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    Presidential Electoral Votes...

    For those who are lazy and don't really care I'm going to post the Electoral Votes of the election as they are updated.

    Electoral Votes

    Kerry-252
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    For those who are lazy and don't really care I'm going to post the Electoral Votes of the election as they are updated.

    Electoral Votes

    Kerry-77
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    -TS
    8:36 pm update

    Bush-94
    kerry-77

    still early tho
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    I hope Bush wins cuz then i have a good excuse to move to Canada.
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    Its OK b/c only the dumb states results are in.

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    It's mostly just projecting at this point though and they havent even projected California which will boost Kerry another 55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KONA_in_SB
    Its OK b/c only the dumb states results are in.
    Hahahahah, very, very true. People with low IQ's who can relate to the leader.

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    though-i-really-dont-wanna-have-him-as-a-president-any-longer,i-would-like-to-see-him-clean-up-his-own-mistakes-for-once

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
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    eek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I hope Bush wins cuz then i have a good excuse to move to Canada.
    yeah that's what i was telling my mom, but she said no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I'm getting a bit nervous here....lol... If I was actually 18 right now, I'd be looking into apartments in B.C. as we speak.
    yeah, i'm moving to nelson when i turn 18 to be a proffesional bike bum...

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    well..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    For those who are lazy and don't really care I'm going to post the Electoral Votes of the election as they are updated.

    Electoral Votes

    Kerry-112
    Bush-155



    -TS

    looks like im the only one rooting for bush. F*CK KERRY!!
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    Anyone know of any good Chemistry/Engineering schools in B.C?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    yeah, i'm moving to nelson when i turn 18 to be a proffesional bike bum...
    Or I ought to look into schools over in France so I could become a bike/ski bum over there and ride/board Les Gets and all those cool places in the Alps all the time, and would be socially accepted as a leftwingest.
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    Or France. *zips up flame suit*
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandonVega
    looks like im the only one rooting for bush. F*CK KERRY!!
    no, i hear ya

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    viva la bush!!!!! lol how do all you guys not like The Bush?? oh well here in Va we hunt from out ladder bridges!! ill get picks soon,
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    I'm going to go blow off some steam. This sucks. Viva la Canada.

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    woah woah calm down there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    I'm going to go blow off some steam. This sucks. Viva la Canada.

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    yeah it sucks.
    last i've seen was
    Bush-177
    Kerry-112

    viva la canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KomodoRider
    viva la bush!!!!! lol how do all you guys not like The Bush?
    maybe because he got us into a war that never should have happened...

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    dis ain't no political forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    dis ain't no political forum
    Yea, but this is quite possibly the most important night of the decade.

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    Matt = Dumb

    Hey Matt,

    You sure do write stupid things. If you had any credible sources, you might have your own opinion, not one that Fahrenheit 9/11 gave you. Keep you rhetoric to yourself. And remember, REAL MEN LOVE BUSH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    maybe because he got us into a war that never should have happened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Hey Matt,

    You sure do write stupid things. If you had any credible sources, you might have your own opinion, not one that Fahrenheit 9/11 gave you. Keep you rhetoric to yourself. And remember, REAL MEN LOVE BUSH!

    Sam
    actually i have never seen fahrenheit 9/11 although i would like to.
    i guess i'm just not a "real man"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea, but this is quite possibly the most important night of the decade.

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    Real man love bush sounds good to me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Hey Matt,

    You sure do write stupid things. If you had any credible sources, you might have your own opinion, not one that Fahrenheit 9/11 gave you. Keep you rhetoric to yourself. And remember, REAL MEN LOVE BUSH!

    Sam
    That was a blatantly vague comment if I ever heard one. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and there are quite a lot of reasons nto to support Bush. IMO.
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    Well,

    I guess you don't like "BUSH", like most guys. Suit yourself.


    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    actually i have never seen fahrenheit 9/11 although i would like to.
    i guess i'm just not a "real man"

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Well,

    I guess you don't like "BUSH", like most guys. Suit yourself.
    I mean Presidents IQ should atleast be out of the single digits and they should also be able to link COMPLETE sentences together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Well,

    I guess you don't like "BUSH", like most guys. Suit yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    I mean Presidents IQ should atleast be out of the single digits and they should also be able to link COMPLETE sentences together.

