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    e*thirteen EXP cassette with 9-44 teeth.

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    I think I'm going to hop on the 10sp version. Best part is...if I do decide to go 11sp...I won't have to buy another whole cassette.

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    I wonder for real if you can actually feel the knotchiness of the 9t when spinning along at high speed? I for one am seriously considering one of these if I don't have the money to step up to the XTR Di2 1x11 with the 10-42 XX cassette soon.

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    I'm thinking this might not fit on my SC Nickel. As is, the chain comes pretty close to the swing arm when I'm in 32 in front and 34 in the back, or do I have 36, I can't remember.

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    This is the gearing: 9,10,12,14,17,20,24,28,32,38,44

    I reckon I would rather have: 9,11,13,15,18,21,24,28,33,38,44

    That way you the largest gap between 9T and 11T, but that's fine for me cause I would tread the 9T as a overdrive to be able to pedal a bit downhill, so I don't need a small gap to the next one.

    But then again, they probably tested it quite a bit so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS645 View Post
    This is the gearing: 9,10,12,14,17,20,24,28,32,38,44

    I reckon I would rather have: 9,11,13,15,18,21,24,28,33,38,44

    That way you the largest gap between 9T and 11T, but that's fine for me cause I would tread the 9T as a overdrive to be able to pedal a bit downhill, so I don't need a small gap to the next one.

    But then again, they probably tested it quite a bit so...
    Yeah, cog tooth choice is always going to be a compromise, and one that we have very little say in, although the difference between a 1 or 2 tooth gap on the tiny cogs is relatively huge, so I can see why they do it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonFalkenhausen View Post
    Yeah, cog tooth choice is always going to be a compromise, and one that we have very little say in, although the difference between a 1 or 2 tooth gap on the tiny cogs is relatively huge, so I can see why they do it that way.
    I actually agree that 9 to 10 is quite a waste of gear, it is only an 11% increase. I would rather see a 945, that with a 17.462% increase between cogs gets:

    9
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    23.63888
    27.7667
    32.61532
    38.31061
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    That I would round up to 9 11 13 15 17 20 24 28 33 38 45 or end with 44 for a 944 cassette, almost identical to the gearing suggested by CS645.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    I actually agree that 9 to 10 is quite a waste of gear, it is only an 11% increase. I would rather see a 945, that with a 17.462% increase between cogs gets:

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    10.57158
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    23.63888
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    That I would round up to 9 11 13 15 17 20 24 28 33 38 45 or end with 44 for a 944 cassette, almost identical to the gearing suggested by CS645.
    I like your spread, that would probably be my choice too. I wasn't saying I agree with their choice, just that I can see their logic, there is always going to be some uneven and too tight/too big jumps. I would be fine with bigger jumps and sticking with 10 cogs over that range, but it is unlikely anybody will ever make it.

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    They are making a 10 speed version.
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    And, I believe that 10 version can be updated to 11 speed if you choose to switch to 11 speed. Plus the cassettes come in three parts. So, if a cog becomes worn, you only have to purchase a third of the cassette instead of the whole thing.

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    Just waiting on cost now. If it can be priced at around what the Praxis cassette...it could be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    They are making a 10 speed version.
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    Not to be obsessing about this but I wonder what they are thinking. The 11 speed has 9,10,12,14,17,20,24,28,32,38,44 which gives increments: 11% (!what!) 20% 17% 21% 18% 20% 17% 14% 19% 16% .... bit odd especially the choice to go 9 10 and 12.

    The problem are the small cogs, they are so "discrete" in respect to increments that they make it hard to space the cassette nicely.

    Ratios for 9 ,11, 13 ,15, 17, 20, 24, 28, 33, 38, 45 are "22%" "18%" "15%" "13%" "18%" "20%" "17%" "18%" "15%" "18%" better but gee ... enough numbers? time to go for a ride!

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    I did some calculations.

    My current 27 speed gear inch spread from low to high:

    15.95" - 104.4"

    Gear inches with e thirteen 11 speed Cassette from low to high 30 x 9-44:

    17.8" - 87"

    Gear inches with e thirteen 11 speed cassette from low to high 28 x 9-44:

    16.61" - 81.2"

    I'd probably go with 28T chainring. Where I live I can't get to far away from my current low gear of 22x34. The high gear would be in between my current 44 x 13 and 15, instead of my current 11. I could deal with that, I don't need to go that fast anymore. That's getting so close to the gear spread of a 3 x 9 or 10 speed that this is starting to be a no brainer, even for people like me who ride in a very mountainous area.

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    I think most people overestimate how much gear they really need on the high end. I was reading an article about Jared Graves this morning and noticed that his every day bike had a top gear of 85 in. and his race bike is 90. For most of us mortals 85 is probably plenty for off-road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I think most people overestimate how much gear they really need on the high end. I was reading an article about Jared Graves this morning and noticed that his every day bike had a top gear of 85 in. and his race bike is 90. For most of us mortals 85 is probably plenty for off-road.
    Yeah, at this point I think this cassette will only be a slight compromise. A compromise that will be overshadowed by the weight loss, a cleaner overall bike, and a bike that is mentally easier and more fun to ride.

