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    Sunrace CSMX8 11-46 Quality and Durability

    Hi,

    I'm considering this cassette for my next upgrade, but upon doing more research, i came across posts where people actually "bend" the largest cog due to pedaling force. Most of these posts are older, but obviously a concern.

    Can anyone with this cassette chime in on the long-term durability of the product?

    My other option is to get XD driver and use GX cassette. Currently using XT mech and shifter with NX cassette.
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    MS8 is all steel, works good and strong

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    I currently have 3 of them and have had several more on past bikes.

    Great cassette - especially for the price


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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    I currently have 3 of them and have had several more on past bikes.

    Great cassette - especially for the price

    just clarifying - you're referring to the MX8 right? with aluminum 46 cog?
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    Some people will bend ANY cassette with alu cogs. If you're one of those, then stay with steel.

    There are two of the MX8 cassettes in my garage. One doesn't have much use, as it's on a secondary bike, but the other has some miles on it. I'm up to 855mi and it's still working well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Some people will bend ANY cassette with alu cogs. If you're one of those, then stay with steel.

    There are two of the MX8 cassettes in my garage. One doesn't have much use, as it's on a secondary bike, but the other has some miles on it. I'm up to 855mi and it's still working well.
    Thanks - good to hear that. My only experience is with NX cassette, and since i'm getting a new wheelset, i'm contemplating either going the standard Hub with Sunrace or XD drive with GX cassette. While i can climb almost everything in my local trail with 42, the prospect of having a 46T bailout gear is tempting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bim6180 View Post
    Thanks - good to hear that. My only experience is with NX cassette, and since i'm getting a new wheelset, i'm contemplating either going the standard Hub with Sunrace or XD drive with GX cassette. While i can climb almost everything in my local trail with 42, the prospect of having a 46T bailout gear is tempting.
    Only thing I'm not a fan of is that even the MX8 is kinda porky. But, the price is right to accept that.

    Where I live, everything is climbable (when I'm fresh) without using the 46t cog. But once I've put some miles in, or I'm near the top of a climb that's several miles long, and I'm tired, I'm glad to have it. I put a smaller chainring on several months ago, and I JUST realized last week that I'd been running my chain too long. But it was never a problem because I still don't ever use the 11t cog. So when I put on a fresh chain I fixed that. But I was amused. Even the 11-46 has more range than I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bim6180 View Post
    just clarifying - you're referring to the MX8 right? with aluminum 46 cog?
    Correct. 11-46 11speed with largest cog being alloy.

    They make an all steel cassette and I think they also make a cassette weíre the largest two cogs are alloy. I donít have experience with either of those.

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    Very happy with mine. Run it on all my bikes, no issues at all.

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    Thanks all. Good to hear. Yeah, i'm not interested in getting the all steel one. As it is, the MX8 is pretty porky already.
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    I've been running one MX8 for a solid 1400 miles of techy trail. An additional several hundred on the Shimano 11/46 as well before switching over to Sunrace for that 42T cog that Shimano lacks. Like Harold, I don't need that 46 a whole lot on my suspension bike. It runs flawlessly. I have one on my newer Karate Monkey 650Fatty also and it is flawless with a few hundred miles. That's my trail work bike so it runs a Robert Axle with a BoB Ibex trail and a rack on it over that back wheel. It gets the shit torqued out of it while under extreme load and I do run it in the 46 cog while towing and hammering up steep climbs. I'm doing that rather than pushing it up while I'm still able. 46T is plenty enough for my 57 y/o getaway sticks! Anything more seems silly at this point and I'll take up quilting when I can't pedal that anymore after dropping to a 28T chainring from my 30T oval.

    I'll note that I did try a Box 46T which is identical and made by Sunrace for Box and I could not for the life of me get that cassette to shift cleanly on any of my 2 geared mtb's which ALL sport Shimano XTR Shifter/Derailleur combos. No amount of tinkering or hanger adjustment with my new Park Tool could get it to stop making noise and being lazy on some shifts. None of my MX8's have had anything close to this issue on the same bikes. Just food for thought in case you run across one and are tempted.

