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    Sam Hill on Specialized

    http://www.rvcns.com/news/1-news/98-sam-hill-2009

    I am not sure if this is true unless it is just a leakage of info that was meant to be announced after the season ended

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    Ha haha hahaha....

    That'll confuse at least 62% of Specialized haters.

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    wow.
    IH must be sad.
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    Haha... I heard about this 3 weeks ago.

    Meh.

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    Poor guy.

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    I expect to see all riders aged 14-18 to pick up Demo 8's accordingly.
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    Looks like 98 was the last year that Specialized was big into the DH scene, at least in points standings.

    Shawn Palmer must have started the entire small rear rotor trend.



    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptordude
    I expect to see all riders aged 14-18 to pick up Demo 8's accordingly.
    If he wins, maybe.

    But if anyone who's anyone dominates the DH circuit on ANY bike, you'll find followers.
    Meh.

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    Palmer and Kovarik are my f%ucking heros

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    I would bet Specialized will put him on something besides a Demo. They probably have some super secret carborific DH sled someone where in their R&D shop that he'll be on. Why else would they sign him unless they want to really get into the DH race scene and what better way then a completely new bike model?
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    IM 100% sure Iron Horse dropped Sam because.....IRON HORSE IS PULLING TOTALLY OUT OF THE INDEPENDEANT DEALER MARKET.

    why would you pay an amazing rider money when the kid at dicks sporting goods has never heard of him?

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    Guess Sammy has some big bills to pay...

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    this will give all the fanboys a good scare. Watch all the Sundays go up for sale for the Demo.

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    If this is true, does it mean that it's not OK to hate on Spesh here no more?

    There is something about the writing style in that article that makes me doubt the truthfulness of it all.....time will tell, I guess...

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    sam hill on demo

    Quote Originally Posted by Raptordude
    I expect to see all riders aged 14-18 to pick up Demo 8's accordingly.
    I feel for the rest of the pro riders...its gonna make the fastest dude on earth that much faster...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    Palmer and Kovarik are my f%ucking heros
    And Vorheis, Llanes, Sanchez....that was a pretty cool DH team.

    Look out bandwagon!
    But even a lousy downhill run is better than a day in the office!
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    For Sale: 2007 Medium Iron Horse Sunday.....will trade for a newer Demo of any kind or 5.10's signed by Sam Hill. I can be reached hanging around the Pinkbike offices.

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    HA! I'm cool now! I own a Spesh!

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    As a professional athlete you have to go where the money is. Sam won't be racing for the rest of his life, specialized probably offered a deal that extends outside of his racing career that he couldn't pass up. I don't see one rider making that big of an impact on sales, its more of an icing on the cake for Specialized at this point.

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    This could sell a lot of specialized bikes

    They already sell a ton of XC stuff so as far as percentages go, maybe not so big. But I bet the numbers will be large by themselves. Specialized currently has no reputable DH race rigs so this will get them a long way towards DH market share.

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    Is this really suprising

    considering that DW stated no more DW-Link on Iron Horse after 2008. I was just hoping Sam would wind up on a DHR.
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    From a racer's perspective, how much do they care which brand they are on? I'm assuming virtually any bike company would build a set up to Sam's desires; so he'll basically get what he wants regardless of which manufacturer he chooses to work with. Just curious how truly discerning these guys are when signing a contract. In other words, is Santa Cruz really the best since they have several of the top riders? Doubtful in my opinion.

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    Anyone notice that the article is gone now?
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    There still might be hope to get the old team back together
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    Good point with Santa Cruz... They have gotten to where they are simply because they market their company quite well. If Sam Hill does rock a Specialized in 2009, I"M SURE every grom and their dog will want whatever he's riding... Case and point - Sunday's and Monster Energy.

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    ya man. even more reason to buy a Specialized now. Gaurunteed to make you as fast as Sam Hill!!!!!!
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    Wait; there's a "Giant" window behind Sam in that photo - I think he's moving to Giant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    There still might be hope to get the old team back together
    I bet Sabrina goes with him, eh ?

    RTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogenman
    Linky fail... I call shenanigans.
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    subliminal message?

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    Link doesnt work for me....
    Hi I'm GiantGeoff. I don't really ride a Giant at all anymore. But I am pretty tall.

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    now the link is not working and it was taken off on the site.
    Could mean two things: it is true and spec. did not like or it is false and spec. did not like.