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    Did a quick look at the 10sp e thirteen cassette vs my Response 11-42/30T front.

    e*thirteen: 9,10,12,14,17,20,24,28,35,42

    Response: 11,13,15,18,21,24,28,32,36,42

    The lower half of the e13 is higher than the Response. I guess it means that I'll be higher up in the cassette when in the flats and on moderate uphills? The higher gears will be better for going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, at this point I think this cassette will only be a slight compromise. A compromise that will be overshadowed by the weight loss, a cleaner overall bike, and a bike that is mentally easier and more fun to ride.
    Very true.
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    It looks like it's available now. Now I have to try and figure out if the chain will clear the swingarm when in the bigger cogs.
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    Website says, "out of stock".

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    Ouch on the price...but I was expecting it. I'll check back when it cools off in a couple months.

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    I was hoping for the 250 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Ouch on the price...but I was expecting it. I'll check back when it cools off in a couple months.
    Would be nice to know the weight. Assuming the 9 does not give trouble with the chainstay, I am still put off by the need of a special hub ... end of the story my Shimano 1145 is working quite well ...

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    According to the E13 website, the 10 speed is 300g and the 11 is 320g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Would be nice to know the weight. Assuming the 9 does not give trouble with the chainstay, I am still put off by the need of a special hub ... end of the story my Shimano 1145 is working quite well ...
    You shouldn't need a whole new hub. It's just the freehub body.

    I am less bothered by the freehub body than I am by the pricing of the cassette itself. I don't need wear items that cost that much money fer cryin' out loud.

    So far, the Shimano XT and the SunRace cassettes are really the only ones that do right by the budget.

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    The price of the replacement parts costs more than the 11sp XT cassette...but I'll probably end up with one just to try out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Would be nice to know the weight. Assuming the 9 does not give trouble with the chainstay, I am still put off by the need of a special hub ... end of the story my Shimano 1145 is working quite well ...
    Would the 9T be closer to the chainstay, compared to an 11T on a 9 or 10 speed?

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    The price is better than I expected. Not cheap but probably fair for the widest range out there. I can't wait to get one of these. The second they are in stock I'm getting one. My fianc้e already said ok as a birthday/Christmas present since they're only separated by a couple days.

    I've been wanting a cassette with wider spacing and a wider range, but no more than 11 gears. It's extremely rare that I shift just one gear at a time. Im always dumping 3-5 gears. More spacing between gears would be a plus for me because it would mean less shifting and while you're at it, you might as well add a little more on the top and bottom end. This gives more range than pretty much any 2x10 setup. I would go from my 32t front to a 30t and still have more top end and considerably better low end than I do with my X01 setup.

    Back to the price, I understand the concerns about cost since there's no exotic machining or materials like the XX1/X01 that are machined from a solid chunk of metal for strength and light weight but they're able to charge what they want for the widest range out there. In my opinion this is superior to a 2x10 setup in every way except for ratio spacing which isn't important for me, living in a non flat area, always up and down, 3-5 gears at a time.

    Anyway, just my opinion based on where I live.
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    I wanted to stress that this cassette now eliminates one of the downsides of a 1x setup, especially where I live with lots of very steep climbs and downhills, and that's range. That's a huge deal. There's nothing I can't climb in the 32/42 gear ratio in the beginning of the day but by the end of a 6hr ride with a hard climb near the end, I'm wishing I had a lower gear. On the other end, it's not often I need more than the 32/10 but going downhill sometimes I feel more in control when I can pedal through some sections or for extended easy fire roads it's nice to be able to bump up the speed a bit without spinning 150rpm.

    Does anyone have an idea when the 11 sp version will be available? I'm tempted to buy the 10sp for now and swap the 10sp hardware back on that came with my bike and later go with the 11sp gearing.
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    ^ An oval ring should make it nicer.

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    I know that's probably a joke but one day when I'm bored with the same old setup and I have a few extra bucks laying around I have to try one. I've never seen a product with such strong and opposite views. It makes me want to try it for myself. That might not be a bad idea as a Christmas gift if I can't get the cassette in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    You shouldn't need a whole new hub. It's just the freehub body.

    I am less bothered by the freehub body than I am by the pricing of the cassette itself. I don't need wear items that cost that much money fer cryin' out loud.

    So far, the Shimano XT and the SunRace cassettes are really the only ones that do right by the budget.
    Yes, you just need a new freehub body, around $80 for Stan's. But still is annoying, and frankly I am not sure about 10 or 9 teeth cogs, as I said 1145 seems plenty, I better not go any faster downhill. What I would lik eis an 1145 11 speed around 250 grams.

    And yes ... the 9 cog chainline would be lower than a 11, or 10, depending on the bike it might be oo low ...

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    Anybody receive their cassette?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Yes, you just need a new freehub body, around $80 for Stan's. But still is annoying, and frankly I am not sure about 10 or 9 teeth cogs, as I said 1145 seems plenty, I better not go any faster downhill. What I would lik eis an 1145 11 speed around 250 grams.