    And btw, if you're running a Shimano freehub, I'd stick with it. I'm in the "XD Shmex-Dee" club with their limited offerings, super high cost. It seems silly to me to make such a conversion because the expense to convert coupled with the limited less expensive or stupid high dollar cost of a consumable cassette. If you need a 50T, Shimano is doing that now at an affordable price right out on the market. No hub conversion needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I've been running one MX8 for a solid 1400 miles of techy trail. An additional several hundred on the Shimano 11/46 as well before switching over to Sunrace for that 42T cog that Shimano lacks. Like Harold, I don't need that 46 a whole lot on my suspension bike. It runs flawlessly. I have one on my newer Karate Monkey 650Fatty also and it is flawless with a few hundred miles. That's my trail work bike so it runs a Robert Axle with a BoB Ibex trail and a rack on it over that back wheel. It gets the shit torqued out of it while under extreme load and I do run it in the 46 cog while towing and hammering up steep climbs. I'm doing that rather than pushing it up while I'm still able. 46T is plenty enough for my 57 y/o getaway sticks! Anything more seems silly at this point and I'll take up quilting when I can't pedal that anymore after dropping to a 28T chainring from my 30T oval.

    I'll note that I did try a Box 46T which is identical and made by Sunrace for Box and I could not for the life of me get that cassette to shift cleanly on any of my 2 geared mtb's which ALL sport Shimano XTR Shifter/Derailleur combos. No amount of tinkering or hanger adjustment with my new Park Tool could get it to stop making noise and being lazy on some shifts. None of my MX8's have had anything close to this issue on the same bikes. Just food for thought in case you run across one and are tempted.

    And btw, if you're running a Shimano freehub, I'd stick with it. I'm in the "XD Shmex-Dee" club with their limited offerings, super high cost. It seems silly to me to make such a conversion because the expense to convert coupled with the limited less expensive or stupid high dollar cost of a consumable cassette. If you need a 50T, Shimano is doing that now at an affordable price right out on the market. No hub conversion needed.
    Thanks. Yea, i can climb pretty much anything on my local trails with 42 (and 30 chainring), but like harold said, having that 46 when you're dog tired will definitely help. I did a nasty climb toward the end of my 2.5hr ride yesterday when i'm already tired. Made it up fine, but i paid for it with nasty cramp on my quads afterwards as i tried to get back to my car before running out of daylight. That wasn't fun. My guess is if i had the 46, i would've been completely fine. The climb just pushed me to overdrive i guess.

    Might give it a try while i still have my old wheelset. If i really like it, my new wheelset will be ordered with regular drive.

    BTW, you mentioned shimano has a 50t offering now? which was is that? i thought the new XTR is a 12 speed with a different hub standard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bim6180 View Post

    BTW, you mentioned shimano has a 50t offering now? which was is that? i thought the new XTR is a 12 speed with a different hub standard?
    TBH, I hadn't read that deeply into it. Appealing because it was Shimano finally doing something to counter Eagle but I "skimmed" since I have no interest in a 50T anything so perhaps your right. I wasn't aware of a new hub. I guess I'll have to look closer and see what changed.

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    One more question - does SRAM chain work well with this cassette? or should i get KMC instead? I'm currently using a brand new SRAM PC-X1 chain that i got when i installed XT mech a couple of weeks ago
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    I have always had good luck and smooth running with Sram chain but have no experience with it on the Sunrace. I run XT or XTR on my 2 geared bikes.

    My Karate Monkey had a KMC that came with it new. I ran that after converting from NX to XTR and Sunrace and that chain was very noisy and rough even though it was sized right. I pitched it and put on the XT and solved the issue.

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    ok. I would hate buying another new chain since this SRAM one is brand new and i like how it shifts on NX cassette with XT mech. I guess i'll just have to find out. If anyone has experience with MX8 cassette using SRAM chain, please chime in
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    Also, for those who uses sunrace 11-46 with XT mech - do you think i need goatlink 11 to get everything working correctly? any difference with or without Goatlink 11 for this setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bim6180 View Post
    Also, for those who uses sunrace 11-46 with XT mech - do you think i need goatlink 11 to get everything working correctly? any difference with or without Goatlink 11 for this setup?
    No, do not need the goatlink.

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    I've run this cassette for the past 2 years or so with zero issues. I've only replaced mine due to wear, not to actually bending anything but I don't pedal mash on climbs or sprints. I have the Box version as well which I ride regularly with zero issues.

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    Great - one less thing to buy Thanks
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    After one year and about 1000km it was time to replace my CSMX8. I did not bend the largest cog as it was already the thicker edition but instead 4th and 5th cog were bent a bit causing occasional problems. Also, 13t (10th) cog was slipping if I applied some power. Yes, I'm a heavier guy but still that's too short lifetime for my liking.

    Edit. Here's video of the wobble:
    https://youtu.be/hlpy73RAiG4

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    Ditto here. Plenty of miles on several of the SunRace cassettes, 9,10&11 spds! Just got a BOX Components (same as SR MX8)11/46t to replace the stock 11/42t NX cassette on my 5010.

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    Got a question for everyone here. I've searched around a bit, and didn't see this exact thing mentioned, so I thought I'd check in this thread first.