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    Mr intense, are you speculating something?

    I sure would like to see Sam and CHris riding on the same team

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    I heard that Sam is going where ever DW is going.. I think this is 100% rumor, but we may see the DW go to a Demo.. although I'd think thats super unorthodox b/c Spesh humps FSR.

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    Sam's not going with Specialized...

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    Poh, I've heard different.

    I can explain better in person.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Poh, I've heard different.

    I can explain better in person.
    we should ride in person... XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Looks like 98 was the last year that Specialized was big into the DH scene, at least in points standings.

    Shawn Palmer must have started the entire small rear rotor trend.



    would love to have that bike to race
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    hmm...this could get interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptordude
    I expect to see all riders aged 14-18 to pick up Demo 8's accordingly.
    true dat....maybe they will make a lighter race bike
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

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    ahh this kinda pisses me off
    now all the pinkbikers w demo's are gunnu be jizzin there pants
    mehh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    would love to have that bike to race
    Check this out. It's local too, at least to my area.

    https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/784290342.html

    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    true dat....maybe they will make a lighter race bike
    What does a 2008 top end Demo 8 weigh? 39 lbs, is that not light enough?

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    Go ride a bike

    Too much talk and not enough riding.....go ride a bike and get off the internet...unless your at work...then continue until you can go rip.
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    well im no fan of spec so this isont going to chance any thing for me
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    It's all about the green (or is it the red?) peeps.
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    If the original rumor was to be true it could be a "statement of future attemp" testing the market's response. Not necessarily an indication that Sam will be signed by Spec.

    Say, if Spec believes that the response is positive enough and it will translate in to an increase in sales, then they may court Sam in hopes of obtaining his contract.

    Spec is an established brand with dollars to throw around. For those of you that may had watched Le Tour de France you may had noticed that the only brands that had televised commercials were three power houses in the bike industry Specialized, Cannondale, and Cervelo (roadies), not Giant, not GT, much less Intense. That speaks volumes of what a bike brand is planning to accomplish, as they close the current fiscal year and new budgets are being drawn for 2009.

    Additionally, from Sam's standpoint though he may be able to go wherever he wants to go, he will sign with a brand that will pay top dollars for his podium finishes, his feedback, and embassy to the brand. Sam is not the best press friendly guy out there, he knows that, and that takes away from the brand's notariety. IH complained about this to his manager several times.

    However, Sam is the best pound for pound out there and will become The Best overall rider. This means whatever brands he represents will gain alot of publicity, advertisement and ultimately increased sales.

    Finally, Sam's demands may not be matched by Spec, or vice-versa, in which case other brands will wage proposals and he will decide based on several factors: dollars, bonuses, clauses, options to ___, provitions, etc.

    Though there may be other companies that can pay top dollars for Sam, not all may be able to match with him.

    Suspension designs are not part of the equation.

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    Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen.

    With that said, design and application may play a roll in Sam Hill's decision to sign or not to sign with someone..

    I know I am curious, as are many others, to find out exactly if it's Sam awesome skill (there's no denying he has MAJOR skill), or the awesome suspension design that gains him the extra seconds over so many other riders.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen..
    So sayeth the DW zealots.

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    [QUOTE=Prettym1k3]Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen.

    DW, FSR, VPP, all the other designs manufactuers threw out big money to get the best out of all of them and all in their right are excellent. The differences in performance is so small that when you have a rider of Sam's caliber and for that fact any WC pro rider, they are good enough to adjust their style to extroplate the best performance out of any off the real engineered suspension systems on the market today.

    I'm curious if the performance of the fastest riders today would compare to the fastest riders in the past (Rockwell, Nico, Tomac, etc.)

    In the end it is about business (nothing personal) and the personal abilities of the rider. Ricky Carmichael could rip on any of the big motos, not just Honda.
    But even a lousy downhill run is better than a day in the office!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen.

    With that said, design and application may play a roll in Sam Hill's decision to sign or not to sign with someone..

    I know I am curious, as are many others, to find out exactly if it's Sam awesome skill (there's no denying he has MAJOR skill), or the awesome suspension design that gains him the extra seconds over so many other riders.

    Steve Peat amounted to more first place podiums on a single pivot bike e.g. Orange, GT, than a VPP.

    Is it the bike or the rider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozzerr1
    Steve Peat amounted to more first place podiums on a single pivot bike e.g. Orange, GT, than a VPP.

