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    updated pictures of the apocalypse

    theyre not the best pictures, and the bike is not done. these are makeshift parts. Picture the bike with an 888. heh, notice the diablo sticker by the seat and the haagen dazs sticker on the left stantion. Oh, and that looks like a boxxer race, but the internals are ugraded to world cup, as well as travel so it gets 7". little mismatched

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    you have double teh rear travel than teh front....

    are you going to swap teh fork?
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    Didn't you read the sticker on that shock? It said not to do whatever you did.

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    yeah, Im going to be putting either an 888 or a monster T on. havent decided yet. leaning towards an 888 because of weight. the bike weighed in at 43 pounds, really light compared to my old stab which was 55 lbs.
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    If you are happy than that is a 10 in your books....fuc everyone else...very nice bike
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    thanks SMT. as the bike progresses i'll keep posting. I'm hopign to have a new fork on by the end of the month.
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    that friggen frame can suck up the biggest drops... damn thats hot

    11 in my books

    need to upgrade some stuff tho imo


    i want to feel that thing at diablo bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by themarsvolta55
    that friggen frame can suck up the biggest drops... damn thats hot

    11 in my books

    need to upgrade some stuff tho imo


    i want to feel that thing at diablo bro!
    like I said, theyre makeshift parts . Once I get enough money, im gonna buy all the upgrades for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    like I said, theyre makeshift parts . Once I get enough money, im gonna buy all the upgrades for it.


    lol sorry i was to lazy to read.... i just saw the pics

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    sweet frame, it just looks weird with out a huge fork ya know, not that that bad
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    you know now that u have that bike u have to huck yourself off just about everything! sweeet bike man how much did u pay for the frame. and only 43lbs thats pretty light so far
    Looking for a 7.87 x 2.25mm shock, any brand any age that runs well!! cheap would be appreciated!

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    payed 1500 for the frame which included the headset, seat post, seat, a set of bars, and the holzfeller crankset and guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    payed 1500 for the frame which included the headset, seat post, seat, a set of bars, and the holzfeller crankset and guide.
    i was drooling over the same frame dud

    i wanted to buy it.... but in no way was i gunnu have it

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    haha. dude, to be honest, it was a smart and terrible idea on my part. I love the bike, it makes me stab look like a joke, but I get nervous sometimes because karpiels out of business. either way, it still rides like no other bike. amazing how I took it trailing today and it handles very very well. easy to pedal and everything. its like a rock crawler heheh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    haha. dude, to be honest, it was a smart and terrible idea on my part. I love the bike, it makes me stab look like a joke, but I get nervous sometimes because karpiels out of business. either way, it still rides like no other bike. amazing how I took it trailing today and it handles very very well. easy to pedal and everything. its like a rock crawler heheh.
    Its easy to pedal? sweet
    Does it really have 14 inches?
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    Didn't you read the sticker on that shock? It said not to do whatever you did.

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    14 inches? Wouldn't the bash guard hit the ground before it bottomed out?

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    Pushd DHX w/ titanium coil and pushd rp3

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    someone needs a super monster
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    i want a new rear shock. ive got a problem with it too. for some reason the R/C coil is squeaking really badly and I cant figure out whats causing it . I was thinking either a DHX or the new cane creek. that float handles fine, im not worried about that. to be honest, i dun want a super monster . id rather have an 888 or even a monster T before that. I saw pics of one with a super, looked really out of proportion. sounds crazy, but. yeah it does have 13" of travel. it feels awesome. will not bottom out, heheh.
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    oh, and yeah it does pedal easy surprisingly. my friends bighit BB stands higher than mine, if that makes any sense. and he has a 24 in the back! haha. about the bottoming out, I wouldnt know. like I said, havent bottomed it out yet and I dun think I will, but who knows.
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    are you Bender by any chance??
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    Run that thing in the short travel low BB setting and keep that 7" on the front!!!!!!!!!

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    I'm not too familiar with the Karpiel's can someone explain what the extra shock does? I don't quite understand how that linkage works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertYota
    I'm not too familiar with the Karpiel's can someone explain what the extra shock does? I don't quite understand how that linkage works.

