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    Why do dirt jumpers / street guys ride with their seats so raked?

    ....just why?
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    Illl also add to the question, why do some of them wear skinny jeans, emo haircuts, and make em selves look like complete wankers? And why don't these people wear helmets?
    (note, I'm not saying everyone in this riding catagory are like this, only some are)

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    I am afraid that is the latest trend. Emo anal.

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    well living in nyc i see most trends starting before they reach the world,the skinny jeez thing came about because most bmx'ers were getting they're jeans caught in the chain so they just started wearing smaller jeans,makes a lot of sense,this is the same reason that i only ride with shorts on,the emo hair just came from most of them being poor and not caring about getting a haircut,then just throwing a hat over it.this is what makes there hair look like they just took a helmet off or something,this is also the look that every young school kid bmx'er or not is going for,little do they know that most trends start from people who dont care about fashion like bmx'ers,bboys,skaters,and things like that.it will phase itself out soon,but the bmx'ers will still rock it cuz its easier for them to ride with skinny jeans,and theyve been doin it for as long as i can remmeber

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    Your pelvis rotates backwards when you crouched like that on a small seat. It ends up sitting flush, like a 'normal' bike saddle would, on your sit bones.

    And skinny jeans are just in, in general. Has nothing to do with the chain, just an added bonus. Way better than the super baggy trend that we just got through.

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    It also saves on clothes purchasing. All those 90 lb kids can raid their sisters closet and borrow their pants. And their panties....

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    yeah I like the trend for skinny jeans
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    they wear skinny girl jeans because they are wanker loving ****'s. Pants getting caught in the chain ring is just a piss poor excuse for dressing like a complete idiot/***. In the late 90's fat baggy wigger looking pants were all the craze and all the little BMX butt nuts rocked baggy pants that were ripped up on the right leg.

    I have no idea why the seats get pointed like they do. Maybe it is for a specific purpose like gettingit between your legs to control the bike in the air. Maybe it is to look like the fruit cake that started wearing girl pants, wears make-up and uses a hair straightener. I really don't know.

    I'm waiting for chubby, balding and stupid to come into style so I fit in better.

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    bunch of old wankers,you sound like your parents complaining about beatle haircuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    yeah I like the trend for skinny jeans
    Yeah, but substitute a dude in those jeans and things go from boner to curled up in the fetal position crying in terror real fast.
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    emo guys prefer the boner

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    I dont do the whole skinny jeans thing. I have a nylon band with velcro to keep my regular sized pants out of the chainring

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    I do it because with the short stem on my DJ bike it gives more room in the cockpit and doesn't feel as cramped. It is also easier for me to pinch the seat with my legs because I find myself more over the back tire on things like manuals and bunny hops. Oh and I don't wear skinny jeans. Thought I needed to add that because it seems that people are really stuck on that right now.

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    Haha, I fit pretty much all of those stereotypes. Why do I wear tight pants? They're alot more comfortable than my stiff guy pants. It hurts less when you fall, they dont get caught in your chain, and they're warmer because its just like wearing a base layer. Why are the seats like that? You never actually sit on your seat. It's alot more comfortable to sit on the back of your seat and the rear tire, or even your TT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    emo guys prefer the boner
    99.99% of them are virgins and don't know what they prefer. They just wanna, like, cuddle and listen to the Smiths, man.
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    why do you emo/trendy/hipster/queers wear tight fitting purple colored lady pants flannel shirts and ghay knit hats in the summer?

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    when you land on a steep transition the seat will actually be level and it's easier to stay on the bike.

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    little do they know that most trends start from people who dont care about fashion like bmx'ers,bboys,skaters,and things like that
    Wow, you just named off pretty much all the groups that are absolutely obsessed with their image and won't even want to talk to someone who isn't dressed right.
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    Ever catch your shorts on the back edge of your seat coming back from a tuck? Its really bad.

    Why are so many of the posters to this thread being close minded *******s? You guys need to chill out...

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    I thought having your seat raked back made it easier for grabbing your saddled with like super seaters etc, right?

    Who cares about skinny jeans.. i say let people wear what they want... doesn't bother me and we don't need to rag on anyone for wearing what they like. cool?

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    You guys are critiquing other guys' clothes and calling them queers? Am I the only person who sees the hypocrisy?

    As for the seats, they're slammed so damn low (sometimes too low to pedal) that it just feels right being raised above the top tube angle. It just feels natural coasting when your seat is at that level. Some people (usually young kids) take it too far though, I will agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountains
    99.99% of them are virgins and don't know what they prefer. They just wanna, like, cuddle and listen to the Smiths, man.
    These young shits wouldn't know who the Smiths are if Morrissey kicked them in their skinny jeans, they're probably listening to Fall Out Boy or that heart a gram suck band.
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    Whats worse, a bunch of kids wearing tight jeans and sporting funny haircuts, or a bunch of sport class racers spending hundreds of dollars on the latest TLD pyjama kits with matching helmets trying to be all "moto?"
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    Trends will always be around. Its not like there werent some pretty weird ones back then too (think cross dressing rock bands, parachute pants, neon (which seems to be coming back too))....and while some people can come up with reasons explaining some of these trends, i cant seem to find any practicality in this......
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    Whats worse, all the skinny jean seat pointing up kids, or that they're all better then you are.

    But seriously, who gives a fyck.

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    I hate to admit how old I am here (36) If I remember around the late 90's rolling tricks (manuals and nose wheelies) and tailwhips were all the rage.
    The seat being low does help with the manual and the tailwhip. And it being slanted that far down does really help with nose wheelies.
    Also when you do land from high-ish are (jump, transisition, to flat, etc) your butt will end up moving the seat down there anyway. So you either bent the seat strip the pivots bend the seatpost or crack the frame.

    And I have no idea when my fellow riders went from looking like a bunch of badasses who just got kicked out of a suicidal tendencies show. To a bunch of emo single speed wana-bees.
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    I also have a problem with the pajama kits too! They are retarded just like the emo girl pants.
    I'm straight from the 90's as well so obviously Palmer was/is one of my MTB icons and when he came back this year I was really excited to see him back in the scene. Then I saw his goofball pajama outfit at Sol Vista, what a shame. I still like the guy, just think he looked stupid, just like emo kids.

    All of you that are hating on me becasue I make fun of emo queers and goofball pajama/clown suits can continue to do so, I really don't care

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    if its for practical purposes, then cool.
    if its for fashion, then im sure it because they want to attract the type of girls they think look good, not to attract old chodes who think they are queers
    in fact, im sure they look middle aged people whith their tucked in shirts and high pants and think they look queer
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    I'm down with all girls no matter what they wear fashion or function. Only requirement I have for the ladies is to fall within the guidelines of my height to weight ration chart.

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    the seat angle thing,I've heard a number of the reasons people have already stated,but befor that i always thought it had something to do with having the seat level when the bike is on the landing ramp of a double set.If things havn't gone so well and you feet are no longer on the pedals but still on either side of the bike...

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    its because when you get a itchy anus, you cant scratch it with such tight pants, so you sit on the top tube and slide back as hard as you can. the only way to get to it

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    And the droopy-drawer freeriders who cant either purchase a belt or pants w the correct waist size are any better?

    Whatever, Fashion is retarded, this is MTBR - maybe we should post this over on GQ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    I'm down with all girls no matter what they wear fashion or function. Only requirement I have for the ladies is to fall within the guidelines of my height to weight ration chart.

    yea man thats why you have to wear their jeans.... If you try them on and theyre not tight, then shes no good (fattie)
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    Quote Originally Posted by carrot_top
    Trends will always be around. Its not like there werent some pretty weird ones back then too (think cross dressing rock bands, parachute pants, neon (which seems to be coming back too))....and while some people can come up with reasons explaining some of these trends, i cant seem to find any practicality in this......
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    you mean looks like this?:
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    whats next? guys wearing bras? panties? giving eachother handjobs in the school bathroom in the name of a "trend"? "what do you care if i give guys handjobs! you're just old and dont get it!"

    its gonna happen!

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    that was really cool,fn hardcore, the helmet nazi's are gonna have kittens, soft fuzzy declawed neutered kittens

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    hhmm, funny, that somehow never even occured to me.

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    i think this thread brought out all the ignorance mtbr has to offer.

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    "ignorance" means someone is uneducated on a topic or idea.. do you have some sort of insightful explanation for tight jeans and setting up your bike in a trendy way?

    or do you just wear your sisters pants and wanted to say ignorant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot
    "ignorance" means someone is uneducated on a topic or idea.. do you have some sort of insightful explanation for tight jeans and setting up your bike in a trendy way?

    or do you just wear your sisters pants and wanted to say ignorant?
    for such a macho guy you certainly worry a lot about what other dudes are wearing, not to mention your intimate knowledge of gay sexuality.

    just saying... i think you might have some repression going on or something.

