowshoes are going to be feeling left out...I can tell you that much!



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    I have had a few more outings on these skis and I am now thinking that the snowshoes are going to be only used to pack singletrack for fat biking. These things go through deep snow great and are just plain fun.
    BCD, have you tried the wax on these things yet? Or the pole? It is possible that the pole may be the way to go for descending. I think it would allow you to get your weight back a bit easier to get the tips up more. With the super powdery snow that we have where I am, it is hard to get any speed going down untracked snow. Not sure how good the pole would be for bushwacking though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhs View Post
    I have had a few more outings on these skis and I am now thinking that the snowshoes are going to be only used to pack singletrack for fat biking. These things go through deep snow great and are just plain fun.
    BCD, have you tried the wax on these things yet? Or the pole? It is possible that the pole may be the way to go for descending. I think it would allow you to get your weight back a bit easier to get the tips up more. With the super powdery snow that we have where I am, it is hard to get any speed going down untracked snow. Not sure how good the pole would be for bushwacking though.
    Yes, I have been glide waxing the tips & tails with Toko Express. Makes a significant difference to the glide. I was SO CLOSE to ordering the single pole' I agree about shifting your weight back a bit and then using the pole to maintain balance. I think this would be great anywhere that you are doing substantial downhilling. I'm not, most of my downhilling is short, windy, and through the trees. And after using these almost every night since I got them I have concluded that my backcountry ski poles are the best way to go for my trail(s). Also they give you a bit of upper body workout so its all good! Agreed, I love these things and will only use the shoes now if it gets really hard and icy. At which point I usually can just walk the trail anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    Monora Park in Orangeville conditions are UNREAL - the night ski loop is awesome too perfect conditions and mega fast
    Hey thanks I had never heard of this place, just a half hour away from me!

    Went today, trail was in pretty rough shape from what I saw, started on yellow but got messed up where it goes into the pit, I believe the trail goes past the city sign that basically says you'll die cold and alone if you enter but it was too windy to see.

    Went back a bit and was in some of the red trails, wow hills wasn't expecting such a workout, great climbs. Legs are [email protected]#%ed.

    I found even with all the signage the network was surprisingly difficult to navigate out of that central red area. But I'm not overly bright so that won't apply for most.

    I look forward to these trails, once groomed. I had fun today but for $10 I hoped for a better quality trail. (hard to criticise a private club, I know resources are beyond tight) That said I'll be back, likely many times this season.
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    Altai Hoks at Hardy Lake Trail...





    and some Whippet Skijoring!!!
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    Took my daughter to ride her horse on Sunday so skied around the farm. These skis are made for skiing like this and were brilliant. Amazing how much harder it is out in the open and absolutely no trail.
    Did 4.5 km and was bagged. Usually do 8-9 km at Christie. Up and down big drifts and up and down pretty good hills. Conditions were anything from crusty snow that I was pretty well skating on to couple of feet of powder. The short skis sure make it easier to herringbone up hills.
    The flat grey cloudy light and unmarked snow made it very hard to see the terrain - suddenly find myself going downhill on a drift that I couldn't even see.
    Had a ball and have to go again next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    These skis are made for skiing like this and were brilliant. Amazing how much harder it is out in the open and absolutely no trail.
    Did 4.5 km and was bagged. Usually do 8-9 km at Christie. Up and down big drifts and up and down pretty good hills.
    Even at that , the Hoks are much better in deep powder than snowshoes because you are skiing/sliding them forward. In early January Cpt Sydor, VVagabond and I shoed the short 3K trail at Hardy Lake through thigh deep fresh powder. We were the first people through and it took us 2 hrs breaking trail, picking up the shoes loaded with snow each step.
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    Yes, I find snowshoes start to get me in the hips, specially as I get tired. The skis have a more natural motion than snowshoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Even at that , the Hoks are much better in deep powder than snowshoes because you are skiing/sliding them forward. In early January Cpt Sydor, VVagabond and I shoed the short 3K trail at Hardy Lake through thigh deep fresh powder. We were the first people through and it took us 2 hrs breaking trail, picking up the shoes loaded with snow each step.
    BCD lets me try his Hoks a couple weeks ago at Hardy again, of course I went off the trail with them and it was much, much easier than snowshoeing.
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    I looked those up at the site. You can use those with regular boots with the universal bindings correct? How would those be for harder packed surfaces? I know it's not an XC ski, but can you get along fairly well? I am kind of considering these for next year for my wife and me. Shoeing is ok, but she is looking for something a little more dynamic and these might do the trick. Not looking to set any speed records or anything, but those look like they can handle rougher walked on paths and un-groomed surfaces pretty well. It would not be horribly expensive if special boots are not required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I looked those up at the site. You can use those with regular boots with the universal bindings correct? How would those be for harder packed surfaces? I know it's not an XC ski, but can you get along fairly well?
    Yes, I use the same boot I use for shoeing and general winter wear, and the universal binding is well made and very supportive. You can also use a Backcountry XC ski boot if you prefer. They are great on hardpack, better than a regular XC ski. My friend pictured above got hers shortly after I got mine, and we both love them...both saying we may never snowshoe again!