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    or be able to wave...

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    REAL MEN VOTE FOR WHOEVER THEY WANT! And "loving President Bush" and "loving bush" dont go together. And the current polls dont show much because there are still many states left. It's showing 112 Kerry to 172 Bush but add in California and its 167 Kerry and 172 Bush. Even if Bush wins Florida, Ohio and a few minor states or just a bunch of minor states could still make Kerry win. Go Kerry!

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    Latest update from Yahoo

    as of 7:11 p.m. PST

    Bush-184

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigair101
    REAL MEN VOTE FOR WHOEVER THEY WANT! And "loving President Bush" and "loving bush" dont go together. And the current polls dont show much because there are still many states left. It's showing 112 Kerry to 172 Bush but add in California and its 167 Kerry and 172 Bush. Even if Bush wins Florida, Ohio and a few minor states or just a bunch of minor states could still make Kerry win. Go Kerry!
    Bush is nasty in most situations out there.
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    [QUOTE=Bigair101]REAL MEN VOTE FOR WHOEVER THEY WANT!

    Real men just go out and vote. Voting allows you to complain, because if you don't vote then your voice is never heard and therefore you should keep your mouth closed. If you voted, then complain as much as you want

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    I may go puke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LandonVega
    looks like im the only one rooting for bush. F*CK KERRY!!
    LV, You must also have a J.O.B., live in the real world and pay your own bills.

    I can live with Kerry but really hope Bush pulls it off.

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    Wow,

    There are a lot of liberals in here. Apparently, you don't make much money or don't really care how much you are going to pay in taxes if Kerry gets elected, not that he will. Also we need a president that sticks to what he says not flip flops every other week. Oh, did I mention that Kerry voted to go to war on the same information that Bush used. Kerry es no muy buen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Wow,

    There are a lot of liberals in here. Apparently, you don't make much money or don't really care how much you are going to pay in taxes if Kerry gets elected, not that he will. Also we need a president that sticks to what he says not flip flops every other week. Oh, did I mention that Kerry voted to go to war on the same information that Bush used. Kerry es no muy buen!!
    buen isn't a word...
    maybe you meant bien or bueno. just messing with you

    i don't think being a democrat means that you don't make much money...
    kerry's wife is voting democrat and look at her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Wow,

    There are a lot of liberals in here. Apparently, you don't make much money or don't really care how much you are going to pay in taxes if Kerry gets elected, not that he will. Also we need a president that sticks to what he says not flip flops every other week. Oh, did I mention that Kerry voted to go to war on the same information that Bush used. Kerry es no muy buen!!
    Maybe its cuz we care about the deficeit and keeping our economy from going downhill again and actually want social security when we retire as well as moderately affordable health care and the ability to buy those prescriptions up in Canada. Kerry doesnt necessarily flip flop, he does tend to change his views on things but you have to figure that as time goes on, the issues change, and the way we look at the issues has to change too. So in that matter it seems better to have a president that is open to new ideas instead of one that is a hardass wanting to stay in the past.


    Plus, havent you seen the Michael J. Fox commercial? Think of all the people stemcells could help?


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    No intelligent person would vote for kerry. Hum... no that is worded wrong, i personally would not vote for someone who voted to raise taxes 394 times. Also someone who has the worst voting reccord in the senate. Personally also against gays. Yes i know bush is not the smartest president he also sucks at public speaking. Basically he has a really good cabinet. GO BUSH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    buen isn't a word...
    maybe you meant bien or bueno. just messing with you

    i don't think being a democrat means that you don't make much money...
    kerry's wife is voting democrat and look at her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Maybe its cuz we care about the deficeit and keeping our economy from going downhill again and actually want social security when we retire as well as moderately affordable health care and the ability to buy those prescriptions up in Canada. Kerry doesnt necessarily flip flop, he does tend to change his views on things but you have to figure that as time goes on, the issues change, and the way we look at the issues has to change too. So in that matter it seems better to have a president that is open to new ideas instead of one that is a hardass wanting to stay in the past.


    Plus, havent you seen the Michael J. Fox commercial? Think of all the people stemcells could help?