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    did you take offense? is this a serious issue/concern for you and you felt the need to take a stand and put your foot down?

    im not giving you a handy dude!

    anyone whos taken a human development class gets it. kids dont find their identity until later in life, a large reason why everyone looks the same in highschool and sometimes into college before they come into their own. its just a part of growing up, people look back and realize themselves it was kinda lame. i had plenty of baggy pants with chainring cuts on them too.

    in short, its really not even a topic to be taken seriously, nor will you change adolescent development away from following trends.. might as well have fun with it. its just exceptionally easy to make fun of the girl pants trend still not giving you a handy though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot
    "ignorance" means someone is uneducated on a topic or idea.. do you have some sort of insightful explanation for tight jeans and setting up your bike in a trendy way?

    or do you just wear your sisters pants and wanted to say ignorant?
    but you have no knowledge on this topic. sure some guys wear girl pants but the vast majority of these "emo fags" wear tight pants made for men. but it doesnt matter what i say, keep on hating if you want. i'll sit here in my tight jeans and laugh at all the idiots who obsess over what over people wear.

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    I remember before it was a trend, one of my friends came to school in tight girls pants. He told me he spent the night at his girlfriends hous, his were dirty and they fit him.

    He was one of those skinny ass guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    but you have no knowledge on this topic. sure some guys wear girl pants but the vast majority of these "emo fags" wear tight pants made for men.

    Changing the lable from "girls" to "Mens" does not mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karpiel666
    I remember before it was a trend, one of my friends came to school in tight girls pants. He told me he spent the night at his girlfriends hous, his were dirty and they fit him.

    He was one of those skinny ass guys.

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    I've been around bmx since the 80's. I think it came from the crappy seat guts always slipping - this is before pivot post and even the Thomson style Primos. I know on my old Kashimax it would strip and usually ended up with the nose of the seat a little up from landing on it.

    It also gives a little more room for stuff like turndowns, cans and pitching the seat. And helps so you don't get caught behind the seat when buzzing your butt on the rear tire when nosed down.

    And I hate to say it, but it looks so much better - it gives a "line" from the seat to the bars. I slammed the seat on my sussy bike today for a quickie jump and it just looked horirble.

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    Lol, I love the fact that you guys are insulting people just because of the clothes they wear. And using virgin as an insult... Seriously?

    Personally I don't wear tight jeans and a beenie, but i have no problem if other people want to.

    Seat wise I've always understood that because it's so low it's comfier tilted back, and also makes tricks easier from the point of view of landing and grabs.

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    I would rock those zubaz pants.

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    i have like 6 pair of levis 514 slim fit and they are not skinny jeans but they still keep out of my chainring (also a bash guard on your drive side crank helps )
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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    I would rock those zubaz pants.

    Hellz yes! I had a few pairs back in the 80's-90's

    I asked for a pair for x-mas $29 on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl
    Lol, I love the fact that you guys are insulting people just because of the clothes they wear. And using virgin as an insult... Seriously?
    haha I love it too. If you look ridiculous because you dress like an idiot you deserve to be made fun of.

    I must have slipped right past the virgin insult but I will also make fun of that. Getting your groove on with the ladies is the BEST! I started at a young age but I sure wish I did more fuzzy flounder fishing before I got married. When it comes to notches in the belt you can never have too many

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    I've got a better question.
    Why do people bother riding mtb's on the street anyway. Havn't they seen at least one bmx video. Even the tamest pro level bmx street riding makes the stuff top level street mtb riders are doing look pretty damn weak.

    Ride however you like if your having fun, just don't put that weak shiz in videos, its pathetic!

    And dj'ers, yes you're marginally more impressive, but if you're riding dj's with any kind of suspension, you better be hitting stuff that requires it, as in huge.

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    Don't even get me started on wearing lycra/spandex when you trail ride. Now that is gay, stupid and gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teague
    I've got a better question.
    Why do people bother riding mtb's on the street anyway. Havn't they seen at least one bmx video. Even the tamest pro level bmx street riding makes the stuff top level street mtb riders are doing look pretty damn weak.

    Ride however you like if your having fun, just don't put that weak shiz in videos, its pathetic!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jawdrop on hardtail
    ...and we all know how this turned out. The damn skin suit constricted his nutsack so much he couldn't hold on to the bike anymore.

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    i guess i'm getting old, i think the kids are looking mighty goofy these days. i'm pretty sure thats what they thought of me when i was younger...

    but lol, that one video of macaskill is like one billion times cooler than all street bmx vids put together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidownhiller
    ...and we all know how this turned out. The damn skin suit constricted his nutsack so much he couldn't hold on to the bike anymore.
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    from my experience, if my DJ seat isnt slammed, and angled up, if i hit the backtire (which has happen) and i get thrown forward into the seat post / back of seat (from it being raised) it hurts a lot more....

    usually if i hit the back tire, and get thrown forward, with the seat angled i end up on the seat and not under it...
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    The seat angled up gives more room for your leg when cracking tables and makes it less possible to get hung up when bringing the bike back to straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058


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    Thats not exactly what i meant by street riding, nor the way or style that the vast majority of people ride street on mountain bikes.

    I'll admit that i think that he has skills. And that the video is entertaining.

    First of all, he's on a trials bike. With no suspension. And what are those, 24's? smaller? I think it could definitely be argued that that's closer to a bmx bike, than anything that should be called a mountain bike, by todays standards.

    Second of all, the vast majority of that video is trials riding, or trials riding with some mediocre street skills mixed in. The rest are street moves that could have done been better, and have been done better on bmx bikes.

    The video works, and is entertaining because of the blend of styles, not because it is impressive street riding.

    Thanks for playing, and for proving my point.

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    Yes Danny Mac is a trials rider (those are 24" wheels) but a trials bike is still classed as more of a MTB than a BMX. Lets not forget that Trials originated from MTB whereas BMX originated from kids bikes.

    How about this then?

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    Oh yeah and mike mongomery doesnt wear girls jeans when slim fit MENS jeans will do.

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    Trials is a lot closer to MTB than BMX. I would also bet a large amount of cash that Danny Mac is a lousy trials rider when it comes to competition.

    Girl pants on boys and men are still lame. Emo is still stupid. Being a virgin by choice is retarded. wearing lycra for anything other than racing XC or shooting a porno is pointless.
    I could care less where someone angles thier seat, it personal preferance.

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    I agree it looks stupid but then I'm old so what the hell do I know. but to suggest it's for some sort of performance gain/no money etc is even stupider. It's fashion pure and simple. they're all at it down the local skate park.

    Only thing that concerns me(also because i'm old and have kids) is the lack of helmets and body armour! they're braining themselves on a daily basis.

    yeah we all did it back in the early 90's as well(we also dressed in dayglo lycra and had purple ano bikes). MTBing with no helmets and the only armour back then was fitted to tanks but all the gears available now so there's no excuse other than fashion and we'll never stop that.

    I wear knee armour all the time now as I'm paranoid about damaging them and am aware that my biking days could be over if I do. at 15 I didn't care what happened tomorrow, never mind planning years ahead by looking after myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropmachine.com
    Whats worse, a bunch of kids wearing tight jeans and sporting funny haircuts, or a bunch of sport class racers spending hundreds of dollars on the latest TLD pyjama kits with matching helmets trying to be all "moto?"
    LOL.

    Why the hell do they make them look like pyjamas anyway? Is it intentional? That's how I've been seeing some of the TLD's for a long time. Thor sure has some pyjama prints on their stuff too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_M2R
    Illl also add to the question, why do some of them wear skinny jeans, emo haircuts, and make em selves look like complete wankers? And why don't these people wear helmets?
    (note, I'm not saying everyone in this riding catagory are like this, only some are)

    Cycle helmets do relatively **** all to protect you in the event of a mountain bike accident or road accident. They are simply too light and too insubstantial to offer much if any energy reduction/protection against serious head injury. They do nothing to prevent spinal injury.

    Helmets are mostly for insurance purposes and law abidance i.e. being seen to at least do something in these risk-averse insurance-claim nanny-state times...

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    not because it is impressive street riding
    Suck it, you're just jealous you can't ride probably anywhere near his level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Cycle helmets do relatively **** all to protect you in the event of a mountain bike accident or road accident.
    Yeah, definitely! It's always better to crack a skull than a helmet. Helmets cost money and skull you don't need to buy a new one, so like what's the point.

    Trollin' huh?

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    No dum dum. I am educated. Skint but educated. Do some research. Regular cycle helmets don't offer much protection i.e. very little. Downhill type helmets are better, but the protection they offer is still, or can be considered, negligible.