    This video gives a good overview of the Hoks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I looked those up at the site. You can use those with regular boots with the universal bindings correct? How would those be for harder packed surfaces? I know it's not an XC ski, but can you get along fairly well? I am kind of considering these for next year for my wife and me. Shoeing is ok, but she is looking for something a little more dynamic and these might do the trick. Not looking to set any speed records or anything, but those look like they can handle rougher walked on paths and un-groomed surfaces pretty well. It would not be horribly expensive if special boots are not required.
    My experience having only spoken with BCD and tried them out for 5 minutes myself, but they sound like exactly what you are looking for.

    We bought 'off-track' or back country skis this year and as soon as we tried the Hoks we felt we would have been better served with Hoks, not skis, if we could only have chosen one. Contemplating the Hoks for next year. (Similarly if we had the Hoks, the snowshoes would get used a lot less.)

    They performed just fine on the hard pack (the Hardy Lake trails were firm enough to walk on easily). They have glide to them, so you get more out than you put in as compared to snowshoes. We swapped BCD's pair around between three of us in plain winter boots in a matter of minutes. The bindings were very universal, easy to adjust and comfortable.

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    Thanks for that input. My wife will not go out on a bike in the winter no matter what. She likes to jog in the summer and this would have more of that action than shoeing. Last year was our first year on snow shoes and we enjoyed it. I find it kind of boring compared to fat biking. I know it's a whole different thing, but every time we went, all I could think is that I could be fat biking instead. These have a lot more potential for fun in my eyes. I am thinking of some of the more up and down sections at the Agreement Forest. I think these would be able to handle more twisty and fun terrain than XC skiis with a much easier learning curve. They definitely seem more versatile and fun. Do you guys know of anywhere one would be able to try these out? I don't imagine they rent them anywhere. Just wondering if one could demo them some place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I don't imagine they rent them anywhere. Just wondering if one could demo them some place.
    I doubt it, most people don't know these even exist...including outfitter stores! Muskoka Outfitters told me they are ordering a few pair to sell for their store, but again they didn't know these existed until I got mine.
    I can tell you the grip is impressive, I can climb surprisingly steep slopes without herringbone. That is what has surprised me most. Glide is what I expected, not as good as a ski but pretty good and improves with a rub on glide wax. You will need some Backcountry ski poles or shoeing poles. I really don't see a downside to these!
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    They are going to be on my shopping list for next winter for sure. Since they are such a specialty item, I doubt there will be anyone clearing them out for end of season. I figured that I would need some poles for sure. Since they are so easy to fit on a boot, I might get just one pair to begin with and have both of us try them out. I'm already thinking awesome night outings at my local trail system.
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    My local outdoor shop sells them, and I think I'll watch as they transition to summer inventory. I think I'll dump my Karhu Guides for these. I want to replace the Guides with a Voile BC ski and tech bindings anyway, so this would give me a platform for my Switchback bindings. And I'd probably use that setup more often than any of the others.