    Wow, I'm gona get banned for this not being in Poli-Reli-Eco Forum.
    yeah. didn't you ever study the hero's journey in school? if you did you would know that as the hero goes through his journey he/she gains information and changes his or her outlook/understanding on or about life. i guess bush not changing makes him the opposite of a hero, a Zero

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    there are good and bad to this everyone voting. well ok, just bad. all these uninformed bandwagon liberals (not all leftys, but a big %) are just voting this time b/c all the hype!! and in truth they have no idea who or what they are voting for!

    Vote or Die! the most gayest thing that has happend to this country sence.... gay people

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Wow,

    There are a lot of liberals in here. Apparently, you don't make much money or don't really care how much you are going to pay in taxes if Kerry gets elected, not that he will. Also we need a president that sticks to what he says not flip flops every other week. Oh, did I mention that Kerry voted to go to war on the same information that Bush used. Kerry es no muy buen!!
    Don't make a lot of money? Is that because when Bush is President, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    He must've meant bueno since bien is french.
    bien is also a spanish word though.

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    BWAHAHAHAHHAA. So true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    i personally would not vote for someone who voted to raise taxes 394 times. Also someone who has the worst voting reccord in the senate. Personally also against gays. Yes i know bush is not the smartest president he also sucks at public speaking.
    yeah bush lies when he says that 394 times thing...
    you guys do realize that is true in a sense, but you vote more than once on a bill.
    congrats on having your opinion that's better then what a lot of people have.
    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Wow,

    There are a lot of liberals in here. Apparently, you don't make much money or don't really care how much you are going to pay in taxes if Kerry gets elected, not that he will. Also we need a president that sticks to what he says not flip flops every other week. Oh, did I mention that Kerry voted to go to war on the same information that Bush used. Kerry es no muy buen!!

    Maybe some people make a LOT of money and feel that they should give some of it back. I know some people who basically voted to increase their own taxes. Doing the right thing even though it hurts, or might mean not buying that ipod or some stupid clothes? THAT'S BEING A REAL MAN.

    Personally I think both candidates are monumental failures, one is just a failure waiting to happen.

    As to whomever said that bush has a good cabinet, WOW... His cab is the problem. He and cheney aren't so bad. Bush is well meaning (IMHO) but has gotten very poor advice. Cheney is all business, and this rubs people wrong, but I can respect it as he's highly effective. The rest? Hmm, anyone love condi's testmonial in front of the 9/11 comission as much as I did? There was also that whole abu graib prison cover up thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
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    That is horrible logic that was used for mythology and japanese, ect stories real heros dont exist in USA anymore too much corruption in the government no matter who is elected there not gona get everything done. Kerry Propossed like twice as much as bush did, and he thinks that he is going to accomplish all of it via raising taxes even though at the beginning of his campaign he stated he would not raise taxes now he is basing everything on it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    That is horrible logic that was used for mythology and japanese, ect stories real heros dont exist in USA anymore too much corruption in the government no matter who is elected there not gona get everything done. Kerry Propossed like twice as much as bush did, and he thinks that he is going to accomplish all of it via raising taxes even though at the beginning of his campaign he stated he would not raise taxes now he is basing everything on it....
    Real heros haven't existed in atleast the past 20-30 years, now its all material people such as basketball players and such, unlike around world war II where people actually had real heros and stuff. Get with the program!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archdukeferdinand
    Maybe some people make a LOT of money and feel that they should give some of it back. I know some people who basically voted to increase their own taxes. Doing the right thing even though it hurts, or might mean not buying that ipod or some stupid clothes? THAT'S BEING A REAL MAN.

    Personally I think both candidates are monumental failures, one is just a failure waiting to happen.

    As to whomever said that bush has a good cabinet, WOW... His cab is the problem. He and cheney aren't so bad. Bush is well meaning (IMHO) but has gotten very poor advice. Cheney is all business, and this rubs people wrong, but I can respect it as he's highly effective. The rest? Hmm, anyone love condi's testmonial in front of the 9/11 comission as much as I did? There was also that whole abu graib prison cover up thing...
    I agree, Bush is well meaning he just doesnt quite go about it the right way due to the rest of washington and also some of his ego i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    That is horrible logic that was used for mythology and japanese, ect stories real heros dont exist in USA anymore too much corruption in the government no matter who is elected there not gona get everything done. Kerry Propossed like twice as much as bush did, and he thinks that he is going to accomplish all of it via raising taxes even though at the beginning of his campaign he stated he would not raise taxes now he is basing everything on it....
    yeah, but wouldnt' it be nice if we could all have a hero in that big, white house?