    Your average cycle helmet will not save your skull. Might stop you getting some cuts and bruises. Sure, but prevent brain damage in a major impact? Not a chance.

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    Well that does depend on what is classified as a major impact.

    From 22-26mph fall and head first impact to road surface? Road helmets go to pieces and mostly people escape with a minor concussion and bruising, cuts all over. Slip on ice and hit your head not wearing a helmet riding at no speed at all, people die like this every year. Is it down to more luck with hitting your head if you wear a helmet, is that what it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinseflow
    Well that does depend on what is classified as a major impact.

    From 22-26mph fall and head first impact to road surface? Road helmets go to pieces and mostly people escape with a minor concussion and bruising, cuts all over. Slip on ice and hit your head not wearing a helmet riding at no speed at all, people die like this every year. Is it down to more luck with hitting your head if you wear a helmet, is that what it is?
    What are you wittering about. Most people survive 30mph falls on to their heads do they? Where did you get that information? Was it from the WhateverIjustmadeitup University?

    Strewf.

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    Read papers. You gave yourself away, troll.

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    As per mtbr usual. An educated response leads to accusations of being a troll fron the rednecks.

    The data shows that cycle helmets are not very effective at preventing brain injury due to impact. At best they can offer protection against cuts, bruises, and some protection against sharp foreign objects such as sticks and stones... but a dirt jumper might as well jump without. What they do nowadays, a cycle helmet doesn't offer much protection from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Cycle helmets do relatively **** all to protect you in the event of a mountain bike accident or road accident.
    Generalizing it like that will mean all helmets. If you want to say dirt jumpers are better without because protection is better that way and they look **** cool, then just say it.

    As stated, road incidents (in race situation) result in cracked helmets and sometimes in a concussion. I've had mine. Slipping on a bike on black ice in the city streets results in deaths every year for some non-helmet wearers. It's not even news, it's just one more number for the statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinseflow
    Generalizing it like that will mean all helmets. If you want to say dirt jumpers are better without because protection is better that way and they look **** cool, then just say it.

    As stated, road incidents (in race situation) result in cracked helmets and sometimes in a concussion. I've had mine. Slipping on a bike on black ice in the city streets results in deaths every year for some non-helmet wearers. It's not even news, it's just one more number for the statistics.
    What you are claiming simply isn't true. Cycle helmets do not prevent death, period, as you Americans like to say. On that the data is clear. Cycle helmets offer very little protection against serious head injury. Try reading the data.

    What does the cracked helmet tell you? It offered very little impact resistance. At best you get less cuts with a helmet, at worse you get an inflated and irrational sense of protection, and so you take more risks. Which again is something the data suggests.

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    9 speed you are a trollin fool, go cut your wrists with some emo kids.

    No one ever said that a helmet is going to be 100% effective but they sure to reduce the number of cycling related deaths and serious injury. Saying DJ riders don't need to wear one is just plain retarded. They sure do hit jumps so big that lading in certain situations a helmet would be useless but there are also times where the helmet could prevent death or serious injury.

    You sound like an idiot. I am guessing seatbelts and airbags in cars are pointless too? Since people use them and still die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    9 speed you are a trollin fool, go cut your wrists with some emo kids.

    No one ever said that a helmet is going to be 100% effective but they sure to reduce the number of cycling related deaths and serious injury.
    No they really don't. At all. The research proves this. Cycle helmets do not prevent many if any deaths. Indeed the standards the helmets have to adhere to don't reqquire this condition is met. A basic understanding of science and engineering would enable you to see the cycle helmet for what it really is. A plastic hat that will prevent cuts in some accidents yet offers very limited protection agaist serious impact.

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    The mother fukking man:


    Monty boys that mack Danny Mac look like the little emo tool he is

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    9 speed you are a trollin fool, go cut your wrists with some emo kids.

    No one ever said that a helmet is going to be 100% effective but they sure to reduce the number of cycling related deaths and serious injury. Saying DJ riders don't need to wear one is just plain retarded. They sure do hit jumps so big that lading in certain situations a helmet would be useless but there are also times where the helmet could prevent death or serious injury.

    You sound like an idiot. I am guessing seatbelts and airbags in cars are pointless too? Since people use them and still die?
    Simply not true. A cycle helmet offers very little protection against serious impact to the head. There simply isn't enough material in a cycle helmet to turn the energy into material deformation, noise, heat, etc. There simply isn't enough material to decellerate a head landing from way up there after a Red Bull freeride loop de bar loop.

    All the data that exists reveals this to be true. The standards the cycle helmet manufacturers have to adhere to don't in anyway make provision for what cyclists do today on bicycles. If you fall at about 10 mph onto the curb, sure good old helmet will help you a bit.. unless of course you break your neck...

    Same is true of horse hats. The great Chris Reeve was wearing a horse hat.

    I prefer not to wear a cycle helmet. It's the freedom.

    In Australia when they implemented compulsory helmets, there was a drop in deaths, and the governments and cycle helmet manufacturers all gave themselves pats on the back and blow jobs. However, when the data was analysed they found that the decrease in head injury was directly proportional to the decrease in the numbers of cyclists following the ban. The ban recduced injury because less people chose to cycle... hence it really is an issue of freedom amd efficacy .

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    I am guessing seatbelts and airbags in cars are pointless too? Since people use them and still die?
    Depends what you consider the "point" to be. I'm fairly confident that if airbags were replaced with a big fecking boxing glove on a spring people would drive waaaay more carefully.

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    "It is important to recognise the flaws in this logic. Even if helmets are effective, it does not follow that all cyclists should wear them. Racing car drivers wear helmets, but not people driving to work. The difference is the level of risk. For the same reason, racing cyclists and mountain bikers often choose to wear helmets, but riding down a quiet road to the corner shop is a generally safe activity. Driving and cycling have similar risks per hour of serious head injury."




    Just love that logic.... next time some Auntie Cotton Pants tells you to wear a helmet on your bike, tell them you will if they wear one when they are in the car....

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    "Safety conscious cyclists more likely to wear helmets...."

    In other words, cycle helmets tend to be ridden by pansy girly men who don't have many accidents.

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    Darwinism will eventually take care of people like 9speed.

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    we found that riders with helmets had an 85 percent reduction in their risk of head injury (odds ratio, 0.15; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.07 to 0.29) and an 88 percent reduction in their risk of brain injury

    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/320/21/1361

    from the New England Journal of Medicine. Those odds are good enough for me to wear a helmet.

    I know this article was quoted in the orginal argument, but the orginal argument dosen't have any real evidence or studies to show their point all it does is pick apart the NEJM Article. No study is perfect but the Rivera Thomson study was actually an experiment that had a result the rebuttal was just comments and commentary.

    You can create similar arguments for seat-belts and air bags and cumple zones. Nothing is perfect but the effectiveness of them out weighs the dangers of them. I am sure people have died from selt belts trapping them, airbags are dangerous in some instances, but the benefit out weighs all of this. At least a helmet hasn't killed anyone. So since an airbag or seat belt can kill you I am going to stop using them. Who is with me???

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    Lol, I'm loving reading this thread. Why so many personal insults, and I really don't get why being a virgin by choice is stupid. It's like saying not taking heroine when you have the chance is stupid. Lycra is also good for road racing, great for wearing underneath stuff and also skinsuits can make people faster on certain downhill courses.

    Helmet wise, you seem to be contradicting yourself a bit 9speed. Your saying about helmets not absorbing any energy from an impact, and also saying that the fact they break on impact proves they are not working. What do you think you need to break a helmet... ENERGY! Energy used to break the helmet is less energy damaging you. It may not be much, but I'd take any improvement if it's the different between dying/having a worse quality of life, or not.

    You also seem to be using examples of standard commuters, and red bull freeriders, depending on whichever suits your current point. Please just argue about the effectivness of helmets in one situation at a time.

    And I'm not surprised cycling helmets are worn by people who have less accidents. The people who don't wear them are obviously stupid, and probably have so many brain cells knocked out of them by the extra accidents they can't see sense.

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    Calling BS on this... seen first hand a helmet save a dudes melon... cuts and scrapes, really, YOU really think that's all they are good fer...

    the research proves this? link please... a link to any credible source of research. You also work for the global warming crew and their "research" team? Some poor misinformation going on here

    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    No they really don't. At all. The research proves this. Cycle helmets do not prevent many if any deaths. Indeed the standards the helmets have to adhere to don't reqquire this condition is met. A basic understanding of science and engineering would enable you to see the cycle helmet for what it really is. A plastic hat that will prevent cuts in some accidents yet offers very limited protection agaist serious impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    OK, props for the link...

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    Quote Originally Posted by d.n.s
    you mean looks like this?:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCiIOTlgpE
    They don't really need helmets cause their heads are from titanium or something
    one day this poor man is going to have to re-learn the alphabet or worse how to ride a bike
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    The skinny jeans do have a purpose, it does aid in keeping the fabric out of the chain.