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    Where are you located evasive? Which shop is it?
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    XC Skiing Anyone?

    Here's a good review of the Hoks, from one of the better gear sites on the web:

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    Although I am a skier, the reviewer's perspective is spot on with my take on winter travel here in Montana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Where are you located evasive? Which shop is it?
    I'm in Helena, MT, and the shop is called The Basecamp. I'm not sure they'll go on sale, but it doesn't cost me anything to watch.

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    If you are out in the Hamilton area we can meet up and you can try mine.
    I bought mine from LaCordee - you could keep an eye on them for a season end sale. If I saw them on sale I'd be tempted to pickup another pair in the 125cm size for my daughter to try, loaners.
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    They do have steel edges so should be better on packed trails than normal X-skis. However, I found you don't have much control on packed surfaces - not fun. They also don't fit in normal X-trails which can be a pain. I found it's easier to create your own trail than try to make the normal work.
    They do a great job of breaking trail for snowshoes and follow a snowshoe trail pretty well.
    Good point, I don't see ever using my snowshoes again, have to wait until next year to try and sell I guess.

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    Had the pleasure of xc skiing at Scenic Caves on the weekend.

    Let me get the $19 trail fee out of the way first. As a cheap bastard I thought the price was excessive, and it will ultimately deter me from visiting very often.

    Anyways, the quality of the trails was incredible, and in that regards it's the best place I've been to yet. All the trails are wide and cut so perfectly. The width is great (and very smooth) on the downhills.

    I have a feeling this place wouldn't be considered the hardest xc venue, however I felt that the quality of the trail really helped my skiing. I have mentioned here my lack of confidence on dh sections and found that at Scenic Caves, the smoothness of the trail made the hills easy to navigate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    If you are out in the Hamilton area we can meet up and you can try mine.
    I bought mine from LaCordee - you could keep an eye on them for a season end sale. If I saw them on sale I'd be tempted to pickup another pair in the 125cm size for my daughter to try, loaners.
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    They do have steel edges so should be better on packed trails than normal X-skis. However, I found you don't have much control on packed surfaces - not fun. They also don't fit in normal X-trails which can be a pain. I found it's easier to create your own trail than try to make the normal work.
    They do a great job of breaking trail for snowshoes and follow a snowshoe trail pretty well.
    Good point, I don't see ever using my snowshoes again, have to wait until next year to try and sell I guess.
    I ordered mine from the Altai Skis website on a Tuesday night and had them by Friday afternoon. At the moment US and CDN price is the same, who knows for how long! Per my friend's description, had a HOKTASTIC outing tonight in a snow storm skiing my trail through 3" of fresh snow up to mid knee deep drifts
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    I highly recommend these skis as well. They do, for the most part replace snowshoes. I do go to a local woods that has very steep hills that we like to climb up and down for the fun of it. These skis would not be good for that. Also like Slash 5 pointed out, they are a bit skittish on hard packed surfaces. But get into any amount of snow and they are great. It doesn't seem to matter how deep either.
    I bought mine from La Cordee as well and the shipping was super quick. I don't regret buying these at all and always look forward to getting out in the woods with them.

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    You guys convinced me, just ordered a pair of Altai Skis. Looking forward to trying them.

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    XC Skiing Anyone?

    The now defunct TelemarkTalk forum had a couple good threads on Hoks and the Marquette ski. It's kind of funny that one of the better threads on this topic is now on a mountain bike forum.