    And yes ... the 9 cog chainline would be lower than a 11, or 10, depending on the bike it might be oo low ...
    It's not as much about the 9t allowing you to go faster downhill, it allows you to go to a smaller chainring up front, giving a lower low gear. I've already ordered a 30t front for when I get one of these cassettes in the future. I can run a 30 up front, have a noticeably lower low gear, and still have a little more top end than what I have now with the 32/10. Where I live, more top end would not be a bad thing but it's the low end that I'm looking forward to with the kind of hills we have around here.

    Has anyone actually ordered one of these? The site always says the 11sp is not available yet.
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    It was available, I presume that it sold out quickly. I installed the 10 spd cassette several weeks ago and am very happy. It shifts *extremely* well, better than the SRAM PG1070 it replaced ever did. Only time will tell.

    new review article today:

    First Look: E-thirteen 9-44t TRS+ cassette - Mtbr.com

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    Nice! Thanks, I'm on the waiting list now, just awaiting notification when they go back on sale. Good to know about the shifting, the article says the same thing about the 11sp version. I'm installing my 30t chain ring today in anticipation of the new cassette. I guess in the meantime I'll get a chance to use a 30t with the X01 cassette for a while to see how much of a change there is. I wanted to do just one change at a time so I can see how much of a change each one gives me but if the new cassette were here there's no way I would have the will power to wait a few days to install it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, at this point I think this cassette will only be a slight compromise. A compromise that will be overshadowed by the weight loss, a cleaner overall bike, and a bike that is mentally easier and more fun to ride.
    Compromise in what sense? Overall range now exceeds that of a traditional 2x10 setup (26/38x11-36). Some of the gear changes might be bigger but 2x10 setups really only have ~13 different usable gear choices to begin with. For example, 26x13 and 38x19 are the exact same ratio. Not that you'd ever use 26x13 anyway, just saying that you're not losing 9 gears going from 2x10 to 1x11, you're losing 1 or 2 max and now you're not losing gear range whatsoever.

    Personally, 30x10-42 has been working great. I ran 32x10-42 for a while but realized that even though I was rarely in 32x42, I was in it a lot more often than 32x10, so I downsized a chainring and use all of the gears more evenly. I do realize that 10-42 gives up some range vs. 2x10, but 9-44 does not.

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    That's what is so awesome. I just installed my 30t that I bought just for the new cassette but since it's not available yet I went for a ride with the 10-42. It made the difference I needed in the lowest gear. I could actually live with this setup. I'm a little surprised at how noticeably faster I pedal in top gear even though on paper it's not a big difference but just like above I'm in low gear much more than top gear.

    One negative is the bash guard had to go but the new 30t gives me a better chainline and when back pedaling in first gear it doesn't shift gears anymore.

    Anyway, even though I could live with it as is with the 30t there's a slight compromise. In this case it's mostly top end and a tiny bit in the lowest gear. With the new cassette there will be zero compromise over a 2x10. It's having your cake and eating it too. I WANT a larger spacing between gears because I rarely ever shift just one gear at a time. If anything the new cassette will mean less shifting. I would probably be happy with a 1x10 with the same range. Can't wait to install the cassette and have a no compromise setup.

    I could see how maybe some serious cross country pros might not like the gap between gears but even that is unlikely. I can't imagine why you would build a 2x trail bike with this cassette on the market. Even though it's not cheap, is it any more expensive than another derailleur, chain ring, and shifter? You even get more consistent suspension performance when pedaling with this setup over a 2x.

    Maybe I'm overly excited but with the new review saying how well it shifts and all, I think this is going to bring 1x to the mainstream. I have to admit I kind of liked not having the same setup as everyone else but that's probably going to change.

    On a side note, while we are waiting for more reviews and for these things to go on sale, is there a bash guard that will work with the less offset of the 30t on a 104 crank? Screw it, I admit I want it for the looks mostly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Compromise in what sense? Overall range now exceeds that of a traditional 2x10 setup (26/38x11-36). Some of the gear changes might be bigger but 2x10 setups really only have ~13 different usable gear choices to begin with. For example, 26x13 and 38x19 are the exact same ratio. Not that you'd ever use 26x13 anyway, just saying that you're not losing 9 gears going from 2x10 to 1x11, you're losing 1 or 2 max and now you're not losing gear range whatsoever.

    Personally, 30x10-42 has been working great. I ran 32x10-42 for a while but realized that even though I was rarely in 32x42, I was in it a lot more often than 32x10, so I downsized a chainring and use all of the gears more evenly. I do realize that 10-42 gives up some range vs. 2x10, but 9-44 does not.
    Im still on a 3x9 in a very hilly region. So for me, it would be a small compromise. And, I can deal with bigger gaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    That's what is so awesome. I just installed my 30t that I bought just for the new cassette but since it's not available yet I went for a ride with the 10-42. It made the difference I needed in the lowest gear. I could actually live with this setup. I'm a little surprised at how noticeably faster I pedal in top gear even though on paper it's not a big difference but just like above I'm in low gear much more than top gear.