    it looks like it would work for like a pull shock, the air shock that is

    if there was a pivot on that linkage in the middle


    same with me i dont understand

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    The air shock works for rebound. theres a vpp where the shocks meet, thats how it works. its not a pull shock
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    The air shock works for rebound. theres a vpp where the shocks meet, thats how it works. its not a pull shock
    "looks" like it would work as a pull shock


    still dont know how the linkage works for it

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    Well obviously not a pull shock. Wrong setup for that. Strange it uses the shock for rebound. Is it because there is so much travel that it needs the float to help it rebound? I would be surprised if the coil couldn't handle it.
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    all the travel is in the first shock. theres so much travel that the rebound would be really really slow, which is what the rear shock comes in.
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    Cool but strange. I'd really like to ride one of those to see how it feels. Hmm one of these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertYota
    Cool but strange. I'd really like to ride one of those to see how it feels. Hmm one of these days.
    haha. dude it feels really sick. I mean there really is no other bike that ive ridden that feels even close to this one. soo much travel, you cant picture wat it feels like haha.
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    Look into an Avalanche DHS for the rear, the improvement over the Fox is HUGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    Look into an Avalanche DHS for the rear, the improvement over the Fox is HUGE.
    wow!!
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    Didn't you read the sticker on that shock? It said not to do whatever you did.

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    not a bad idea. i was considering it. lol, thatd probly give the bike yet even more travel. 14" probly. wow, thatd be unreal. ill e-mail them and ask. i completely forgot about avalanche. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    not a bad idea. i was considering it. lol, thatd probly give the bike yet even more travel. 14" probly. wow, thatd be unreal. ill e-mail them and ask. i completely forgot about avalanche. thanks!
    what size is the shock stroke on your fox?
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    Didn't you read the sticker on that shock? It said not to do whatever you did.

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    the coil says 2.8, but to be honest I dont think it is.
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    i believe the air shock works like this:
    there is a swinging link with the coil mounted close to the pivot and then an air shock mounted further down the link.
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    pivot coil air
    Once the coil bottoms out I believe it actuates the air shock.
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    only 43 pounds? It seems like my hopes of building an all-avy, sub 40 Karpiel Disco is not too unrealistic
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    wouldnt be hard to do. and both shocks move together, so yea. haha. like I said, it gives it rebound because where the coil bolts in by the seat is a vpp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    wouldnt be hard to do. and both shocks move together, so yea. haha. like I said, it gives it rebound because where the coil bolts in by the seat is a vpp.
    oh cool, I didnt know they both moved at the same time, I thought teh air shock didnt start working untill the coil was near the end of its travel...

    If a 3inch shock stroke avy would work, that would be sweet, and add travel

    Props to you on having that frame, just need some component upgrades
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    Didn't you read the sticker on that shock? It said not to do whatever you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    theyre not the best pictures, and the bike is not done. these are makeshift parts. Picture the bike with an 888. heh, notice the diablo sticker by the seat and the haagen dazs sticker on the left stantion. Oh, and that looks like a boxxer race, but the internals are ugraded to world cup, as well as travel so it gets 7". little mismatched

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    The only fork that would properly fit the bike is a super monster... I know a website u can buy one off of for only 1200.... and its brand new... if u want one let me know ill give u the website. u need a supermonster for a frame with 14 inch travel...

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    that is an incredible bike. i don't see why everyone is recommending a super monster. unless you plan on making that a huck only bike.... what a waste. even for huge hucks it's totally pointless. a bike that tall becomes completely unstable. in any kind of technical situation you're screwed.

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    Here's yer old Disco...

    Quote Originally Posted by ianjenn
    Run that thing in the short travel low BB setting and keep that 7" on the front!!!!!!!!!
    Dig the bike. The 888's out for service so I'm runnin' a 2002 Super T for right now. All built up, she's at 38lbs. Perfect for backcountry DH. Thanks again Ian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    what size is the shock stroke on your fox?
    The Fox RC is 8.75 x 2.75, you can put a 9 x 3 Avy or on an Army 9.5 x 3.

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    thanks for the shock sizes. the bike rides very easy in technical situations. I took it through some deep trails on saturday (me n my buddy wanted to go through all the mud) and it made his bike look like crap. the rear takes in so much and the boxxer is light in the front, so. the components do suck yea, but theyre better than nothing. i do need a longer chain though. the chain becomes tight because of all the travel. I've been debating the super monster because yeah the bike is made for it, but it'd be so heavy and a lot harder to manuver. Really not sure yet
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    You don't want a super monster for that bike, a good 8" fork is perfect. I run my bike in the 10" setting with an 8" fork and its real balanced.

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    Nice build!

    Still makes me sad to think she's gone!

    I hope you're enjoying it!

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    haha, sorry kavu! i am enjoyin the hell out of it though. yeah I dont want a super, too bulky. you were right about the confidence thing, i am having a blast on it. and trails are a joke .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    If you are happy than that is a 10 in your books....fuc everyone else...very nice bike
    I totally agree.