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    I have to say Black Canoe, you certainly are the innovating pioneer when it comes to outdoor exploring gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricksom View Post
    I have to say Black Canoe, you certainly are the innovating pioneer when it comes to outdoor exploring gear.
    Ha! In large part thanks to these very MTBR Forums! My discovery of the Hoks came right out of this thread. My interest in fat bikes came from reading the Alaska forum 6-7 yrs ago, they were already quite popular there back then. And the tip for my MY2005 Pugsley on Kijiji came out of this forum as well 5-6 yrs ago!
    I do spend a lot of time outdoors, minimum 1 - 1.5 hrs per day with my dog Blue. So I try to make it as fun as possible for him and me!
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    Hoks in milder temps..

    Those of us that ski know that warmer weather brings wetter snow and often snow clumping to the ski base. This can usually be overcome with glide wax on a ski base but what about for the climbing skin inlaid in the base of Hoks? It is has been a couple of months since we have seen any temps at zero or higher here in Muskoka, but it now being March I know its coming sooner rather than later. One tip that I read about on the web re the Hoks was to coat the climbing skin with Silicone Spray! Just thought to share that with all the new Hokkers on here!
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    does anyone know if the trails are open for skiing while the fat tire race is on the 8th of February at hardwood?
    I think I have the date and place correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Those of us that ski know that warmer weather brings wetter snow and often snow clumping to the ski base. This can usually be overcome with glide wax on a ski base but what about for the climbing skin inlaid in the base of Hoks? It is has been a couple of months since we have seen any temps at zero or higher here in Muskoka, but it now being March I know its coming sooner rather than later. One tip that I read about on the web re the Hoks was to coat the climbing skin with Silicone Spray! Just thought to share that with all the new Hokkers on here!
    I may have to stop reading this thread. We are trying not to spend money but I really want the Hoks. I am constantly reminded of how much fun I had on the brief joyride I had on BCD's Hoks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Here's a good review of the Hoks, from one of the better gear sites on the web:

    Altai Skis: The Hok Ski and X-Trace Universal Binding Review @ Backpacking Light

    Although I am a skier, the reviewer's perspective is spot on with my take on winter travel here in Montana.
    Finally had time to read this interesting and detailed review of the Altai Hok. Excellent...thanks for posting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VVagabond View Post
    I may have to stop reading this thread. We are trying not to spend money but I really want the Hoks. I am constantly reminded of how much fun I had on the brief joyride I had on BCD's Hoks.
    Considering where you will be living next winter...its a no-brainer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailtrash View Post
    does anyone know if the trails are open for skiing while the fat tire race is on the 8th of February at hardwood?
    I think I have the date and place correct.
    Yes - there is even a note for racers to watch out for skiers! (ps its on March 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by having fun View Post
    Yes - there is even a note for racers to watch out for skiers! (ps its on March 8)
    thanks
    still feels like February.
    hoping to get up there to cheer on friends in the race as well as get in a ski
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    Will be a great weekend, temps just below freezing and dusting of snow forecast
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    The Hoksters of Hardy Lake...

    I knew immediately after my first few outings on the Hoks that I would rarely if ever snowshoe again! Of course having nature trails like the Gull Lake trail almost on my doorstep for every evening after work and beautiful Hardy Lake or Torrance Barrens minutes away for weekends, as well as being able to take my dog Blue along too, are all big parts of the attraction to this type of skiing.
    It was while doing the 8K loop around Hardy Lake this weekend that I realized that my visits to groomed xc ski venues may be drastically curtailed in future as well! And this coming from a guy who loves his xc-skiing! These Hoks are just that much fun!
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    Was out at the horse farm on Sunday, figure it may be the last X-skiing of the year down here in the golden horseshoe. This week's temps aren't going to leave too much good snow. The center of the plowed fields are poking through already.
    Amazing the difference in the crusty, wetter snow. Was able to just walk up most of the hills, lot less glide. The noise the skis made sounded like a video game.