    One negative is the bash guard had to go but the new 30t gives me a better chainline and when back pedaling in first gear it doesn't shift gears anymore.

    Anyway, even though I could live with it as is with the 30t there's a slight compromise. In this case it's mostly top end and a tiny bit in the lowest gear. With the new cassette there will be zero compromise over a 2x10. It's having your cake and eating it too. I WANT a larger spacing between gears because I rarely ever shift just one gear at a time. If anything the new cassette will mean less shifting. I would probably be happy with a 1x10 with the same range. Can't wait to install the cassette and have a no compromise setup.

    I could see how maybe some serious cross country pros might not like the gap between gears but even that is unlikely. I can't imagine why you would build a 2x trail bike with this cassette on the market. Even though it's not cheap, is it any more expensive than another derailleur, chain ring, and shifter? You even get more consistent suspension performance when pedaling with this setup over a 2x.

    Maybe I'm overly excited but with the new review saying how well it shifts and all, I think this is going to bring 1x to the mainstream. I have to admit I kind of liked not having the same setup as everyone else but that's probably going to change.

    On a side note, while we are waiting for more reviews and for these things to go on sale, is there a bash guard that will work with the less offset of the 30t on a 104 crank? Screw it, I admit I want it for the looks mostly.
    Where is the review?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Where is the review?
    Sorry, I found it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Where is the review?
    First Look: E-thirteen 9-44t TRS+ cassette - Mtbr.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Compromise in what sense?

    Crappy (noisy) chainline in low gear, large jumps between gears, and the fact that I can buy 7 xt cassettes for the price of one e*thirteen. Those compromises will probably keep me on 2x for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Crappy (noisy) chainline in low gear, large jumps between gears, and the fact that I can buy 7 xt cassettes for the price of one e*thirteen. Those compromises will probably keep me on 2x for awhile.
    I have no experience with the e13 cassette but my x01 setup is dead silent in all gears. I had a weird squealing noise that showed up mid ride initially but after changing chain lube it's silent.

    The large jumps in gears is valid... but x01 vs 2x10 is 15.4% vs 14.1% average gear ratio change, not that big. And if you ignore the 10->12 shift (biggest jump and it doesn't happen very often) it's 14.9% vs 14.1%. Definitely pros and cons to each...

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    the 11-spd review link was already provided in post #34

    here's my review on the 10-spd, did have one small issue installing it, but wrote it off as a glitch for new production assembly and it was easily resolved:

    e*thirteen releases extende range 10/11 spd cassettes - Pinkbike Forum

    since I was making a simultaneous wheelset change wih new hubs going to the XD hub was no biggie. I can appreciate why the change was initiated by SRAM and have no desire to going back to old style hub again.

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    Anyone using the 9-44 11 speed? How's the shifting?

    Someone told me *NOT* to get one because shifting would not be smooth (not sure if he tried one or if he got info from customers using them).

    I would like to hear from someone using one.
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    A lot of people speculated that shifting would not be good. I don't know what they based that on other than a guess. The professional reviews as well as a couple customers have reported excellent shifting. Mine will be here Monday or Tuesday and I'll have a very short term initial impression on it the same day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    A lot of people speculated that shifting would not be good. I don't know what they based that on other than a guess. The professional reviews as well as a couple customers have reported excellent shifting. Mine will be here Monday or Tuesday and I'll have a very short term initial impression on it the same day.
    The shifting on an X01 cassette is great. Even on the 36-42 jump it's great. If e13 did a good job at machining and ramps and such it should be good, since SRAM has proven that even 6 tooth jumps can be done smoothly.

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    Exactly. I'm running X01 on mine, I ordered the 11sp setup with the bike because I knew the 1x10 would not cut it with the hills here so it's been about 14 months now and the shifting is excellent. The last jump is just as good as the other gears. There's no reason the e*thirteen shouldn't be able to pull it off just as well with the same jump and it sounds like they did from the reviews. One person said it shifts better than the SRAM 1x stuff which, if that's true means it's going to be nice.
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    I think PinkBike might list it in their 2015 awards, didn't read any problem in the MTBR review...

    I noticed that there are two versions of the SRAM 11-speed X1 rear derailleur, version 2 and 2.1..I don't know if that will make any difference, but I just bought a X1 version 2.1.

    I'm building up a used Riot...I have a X01 DM crank coming and have a 26t...I'm going to pull the trigger and get the 9-44...if I lose weight I'll replace the front with a steel 28t.
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    I would love to hear from anyone that is using this cassette with Shimano components

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    I can't wait for Wolftooth's stainless front ring. I'm running their 30t to take advantage of the new cassette but also because it improved the chainline by 2mm. With it, it no longer shifts when back pedaling in 1st gear. The already near silent X01 is even quieter. It should help reduce wear on the drivetrain.
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    All I can say is it's perfect. Shifting is noticeably improved with no adjustments to the derailleur over the X01 cassette. I had to adjust how I shift with this cassette because it begins trying to shift the second I touch the lever to downshift. I hit the lever quicker now to match how quickly it wants to shift.