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    nice ride

    Quote Originally Posted by acdcfan1283
    haha, sorry kavu! i am enjoyin the hell out of it though. yeah I dont want a super, too bulky. you were right about the confidence thing, i am having a blast on it. and trails are a joke .
    hey i saw those pics b4 sweet bike.. my coilair doesnt have tht much travel but it ways 33 pounds

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    my rear travel is more than ur front and rear combined . beside the point, for a bike like that, that weight is unreal. my stab primo weighed 12 pounds more than that.
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    Naaah

    Sorry for refreshing the old topic, but congratulations

    I wanted to buy the frame some time ago, but nobody wanted my army, so i decided to leave at as it is...

    Will you sell it ? :> Not now, few month maybe, maybe later but do you consider such option?

    And use avy, theire expensive but nothing compares to it... I know what im saying. They are smoooooooth, durable i mean DURABLE. Bottoms out like endless travel, you just cant tell when the travel ended... Theyre just the best!

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    deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemnnnn thats one burly awesome looking bike

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    Not only looking It rides better than looks. Im not a hucker. I mean not the way i call it - Bender is a real hucker for me I made this bike to be superstrong, just to last every ride, and every mistake ( its common with my poor techniqe, at least i think its poor ;p )

    I also raced it few times and get about 30-40 / 200 pos. so its not so bad but always could be better of course I live in the mountains so i have a lot places to ride it. Its hard here - POLAND - because mountain bike structures here are not common, its even hard to get permission to get on the chairlift with your bike ;/ So a lot of time im spending on climbing with that baby - on the first photo you can see a beautifull view in the back, about 1300m, above the sea level - 5 hours of mordor... But than few hours of almost 25km track! ( with brakes for drink and eating of course :] )

    Bike is so damn smooth, when my friends finished first part, they were having problems with standing stable and carrying a bottle with tea in their hands... And mine was begging for more

    Its also very manouverable, even if it dont look like it is. It manuals, corners great and is very stable in air - balanced well. Like someone said "Makes the bunny hoping the whole new sport" haha , thats true, mine is @ 25-30cm level... Pretty low huh, but mostly you dont need to bunny hop...

    Sorry for my English.

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    Damn, nice rig.

    can you post up a pic of the front brake - the caliper looks really low to the ground (hit rocks)


    thanks and enjoy!




    Quote Originally Posted by MaxDamageDA
    Naaah

    Sorry for refreshing the old topic, but congratulations

    I wanted to buy the frame some time ago, but nobody wanted my army, so i decided to leave at as it is...

    Will you sell it ? :> Not now, few month maybe, maybe later but do you consider such option?

    And use avy, theire expensive but nothing compares to it... I know what im saying. They are smoooooooth, durable i mean DURABLE. Bottoms out like endless travel, you just cant tell when the travel ended... Theyre just the best!

    Here's my rig:

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    Sure!

    As soon as my friend will gimme back my sd card reader i will do. It looks like its hiting rock but somehow it dont. Im riding fast on rocks, so mainly i just touch them with lots of speed, not hiting everyone of them. Avy was built for 190mm gustav i think? With adaptor i made ( from iso to hope 5 bolt, as the disc i got with the fork was hope standart ) the disc fits my grimeka perfectly. Theres also an +40mm adaptor on the brake. The Avy disc is 9"

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    heh, glad to see this started up again. as for sellin it, sorry dude but I just got it so im not plannin on sellin it, or yet at least. I am stuck between a monster and a dorado (i know dorados are race forks, but ive seen a lot of huckers with em and theyre lightweight and strong as far as ive observed). that setup with teh avy looks insane. you know u wanna give me that rear shock
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    I'd go with the monster. I'd keep the boxxer around, because if you ever wanted to race, you can just remove the rear air shock and drop the travel to 9". The Avalanche is definitely a good investment. Here's mine:

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    Here is mine:


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    I would love to run the bike full avalanche, but man their forks are so expensive. the boxxer just overall doesnt ride right with the travel. too lop-sided.
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    Ha!

    I see a lot of old good friends here :> The world is small

    Here's a pic of those adaptors i run, from Iso to hope, and from 190 to a 230 disc:
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    why did you take out the engine.. might i ask?
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    How come all of you dont mount your reservoir where BRIAN HCM#1 mounts his? That seems like a better spot and more out of the way.

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    I think when you mount the res like Brian the cable has to bent quite a lot....I dont like that.

    To MaxdamageDA - you should try to have to low/high speed comp. adjuster on the MTN8...it works awesome ! It is the coppercolored adjuster you can see in the bottom of the MTN8 legs.

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    I wouldnt be able to mount it the way brian has it, but other than that id probly mount it on the very end of the top tube right where the seatpost is
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    i like your bike
    IS THIS SOMETHING YOU CAN SHARE WITH THE REST OF US AMAZING LARRY ?!?!?!

