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    Saintly package...

    It's here and it's rather nice....

    (please excuse the slightly shoddy pics)

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    Now to go and fit it...

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    do you still need saint hubs for the new saint mechs?

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    "Do you still need saint hubs for the new saint mechs?"

    No, standard drop-out fitting for the Shadow version.

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    i like the gold touches... mmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    i like the gold touches... mmmmmm
    as much as i agree i think they should have gone with a different color (not red either) after the new X.0's used gold

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    I think blue would have looked way better then gold.. Or orange or green..
    Slow is cool too, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpionsf
    as much as i agree i think they should have gone with a different color (not red either) after the new X.0's used gold
    Yeah, purple!

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    cranks are available on chain reaction cycles release date is 01/09/2008 but there probally out else where

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy
    Yeah, purple!

    OP, are the cranks available to you yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by demo 7 owner
    cranks are available on chain reaction cycles release date is 01/09/2008 but there probally out else where
    I called them and they say they don't have them yet....sheesh 7 months behind schedule according to ur calculations
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    yeah its a bummer i wanted them for my birthday

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
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    O.K... magenta?

    So they copyed SRAM with the gold... It still looks sick. After gold, red or green.
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    New question here. Date

    Originally Posted by demo 7 owner
    cranks are available on chain reaction cycles release date is 01/09/2008 but there probally out else where


    Not until 2009?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy
    O.K... magenta?

    So they copyed SRAM with the gold... It still looks sick. After gold, red or green.
    just teasing.....my ex loved purple....lots of girls love purple.....I like black and red
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    I called them and they say they don't have them yet....sheesh 7 months behind schedule according to ur calculations

    I gotta ask: Are you joking or are you really that retarded?

    You know some people put the day first then the month. He meant Sep 1 which sounds about right.

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    hmm no i think thats the right date for the release in the uk all the new shimano saint stuff is out correct if im wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK

    Does that mean what I think it does?
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    "Does that mean what I think it does?"

    Depends what you think it means...

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    European Date

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperKat
    Originally Posted by demo 7 owner
    cranks are available on chain reaction cycles release date is 01/09/2008 but there probally out else where


    Not until 2009?
    Euro format
    September 1st, 2008.
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    Sorry

    Just wondering if it was a mistake. I'm in the US and we put it the other way around, you know?
    Thanks for sorting it out and keep on delivering those positive vibes to the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde
    I gotta ask: Are you joking or are you really that retarded?

    You know some people put the day first then the month. He meant Sep 1 which sounds about right.
    retardo as in dicky retardo

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    Man, that thing looks too nice to hang off a mtn bike

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    "Man, that thing looks too nice to hang off a mtn bike"

    Nah...

    Saint.jpg

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    The build quality appears very good. There's a tiny amount of play in the hanger-mount bolt, but this doesn't appear to affect the function. All other joints are firm without feeling rigid, so it should be able to withstand a few good clouts.

    I've only rode back from work on it so far, but I made sure that I put plenty of gear changes in. I use a 12-27 Ultegra cassette on the Big Hit so the Saint was fitted in 'DH mode'. There's a little adaptor - the black piece fitted with two small bolts to the gold mount shown in the 3rd OP picture - which needs to be left in place for "AM mode" (a 32/34T cassette). Shifting is from an XTR M970 shifter, the chain is an XTR 770 with a couple of hundred miles on it.

    I've been using an XT Shadow for the last few months, so my comparison is to that rather than the not uncommon switch from a tired old derailleur. The Saint is very, very slick, perfectly matched to the close-ratio cassette and tracks across from top to bottom without fuss. Pulling it through its range before I fitted it, the springs are extremely firm, but the XTR shifter balances this out somewhat as it has such a light action. I get the impression that the Saint may feel like quite hard work on the bushing-based shifters (Deore/SLX), so an XT, Saint or XTR with their ball-bearing supported shift mechanism may be a better choice. As I said, the derailleur tracks the cassette so well that up-shifts aren't at all harsh, as perhaps they could have been given the weight of the main spring.

    I'm pleased that Shimano have managed to maintain the smooth feel of the derailleur. Many of the comparisons of traditional Shimano with SRAM mechs were that the SRAM was more positive or defined in the shift, but I'll be honest and say that I don't to hear or feel a big fuss when changing gears; I just want a different gear. Even though the springs are clearly a much higher rate in the new Shadow design, and most notably in the Saint, shifting can still be tuned to be slick and virtually silent. Hats off to Mr. Shimano and his team.

    The fantastic Innerleithen awaits at the weekend, rocks, roots and all, and it threatens to be a sodden, muddy couple of days, too. Maybe this thing is too nice to hang off a mountain bike? All being well, I'll impart my opinion again on Monday...

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    Wow, all I can say is Shimano is making a pretty good case for getting me to switch back. I've been a SRAM man for several years now.

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    Be sure to let us know how many derailleur hangers you go through, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperKat
    Just wondering if it was a mistake. I'm in the US and we put it the other way around, you know?
    Thanks for sorting it out and keep on delivering those positive vibes to the forums.
    Sorry, didn't mean to be neither positive or negative. Just pointing it out for you.
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    Hi, i'm using a dura ace rear d and i can't help but think everytime i brush against rocks or take a tumble, i'm going to be missing a part when i pick the bike up. I like the dura ace cos the shifting is really good and quick. Would you know how this new saint compares to the dura ace with regards to the performance?? Cos i could always keep it as a spare and use the saint - just cos it looks so bling!

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    "Would you know how this new saint compares to the dura ace with regards to the performance?? "

    If you're using a close-ratio cassette then the Saint and DuraAce are going to track the cassette in pretty much the same way. The springs are, I would assume, much heavier/stronger in the Saint than in the DA, which, combined with the Shadow design (one less pivot), should almost certainly mean less chainslap. The close proximity to the Horst link was one of my reasons for ditching my short-cage Ultegra derailleur in favour of the XT Shadow. The new Saint combines the best of both designs. Obvious design differences aside, the Saint's skid plate - the silver section beneath the main 'X' - should also help to make it much more robust than the DA.

    Time will tell how robust this new design is, but I'm entirely impressed with shifting performance so far.

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