    The range is awesome. The 9t is way more noticeable than the 44t over the 10 and 42. To have a significantly better first gear you need to drop down the chain ring a couple teeth which the 9t will more than make up for. First now feels like a true bailout gear and ridiculously low, at least on the street. I'm going in a few hours to my favorite or at least a familiar trail to see how it does in th real work on some steep hills.

    Just to be clear, absolutely zero problems with shifting, its improved now, even going onto and coming off of the biggest cog. I'll have a full review tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    All I can say is it's perfect. Shifting is noticeably improved with no adjustments to the derailleur over the X01 cassette. I had to adjust how I shift with this cassette because it begins trying to shift the second I touch the lever to downshift. I hit the lever quicker now to match how quickly it wants to shift.

    The range is awesome. The 9t is way more noticeable than the 44t over the 10 and 42. To have a significantly better first gear you need to drop down the chain ring a couple teeth which the 9t will more than make up for. First now feels like a true bailout gear and ridiculously low, at least on the street. I'm going in a few hours to my favorite or at least a familiar trail to see how it does in th real work on some steep hills.

    Just to be clear, absolutely zero problems with shifting, its improved now, even going onto and coming off of the biggest cog. I'll have a full review tomorrow.
    With a 10-42 and a 28t I feel like I need another climbing gear...so you would recommend I use a 26t with the 9-44?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbsocal View Post
    With a 10-42 and a 28t I feel like I need another climbing gear...so you would recommend I use a 26t with the 9-44?

    Thanks.
    You are getting a bit more going from 42 to 44 ... but you do seem a candidate for a dual! 26/9 is still a very low ratio, use a 26-38 front with an 1142 cassette and you really have a range!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbsocal View Post
    With a 10-42 and a 28t I feel like I need another climbing gear...so you would recommend I use a 26t with the 9-44?

    Thanks.
    Going down two teeth in the front and up two in the back feels almost exactly like one more full gear lower. Maybe 90% of a full lower gear. That's based on my 32 to 30. You will get a little more going 28 to 26 and with the 44 out back it might be like a full additional climbing gear.

    The best thing is the 9t makes such a huge difference you still have a higher top gear with the 28-26 swap so it won't hurt top end one bit. Do they make a chainring smaller than a 26? That would give a nice drop in ratio without killing the top end much.

    I'm going over to Sheldon Browns website after I swap the brake pads on my car and run the actual numbers. I'll post them in a few if no one beats me to it.

    I go off topic too much but to clarify, I fully recommend going down one size up front with the 9-44 because it's zero compromise. You actually gain top end and low end.
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    Hello All

    I just registered here to ask some questions to the first users of the cassette.
    So BuickGN:
    1. What is your setup? Crank, chainring, chainline, chain, derailleur, Trigger?
    2. What is the feel on the 9t? Do you recognize the "polygon effect"?
    3. How much space is left to the spokes of the wheel behind the 44? Which lacing/wheels do you have?

    Thanks in advance

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    My setup is the stock Zee crank, 30t Wolftooth which moves the chainring inward 2mm which helped with the X01, eliminating shifting when back pedaling. Chain is the XX1, derailleur is X01, shifter is XX1.

    The feel on the 9t is fine, just like any other gear. There's nothing that would give it away that it's a 9t. I'm not sure what the polygon affect is but if you explain it I'll be glad to comment. If it's the vibration associated with a small cog, it's definitely there on the stand compared to the 10t but I can't feel it during normal riding. I'll take it around the block when I get home and pay close attention to it.

    I can almost get my pinky finger between the 44t and the spokes and I have very big fingers. I'll measure when I get home. As for the wheels I have the stock P-TRX-1 wheels. Not sure about the lacing.

    Shifting is crisper and quicker than anything I've personally used in every gear. It's just perfect. The only adjustment I had to make was for the high screw on the derailleur. I had to back it out just a little otherwise not a single other change, not the barrel adjuster, or the other side. It was pretty much a bolt on with very little adjustment. It worked fine before the single adjustment but it was a little noisy.
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    Hello BuickGN

    Thanks for your answers. That's very helpful.
    I assume its the 104BCD WolfTooth. Aluminium or the steel one? Measured chainline would be interesting though.
    Yes, you are right. Vibration is associated with the polygon effect and it results from the changing of the diameter because the 9t is not a circle, but a polygon. Do you feel the different "ratios" during pedaling? Its about 6% diameter difference with a 9t.

    Thanks a lot.

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    Sorry, yep, it's a 104. It's aluminum. Do they make a steel 30t yet?