    Is it the bike or the rider?
    Exactly...
    But even a lousy downhill run is better than a day in the office!
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    Suddenly Minnaar is winning again after switching from SP to VPP. Is it the bike or the (surgically repaired) shoulder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen.
    Then I'm not a part of the bike community cause I thought DW Link felt like crap on a DH bike.

    I like DW link in Trail and Freeride applications though, just not DH.
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    [QUOTE=Prettym1k3]Lest we forget though, that throughout the bicycle community, DW's suspension design is arguably the best that bicycling has ever seen.


    Could be, but I've ridding two models with DW and I hated them both. I think Sam can win on ANY platform.

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    I reckon anyone on a V10 could win a world cup. VPP is simply that good.

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    I tend to disagree with the statements many of you have made. I find that FSR linkage, as well as Single-pivots, tend to make me feel like I'm going to be thrown over the bars on a landing. It's like the suspension pre-loads itself for another non-existent jump. But again, that's just me.

    And if Steve Peat was winning more on the Orange than on Santa Cruz bikes, it very well could be the bike, and not the rider. I'm just saying that I doubt a rider gets worse and worse as he continues to travel the world racing. So if the "VPP" was such an upgrade, and his skills are even more refined than they used to be, why the difference.

    No matter. I've seen people destroy me on their single-pivot 5" travel bikes. And I've seen me blow the pants off of a V-10 rider with a Fox40.

    I'd venture to say it could be something like 90% rider, and 10% equipment across a broad range of bicycles and riders.

    But as far as DH, I'd say something more like 99% rider, and 1% machine.
    Meh.

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    Yeah but when a 4 minute downhill can be decided by 1 second, you need the last 1%. I tend to think the bike is worth more than just 1% anyway, maybe 2%, still you won't win at that level without it.

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    Everyone should just go hardtail, that will separate the men from the boys and end the suspension debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    I tend to disagree with the statements many of you have made. I find that FSR linkage, as well as Single-pivots, tend to make me feel like I'm going to be thrown over the bars on a landing. It's like the suspension pre-loads itself for another non-existent jump. But again, that's just me.
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    if the suspension preloaded itself for another jump when you're landing... wouldn't that mean that it would compress and make you feel like you're falling off the back of the bike, not going over the bars?


    I'd say that you were riding on a FSR and a single pivot that wasn't set up properly for you. If you feel like you're going over the bars on a landing it's quite possible that the spring rate was higher (ie- heavier) than you need and/or the rebound was set too fast thus causing the rear end to pop up more on a landing. You were probably also very used to the geometry of the iron horse and not of the FSR or single pivot, riding your bike and then riding your buddies bike will feel very strange regardless of if you're on flat ground, dh, or the landing of a jump. You might favor your 7 point over your SGS, but then again the SGS had a "borrowed" rear suspension design from Spesh that they had to build a frame around whereas Spesh has the time, ability, money, etc etc etc to optimize everything (pivot placement, chainstay length, wheelbase, bb height, frame geometry, etc) on their frames. On top of that, Spesh usually has custom valved shocks on many of their bikes to optimize pivot placement and leverage ratios. Basically, the SGS feels NOTHING like a real FSR should.
    There never will be "the best" suspension design out there simply because many companies come up with their own different philosophies on how a bicycle should be suspended. This is in part because there are a lot of different people out there with a lot of different needs and desires in a bike and a suspension platform. Some people love VPP, some love Maestro and DW, Single pivot, and so on. What works best for you will almost never feel quite right to the next guy.

    And BTW, if you want to ride a single pivot bike that'll make you completely change your mind about how a single pivot rides... find a Balfa bb7. They are big fat pigs and weigh a ton, but point it downhill and I can only guarantee that you'll be impressed at how incredibly fast the bike accelerates (without pedaling mind you, just lean back) and corners and absorbs absolutely everything. Just think about my brosef Chris on his clapped out orange BB7 that used to belong to me. Aside from the weight I still have yet to find ANYTHING that'll match the performance of that bike period (and this is coming from a dyed in the wool Spesh lover). But then again... it's all user preference.

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    the suspension debate is stupid... different riding styles fit better on different suspension designs. A rider could be better on one platform than a different. Some riders are probably indifferent. Minnar looks like he meshes with VPP well. Peat, probably rides a bit better on a single pivot.
    kind of sounds like it with this interview.

    http://www.santacruzmtb.com/video/in...=1&vid=v10tips

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    It will be an great marketing movement by specialized if is true about sam hill.he his a great rider in this moment and spec does not have anyone in latest years on the front ,so ,they do evrything they can to put sales on ...lets see what will happens

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    All suspension designs rule.