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    It does not really matter what we say on this forum its not going to change anyones votes...... VOTE BUSH

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I agree, Bush is well meaning he just doesnt quite go about it the right way due to the rest of washington and also some of his ego i think.
    yeah i guess bush is well meaning, but i do think that it's cheney running the show...

    i mean how could somebody as dumb as bush even write his name? he can't wave properly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    It does not really matter what we say on this forum its not going to change anyones votes...... VOTE BUSH
    Well if theyre on this forum it wouldn't matter seeing as how unless you're in Hawaii or Alaska the polls are closed anyways.
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    Its pathetic when some sports players make over $10million a year... cough "yankees"
    such a waste. Too much greed in the world.

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    Its pathetic when some sports players make over $10million a year... cough "yankees"
    such a waste. Too much greed in the world.
    yeah that is a waste.. cough *alex rodriguez* cough

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    yeah i guess bush is well meaning, but i do think that it's cheney running the show...

    i mean how could somebody as dumb as bush even write his name? he can't wave properly...
    Matt, Sherpa, I found the college Im going to go to.

    http://www.univ-angers.fr/default.asp?ID=1&langue=1

    Or something to the like. It even has an engineering department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Matt, Sherpa, I found the college Im going to go to.

    http://www.univ-angers.fr/default.asp?ID=1&langue=1

    Or something to the like. It even has an engineering department.
    cool, i suspect you are fluent in french?

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    People think bush messed up our economy in actuallity he has been cleaning up from the previous democratic presidents. If you take a look at smaller scales like cities and check out the ones who have been controlled by democrats for a good ammount of time, they are hurting because the economy can not survive on democratic rule. I.E. Pittsburgh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    People think bush messed up our economy in actuallity he has been cleaning up from the previous democratic presidents. If you take a look at smaller scales like cities and check out the ones who have been controlled by democrats for a good ammount of time, they are hurting because the economy can not survive on democratic rule. I.E. Pittsburgh.
    but this war is making our debt huge.

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    hey, if you guys survived the Reagan years, whats another 4 with puppethead?
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    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    Bush = more trails

    If you vote for Bush he will open up more trails. I hope he invades France next!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    cool, i suspect you are fluent in french?
    Mostly... been in french since 4th grade and I'm a sophmore now in French3, to top that off I'm in some program thats like honors but different, its called the International Bacalaureate program, quite interesting really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    hey, if you guys survived the Reagan years, whats another 4 with puppethead?
    i wasn't around then, but my parents were...

    as of 7:52 PST

    Bush-195
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    Again not sure of the accuracy as i am getting it from yahoo...

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    war does that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    i wasn't around then, but my parents were...

    as of 7:52 PST

    Bush-195
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    Again not sure of the accuracy as i am getting it from yahoo...
    CNN has very similar numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Mostly... been in french since 4th grade and I'm a sophmore now in French3, to top that off I'm in some program thats like honors but different, its called the International Bacalaureate program, quite interesting really.
    that's cool, i'm in spanish 2 (i live in california) and i'm a freshman...
    never heard of that program though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Maybe its cuz we care about the deficeit and keeping our economy from going downhill again and actually want social security when we retire as well as moderately affordable health care and the ability to buy those prescriptions up in Canada. Kerry doesnt necessarily flip flop, he does tend to change his views on things but you have to figure that as time goes on, the issues change, and the way we look at the issues has to change too. So in that matter it seems better to have a president that is open to new ideas instead of one that is a hardass wanting to stay in the past.


    Plus, havent you seen the Michael J. Fox commercial? Think of all the people stemcells could help?


    Wow, I'm gona get banned for this not being in Poli-Reli-Eco Forum.
    Wow tony, i have to pick your post apart.

    Most economics experts will tell you that a president has very little to do with the economy. The economy is a cycle
    Bush also supports buying prescription drugs from canada, he even said so in his last debate.
    Also, Bush was the first president to use government funding for stem cell research. But he does not support the use of tax dollars for embryonic stem-cell research. I, along with president Bush believe that we should not be taxed for something that we feel is immoral. I think private companies should be able to do whatever they want with embryonic stem cells, as long as they are funded privately, and not by the government.
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    Bush 195
    Kerry 133

    Kerry just won PA.... I think im gona move im very disappointed in my state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    war does that....
    yeah... unfortunately.