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    Seismic - Im using it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxDamageDA
    Seismic - Im using it
    Ok...but cant see it on the pics.

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    Nah, im stupid... youre talking about the Ultra adjuster right? Sorry...

    I dont have it in mine and cant afford one now ;/

    Whats the number of your avy (front) and if you could tell me which spring rate you have and whats the sag for now ( how much pressure in the shock and how much you weight ) ?

    Im about 70kg - 155lbs , with 500 pound spring and its a little soft i think, maybe it should be like that? When the bike bottoms out, i dont feel it really, but the bike does... With the biggest hits, sometimes those wheels used to change the progression rate are moved by the power of hit ( doesnt matter how hard the bolts are tightened ) It generates a sound like the frame is cracking ( it dont of course ) Thats only one thing i really dont like. Otherwise the bike rules :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxDamageDA
    Nah, im stupid... youre talking about the Ultra adjuster right? Sorry...

    I dont have it in mine and cant afford one now ;/

    Whats the number of your avy (front) and if you could tell me which spring rate you have and whats the sag for now ( how much pressure in the shock and how much you
    weight ) ?

    I dont know the number of the fork. My rear shock is setup with a 550 spring, 250psi and approx 30% sag in 10" mode. My bike rarely bottoms out and when it soes I can barely feel it.

    Im about 70kg - 155lbs , with 500 pound spring and its a little soft i think, maybe it should be like that? When the bike bottoms out, i dont feel it really, but the bike does... With the biggest hits, sometimes those wheels used to change the progression rate are moved by the power of hit ( doesnt matter how hard the bolts are tightened ) It generates a sound like the frame is cracking ( it dont of course ) Thats only one thing i really dont like. Otherwise the bike rules :]
    You say your barrels are moving when the bike bottoms out. Here is a possible solution that worked for me. Take out the barrels and use some sandpaper to make to holes for the seat tower barrels are tiny bit bigger. We are talking very little but because the pinch bolts are pressing on both bolts at the same time you do not get enough pressure on the barrels to which the shock is attached. By making the holes for the seat tower barrels a little bit bigger you can increase the pressure on the lower barrels when you tighten the pinch bolts and thereby your barrels will not move even though your bike is bottoming out.

    I think the sound you get from the frame are the alu barrels moving in the holes while being under pressure of the pinch bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxDamageDA
    Nah, im stupid... youre talking about the Ultra adjuster right? Sorry...

    I dont have it in mine and cant afford one now ;/

    Whats the number of your avy (front) and if you could tell me which spring rate you have and whats the sag for now ( how much pressure in the shock and how much you weight ) ?

    Im about 70kg - 155lbs , with 500 pound spring and its a little soft i think, maybe it should be like that? When the bike bottoms out, i dont feel it really, but the bike does... With the biggest hits, sometimes those wheels used to change the progression rate are moved by the power of hit ( doesnt matter how hard the bolts are tightened ) It generates a sound like the frame is cracking ( it dont of course ) Thats only one thing i really dont like. Otherwise the bike rules :]

    Also - I had problems with cracks developing in the links so I had some made in steel

    MaxDamageDA - could you list your total bike specs.?? COuld be funny to see your setup...that is always interesting with fellow Army riders

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    Well ;p

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    Did you try to modify the holes for the barrels as I told you? I think it would help

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    I didnt have time for that ;/ Im not riding now, sick weather, rainy, cold, sick ;/ Ill check it in spring i think cause now theres no place i could bottom it out so hard. It happened only two times on really big hits.

    I was thinking about is some time ago but i was affraid that those bolts will **** up the thread there and than im stuck cause i think theres no way there to re-thread it with bigger one, as those cnc plates are not thick enough.

    The frame was also repainted, and theres some painting still on those barrels, i was trying to get is as clean as possible, but theres always some mismatch in their circular shape.

    I will do that when i will have some time, and will jump something big to flat, will inform you what happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by seismic
    I think when you mount the res like Brian the cable has to bent quite a lot....I dont like that.

    To MaxdamageDA - you should try to have to low/high speed comp. adjuster on the MTN8...it works awesome ! It is the coppercolored adjuster you can see in the bottom of the MTN8 legs.
    Yes the hose is bent quite a bit but the hose is braided so there is no way to pinch off the oil from entering the reservoir.


    Seismic,
    How come you dont mount your reservoir on the downtube? It works awesome and is out of the way. I mounted my wifes in the same spot on her BH.
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    [QUOTE=kanter]Yes the hose is bent quite a bit but the hose is braided so there is no way to pinch off the oil from entering the reservoir.


    nah, its not that im not worried about bending it, youre forgetting that i have a second rear shock in the way
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    Welcome to the Karpiel Club
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    thanks thrillkill
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