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    Is there a need or want for XX1 eTap?

    Spring release of the road top of the line Red. Whispers of the dirt version already, presumably it won't be a 2x setup since SRAM is all in with 1x. And seeing as how di2's ace up the sleeve is synchro and most feel di2 in a 1x isn't as appealing even when used with a 10-42, do you think SRAM comes out with an XX1 eTap?

    For you 1x11 riders would you go for a wireless electric 1x drivetrain?

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    I want. Clean and simple. One shifter and derailleur.

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    Look, electronic shifting is pretty damn good and eliminates the cable issues that plague mtb. The cost is the super steep entry price and the bugs that inevitably plague the first few iterations (like with every step change really).

    Once they get that sorted and the price isn't requiring of a 2nd mortgage just for a gruppo I'll be on board.....
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    Pricing....msrp of the RED eTap is $590 and msrp of Red mechanical is $300. I haven't looked into online/coupon/ebay prices, but double msrp??

    XTR di2 rear D can be had for $400 on sale, right shifter for $150...but then you need $100 battery, about $40 in wires, at least one junction at $60 and optional few other items at $70 to $100 just for a 1x di2.

    eBay and online prices for xtr di2 are much less than QBP. Looking at QBP prices for SRAM vs online/ebay, it seems prices are similar. Both around 30 to 35% less msrp.
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    I would love wireless 1x11 for both mtb and cx. Obviously needs to be dependable. I understand it will be a premium $$. It would probably trickle down to lower levels but I don't know if I could wait.

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    I can't believe SRAM eTap mountain is not a reality yet. Shimano Di2 is awesome but honestly ditch the cables bro, so 1999 with the cables. I keep postponing a new bike because as soon as I Plop down $$$$ they will say, "This just out, eTap MTB!!!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvetmidget View Post
    I can't believe SRAM eTap mountain is not a reality yet. Shimano Di2 is awesome but honestly ditch the cables bro, so 1999 with the cables. I keep postponing a new bike because as soon as I Plop down $$$$ they will say, "This just out, eTap MTB!!!".
    cables work good

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRandall View Post
    Look, electronic shifting is pretty damn good and eliminates the cable issues that plague mtb.
    Hmmm....

    Many, many years of cables and several tens of thousands of trouble-free miles. The same time applies in maintaining mountain bikes since the 80's and I can't say I understand or have any experience with this plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
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    Cables work very good. I don't think I have had a single cable issue since my first race bike in 1987. Its 2018, I have money to burn on my mtn bike and I want eTap. Once you have tried it on road and see how well it works... you might want it too.

    The argument that cables work fine is pointless. We all know they do. I want something that works better. Do you want to drive a 1980 porsche 911 or do you want to drive a 2018 porsche 911? The 1980 runs and works just fine but the 2018 is 300x more fun. You ride cables, I'll ride eTap.

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    I could see the benefit in precisely indexing the narrower 12sp chainline if they come out with an eTap version for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvetmidget View Post
    Cables work very good. I don't think I have had a single cable issue since my first race bike in 1987. Its 2018, I have money to burn on my mtn bike and I want eTap. Once you have tried it on road and see how well it works... you might want it too.

    The argument that cables work fine is pointless. We all know they do. I want something that works better. Do you want to drive a 1980 porsche 911 or do you want to drive a 2018 porsche 911? The 1980 runs and works just fine but the 2018 is 300x more fun. You ride cables, I'll ride eTap.
    I don't like the new GT3 RS, it looks too gaudy and outlandish to me. So probably a 959...
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    I have Di2 on all my bikes. 6 now I think. It is amazing, I have only had one issue with it and it was during Leadville. The junction box in the frame came loose. Had it been wireless, I wouldn't have had that problem.
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    I am not a fan of wireless stuff.

    My HR monitor doesn't always connect, my power pedals don't always connect, my smart trainer sometimes doesn't connect right away.
    Last thing I want is my shifters not connecting.

    I'm fine with robust wires, and Di2 is superb off road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvetmidget View Post
    You ride cables, I'll ride eTap.
    So you're not riding then?

    Hard to ride something that doesn't exist. You dug up a 3 year old post. My point...it's been three years and there still isn't a workable product.

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    I like that I don't have to charge my bike. On short notice, I have to top up the air in my tires. Don't have to lube the chain before EVERY ride most of the time. Worst case I am due to lube the chain, too.

    With electronic shifting - nah. Gotta pay attention to the charge, or one day I'll grab it and it won't work. Or worse, the battery will die on a ride. At least with a Shimano wired drivetrain, there's only one battery to deal with. For etap, you've got multiple batteries. And those batteries don't last forever. Over time, they lose capacity and you have to replace them. Yeah, I have to replace cables, too...but those are wicked cheap in comparison to replacing batteries on electronic drivetrain bits.

    Sure, electronic FUNCTIONS very well. I've ridden road versions of both Shimano's and SRAM's electronic drivetrains. But I don't actually want either on any of my bikes.

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    While I'd be happy to ditch cables, what I'd really like is a one-derailleur-fits-all approach to cassettes. Programming an electronic mech to handle a 7-speed or a 10-speed or some future 13-speed would be trivial. It'd be an end to the drivetrain upgrade cycle.

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    Setting up and maintaining a derailleur isn't difficult. Maintaining cables isn't either.

    I do however, understand the interest in going electronic. It's just of little interest to me at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    While I'd be happy to ditch cables, what I'd really like is a one-derailleur-fits-all approach to cassettes. Programming an electronic mech to handle a 7-speed or a 10-speed or some future 13-speed would be trivial. It'd be an end to the drivetrain upgrade cycle.
    For the most part, you can do that - with a friction shifter. The compatibility problems stem from differences in indexing and cable pull between different generations of shifters.

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    I know at least 4 people using eTap road, they're totally delighted with it, and it's been bulletproof. I know many more people using Di2, and a fair fraction of them that have had issues with it. Personally, I would not want Di2 but I would be happy to get eTap on a road bike. Mtb? 1x already reduces the issues with mechanical nearly by half. I'm perfectly happy with mechanical on the mtb.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    I'm perfectly happy with mechanical on the mtb.

    I actually thought I'd find the Di2 to be "over-rated" for mountain bikes.
    I put Ultegra 6870 on my road bike in 2016. THen, when I built up my Scarp, I put XTR Di2 in a 2x format, as I wanted a stupid high end "premier" bike that had it all.

    Well, I "like" the Di2 on the road, I can take or leave it easy.

    Mountain however - with the sometimes sloppy crappy mud, and at other times stupid cold temps, I find the Di2 to be absolutley worth it on the moutnain bike.

    Muddy ride? Still precise. I have had mechanical bind up or skip when it's bad out.
    Cold? My cables no longer freeze in the housing, so I have shifting no matter what!
    I've been extremely pleased with Di2 mountain. I don't know I want to go back to mechanical off road. But road, yeah, if it gave me any hassles, I don't know if I'd spend the money to fix it. I'd probably just buy mechanical!
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    I absolutely love my DA Di2 on my road bike. Never had a single issue in 3 years. Charged it maybe 5 times total. SOOO smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    For the most part, you can do that - with a friction shifter. The compatibility problems stem from differences in indexing and cable pull between different generations of shifters.
    True, but not terribly useful. I like my indexing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    True, but not terribly useful. I like my indexing.
    It's plenty useful, but yes, indexing is very handy.

    My road bike has friction and index shifting modes. And yes, I have used it in friction mode.

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