    I've got an 11 speed NX drivetrain, with the NX rear mech, and the typical 11-42 cassette. According to the SRAM website, the max cassette size for the rear mech is 42t.

    Has anyone confirmed that it actually works with the 46t Sunrace cassette? I'd love to upgrade to one eventually, but I'm just not sure it will work. I've seen references saying it works ok with the rear tension screw adjusted, but I've not really heard anything concrete.

    Like others here, the 11-42 NX cassette on my bike is fine for the most part, but at the end of longer climbs/rides, the 46t bailout would be nice.

    Thanks .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Got a question for everyone here. I've searched around a bit, and didn't see this exact thing mentioned, so I thought I'd check in this thread first.

    I've got an 11 speed NX drivetrain, with the NX rear mech, and the typical 11-42 cassette. According to the SRAM website, the max cassette size for the rear mech is 42t.

    Has anyone confirmed that it actually works with the 46t Sunrace cassette? I'd love to upgrade to one eventually, but I'm just not sure it will work. I've seen references saying it works ok with the rear tension screw adjusted, but I've not really heard anything concrete.

    Like others here, the 11-42 NX cassette on my bike is fine for the most part, but at the end of longer climbs/rides, the 46t bailout would be nice.

    Thanks .
    It will work.
    I'm currently building a NX 11spd with a GX trigger and the 11-46 Sunrace.
    There a few guys who run the NX with a 11-50 which is kinda too muchin my opinion.
    But to each their own I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTrustMan View Post
    It will work.
    I'm currently building a NX 11spd with a GX trigger and the 11-46 Sunrace.
    There a few guys who run the NX with a 11-50 which is kinda too muchin my opinion.
    But to each their own I guess.
    Awesome, thanks for the info man.

    Most of what I found previously was saying it only worked with GX rear mechs, or other things like that. And when I checked SRAMs website, and the official support page for it says the max size was 42t, I got worried.

    Did you have to adjust the rear tension screw much? Or even potentially use a longer one?

    Or was it pretty much just swap it out/swap it in easy?

    Not worried about having to tune things after a cassette swap like that, just want to know if I need additional parts/etc.

    Thanks again .

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    Sunrace CSMX8 11-46 Quality and Durability

    Quote Originally Posted by hece View Post
    After one year and about 1000km it was time to replace my CSMX8. I did not bend the largest cog as it was already the thicker edition but instead 4th and 5th cog were bent a bit causing occasional problems. Also, 13t (10th) cog was slipping if I applied some power. Yes, I'm a heavier guy but still that's too short lifetime for my liking.

    Edit. Here's video of the wobble:
    https://youtu.be/hlpy73RAiG4
    I had one of these a couple years back and the same thing happened after a month. SunRace sent me a new set of cogs(the bigger half). The cogs were aluminum and they gave me the option of an aluminum replacement or a I could wait a few weeks for a steel one. I opted for the aluminum, and a friend of mine has the cassette now and itís been worry free for a year.
    EDIT: Sorry, I should have specified, this was on there 10/42 cassette not the 11/46
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Awesome, thanks for the info man.

    Most of what I found previously was saying it only worked with GX rear mechs, or other things like that. And when I checked SRAMs website, and the official support page for it says the max size was 42t, I got worried.

    Did you have to adjust the rear tension screw much? Or even potentially use a longer one?

    Or was it pretty much just swap it out/swap it in easy?

    Not worried about having to tune things after a cassette swap like that, just want to know if I need additional parts/etc.

    Thanks again .
    I'm not done yet. Maybe Sunday if I find the time.
    I'm making a big overhaul of my hardtail. It gets DT spline E1900 wheels set up tubeless, a dropper post and the new drivetrain.

    But yes you need to adjust the B screw.
    The red Sram Eagle B-Screw tool works pretty great even for non Eagle stuff or other derailleurs, btw ;D

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    Just put a BOX(SunRace)11/46t cassette on my 5010 with NX der. Working fine. Will be upgrading to a better tier shifter soon but for its quality not because of issue with the bigger cassette cog.

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    Anyone have a lead on a CSMX80 11-46?
    I can easily source a CSMX8 11-46 but I'd like to find a CSMX80 if possible.
    All I can find is the 11-50 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxMustang50 View Post
    Anyone have a lead on a CSMX80 11-46?
    I can easily source a CSMX8 11-46 but I'd like to find a CSMX80 if possible.
    All I can find is the 11-50 version.
    I think the CSMX80 is the 11-50 only.
    What you need is the CSMX8

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    Today I was able to almost finish my bike build.
    Still a bit left to do.

