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    Why use rebound on your Z150???

    Ok guys,

    I understand the concept of rebound dampening. It keeps the fork from becoming a pogo stick. There is a spring under there, and if you couldn't slow down the rate it returns after hitting a bump, it'd bounce all over the place. With my Z150, it is obvious when you slow the rebound down, the fork slowly comes back to place.

    HOWEVER, the question is - when is a good idea to speed up rebound or slow it down?

    So I was riding with my group the other day, and we were flying down some singletrack, and I felt as if I was out of control! I tried to speed up the rebound by twisting the know all the way open counter clockwise, but seemed to make it worse. But logic would say that the faster the fork responds to bumps, the faster you can go, right? Perhaps I need to slow the rebound to go faster? Thoughts?

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    usually you want the rebound faster for stutter bumps and slower for big hits and drops.

    Sometimes your rear shock could be causing problems...out of balance
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    what if you are climbing in some rock gardens at slow speeds?

    or what if you are flying down some bumpy singletrack at high speeds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    what if you are climbing in some rock gardens at slow speeds?

    or what if you are flying down some bumpy singletrack at high speeds?
    single track slightly faster rebound....I don't know about climbing but I know you would want a stiffer pre-load when climbing

    Might want to service your fork if it hasn't been serviced in 5 months
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    preload is iffy on the z150. imo, when you put air into it, the performance suffers!

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    its not that you need slower rebound the faster you go (because some may note the opposite), its that proper rebound settings become more critical at faster speeds. So set too fast and the front end will become uncontrollable, too slow and the suspension will 'pack up' and not respond well.

    Going off what SMT said, the perfect rebound has a high response time but still properly limit it's speed to track the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    preload is iffy on the z150. imo, when you put air into it, the performance suffers!
    they arent meant to use alot, maybe 5-10psi max, if any at all. You can really tune the fork alot by removing a spring and using higher pressures, buts it's tricky and may need to tune oil height as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    its not that you need slower rebound the faster you go (because some may note the opposite), its that proper rebound settings become more critical at faster speeds. So set too fast and the front end will become uncontrollable, too slow and the suspension will 'pack up' and not respond well.

    Going off what SMT said, the perfect rebound has a high response time but still properly limit it's speed to track the ground.


    Geez Zedro! Always have to be technical! So when I am flying down some singletrack at high speeds, should I a. slow rebound for better handling and plusher feeling, or b. speed up rebound for better handling and plusher feeling?

    Those are your two choices, and any explanation thereafter must be in laymans terms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    Geez Zedro! Always have to be technical! So when I am flying down some singletrack at high speeds, should I a. slow rebound for better handling and plusher feeling, or b. speed up rebound for better handling and plusher feeling?

    Those are your two choices, and any explanation thereafter must be in laymans terms!
    from your original post, it seems you know the answer: your rebound is set too fast.

    Slow the rebound to the slowest, and gradually open it up. If it starts getting uncontrollable, you know you've gone too far and start backing off. Dont play with it all willy-nilly, do it incrementally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    from your original post, it seems you know the answer: your rebound is set too fast.

    Slow the rebound to the slowest, and gradually open it up. If it starts getting uncontrollable, you know you've gone too far and start backing off. Dont play with it all willy-nilly, do it incrementally.

    OK, will do. Zedro, you must be on PST, cause I'd think that most of our east coast friends are sleeping. So.....you must live near the Whistler area by my reasoning...right?

    Personally, I am in San Diego, and it is hot as hell here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    OK, will do. Zedro, you must be on PST, cause I'd think that most of our east coast friends are sleeping. So.....you must live near the Whistler area by my reasoning...right?

    Personally, I am in San Diego, and it is hot as hell here!
    no EST, in montreal. I have sleeping disorders and employment issues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    Geez Zedro! Always have to be technical! So when I am flying down some singletrack at high speeds, should I a. slow rebound for better handling and plusher feeling, or b. speed up rebound for better handling and plusher feeling?

    Those are your two choices, and any explanation thereafter must be in laymans terms!
    I use the following system when setting rebound on any shock (front or rear

    Turn the rebound all the way slow. Make half turns (or single clicks) out (turn in the direction to speed up the rebound) until it rebounds at a decent rate (it doesn't stall in it's travel when doing the standing push test while using the front brake.)

    Now go ride it. If either shock "packs-up" (seems to stall deep in it's travel) then back it out one click or half turn until it no longer packs-up.

    The key is to make very small changes and test them on similar terrain until you get the handling you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no EST, in montreal. I have sleeping disorders and employment issues...

    Aah. You live near Detroit. Crossed the border there once. Had to go under a bay, and came out to Montreal to see casinos everywhere.....at least I hope I have the right area. Anyways, why don't you come down to the ole' USA where the taxes are lower, thus the increase in jobs?

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    no, detroit is probably 10-12 hours away (across from Windsor). Montreal is above Vermont/New York. Would probably never move to the US, thinking about heading back out west; used to live in Whislter several years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, detroit is probably 10-12 hours away (across from Windsor). Montreal is above Vermont/New York. Would probably never move to the US, thinking about heading back out west; used to live in Whislter several years ago.

    Sorry, Windsor. You are right. My geography is poor! Well, if you ever want to make more money, USA is were it's at - although I am still trying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit71
    Sorry, Windsor. You are right. My geography is poor! Well, if you ever want to make more money, USA is were it's at - although I am still trying!
    yes but isnt that extra money spent on small arms and bullit proofing cars? har har...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    yes but isnt that extra money spent on small arms and bullit proofing cars? har har...
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    The Super T you have is really a very good fork. I'd take that fork over a Fox 40 or a Boxer unless i was entering a fashon contest instead of a race

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