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    However you want to put it. But I think it goes more like this, The rich get richer and the poor get lazier and complain more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigair101
    Don't make a lot of money? Is that because when Bush is President, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Bush 195
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    Kerry just won PA.... I think im gona move im very disappointed in my state
    Get ready, in a little bit we'll be seeing results streaming in from the left coast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan

    Most economics experts will tell you that a president has very little to do with the economy. .
    please write a thousand word essay on Reaganomics...

    i love it everytime someone explains it too me...gives me goosebumps....
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Get ready, in a little bit we'll be seeing results streaming in from the left coast!
    yes, the left coast is very left, so kerry will catch up soon
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    Ok, on that thing about if you vote for Kerry your uninformed or stupid or ignortant or whatever statement was made. 75%-80% of University Professorts are liberal Democrats, hmm informed people vote Democrat.

    Cali is ours, all we need now is Wisc. Rep., you can have Ohio and FL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    please write a thousand word essay on Reaganomics...

    i love it everytime someone explains it too me...gives me goosebumps....
    I missed that generation, so Spencer please post it publically so all can see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    hey, if you guys survived the Reagan years, whats another 4 with puppethead?

    Stuff like this http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...aq.explosives/ . I mean, wouldn't it be ironic if this war somehow INCREASED terrorism? I mean, who could have seen that one coming??? Certainly not the REST OF THE WORLD.

    Also, Jett-

    I guess I was under the impression that this administration inherited a budget surplus. Instead of fixing the roof while it wasn't raining, they opted for tax cuts that amounted to roughly $300 per middle class household, not much in the scheme of things, enough to buy some baubles, a new TV or some other crap.

    Personally I can't affiliate with either party as both make me sick, but sweet jesus...

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    Only states that are left and matter are CA, FL, OH, MI

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    that's cool, i'm in spanish 2 (i live in california) and i'm a freshman...
    never heard of that program though...
    http://www.ibo.org/
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    Bush is ahead in Ohio and Florida right now. I can't wait for the next 4 years. I was told on this post that the rich get richer, is it really true. Will I really get richer if Bush is in office. I want Bush forever. If he is in office forever I will be the richest man alive, someday. I can't wait!!! Go BUSH!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Ok, on that thing about if you vote for Kerry your uninformed or stupid or ignortant or whatever statement was made. 75%-80% of University Professorts are liberal Democrats, hmm informed people vote Democrat.

    Cali is ours, all we need now is Wisc. Rep., you can have Ohio and FL.

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    Hahaha, thats hilarious! Professors are more likely to be liberals, therefore more informed people vote democrat? How about professors' salaries are paid by the government, therefore they want a larger government... and a democrat for a president
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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    However you want to put it. But I think it goes more like this, The rich get richer and the poor get lazier and complain more.
    not all poor people are lazy, that is a very poorly thought out comment...
    if you have ever met any poor people you would know that the majority of them want to help their family and will work really hard for it. i know around here (napa) there is a large hispanic population...
    the men usually pick grapes. now tell me it's lazy to be out picking grapes in 100+ degree weather.
    a lot of the women clean houses and they do a Darn good job of it. there are exceptions of course, but most people want to make a good, honest living, not complain about their ecomonical position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Hahaha, thats hilarious! Professors are more likely to be liberals, therefore more informed people vote democrat? How about professors' salaries are paid by the government, therefore they want a larger government... and a democrat for a president
    Hmm, so every single University is public? Oh and CA is gone.

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    Our economy has just started to do good this year, recovering from democratic presidents takes time you cant get it done in 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archdukeferdinand
    Stuff like this http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...aq.explosives/ . I mean, wouldn't it be ironic if this war somehow INCREASED terrorism? I mean, who could have seen that one coming??? Certainly not the REST OF THE WORLD.

    Also, Jett-

    I guess I was under the impression that this administration inherited a budget surplus. Instead of fixing the roof while it wasn't raining, they opted for tax cuts that amounted to roughly $300 per middle class household, not much in the scheme of things, enough to buy some baubles, a new TV or some other crap.