    End of debate.

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    blahblahblah suspension blahblahblah. Who gives a crap - good move for specialized if it happens, they'll have great XC, DH, and FR riders, plus great road bikes.

    I think gracias quote on the WC race in andorra while gee was coming down hit pretty dead on "Its totally the rider, were all on the same bikes, the same suspension, its all in the rider"

    Based on who's winning alot right now I'd say its true. Yeti, dw, fsr, vpp, and single pivots are winning alot right now. Thats a pretty damn good spread, and steve smith is killing it on another duel link.

    Also, donno what this is with Hill being "by far the best" etc

    he had a dominant year last year. This year both minnaar and Gee have won as many races as him (hell, Gee won worlds, which counts for more!) and its still anybodies game between the top 4 guys. Minnaar was even ahead of him after MSA, and now its damn close between them (although I think Sam is up a couple points)

    they're racers. the bikes are race bikes. The fact that Hill is on IH doesn't mean dw link is suddenly way better, and the second he stops riding it that it will be worse. Its all image - look at kona. The stab is a damn good race bike, barel has won champs on it, ands a well proven design. But people look at Kona as "huck bikes" because of bourdon and watson and the kona clump team.

    So good move for specialized, its all about image and this will be a help

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    he had a dominant year last year. This year both minnaar and Gee have won as many races as him (hell, Gee won worlds, which counts for more!)
    In fairness to Sam though - he would have won it if he didnt fall near the end.

    All credit to Gee - hes an awesome rider... But sam would have had it if not for the slip.


    And - DW might not suddenly be worse - but if I hear correctly, IH will be....

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    I'm, no Sam Hill fanboy, but I wouldn't put my money on any other rider on any given day. Sam Hill is the dominant rider.

    As for Specialized or whoever hiring him, does anyone think that Iron Horse pays his salary? I've got to think that's primarily Monster's money he's playing with. He can probably take the Monster sponsorship money with him to any team he wants and ride any bike he wants.

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    trek didn't build that new bike for nothing. first they had lance, now its the sam hill era in waterloo
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    i would see him on the new giant glory....the new prototype looks amazing....light too!looks like a dw strangly


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    Quote Originally Posted by EnglishT
    In fairness to Sam though - he would have won it if he didnt fall near the end.

    All credit to Gee - hes an awesome rider... But sam would have had it if not for the slip.


    And - DW might not suddenly be worse - but if I hear correctly, IH will be....
    In all fairness it is racing, the perosn who crosses the finish line in the shortest time wins. That's it. There is no shoulda, woulda, coulda. Sam couldn't hold his line and he lost. Go Gee. That whole fmaily is amazing.

    That being said, if I had to put my money down, it would be on Sam Hill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    If this is true, does it mean that it's not OK to hate on Spesh here no more?

    There is something about the writing style in that article that makes me doubt the truthfulness of it all.....time will tell, I guess...
    nah it just means we can still hate spec. and hate sam for being a traitor too .
    wats with all these people selling out, imean, romanuik with mongoose?? mongoose sucks! they get all there money from overpriced kids bikes at toys r us
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoboe
    nah it just means we can still hate spec. and hate sam for being a traitor too .
    wats with all these people selling out, imean, romanuik with mongoose?? mongoose sucks! they get all there money from overpriced kids bikes at toys r us
    Selling out? This isn't the Punk scene... pro's go where the money is...

    FWIW, on the Ridemonkey board, the "Sam on Spec" thread has been locked due to an outside influence until further issues have been worked out regarding the content of the thread.... curious.
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    selling out?

    If I was Sam Hill I would be going where the checks are the biggest, he is not going to be able to do this forever and a bunch of zeros at the end of the bank balance would be nice.
    As for a good bike, there will always be a good biek out there for him and worse case scenerio he will ride another brand with different stickers.

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    Looks a lot like the new Trek Session 88 to me.

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    A: the Palm ruled.

    B: Sam Hill would win on a Wal-Mart Huffy (if it could stay in one piece for the run).

    C: I don't hate Specialized, but I don't love them either.