    BUT! i'm talking about properly fitting skinny jeans, they don't look stupid like the 2 sizes too small, ass-hanging out, blood constricting, emo jeans.

    The saddle tipped back helps prevent the saddle from catching on your pants when you go way far over the rear wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneeck
    Suck it, you're just jealous you can't ride probably anywhere near his level.
    nope. i'm just a guy who rides real mountain bikes on real mountains. i dunno. maybe this whole street thing is good. more people riding in the streets means less on the trails right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl
    Why so many personal insults, and I really don't get why being a virgin by choice is stupid. It's like saying not taking heroine when you have the chance is stupid.
    It's actually not like saying that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinkerjuarez
    we found that riders with helmets had an 85 percent reduction in their risk of head injury (odds ratio, 0.15; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.07 to 0.29) and an 88 percent reduction in their risk of brain injury

    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/320/21/1361

    from the New England Journal of Medicine. Those odds are good enough for me to wear a helmet.

    I know this article was quoted in the orginal argument, but the orginal argument dosen't have any real evidence or studies to show their point all it does is pick apart the NEJM Article. No study is perfect but the Rivera Thomson study was actually an experiment that had a result the rebuttal was just comments and commentary.

    You can create similar arguments for seat-belts and air bags and cumple zones. Nothing is perfect but the effectiveness of them out weighs the dangers of them. I am sure people have died from selt belts trapping them, airbags are dangerous in some instances, but the benefit out weighs all of this. At least a helmet hasn't killed anyone. So since an airbag or seat belt can kill you I am going to stop using them. Who is with me???
    That study is apparently based on children on children's bikes. So you are quite happy to scale up, to interpolate, and so if an 8 year old on a kid's bike has a 85% less chance of head injury, you think that tiny bit of foam and plastic will protect you with similar odds when you are downhilling or jumping? Not a chance.

    Try reading the link I posted above again. It highlights why that study you have such faith in is flawed.

    Cycle helmets offer very little protection against brain injury in adults doing proper full on mountain bike stuff. If you are jumping 10-30ft in the air, if you are blasting down a mountain at 30-50mph, if you are jumping off a cliff for Kranked or Red Bull etc. That helmet you might be wearing is doing very little other than making insurers happy that they can tick their boxes, and helmet manufacturers happy that they are selling ticky tacky plastic helmets. It's also making you uncomfortable of course, and reducing your visibility, but the fact is that a cycle helmet offers next to no protection in a serious head impact. There simply isn't enoughterial there to protect the brain in a real impact. Other studies show this.

    So I say.. don't wear one. Pointless things.

    I laugh at people who wear them just to pootle round the woods....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    That study is apparently based on children on children's bikes. So you are quite happy to scale up, to interpolate, and so if an 8 year old on a kid's bike has a 85% less chance of head injury, you think that tiny bit of foam and plastic will protect you with similar odds when you are downhilling or jumping? Not a chance.

    Try reading the link I posted above again. It highlights why that study you have such faith in is flawed.

    Cycle helmets offer very little protection against brain injury in adults doing proper full on mountain bike stuff. If you are jumping 10-30ft in the air, if you are blasting down a mountain at 30-50mph, if you are jumping off a cliff for Kranked or Red Bull etc. That helmet you might be wearing is doing very little other than making insurers happy that they can tick their boxes, and helmet manufacturers happy that they are selling ticky tacky plastic helmets. It's also making you uncomfortable of course, and reducing your visibility, but the fact is that a cycle helmet offers next to no protection in a serious head impact. There simply isn't enoughterial there to protect the brain in a real impact. Other studies show this.

    So I say.. don't wear one. Pointless things.

    I laugh at people who wear them just to pootle round the woods....
    While i agree that the average cycling specific full face is insufficient (not DOT approved)

    I also think that you are the most retarded idiot in all of trollville.


    Never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experiance!
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    From the point of view of riding off cliffs and doing jumps with full face helmets, they do help... alot. Mainly admitadly because it means you can use a neck brace.

    Also like I said, the seriousness of a crash is all down to chance, and even if something only improves my chance of survival by a few %, I'd still comsider that it is definatly worth it. If you really hate your life that much then feel free to not do anything to attempt to protect it.

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    "Thus the helmets currently sold are designed to protect against minimum falls under ideal conditions for the helmets, not for real falls by human beings........"

    http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/advocacy/mhls.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl
    From the point of view of riding off cliffs and doing jumps with full face helmets, they do help... alot. Mainly admitadly because it means you can use a neck brace.

    Also like I said, the seriousness of a crash is all down to chance, and even if something only improves my chance of survival by a few %, I'd still comsider that it is definatly worth it. If you really hate your life that much then feel free to not do anything to attempt to protect it.


    Ah good old made up science based on opinion.

    Some suggest that helmets might actually cause greater injury due to the greater rotational forces they contribute to the head on impact.

    Besides, really, how often do you fall on your head? I have been cycling 30 years. Never once have I landed on my head. I swear you lot have all gone mad. Cycling helmets are designed to best protect against a kind of impact that never happens i.e. top of the head. What about a side blow?

    And anyway, the cycling helmet is so compromised to make it farcical. An adequate helmet wouldn't be comfortable to ride. It would weigh several pounds, and present additional problems because of its extra weight...

    I would rather have the freedom of wind in my hair than take the hot sweaty uncomfortable hassle of a little bit of overpriced plastic and foam on my head. I would rather forego the very negligible protection a tiddly cycle helmet offers. Cycle helmets are the foo foo dust nonsense hi-fi speaker cables of the bicycle world. Nice work if you can get it!

    And again... using your logic, you should also put a helmet on to drive your car and walk to the shops. And for sex....

    Actually, since an overwhelming number of accidents occur in the bathroom, you should also wear a helmet in the bath or shower....

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    9speed, what kind of riding do you do?

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    9 Speed, I have to respectfully disagree. I have broken 4 helmets in the last 10 years and at in 3 of those crashes had I not been wearing my helmet, I would have been at least SERIOUSLY injured and 2 of those I may not be here talking/typing to you.

    Not one of those crashes did I land on the "top" of my head. The last one, as a matter of fact, I landed on my side, with the impact causing my head to slam on it's side on the ground. Hit so hard that snot/spit flew out of some part of my body (mouth, nose) and covered my glasses with slime and dirt. The helmet compressed and broke in the area of impact, which it was designed to do. I hit my head in the temporal area and I had a light headache for a few days, but I have crashed enough to know that the impact would have been far more severe if I hadn't been wearing a helmet.

    So, please, if you don't want to wear a helmet, don't. Darwin is right.

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    Lol, so you completely ignore my comment about neck braces. Also I would have said helmets causing rotational forces sounds like made up science to me. How on earth would a piss pot cause your head to rotate?

    My last crash I flew head first into a tree root (front wheel kicked off something, slipped round and I got catapulted). My head made first contact, the helmet broke, and I rode off with a bit of a head ache. I'm geussing if the helmet wasn't there my head would have broken in some way.

    Decent helmets (and especially full face helmets) also give a certain amount of protection to the sides and back of your head.

    I'm sure many more people die per year in the bathroom than on mountain bikes, but then again alot more people use a bathroom than mountain bikes.

    More people die due to coconuts than acts of terror, does this mean the goverments of the world should launch a war on coconuts?

    I just don't see how you can seriously be saying people should be doing serious freeriding, with no helmets. Apart from anything, as mention, that would also mean no neck braces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    As per mtbr usual. An educated response leads to accusations of being a troll fron the rednecks.

    The data shows that cycle helmets are not very effective at preventing brain injury due to impact. At best they can offer protection against cuts, bruises, and some protection against sharp foreign objects such as sticks and stones... but a dirt jumper might as well jump without. What they do nowadays, a cycle helmet doesn't offer much protection from.
    Comparing brain injury from impact on a flat surface? Ok maybe you have a bit of a point, but there are these things called rocks you mention, which tend to be littered in the earths surface. Some protection? Such objects could crack the sh!t out of your skull. You are assuming way to much in your minuscule little world, while at the same time addressing it?

    Then calling others ignorant? I never really knew the true meaning of a thread troll till coming across this.
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    9 speed, so you claim that a helmet is not good when you go down really, really hard. So lets say you ride at 15 - 20 mph and fall otb head first on a gravel/ rocky ground. You claim that you would be safer without a helmet then with one?

    How stupid can you be. This is me crashing at freeraid classic last summer, it broke the carbon outer shell and the hard foamish shell on the inside. With a regular cross country style helmet I wouldve had a massive concusion, with that fullface all I had was a minor one and luckily no neck injury. I'm sure you could imagen not only the cuts and bruizes but the brain damage I would've got when I fell like that with no helmet.