    If you let me know how to measure chainline I'll be glad to do so.
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    Damn! I thought they were a few months away. Maybe I'll
    put my 25 mile aluminum one for sale. I really wanted the stainless one badly. It should greatly increase drivetrain life. Thanks for letting me know. Ill probably buy one Friday and either keep the aluminum one as a spare or sell it. Thanks again.
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    Hello BuickGN

    I can only think about 1x11 with a steel chainring. I think its better for the wear of the chainring and the chain and with this also good for the wear of the cassette.
    How much km/miles do you do in a year. When do we have your experience about the wear ;-)?
    The chainline is measured between the center of your downtube (middle plane of the bike) and the mids of your chainring. So simply by putting a tape measure there.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojo10 View Post
    Hello BuickGN

    I can only think about 1x11 with a steel chainring. I think its better for the wear of the chainring and the chain and with this also good for the wear of the cassette.
    How much km/miles do you do in a year. When do we have your experience about the wear ;-)?
    The chainline is measured between the center of your downtube (middle plane of the bike) and the mids of your chainring. So simply by putting a tape measure there.

    Thanks
    Wouldn't you want to measure off the BB.

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    Hello,

    No, why? Explanation?
    Maybe...

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    Because that's where your drivetrain lives.

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    Hello

    Sorry, but I don't get it.
    All About Bicycle Chainline

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    currently running a 11-42 with 32 up front....plenty of low granny gear for climbing with that combo

    would think with this 9-44 cassette you would want to stay with the same tooth up front as your running now or go up 2 gears to a 34 to really take advantage of the top end speed in combination with the 9 tooth ....that way on descents most likely you can have your chain in a few gears on the cassette(more tension on chain) and still not spin out.

    Suppose really it depends what your looking for more low end climbing or top end speed

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    The 32-30 is a much bigger jump than 42-44. Going 10-9 more than makes up for the 32-30 change. To have what is about a full step lower requires both the change up front and the back. Going 42-44 would not be noticeable.

    Going up to a 34 would hurt climbing even with the 44t. That's why its nice to go down a gear in the front along with the cassette. That way you gain significant low and top end. I would be more prone to use the 10-42 and a larger front ring if top end was my highest priority since the reliability of the 9t is unknown right now.
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    would think a 42-32 combo would be the same as a 44-34 combo, no? anyone?

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    The 34 even with the 44 would not climb nearly as well as the 32-42.
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    Going from the 10 to 9t makes a bigger positive difference in top end than going 32 to 34t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    would think a 42-32 combo would be the same as a 44-34 combo, no? anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    The 34 even with the 44 would not climb nearly as well as the 32-42.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    Going from the 10 to 9t makes a bigger positive difference in top end than going 32 to 34t.
    Front teeth divided by rear teeth gives you your ratio.

    34/44 = .77 and 32/42 = .76, a difference of 1.4%, which some might not even notice.

    Going from 10 teeth to 9 teeth is a reduction of 10% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd have to add 10% teeth to your chainring (ex: going from a 30 to a 33 ring). Going from 42 to 44 is an increase of only 4.7% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd need a smaller change in the chainring than you would to get the same impact as the 9T cog makes over the 10T cog. If people wonder what will work, they should figure out the ratios they're currently using and make adjustments from there.

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    If I can feel the "polygon effect" on a 10T, I have to imagine a 9T is that much worse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    If I can feel the "polygon effect" on a 10T, I have to imagine a 9T is that much worse.
    This is my principal question/concern, but it seems to be either extremely subjective, or more perceived than actually relevant to MTB applications (I can't see too many occasions where I'm putting down sustained power in a 28/9 setup - but plenty for short bursts and lots of moderate sustained cruising)

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    If I can feel the "polygon effect" on a 10T, I have to imagine a 9T is that much worse.



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    On the stand it's a lot worse with the 9t over the 10t. On the trail I don't notice it but I'm rarely in that gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Front teeth divided by rear teeth gives you your ratio.

    34/44 = .77 and 32/42 = .76, a difference of 1.4%, which some might not even notice.

    Going from 10 teeth to 9 teeth is a reduction of 10% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd have to add 10% teeth to your chainring (ex: going from a 30 to a 33 ring). Going from 42 to 44 is an increase of only 4.7% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd need a smaller change in the chainring than you would to get the same impact as the 9T cog makes over the 10T cog. If people wonder what will work, they should figure out the ratios they're currently using and make adjustments from there.
    Which is what I've been saying and this is the reason you should go down a couple teeth up front when using the 9-44t cassette if you really want a better bottom end while still having a better top end. That's why I already had the 30t waiting for when the cassette came in. To get what feels like a normally spaced lower gear you have to downsize the chain ring along with the 44t rear. This is why I feel that the 9t is the best feature of this cassette, more so than the 44t.

    So far the polygon effect has not been noticeable on the trail but it's very noticeable on the stand over the 10t. I've had it on the street and did not notice it there either but I haven't put any serious power through it yet. I would say it's had moderate power so far but I am 240lbs with some good leg strength. So far so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Front teeth divided by rear teeth gives you your ratio.

    34/44 = .77 and 32/42 = .76, a difference of 1.4%, which some might not even notice.

    Going from 10 teeth to 9 teeth is a reduction of 10% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd have to add 10% teeth to your chainring (ex: going from a 30 to a 33 ring). Going from 42 to 44 is an increase of only 4.7% of teeth. To have the same impact, you'd need a smaller change in the chainring than you would to get the same impact as the 9T cog makes over the 10T cog. If people wonder what will work, they should figure out the ratios they're currently using and make adjustments from there.
    awesome thanks!

    yeah I supposed its personal preference in what kind of gearing your looking for...for me I would either stay with the same size front chain ring or go up a size.