    Put on the CSMX8 11-46 cassette.
    A Sram NX derailleur, GX trigger, GX 12 spd Eagle Chain and a Truvativ crank with a cheap chinese n/w 32t alloy ring. ( love those cheap rings as they work well and last long )

    But most important, I could finally ditch out my old Shimano Shadow derailleur.
    God I hated that thing. Shittiest rear mech ever.

    Adjusting was so easy and the red Sram Eagle tool worked great
    to find the right amount of B-screw.

    I have zero back pedal issues, all gears shift nice.
    The NX can handle the 46t with ease.
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    So I heard back from Sunrace;
    Sorry for the 11-46 no one is carrying the CSMX80 here in North America, only the 11-50. You will only find the CSMX8 which is the exact same cassette but only has one aluminum low gear as opposed to two. Weight difference is minimal, CSMX80 11-46 464g vs CSMX8 11-46 485g.
    So they make an 80 in 11-46 but no one carries in North America.
    No big deal as I was torn about if I wanted the 40t to be aluminum or steel. I don't spend too much time in that cog, but maybe the extra durability will be worth the small weight penalty. I'm ordering the CSMX8 11-46 right now.

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    Made a nice ride today with my new drivetrain.
    This 11-46 is just as good as the 11-50 I had back than.
    Quite and smooth yet still those clunky moments on the lower gears which I don't mind.

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    Bumping this real quick.

    I finally made the plunge, when my NX 11-42 cassette wore out.

    The Sunrace cassette and a new chain should be here tonight. I'm curious, for those that have installed on an NX 11 speed drivetrain, have you needed a different length chain? Or did it have enough capacity to handle it all as it was?

    Just thought I'd check and see what the consensus was here, before I did anything rash tonight .

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    Depends on how loose or slack your existing chain is. No doubt your new chain will fit as you will size it accordingly. You may have to adjust your B screw however.
    IMO, I'd install with a fresh chain. No sense in putting a worn chain on a brand new cassette.
    FWIW, these cassettes are my "go to". I've been impressed with everything about them. They shift smoothly, have a nice linear gear spread, and have proven durable for me. Also enabled care free back pedaling in the lowest cog. Chain stays put.
    Best bang for the buck by a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Bumping this real quick.

    I finally made the plunge, when my NX 11-42 cassette wore out.

    The Sunrace cassette and a new chain should be here tonight. I'm curious, for those that have installed on an NX 11 speed drivetrain, have you needed a different length chain? Or did it have enough capacity to handle it all as it was?
    If your old chain was just the right length then the new chain should be 2 links (= one pair) longer. The biggest cog on Sunrace cassette is 4 teeth longer and the chain wraps on half of them -> 2 link difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hece View Post
    If your old chain was just the right length then the new chain should be 2 links (= one pair) longer. The biggest cog on Sunrace cassette is 4 teeth longer and the chain wraps on half of them -> 2 link difference.
    So, I actually measured it out this way, but it ended up being a tad too long. Guess my original chain was already a tad long.

    The reason was because I didn't end up having to adjust the B tension screw quite as much as I thought I would have to make it all work.

    With the 2 extra links, the chain was doubled back on itself and rubbing a bit, as well as having a bit of droop in the smallest cog. So I shrunk it back to original length, and double checked that I was still fine in big cog, and at full compression. So even at full squish in the 46t, I'm the rear deraileur still has a bit of give left in it. So I think I'm at about the right length now.

    Thanks for the help .

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    Have this cassette with the Al cog. I don't see how you bend it...

    I use the al cog a LOT. It loos worn, but shifts fine. I use the cheapest KMC chain, but still shifts fine and under load.

    I'm actually upgrading to the Deore 11-51 cassette to get lower gearing. That one is all steel. It would take a lot of wear to skip on the large cog. If it wasn't for the lower gearing need, i wouldn't hesitate to keep using or buying the Sunrace cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeu View Post
    Have this cassette with the Al cog. I don't see how you bend it...

    I use the al cog a LOT. It loos worn, but shifts fine. I use the cheapest KMC chain, but still shifts fine and under load.

    I'm actually upgrading to the Deore 11-51 cassette to get lower gearing. That one is all steel. It would take a lot of wear to skip on the large cog. If it wasn't for the lower gearing need, i wouldn't hesitate to keep using or buying the Sunrace cassette.
    I actually thought about going deore 11-51 as well.

    But since I'm on full SRAM NX11 speed at the moment, that would have required a full new deraileur, shifter, and cassette, which was more than I was looking to spend on the bike at the moment. But I think its a great option, and one I'd heavily consider if I was building a new bike right now.

    Actually, same thing with the Microshift Advent X, and Box Prime 9. All of these are great budget options that don't require a freehub change, and have lots of range.

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