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    Go try your troll'ism at the cross country board ya dweeb, it's not working here. I always do freeride stuff with a proper fullface and when dirtjumping/ street riding I always wear a purpose made helmet(you know with a thick plastic shell over the hard foam to help distribute impact force)

    Ohh and I laugh at the fools riding without a helmet, you'll learn the hard way some day.
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    When i see those kind of videos i'm entertained impressed ect ect, the lack of helmet means very little to me,i'm not concerned,he seems to know what he's doing.Most of his falls don't involve head impact i know what that's like,i rode for many years without a helmet. When i dh i would definitely wear one even without outside influence,when i xc i wear my roady helmet,but i've forgotten it a couple of times and it didn't effect me a bit . But i didn't turn into a helmet nazi when i chose to start wearing one. You might put up some noble purpose behind your concern, caring about your fellow man, betterment of society,we end up paying for his care ect ect ,but i think you just like telling people what they should do.

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    Oh no not at all, he and other's who don't crash on their head while not wearing a helmet either have wicked luck or could turn their body at the last second avoiding head impact. That is not nearly good enough for me, that crash was my first severe one in 2 years of biking with an airlift off the mountain, before I always wore one anyway cause I know if you fall on your head without one you will regret it the rest of your life cause most injury's are so easy to avoid. Granted it doesn't protect me from everything, but that is no reason at all to convince people not to wear helmets. If you watch closely you could see the point of where my wheel slammed 90 degrees and the time it took my body at that speed to hit the ground there is no way on earth you'll be able to react and save yourself by rolling over or something.

    Mayb it's the thing that i'm only 23 years old and want to do allot before I either die or get injured so bad it limits my ability to bike. However I do try to convince people to wear safety gear, just for the hell of it. You say no i'll leave you alone, it's you're choice and i'm fine with that. But don't try to drag other's with you, any sensable person knows that wearing a helmet helps preventing injury.
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    9SPEED : I trail ride pretty aggressive and hit up to 4 ft drops and small to med. jumps. I wear a bell sport cycling helmet and it has saved my head so many times. I go over the bars straight into a rock on the ground or smack a tree branch and guess what theres my helmet. Saying a helmet does nothing or very little to protect you is just idiotic! And guess what, a lot of cycling helmets are actually designed to crack upon a heavy impact which more evenly distributes the forces and helps to dissipate them. This way they stay light and provide protection. Full face helm would def. be nice for jaw and more overall protection, but any helmet helps. Since you don't believe in helmets just keep riding without one...

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    ...9 speed, this is a troll! the helmet thing is completely off the topic of this thread!!

    and not only is it off topic, it's a really stupid arguement.

    Hey, if i were to take a baseball bat and bash your head with it, would you rather have the helmet? or would you guarantee your death by saying "well they do virtually nothing to protect you, so i'm gonna not wear it"

    you said before that helmets that crack only prove that they don't absorb much energy. go and buy a helmet and see how much force it takes to crack the shell, cracking it uses energy, energy that is absorbed from the crash.

    Thats not made up science, thats physics.
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    9speed is ridiculous

    "It only takes 33 ft pounds of energy to fracture a skull, or
    approximately 398 inch pounds of energy"
    http://www.eijkhout.net/rad/dance_other/health4.html

    "It takes about 250 to 350 ft/pounds to fracture the skull, which is
    close to the rib fracture energy above."
    http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/Issues_an...Head_snap.html

    "a force of 73 Newtons is enough to cause a simple fracture, this
    force is the equivalent of walking into something solid. An
    unrestrained adult fall from standing has been shown to produce a
    minimal force of 873 N which is more than enough to produce a skull
    fracture."
    http://www.portfolio.mvm.ed.ac.uk/st...oup62/head.htm

    NOTE* to convert Newtons to pounds multiply by 0.2248 in the above
    case 73 newtons=16.4104 and 873N=196.2504 lbs

    A bicycle helmet is rated to protect your head from a drop to flat of up to 2.2 meters, which would result in 81.1 ft-lbs of energy. If 33 ft-lbs can crack your skull, I would say you would be better off with a helmet on in the event of crash.

    9speed I hope since you make fun of people for wearing helmets that you are a great rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    yeah and how many of these "injuries" occurred from mountain biking, road biking and BMX i would be interested in seeing those stats and if a helmet it too much for you to handle i suggest you choose another sport perhaps in the special olympics wearing a helmet is 100 times better than re-learning the alphabet or how to ride
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    The hardest head impact i've had to date, was crashing at the local DJs. I fell on the side of my head (are you reading this 9speed ?), from about 12 feet up. The impact compressed the foam in my 661 dirt lid all the way to the outer shell, leaving a perfect head-sized round dent on the inside of the helmet.

    I walked away with a minor concussion and 3 weeks worth of headaches and dizziness.
    Had I not been wearing the helmet, i would NOT be typing this today. That is a fact.

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    I was riding diablo. Lower dominion to be exact. (I think. The ones with the huge wallrides) It was raining, and I was about half way up the wall ride. My wheel washed out, and I went down hard. I felt my head hit the ground. Thank god I was wearing a full face. There's some pretty deep scratches in it now from that crash.

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    9speed, you've just been owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pro
    I was riding diablo. Lower dominion to be exact. (I think. The ones with the huge wallrides) It was raining, and I was about half way up the wall ride. My wheel washed out, and I went down hard. I felt my head hit the ground. Thank god I was wearing a full face. There's some pretty deep scratches in it now from that crash.
    Woop de doo.. it saved you getting some cuts. Anecdotal reports like yours attest to nothing.

    A helmet would do very little in the event of a serious impact to the head. Not even a full-face offers much brain protection... but we keep going round in circles. my issue with helmets is this...

    Car drivers don't wear them. Rally drivers do. Figure Ice skaters don't wear them, but speed skaters do. Cyclists are expected to wear them but pedestrians aren't. Some mountain bikers wear them and some don't. I have never ever landed on my head, let alone on the top of my head. Why ruin your comfort and freedom for something that rarely happens?

    All seems a tad arbitrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexJK
    9speed, you've just been owned.
    Not really. I have an opinion that others share.

    We can't all be helmet/panty wearing pansies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Not really. I have an opinion that others share.

    We can't all be helmet/panty wearing pansies.
    If only I could be as manly as you are...till then I'll just keep wearing my helmet and matching panties.

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    Come on guys... how often do you land on your head?

    Why wear something all the time that offers limited protection, protection that is rarely ever tested?

    Seems crazy. Aint gonna save your spine. Unikely to save your brain in a big one..

    Stupid things, helmets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Come on guys... how often do you land on your head?

    Why wear something all the time that offers limited protection, protection that is rarely ever tested?

    Seems crazy. Aint gonna save your spine. Unikely to save your brain in a big one..

    Stupid things, helmets.
    fine when you fall on your unprotected head and die there will be more room in the world for the rest of us and as a byproduct through selective reproduction your stupidity will die with you happy trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by blooregard
    fine when you fall on your unprotected head and die there will be more room in the world for the rest of us and as a byproduct through selective reproduction your stupidity will die with you happy trails
    Jeosis Chrost.. you still don't get it.

    Helmets will not protect you from death. In an accident likely to cause death, you will only see negligible protection from your helmet. In other words, you still be dead.

    Geez.. no wonder they get away with rigging elections over there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Jeosis Chrost.. you still don't get it.

    Helmets will not protect you from death. In an accident likely to cause death, you will only see negligible protection from your helmet. In other words, you still be dead.

    Geez.. no wonder they get away with rigging elections over there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by blooregard
    wow you crashed already you must have because you spelled Jesus Christ wrong
    I was just trying not to blaspheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneeck
    9 speed, so you claim that a helmet is not good when you go down really, really hard. So lets say you ride at 15 - 20 mph and fall otb head first on a gravel/ rocky ground. You claim that you would be safer without a helmet then with one?

    How stupid can you be. This is me crashing at freeraid classic last summer, it broke the carbon outer shell and the hard foamish shell on the inside. With a regular cross country style helmet I wouldve had a massive concusion, with that fullface all I had was a minor one and luckily no neck injury. I'm sure you could imagen not only the cuts and bruizes but the brain damage I would've got when I fell like that with no helmet.

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    Go try your troll'ism at the cross country board ya dweeb, it's not working here. I always do freeride stuff with a proper fullface and when dirtjumping/ street riding I always wear a purpose made helmet(you know with a thick plastic shell over the hard foam to help distribute impact force)

    Ohh and I laugh at the fools riding without a helmet, you'll learn the hard way some day.

    Bit of a feeble crash I thought.

    And what are you suggesting the helmet saved exactly? His life? ROTFLMAO!