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    I skied at Hilton Falls on Saturday and Sunday. Conditions were quite good, but I'm sure this week's warmer temps will melt most of the snow. There were rocks just poking through the surface of the snow. On Saturday I stopped on a bridge and remarked that there was just a tiny little window in the ice were you could see water. I looked at that same spot on Sunday, and the creek was more than 50% open water. :O
    I have loved skiing, and I don't even mind the deep freeze temperatures of winter but oh man! A warm-ish breeze touched my face this morning and I am all ready for the season to come!
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    Anyone been to Albion in the last few days? I've been out of town and understand it's been much 'warmer' here lately.

    Edit: OK so they're now closed, pity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Anyone been to Albion in the last few days? I've been out of town and understand it's been much 'warmer' here lately.

    Edit: OK so they're now closed, pity
    Greg_o, I was there on Sunday doing a snowshoe run. Conditions are all over the map. Forests are anywhere from bare to 2 feet snow covered, including icy stuff here and there. Most of the XC ski trails are in rough condition, hence why they are closed. However, snowshoeing is still quite good in the deciduous forests (not so much in the conifers). I can see Fat biking and studded tire biking being pretty good as long as temps are below 0C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricksom View Post
    I can see Fat biking and studded tire biking being pretty good as long as temps are below 0C.
    Yep...my favourite time of year for fat biking
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    Ricksom thanks for the update. I have two friends that appreciate the snowshoe info and I'll be in there on the fatty in the next day or two, thinking it'll be getting sloppy out there fast this spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Thanks for that input. My wife will not go out on a bike in the winter no matter what. She likes to jog in the summer and this would have more of that action than shoeing. Last year was our first year on snow shoes and we enjoyed it. I find it kind of boring compared to fat biking. I know it's a whole different thing, but every time we went, all I could think is that I could be fat biking instead. These have a lot more potential for fun in my eyes. I am thinking of some of the more up and down sections at the Agreement Forest. I think these would be able to handle more twisty and fun terrain than XC skiis with a much easier learning curve. They definitely seem more versatile and fun. Do you guys know of anywhere one would be able to try these out? I don't imagine they rent them anywhere. Just wondering if one could demo them some place.
    Winter is coming...

    When the snow flies I always throw my backcountry skis in the car when I go out for a ride. If the snow conditions on the trail are no good for biking I strap on the skis instead and don't waste the outing. I might look odd to some skiing with a bike helmet and light on, but I don't care. I do most of my riding (and skiing) at the Agreement Forest, there are no issues using backcountry skis in there on 90% of the trails.

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    Hardwood Hills is open with very decent conditions for skate skiing. I was there yesterday struggling through 20km. This is only my 6th time XC skiing, so still a beginner. Loved it however.

    Today is a demo day, which means lots of people will be there, so I shall not go. I will try to go Sunday.
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    Love my Hoks!

    BTW ...did I mention I love my Altai Hoks? Oh Ya ...that was last year! Winter is nicely underway in Muskoka and I have had a HOKING GOOD TIME on my lake trail these past few days...




































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    You post some of the best pictures BlackCanoeDog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    You post some of the best pictures BlackCanoeDog.
    thanks, glad that you enjoy!!!
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    Altai Hok ski owners beware...

    I had just come in from skiing my lake trail this evening, and was unstrapping the Hoks to dry the moisture off behind the wood stove when PLUNK ...half of the harness that goes over the foot near the ankle fell down to the floor!!
    This is a 2 piece strap that is joined by a black Philips head machine screw. Amazingly the machine screw was also lying on the floor!!!
    Its a 10 minute hike to and from the trailhead with the skis and poles in a sling across my back, it's a miracle that I didn't lose half the strap and the machine screw on either the walk or while skiing!! I checked the other one and it was quite loose too, this is obviously something that needs to be checked periodically for tightness. So heads up to any owner of Hoks in the crowd with the Universal bindings mounted, check that screw on your bindings.

    ps- subsequently noticed same type screw is used to fasten the clasps to the bindings, and one of those was loose too.
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    Hoks on the Barrens

    A morning ski with my fur buddy Blue at the Torrance Barrens~10K of powder on the awesome Altai Hoks




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