    D: IH, seeeeeee ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    I think gracias quote on the WC race in andorra while gee was coming down hit pretty dead on "Its totally the rider, were all on the same bikes, the same suspension, its all in the rider"
    I think that comment is spot on the mark, I know its OT but Valentino Rossi moved from Honda to Yamaha to shut up the doubters who thought he was only winning because of the bike he was on. He proved them wrong time and again.

    Sam, Pete, Gee and Greg would all be in with a chance no matter what bike or rear suspension they were riding. Its talent, you could put me on the best race bike in the world and I wouldnt rate in the top 1000

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan_daugherty
    I heard that Sam is going where ever DW is going.. I think this is 100% rumor, but we may see the DW go to a Demo.. although I'd think thats super unorthodox b/c Spesh humps FSR.
    Guess he'll be riding a Turner in 09 then

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...hlight=dw+link

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    Yes, Palm did rule indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmx
    i would see him on the new giant glory....the new prototype looks amazing....light too!looks like a dw strangly



    i cant believe giant is getting away with that bullcrap!
    at first they were borderline copping the dw link
    now they ARE copping the dw link

    im no sam hill/IH/DW follower but its crossed the line they're blatantly copying their designs now. im surprised dave doesn't sue the pants off of giant for that

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    No one knows where Sam is going, it's all speculation. His contract with Iron Horse does end in October however! It's just a case of wait and see . . . . .

    I'm not a fan of Specialized - don't like the look or design and Giant always offers better value for money these days. I do like the look of the new Trek though. So yeah I'd hope he went with Trek purely because it's a bike that I would buy, but if he went with the big S and I was buying a DH bike it would probably still be the likes of Giant/ Norco / Kona or Trek.

    Can't wait to see where he goes and people flocking to it like a bunch of flies. I think it's great that riders can be that influential on a brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducktape
    So yeah I'd hope he went with Trek purely because it's a bike that I would buy, but if he went with the big S and I was buying a DH bike it would probably still be the likes of Giant/ Norco / Kona or Trek.

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    you'd buy a Norco or Kona over a Specialized ? I'll have some of what your smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydub69
    you'd buy a Norco or Kona over a Specialized ? I'll have some of what your smoking.

    So would I. Norco's are equally ugly as specialized so no prob there. Same with kona but they generally spec good parts.

    What I hate about spec. is that they use all this rebranded crap. There whole bike line was formed on the theory of specializing or some crap I read in a magazine. If this is true wouldn't they spec components from specialist companies. Thomson post and stem, a real shock manufacture. Mavic wheels... But they're cheap and only care about making money.

    Now on sam hill. Good for him if he wants more money and he can get it from specialized. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, as arguably the best rider in the world I think it he deserves to go with with the best possible pay check.

    Where It bothers me is now the ignorant masses will suddenly need that new incredible specialized when really they offer nothing (if not less) then almost all the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydub69
    you'd buy a Norco or Kona over a Specialized ? I'll have some of what your smoking.
    I don't smoke You fancy some Aussie beer hey? But really no I hadn't been drinking either

    Just saying I would probably consider other brands such as Kona and Norco before Specialized. There are a lot of factors that would have to be considered aside from looks, so who knows one could end up with a bike they least expect purely because it "feels" better than the others.

    True too, looks are a big part of buying a bike, and I don't particularly like the complicated look or the designs where the rear shock is pretty much a mud guard. And in that case it's true, Spec and Norco may as well be thrown in the same basket.




    I like cleaner looking designs.
    This is more like it...






    But in saying all that it would be silly to purchase on looks alone, it's merely a starting point in what models you compare first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frisky_zissou
    So would I. Norco's are equally ugly as specialized so no prob there. Same with kona but they generally spec good parts.

    What I hate about spec. is that they use all this rebranded crap. There whole bike line was formed on the theory of specializing or some crap I read in a magazine. If this is true wouldn't they spec components from specialist companies. Thomson post and stem, a real shock manufacture. Mavic wheels... But they're cheap and only care about making money.

    Now on sam hill. Good for him if he wants more money and he can get it from specialized. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, as arguably the best rider in the world I think it he deserves to go with with the best possible pay check.

    Where It bothers me is now the ignorant masses will suddenly need that new incredible specialized when really they offer nothing (if not less) then almost all the competition.