    An increase of 1.4% in the low gear combo would be an acceptable change to see top end gains overall through the whole gear range.

    On my current setup im super comfortable in my climbing gear and a slight increase would even be better. I find myself looking for more top end more often then not and on occasion spinning out.

    there's no right answer, find what works for you and go with it.

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    For riders currently using this cassette, what brand of drivetrain are you using? SRAM or Shimano?

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    I'm running an XX1 shifter, X01 derailleur, Wolftooth 30t, and Zee crank. Shifts absolutely great, considerably better than with the X01 cassette that I had before which shifted well.
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    Thank you. Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    I'm running an XX1 shifter, X01 derailleur, Wolftooth 30t, and Zee crank. Shifts absolutely great, considerably better than with the X01 cassette that I had before which shifted well.
    I wonder how much that has to do with it being new vs your outgoing worn setup.

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    The other cassette had about 100 miles on it. It shifted just as well as my friends new bike with the same setup. The e*thirteen cassette shifting stood out immediately and I'm always trying out friends and others' bikes on the trails so I've had a pretty good sample size of bikes and how they shift. I've actually never had anyone else's shifting stand out to me like this one immediately did. You have to make your shifts more deliberate; you have to press the lever quicker because the shift begins to happen the second you touch the shift lever and it will almost skip a link if you try to shift too slow. It's very aggressive in how it shifts.
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    I'm using this cassette with a full XX1 drivetrain. Shifting is excellent. Didn't have to adjust anything. Enjoying the expanded range for sure. This paired with a 28t ring gives you a real granny, and still a gear nearly as tall as running a 32t.

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    quick call out for help:

    i just pulled my SRAM 1195 cassette from my hub to install my e13 trs cassette. the XD free body hub appears to have splines of uniform width/spacing. the e13 cassette doesnt. what am i overlooking here?

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    You just need to match them. There is one wider one.

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    You just need to match them. There is one wider one.
    i gotcha. I have installed and removed my SRAM units several times. see the attached pic. there is no spline on the XD driver that is small enough to correspond with the female notch at the 9 oclock in this pic. I have two of these cassettes and they both are the same.

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    it almost appears as if the the notches were drilled, as an afterthought, and they forgot to double drill the one at the 9 oclock position to open it up the right amount.

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    Looks the same as the one on their website (1230 position) 32-38-44t Aluminum Cogs for 11spd TRS Cassette

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    Yup. Indexing looks just like mine. Indexing, however, does not look just like the 42t Sram ring or the 44t Wolftooth ring I just pulled off...

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    [QUOTE=Paochow;12476598]Looks the same as the one on their website (1230 position) 32-38-44t Aluminum Cogs for 11spd TRS Cassette

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    I wish I could remember mine better when I installed it. I took a bunch of pictures I'll dig through my phone and iPad and see if there's anything that might be helpful. Mine just slipped right on, after proper clocking of the cassette to the driver. So yours won't slide on at all???

    For what it's worth, I remember a guy on here (I think) that had a slight problem he chalked up to early production problems that required a slight modification. Now I wish I had paid more attention. I'm pretty sure he had to slightly modify the cassette to get it to fit. You might want to search around for one of his posts although I can't think of any key words that might help. Luckily it's not that old so there's can't be THAT many topics about this cassette.

    I'll be back, hopefully with good news but you've already tried it in different positions even if it makes no sense, just to try it out for the hell of it? Good luck!
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    It's not the oddball recess where it says "25nm" is it? That's the only one different than the rest. I bet it lines up with something on the driver even if it doesn't seem obvious immediately. I'm talking about the picture in post 88. Yours has that single, different spline/recess, right?
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    I have been riding with this cassette for just over a month now on my Evil Following and its performed pretty flawlessly.

    I replaced the chain with the cassette at and gave it an extra link over the old one, but other than that i didnt need to adjust the mech.

    The extra length has noticeable benefit at each end but the 9 tooth makes slightly more for difference than the 44 does. I run a 30t on the front and it runs silently with chain drops to date.

    My riding is a mixture of 20 minute climbs with 1-2 minute technical decents in the surrey hills which is the closest thing we have to mountains near london (UK), weeknights i'm regularly ride a very pedally XC/ singletrack loop at Swinley forest. I have also rode for a 5 days in spain in the montseny mountains south of the pyrennes where the 44 was definitely appreciated on the longer climbs.

    So far no downsides to report, but it will be interesting to see how it wears

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    So yours won't slide on at all???

    For what it's worth, I remember a guy on here (I think) that had a slight problem he chalked up to early production problems that required a slight modification....