    He would have been just as hurt without.

    Rugby players have heavier falls and they don't wear helmets....

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    Rugby players don't land on rocks though.

    You keep on saying you'll die without a helmet, and because they provide such little protection you'll die with one. I'm sorry but that's just stupid.

    The difference between life and death can be tiny sometimes, in which case a helmet will help.

    Also they don't do any bad, so why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl
    Rugby players don't land on rocks though.

    You keep on saying you'll die without a helmet, and because they provide such little protection you'll die with one. I'm sorry but that's just stupid.

    The difference between life and death can be tiny sometimes, in which case a helmet will help.

    Also they don't do any bad, so why not?
    They often clash heads when they run into each other.

    Which brings me back to the question, if you don't land on your head every ride, and helmets offer limited protection should you land on your head, why ruin every ride in a sweaty helmet? I'd rather be without.

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    I don't land on my head every ride, but I can hardly plan which rides I will land on my head.

    I find that my head is by far and away the last part of my body to get sweaty. Because of this I find no reason to not use that limited protection... it's still protection.

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    I am bored of this now.

    A helmet is very limited protection. So limited in fact that it really isn't being unprotected to not wear one. They are heavily compromised items.

    Also, you lose most of your heat through your head, so I am afraid that covering it with a helmet is really not a good idea when exercising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Bit of a feeble crash I thought.

    And what are you suggesting the helmet saved exactly? His life? ROTFLMAO!

    He would have been just as hurt without.

    Rugby players have heavier falls and they don't wear helmets....
    You sir(or kid, as thats the level of your responses) are totally incorrect. I pointed out a helmet will not save my life, what it will save in an event of a minor crash such as my video is a heavy concusion with likely brain damage as a result. You can try to defend your opinion that without a helmet i'd just have had the same damage/ minor concusion as you want, but nobody will ever buy that. I fell to a dead stop from speed on a hard gravel/ rocky trail, dream on if you think a helmet will not save you from injury. You are living in a made-up fantasy world dominated by falsely implemented data.

    Also, you keep dragging in a major crash a helmet will not save you. So let's see, if you wear one and you will crash you'll be dead, what does it mean if you don't? You'll die either way right? Now go figure, I take wearing a helmet and prevent minor injury any day over not wearing one cause it doesn't work in a "real" heavy crash. The chances of causing more damage with my helmet on than without are so minimum it's plain silly to keep bringing it back. It takes no force at all damaging your brain which leads to loosing your ability to walk and ride a bike, you are willing to loose this by simply don't wear a helmet? Go ahead.

    I bet you're one of them guy's who say's you don't need to wear seatbelts in cars which have airbags too.
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    So I always wear a helmet…….
    Except when I am urban riding…….
    But I know I should wear one even when just riding street.
    BUT I see where 9speed is coming from, he may not be completely correct but that doesn’t mean we should hope he dies because he doesn’t share our views on wearing helmets.
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    No he totally oversee's the point why we wear helmets. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it won't save you're life in a major crash, but anything in between it'll do the job nicely to protect the gray matter. He also fails to see the amount of force it actually take's on the head to damage it, with the sport we are in you can use some extra protection to help in a crash.

    If an obstinate guy like 9 speed try's and fails to tell the world about his opinion he will get burned down like he did. I don't want to publicly whish people dead or stuff like that for sticking by their opinion but some people are so ignorant by their own made-up truth it's sickening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneeck
    You sir(or kid, as thats the level of your responses) are totally incorrect. I pointed out a helmet will not save my life, what it will save in an event of a minor crash such as my video is a heavy concusion with likely brain damage as a result. You can try to defend your opinion that without a helmet i'd just have had the same damage/ minor concusion as you want, but nobody will ever buy that. I fell to a dead stop from speed on a hard gravel/ rocky trail, dream on if you think a helmet will not save you from injury. You are living in a made-up fantasy world dominated by falsely implemented data.

    Also, you keep dragging in a major crash a helmet will not save you. So let's see, if you wear one and you will crash you'll be dead, what does it mean if you don't? You'll die either way right? Now go figure, I take wearing a helmet and prevent minor injury any day over not wearing one cause it doesn't work in a "real" heavy crash. The chances of causing more damage with my helmet on than without are so minimum it's plain silly to keep bringing it back. It takes no force at all damaging your brain which leads to loosing your ability to walk and ride a bike, you are willing to loose this by simply don't wear a helmet? Go ahead.

    I bet you're one of them guy's who say's you don't need to wear seatbelts in cars which have airbags too.

    No, clearly seatbelts are very effective at saving lives. Therefore I wear one. Airbags also useful. But why don't car drivers wear helmets if cyclists do? It's all rather arbitrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_mill
    "It only takes 33 ft pounds of energy to fracture a skull, or
    approximately 398 inch pounds of energy"
    http://www.eijkhout.net/rad/dance_other/health4.html

    "It takes about 250 to 350 ft/pounds to fracture the skull, which is
    close to the rib fracture energy above."
    http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/Issues_an...Head_snap.html

    "a force of 73 Newtons is enough to cause a simple fracture, this
    force is the equivalent of walking into something solid. An
    unrestrained adult fall from standing has been shown to produce a
    minimal force of 873 N which is more than enough to produce a skull
    fracture."
    http://www.portfolio.mvm.ed.ac.uk/st...oup62/head.htm

    NOTE* to convert Newtons to pounds multiply by 0.2248 in the above
    case 73 newtons=16.4104 and 873N=196.2504 lbs

    A bicycle helmet is rated to protect your head from a drop to flat of up to 2.2 meters, which would result in 81.1 ft-lbs of energy. If 33 ft-lbs can crack your skull, I would say you would be better off with a helmet on in the event of crash.

    9speed I hope since you make fun of people for wearing helmets that you are a great rider.
    The figure you quote is for an impact to the top of the helmet. This is how helmets are tested, and this is what the standards dictate. You also, negate what happens to that energy on impact. It doesn't just go away, there isn't enough material in a cycle helmet to just diddipate and absorb that 81ft/lbs figure you qoute.

    Cycle helmets are of limited use.

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    It's not the dissipation of energy that matters in a situation like that, it's the rate at which your head is going decelerate. A helmet adds a little buffer which is quite precious when your talking about reducing G's on your head and therefore less sloshing around of your brain inside you skull.

    You completely fail to see the other factors in a crash. I've had my helmet jousted by pointy bamboo and just had it scrape off. I've had branches clip off fair bits of paint. If that was my head I'm sure it would have been a major laceration and we all know how wounds to the head bleed. Would have certainly ruined my day.

    I think a great example of your argument would be: If I was within a kilometer of the epicenter of a nuclear explosion - a helmet would do very little to save my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    No, clearly seatbelts are very effective at saving lives. Therefore I wear one. Airbags also useful. But why don't car drivers wear helmets if cyclists do? It's all rather arbitrary.
    Considering how many people die in car accidents, maybe they should!
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    I'm not really sure what's worse...the dudes in this thread who are overly concerned with what other dudes wear while riding their bikes, or the dudes in this thread who are carrying on an extended argument with a poster who is CLEARLY trolling. I mean, how much more obvious does he need to be?

    Next thing you know, people will be having an heated debate with someone who posts about square wheels being OBVIOUSLY better than round ones.

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    Well ofcourse it's better you'll have way more tire contact on the ground, equals more grip which in term means you can corner faster. Not that hard to figure out is it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarashi
    It's not the dissipation of energy that matters in a situation like that, it's the rate at which your head is going decelerate. A helmet adds a little buffer which is quite precious when your talking about reducing G's on your head and therefore less sloshing around of your brain inside you skull.

    You completely fail to see the other factors in a crash. I've had my helmet jousted by pointy bamboo and just had it scrape off. I've had branches clip off fair bits of paint. If that was my head I'm sure it would have been a major laceration and we all know how wounds to the head bleed. Would have certainly ruined my day.

    I think a great example of your argument would be: If I was within a kilometer of the epicenter of a nuclear explosion - a helmet would do very little to save my life.
    Yeah that happens a lot.. pointy bamboo.. have to watch out for it... pesky stuff.. that and the pandas. Thank Allah for that little plastic helmet...

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    9 speed...stop trolling
    I suggest you go read up on basic physics, then come and try to sell your **** (of which no one here is buying)

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    I am going out on my bike without my helmet.I am going to fall off on purpose and try to bang my head hard.Then i will be able to say wow what a man i am.I feel so much better about myself for not being a helmet wearing Pansy.Actually i went through a stage of not wearing a helmet but after seeing things i would of rather not and the fact that it really isnt that much of a big deal to put one on before you go out riding that passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    No, clearly seatbelts are very effective at saving lives. Therefore I wear one. Airbags also useful. But why don't car drivers wear helmets if cyclists do? It's all rather arbitrary.
    Maybe Because they have airbags and seatbelts? not to mention the surrounding metal cage.