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    Did you ever look at the Demo's component list before you wrote that....Lol how is Fox not a real shock manufacture. So many people are bashing specialized, how many of you have actually ridden there Demo 8 II? It is a really nice riding/racing bike. Yeah they make some of there own stuff...I wish they did use other hubs but other than that. But my Cdale Judge is still way better haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Did you ever look at the Demo's component list before you wrote that....Lol how is Fox not a real shock manufacture. So many people are bashing specialized, how many of you have actually ridden there Demo 8 II? It is a really nice riding/racing bike. Yeah they make some of there own stuff...I wish they did use other hubs but other than that. But my Cdale Judge is still way better haha.
    I was thinking the same thing. My Enduro came with Mavic wheels, all XTR and Thomson stem and post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    I tend to disagree with the statements many of you have made. I find that FSR linkage, as well as Single-pivots, tend to make me feel like I'm going to be thrown over the bars on a landing. It's like the suspension pre-loads itself for another non-existent jump. But again, that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Vert
    Exactly...
    To be fair Steve Peat won because he was better than the rest back then, now theres too many guys riping it up...Gee, Hill, Minaar back on form...

    Steve Peat would have won back then on any bike, and wont be any faster now on a different bike.

    Like everyone said its the rider not bike, aslong as the bike is half decent..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Did you ever look at the Demo's component list before you wrote that....Lol how is Fox not a real shock manufacture. So many people are bashing specialized, how many of you have actually ridden there Demo 8 II? It is a really nice riding/racing bike. Yeah they make some of there own stuff...I wish they did use other hubs but other than that. But my Cdale Judge is still way better haha.
    Okay maybe I was being a bit narrow minded

    Yes I was writing based on past test rides. All the specialized I have ever ridden were equiped with spec. shocks (crap) spec. wheels and hubs (flexy, weak) and so on. I shouldnt really be commenting as I have never laid my ass on a demo. I understand your view.

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    the fact that i live in morgan hill (spec headquarters) is mainly why i hate on specialized. I know the family and what a holes they are, along with many of the people that work there.

    but at least sam might come around town haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideactionsport
    the fact that i live in morgan hill (spec headquarters) is mainly why i hate on specialized. I know the family and what a holes they are, along with many of the people that work there.

    but at least sam might come around town haha
    How are they a holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz
    Looks a lot like the new Trek Session 88 to me.
    i'd say that's were the money is...

    http://www.dirtmag.co.uk/news/catego...t-1231795.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Orange Prophet
    i'd say that's were the money is...

    http://www.dirtmag.co.uk/news/catego...t-1231795.html

    Yup.

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    Yaaay!

    I hope he goes Trek rather than Specialized
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    sam hill will wont go to specialized there to **** i reckon he will stay with ih but if he does go to anotha bike he should go kona

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    Quote Originally Posted by jf951
    i cant believe giant is getting away with that bullcrap!
    at first they were borderline copping the dw link
    now they ARE copping the dw link
    The Maestro suspension doesn't look like it has changed (which is where they "copied" DW) it just looks like they got rid of the Glory hole and added some trendy curved tubing.

    I'd totally ride one.
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    Specialized sucks, at least that's what they're saying over in Ibex-ville. He should try to get on Ibex, they're badass.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=441853

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibex-dad
    Specialized sucks, at least that's what they're saying over in Ibex-ville. He should try to get on Ibex, they're badass.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=441853
    Might want to take it up with the guys at Passion as well

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=435290

    And yea, Sam will keep winning no matter what bike he rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibex-dad
    Specialized sucks, at least that's what they're saying over in Ibex-ville. He should try to get on Ibex, they're badass.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=441853
    If I was pretty much a beginner at gravity riding (obvious from that video) I would refrain myself from making harsh comments about other manufacturer's bikes just to earn brownie points with the guys in my current brand of choice fanclub.

    Those guys both looked MORE stable and at ease riding their "downgraded" Specialized and Giants (the landings on the Ibex's looked WAY more scetch, with the exception of the crash....which, BTW, cannot be blamed on the bike no matter how hard you try...). But feel free to continue the slammin'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    Might want to take it up with the guys at Passion as well

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=435290

    And yea, Sam will keep winning no matter what bike he rides...

    Holy sh1t

    Guys lambasting spec for not innovating and then cursing their in house suspension in the same sentence.

    Specialized groupies regurgitating the 'vertical axle path' and neutral suspension BS from specialized.

    Guys griping about spec ripping off others designs and then shouting trek and giant (a la split pivot dw link ripoffs) in the same post



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