    I'll be back, hopefully with good news but you've already tried it in different positions even if it makes no sense, just to try it out for the hell of it? Good luck!
    Nope it won't just slide on. That single female recess is smaller than every single one of the male splines on the XD driver, preventing that side of the cog from accepting a spline. If you look closely at my picture, you will see the black anodizing is worn off the cassette because I have spun it about a billion times trying to get it to line up, haha. Here are the only two threads I could find w/ install issues, but they dont seem to be the same as mine.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-sh...et-998762.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuickGN View Post
    It's not the oddball recess where it says "25nm" is it? That's the only one different than the rest. I bet it lines up with something on the driver even if it doesn't seem obvious immediately. I'm talking about the picture in post 88. Yours has that single, different spline/recess, right?
    It is, and I am with ya. I am always hesitant to ask for help when things seem obvious. If you look at my pic you will see where the black anodizing is worn off the inner lip of the cassette from endless spinning to find the right clocking.

    e13 was closed yesterday, hopefully they will have direction for me today!

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    I'd like to use the 9-44 with sram etap when it comes out. With my 30T that 44 is all I need for regional trails. Saves me from going 2x11 although the rhythm and step shimano cassette sure is nice! Can't have it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    e13 was closed yesterday, hopefully they will have direction for me today!
    update:

    had a phone convo with e13 yesterday. Their spline measurements are based off of the engineering drawings from SRAM for their XD driver (which shows the small male spline), not from the engineering drawings of their XD compatible cassettes (which shows uniform splines). I have Onyx hubs...their version of the XD driver has uniform splines...I am assuming they built the their driver based off of the engineering drawings of the SRAM XD cassettes. e13 claims the only other time they have had this issue is with Onyx hubs, and that they may alter their CNC drawings to mirror the SRAM XD cassettes to avoid the problem in the future. In the meantime, the solution is either a) to return the e13 cassette, or b) to clearance the e13 cassette with a file to fit the XD driver on my hub....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
    update:

    b) to clearance the e13 cassette with a file to fit the XD driver on my hub....
    If e13 will still honor their warranty with their suggested mod, this is the route I'd take. So much easier and faster than returning and waiting for a replacement that is made differently.

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    I had the XTR 11 speed cassette with the monster 45t one up. Up front I had a 32t one up "traction" chainring. I was working great shifting was amazing. The only downside was not much top speed.

    I was able to order a xd driver freehub from bike hub store and switch it with my Shimano freehub. I then spent another few minutes installing the e13 cassette. The only issue I had was the size of the chain on my chain whip tool was a little too wide. I ended up using it anyway and had to pry it off the cassette after tightening the 2 pieces together. I think it took a total of 10 min to do the whole job including some small adjustments.

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    Coming from the "rhythm and step" close ratios of the XTR, how do you find the larger gaps of the e13 from the middle to the 44?
    I miss my Shimano spacing, ride a 10-42. Think it's a little gappy and was almost gonna slap a 2x11 back on, but this 9-44 has me rethinking the 1x. Big jumps in gears? I'm sure the jump to 9T is huge but I'm not too worried about the shifting in or out of that gear.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingchickenstrip View Post
    I had the XTR 11 speed cassette with the monster 45t one up. Up front I had a 32t one up "traction" chainring. I was working great shifting was amazing. The only downside was not much top speed.

    I was able to order a xd driver freehub from bike hub store and switch it with my Shimano freehub. I then spent another few minutes installing the e13 cassette. The only issue I had was the size of the chain on my chain whip tool was a little too wide. I ended up using it anyway and had to pry it off the cassette after tightening the 2 pieces together. I think it took a total of 10 min to do the whole job including some small adjustments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Coming from the "rhythm and step" close ratios of the XTR, how do you find the larger gaps of the e13 from the middle to the 44?
    I miss my Shimano spacing, ride a 10-42. Think it's a little gappy and was almost gonna slap a 2x11 back on, but this 9-44 has me rethinking the 1x. Big jumps in gears? I'm sure the jump to 9T is huge but I'm not too worried about the shifting in or out of that gear.
    I have done a few rides now and have not had a problem with the shift quality, its perfect. Larger gaps between gears has not been an issue with me. With 11 gears I can always find a good gear for the conditions.

    What is really nice is having that 9 and 10 tooth gear for flat or downhill sections. It's also nice to build up some extra speed before going up hills.

    I have finally found a 1X11 setup I am happy with, and don't have to deal with any compromises

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingchickenstrip View Post
    I have done a few rides now and have not had a problem with the shift quality, its perfect. Larger gaps between gears has not been an issue with me. With 11 gears I can always find a good gear for the conditions.

    What is really nice is having that 9 and 10 tooth gear for flat or downhill sections. It's also nice to build up some extra speed before going up hills.

    I have finally found a 1X11 setup I am happy with, and don't have to deal with any compromises
    That's exactly how I feel. Being lazy and/or wanting to have more fun, I like to pick up as much speed as possible on a downhill section right before going uphill. The 9t definitely allows for that. The bigger gaps between gears hasn't been noticeable to me but I came from an X01 cassette. It definitely isn't so big that you ever think about gaps between gears. Shifting is the best I've ever ridden. I have a new chain on the way too, so looking forward to using it with a good chain for the first time since I've owned it. It really is a no compromise setup once you get over the purchase price.
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