    Race cars generally dont have airbags, they wear helmets........hmmmmmm I wonder why!

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    Yes, he is the definition of a troll.

    For me, a proof that 9speed is incorrect is very simple:

    1. I was a physics major in college (UC San Diego)
    2. I have an MD (and an MPH fwiw)
    3. You are wrong

    Q.E.D.


    Next topic...

    PS: I have personally seen someone die from a ground level head injury (falling backwards onto a brick patio)
    PPS: rotational energy can theoretically increase given the larger size of a helmet vs skull. However, in practice this would very rarely occur.
    PPPS: reducing the rate of energy dissipation is analogous to decreasing deceleration g-forces. They are not equivalent, but you could measure/calculate either if you were trying to determine whether a specific device was helpful in reducing injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noiseunderthebed
    Maybe Because they have airbags and seatbelts? not to mention the surrounding metal cage.


    Race cars generally dont have airbags, they wear helmets........hmmmmmm I wonder why!
    LOL

    Now we really are stabbing in the dark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    Yes, he is the definition of a troll.

    For me, a proof that 9speed is incorrect is very simple:

    1. I was a physics major in college (UC San Diego)
    2. I have an MD (and an MPH fwiw)
    3. You are wrong

    Q.E.D.


    Next topic...

    PS: I have personally seen someone die from a ground level head injury (falling backwards onto a brick patio)
    PPS: rotational energy can theoretically increase given the larger size of a helmet vs skull. However, in practice this would very rarely occur.
    PPPS: reducing the rate of energy dissipation is analogous to decreasing deceleration g-forces. They are not equivalent, but you could measure/calculate either if you were trying to determine whether a specific device was helpful in reducing injury.

    The most hilarious post yet. "In practice this would rarely occur..." What are you talking about man? Just cos you pluck your science' from out your butt, don't make that science right! I bet your 'science' training leads you to believe the official narrative regarding the twin towers (and building 7) i.e. that they fell because of fires.. I'm right aren't I? If so, I spit on your Mickey Mouse physics 'degree'.

    Can you also suck your own widget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    helmets are like fat panties.
    Your thinking is retarded.

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    9 Speed, I looked on your profile and you ride a Specialized Pitch Pro? If that's true, we can all safely guess that you aren't riding downhill, or freeride, but cross country. Or maybe all mountain, but still. You may not being doing anything dangerous enough enough to constitute a helmet, but everyone else here is. Keep your opinion, but don't try and force it onto people. So quit trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyFTW
    9 Speed, I looked on your profile and you ride a Specialized Pitch Pro? If that's true, we can all safely guess that you aren't riding downhill, or freeride, but cross country. Or maybe all mountain, but still. You may not being doing anything dangerous enough enough to constitute a helmet, but everyone else here is. Keep your opinion, but don't try and force it onto people. So quit trolling.
    Lol.. is the Pitch a cross country bike? Lol

    I detect some snobbery. For the record my Pitch has Hope Hoops on DT 5.1's, Hope headset, Hope bottom bracket, Hope skewers, Pike air fork, Stroker Trail brakes, DX pedals,... I ride what I can in the UK..

    As for you lot all riding dangerously... yeah, like that video above.. woooooooooo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Ah good old made up science based on opinion.

    And again... using your logic, you should also put a helmet on to drive your car and walk to the shops. And for sex....
    Sex is only good if you need a helmet. You must be one of these self imposed Virgins if you don't know that yet.

    I've fallen on the top of my head. I've also survived (barely) an accident that would have killed me or landed me in a coma had I not been wearing a helmet. You can think what you like, but I'm going to wear a helmet. And I'm going to insist that my kids wear helmets until I no longer provide them shelter and food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Lol.. is the Pitch a cross country bike? Lol

    I detect some snobbery. For the record my Pitch has Hope Hoops on DT 5.1's, Hope headset, Hope bottom bracket, Hope skewers, Pike air fork, Stroker Trail brakes, DX pedals,... I ride what I can in the UK..

    As for you lot all riding dangerously... yeah, like that video above.. woooooooooo!

    ROTFLMAO
    Can't believe I live in the same country as this pr1ck.

    Let's just hope I don't meet you on the trails...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Simply not true. A cycle helmet offers very little protection against serious impact to the head. There simply isn't enough material in a cycle helmet to turn the energy into material deformation, noise, heat, etc. There simply isn't enough material to decellerate a head landing from way up there after a Red Bull freeride loop de bar loop.

    All the data that exists reveals this to be true. The standards the cycle helmet manufacturers have to adhere to don't in anyway make provision for what cyclists do today on bicycles. If you fall at about 10 mph onto the curb, sure good old helmet will help you a bit.. unless of course you break your neck...

    Same is true of horse hats. The great Chris Reeve was wearing a horse hat.

    I prefer not to wear a cycle helmet. It's the freedom.

    In Australia when they implemented compulsory helmets, there was a drop in deaths, and the governments and cycle helmet manufacturers all gave themselves pats on the back and blow jobs. However, when the data was analysed they found that the decrease in head injury was directly proportional to the decrease in the numbers of cyclists following the ban. The ban recduced injury because less people chose to cycle... hence it really is an issue of freedom amd efficacy .
    In 1993 I am personally glad I was wearing a helmet when I hit a cow doing 20plus miles an hour flipped 10feet in the air and landed on my head. Somehow it took that impact- turned it into material deformation and save my life- of course I was almost dead from the accident but my brain was intact. I was indeed lucky I didnt break my neck or sever my spinal cord (the cows stepped on my back after I landed).

    But the helmet did its job and it was an old bell Cyclone from 1993.

    You can spout all the data you want- hit your head just right and your a veggie. I prefer to at least mitigate some of the chances of that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Lol.. is the Pitch a cross country bike? Lol

    I detect some snobbery. For the record my Pitch has Hope Hoops on DT 5.1's, Hope headset, Hope bottom bracket, Hope skewers, Pike air fork, Stroker Trail brakes, DX pedals,... I ride what I can in the UK..

    As for you lot all riding dangerously... yeah, like that video above.. woooooooooo!

    ROTFLMAO
    Yep it's a cross sountry bike and judging from the build you don't have the stones to ride it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Lol.. is the Pitch a cross country bike? Lol
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    In summary, this guy is saying that wearing a helmet while riding a mountain bike is useless, he believes his Specialized Pitch is a downhill bike, AND he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.


    And you're all still arguing with him, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesh to Steel
    In summary, this guy is saying that wearing a helmet while riding a mountain bike is useless, he believes his Specialized Pitch is a downhill bike, AND he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.


    And you're all still arguing with him, why?

    3 straight down pulverised collapses at freefall speeds all NOT following the least line of resistance... nah I am a realist. They were blown up.

    I didn't say it was a downhill bike, I said it wasn't a cross country bike. It's true I don't have any mountains near where I live. I live in the UK. Not California.

    The only reason this thread got to be so dumb was cos you guys were too easy to yank around and this forum doesn't invite inteligent debate.

    The whole helmet argument has been raging on cycling fora since the internet began and forums were alt newsgroups...There is logic to what the anti-helmet brigade argue. However, I am reminded of the incident in which Christopher Reeve became paralysed. Head injuries are not the only injuries, and cycle helmets CAN BE ARGUED to offer little protection in that regard. That is all I am saying.

    Unfortunately, too many of you aren't able to grasp and grapple with opinions and arguments.

    I blame Fox news et al. It's created dumb asses of us all.
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    I can understand about arguing the need of cycling helmets on non wodded XC trails, or canal bike paths, but when doing stupid freeride stuff I really can't see much of an argument.

    Also yes, helmts won't protect against paralysis from spinal injuries, but neck brakes will help, and for one of those to work you need a helmet.

    And you live in the UK but can;t find mountains... south east I take it? Cos I'm in the UK and I don't have to go far to get mountains, especially by an american persons standards.

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    hold on i thought this was a downhill forum ???
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    I'll put $10 down that 9speed has never used a condom. By his own logic, anything that could put a damper on the expirience isn't worth it. I mean, AIDS is no big deal right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarashi
    ....just why?
    Goodness.... What is going on here?!?

    Well.. I rock a raked seat so I can slide behind my seat and over my back wheel while rockin baggy jeans!!

    Seriously, I find it to be a more level platform when on steeps and landing steep trannys. Alot less likely to case your nuts on the back of your saddle or seatpost too....Know what I mean? And if thats never happened.. y'all aint ridin hard enough.

    I don't know about specific dj or street reasons, but I ride dh,fr,dj,urban/park and rock a slight rake in all conditions.. and never wear tight jeans.!
    --On the Helmet topic..
    This reminds me of how old posts years ago with pics of dudes in the uk doing huge djs w/o helmets.. Everyone would get all riled up about it.
    I moved to Arizona recently and it's like the only state without motorcycle helmet laws.. I'ts absolutely insane for me to see guys riding freeways on bikes with no helmets. Well, TO EACH HIS OWN... I guess. ..BUT, I noticed that people who don't feel the need to wear a helmet, are most likely people who wouldn't feel the need to not point a loaded gun at their face either.
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    PA does not require helmets on State roads either.

    To be honest, I only wear a bike helmet on group rides and when freeriding/downhilling. I have no dependents though, otherwise I would probably wear it more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datalogger
    PA does not require helmets on State roads either.

    To be honest, I only wear a bike helmet on group rides and when freeriding/downhilling. I have no dependents though, otherwise I would probably wear it more often.
    Let's start a thread of pictures of ourselves riding w/o helmets. I know we all have at least one.
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    Id really like the guy who says helmets dont provide enough material to change the motion to "heat/sound/whatever" energy take a hammer hit his hand.... then take his other hand put a small amount of foam on top of his hand and hit it and tell me which one hurts more/ costs more at the hospital.. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOflow
    I'll put $10 down that 9speed has never used a condom. By his own logic, anything that could put a damper on the expirience isn't worth it. I mean, AIDS is no big deal right?
    Besides theres not enough material there to change the whatever comes out of his d!ck to heat/sound/something

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    uh wow... so yea, there is documentation to back this argument up but i am not gonna look for it....
    the design of a bicycle helmet is a single impact protection device... meaning cracked helmets, and helmets going all to pieces, them being too lightweight and not enough material to protect, blahlahblah... The DESIGN of the helmet is to protect your head when it hits the ground, hard... it is designed to do this by breaking apart and dissapating the energy through the destruction of the high density polystyrene, rather than the destruction of your skull. It is limited in its level of protection, yes. an impact at 60 mph, it will do very little to protect your head... that is why the helmets worn by downhillers, and motocross guys are larger, heavier and have more material in them. but yea, at 30 mph, your head stands a better chance of surviving the impact with a helmet, than without, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iridethedirt
    uh wow... so yea, there is documentation to back this argument up but i am not gonna look for it....
    the design of a bicycle helmet is a single impact protection device... meaning cracked helmets, and helmets going all to pieces, them being too lightweight and not enough material to protect, blahlahblah... The DESIGN of the helmet is to protect your head when it hits the ground, hard... it is designed to do this by breaking apart and dissapating the energy through the destruction of the high density polystyrene, rather than the destruction of your skull. It is limited in its level of protection, yes. an impact at 60 mph, it will do very little to protect your head... that is why the helmets worn by downhillers, and motocross guys are larger, heavier and have more material in them. but yea, at 30 mph, your head stands a better chance of surviving the impact with a helmet, than without, hands down.
    At 10mph maybe... but not 30mph... you're just making the science up.

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    my theory= your a [email protected] b!tch if u wear skinny jeans and u like to take it in the a$$ everyday by your bros who ride bmx bikes and wear skinny pants and play gamecube and drink natties and listen to sh!t music and cut your wrists and fall and [email protected] your head up for not wearing helmets and rack there vag!nas on there seats that are pointed straight up.

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    this thread has now become legend....

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    9speed, you should have had a helmet on when you were born, as you were obviously dropped on your head and now suffer from the permanent damage it has caused, even if you are afraid to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    this thread has now become legend....
    illusions of granduer...................


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    I'm with 9speed! Screw helmets. I've been wasting my money all these years.

    That crash I had on Lower Joyride a few years ago that cracked my Mad Max II... Well I wasted my money on that lid cause my head would've taken all the impact!

    (I should've read this thread when it started... Thanks for the memories!)
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    it doesn't take much to crack a helmet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed

    Geez.. no wonder they get away with rigging elections over there....
    heh...that was pretty funny actually

    that said...don't wear a helmet, I don't give a **** if you live or die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    At 10mph maybe... but not 30mph... you're just making the science up.
    Actually 9speed I am basing it off of my ten plus years riding, crashing.... Hearing stories, talking to my sister about her three years as a bike messenger and pro level mountain bike racer in the San Fran bay area, as well as her husband, a frame builder and pro level racer. They both knew people who wrecked badly, a couple died. Several got terrible concussions. One was my brother In law, wrecked while fully spun out in his big ring on a gnarly downhill with lots of rocks, and shadows that looked like rocks.. definatly going over 30 mph, probably closer to 40. He wrecked, endo, smacked his head, knocked out, woke up, and collected pieces of his helmet. It did what it was designed to, took enough energy out of the impact to slow the impact down enough to lessen the severity of the bruising to the brain when it sloshes forward and smacks the skull.
    My sister knew a guy who caught a wicked pothole on the street in San Fran going much much slower, endo, smacked his head, died. So 9speed, I wish you happy trails and only the mildest of concussions, remember, don't go to sleep, you might not wake up! I will wear my helmet, made of it's polystyrene, and I will wear my full face made of it's plastic and polystyrene, and I will not need dental surgery, or pressure relief holes drilled into my skull so the swelling brain matter from my severe concussion won't Fing kill me, because my helmet will reduce the impact just enough.... Pull out some more data on paper so I can wipe my a$$ with it, ride for a long time, with a lot of different folks and see what real world incidents tell you.
    Hah, the notion that if I endo and smash my face, helmet free into a freaking rock, vs my ultra light duty full face bell bmx/downhill helmet, my face will be no better off, well 9 speed, you are an idiot... So maybe the same helmet doesn't keep me alive if I compress my spinal column into a tree at 45 mph, but that is no reason to not wear one... Let's see, disfigured face, expensive dental surgery, and massive concussion, or, potential cracked jaw, mild concussion... Hmmm yea tough call... Are you brittish maybe? Bad teeth? Ugly mug? Nothing to speak of intellecually to protect with some sort of safety helmet? No because it's a government, and polystyrene industry conspiricy to keep us all looking goofy and buying polystyrene products... Don't you get it! Polystyrene has the highest paid government lobbyists!!!
    Yep, stupid to wear safety gear... Don't bother....

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    Doesn't take much to crack a skull either ... or pose as a real rider and make up a BS profile so you can go trolling on forums while you sit alone in the dark all night...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini6
    Doesn't take much to crack a skull either ... or pose as a real rider and make up a BS profile so you can go trolling on forums while you sit alone in the dark all night...

    Loser.

    sit alone in the dark all night check

    loser check

    troll no check....

    all I am saying is helmets aren't much cop. but i understand the mind and thought police (all of you) would rather I just have the same opinion as you lot. and it is a bit like the twin towers in that regard.

    accepted narratives and facts and notions.. often wrong.... check

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    9speeds guide to arguing assanine points.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    Come on guys... how often do you land on your head?

    Why wear something all the time that offers limited protection, protection that is rarely ever tested?

    Seems crazy. Aint gonna save your spine. Unikely to save your brain in a big one..

    Stupid things, helmets.
    9speed is a master of the art of debating rediculous ideas, here are a few tips I have found in observing his genious.
    Step 1: make totally insane statement, like " helmets only protect you from minor cuts and scrapes, but offer no protection from serious impact, and certainly none of the potential benefits are worth wearing a 'hot sweaty helmet' that makes you look like a panty wearing sissy boy".
    Step 2: ignore facts, this includes credible case studies published on the Internet, first hand accounts, second hand accounts, people with scientific backgrounds and degrees in physics, if you do not bother addressing these facts, then they cannot weaken the strong "weak materials do nothing/panty wearing pansies are the only ones who need them" argument.
    Step 3: at no point in time should you allow logic and reason dictate anything you say, the crazier and more rediculous the better, you simply cannot reason fact based info with a crazy person who ignores the facts!
    These three simple steps will have you out trolling forums with unheard of success, and remeber, don't wear your helmet because whatever doesn't kill you, just makes you stronger... So strong you won't remember how to tie your own shoes.

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    There hasn't been any credible case studies regarding helmets published on the Internet...

    And certainly you haven't read the one or two not so credible studies that have.....

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    There hasn't been any credible case studies regarding helmets published on the Internet...

    And certainly you haven't read the one or two not so credible studies that have.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    There hasn't been any credible case studies regarding helmets published on the Internet...

    And certainly you haven't read the one or two not so credible studies that have.....
    http://www.iihs.org/research/fatalit.../bicycles.html
    ther you go now shut your hole
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9speed
    There hasn't been any credible case studies regarding helmets published on the Internet...

    And certainly you haven't read the one or two not so credible studies that have.....
    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    The internet sounds like a tough place to ride.

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    so does it even matter what kind of seat you have for DJ/urban riding if so whats reccomended?
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