    Personally I can't affiliate with either party as both make me sick, but sweet jesus...

    i heard about the explosives a while back...
    isn't it amazing that 380 tons of explosives which would take many, many trucks went unnoticed??
    this war was horrible in the first place and we also went in with not enough people to do anything anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Our economy has just started to do good this year, recovering from democratic presidents takes time you cant get it done in 4 years.
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

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    Did you miss the press conference where they had a general state that they retrieved a 5hit load of weapons. Yes you are right we did not send over enough people to just crush them in the beginning. Cant exactially stop now, that will show weakness. And other countries are too worried about oil to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Bush is ahead in Ohio and Florida right now. I can't wait for the next 4 years. I was told on this post that the rich get richer, is it really true. Will I really get richer if Bush is in office. I want Bush forever. If he is in office forever I will be the richest man alive, someday. I can't wait!!! Go BUSH!!!!!!!!!
    It depends on your definition of rich. If you're in the $200k+ per year tax brackets then yes, under Bush, opportunities for you to make money would be more openly available to you, both in income tax and other investment situations.

    Is that incrimental increase in wealth worth having the backwoods redneck intolerance and strong religious-right influences that control the GOP today (night and day difference between the GOP of 20 years ago) to someone who already has ample funding for a great lifestyle? To some it is, to some it isn't.

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    as of 8:20 P.M. PST the results are

    Bush-210
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    from www.yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    as of 8:20 P.M. PST the results are

    Bush-210
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    from www.yahoo.com
    I'm going with the more conservative and careful CNN projections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Did you miss the press conference where they had a general state that they retrieved a 5hit load of weapons.
    Yeah, I did. It must be the working 6 days a week and paying my own bills that had me so distracted. Its a relief, how much did they find? And was it found in our control or???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    People think bush messed up our economy in actuallity he has been cleaning up from the previous democratic presidents. If you take a look at smaller scales like cities and check out the ones who have been controlled by democrats for a good ammount of time, they are hurting because the economy can not survive on democratic rule. I.E. Pittsburgh.
    explain-to-me-then-how-we-came-from-the-largest-budget-surpluses-in-our-nations-history-to-one-of-hte-biggest-deficits

    the-rich-get-richer,the-middle-class/poor-gets-****ed

    sometimes-you-have-to-stop-thinking-about-whats-best-for-you,and-start-thinking-about-what-is-best-for-other-people
    we-are-a-nation-full-of-selfish-dueshebags

    also,middle-america-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote ...rednecks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

    Democrats-Normal human beings who can think for themselves and form there own opinions, not opinions spoon fed to them by Fox News.

    -TS
    Did you ever hear that thing about Bush over in Egypt or around there?
    He made a speech then said to the leader of the country something to the effect of "if you ever need anything call me because i can talk to god"
    did you ever hear that?
    again those were not his exact words, but it was something to that effect.

    how about the time he made a speech in brazil and afterwards said "oh you have black people here too"
    bwahahaha.

    please don't get mad at me people i'm just trying to lighten the atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

    Democrats-Normal human beings who can think for themselves and form there own opinions, not opinions spoon fed to them by Fox News.

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    Nice generalization, shows how intelligent you are.
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    Hey Matty,
    You know the Hispanics that you see picking grapes; a majority of them are illegal. Yes they work hard but guess what, a lot of our tax money goes to these illegals in the form of social programs such as sending their kids to schools, any hospital visits, increased insurance rate for uninsured and unlicensed drivers, more police just to name a few. So they might work hard, but they are breaking the LAW. You must be to young to know this. When you get your first job you will notice on teh first pay check that about half of it gone. These are just a few reasons why. Vote Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    not all poor people are lazy, that is a very poorly thought out comment...
    if you have ever met any poor people you would know that the majority of them want to help their family and will work really hard for it. i know around here (napa) there is a large hispanic population...
    the men usually pick grapes. now tell me it's lazy to be out picking grapes in 100+ degree weather.
    a lot of the women clean houses and they do a Darn good job of it. there are exceptions of course, but most people want to make a good, honest living, not complain about their ecomonical position.

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    you know whats weird? that Canadian news stations are more upto date on the electoral vote standings than Fox news (where the Democrates are much further behind)....go figure...
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    No intelligent person would vote for kerry. Hum... no that is worded wrong, i personally would not vote for someone who voted to raise taxes 394 times. Also someone who has the worst voting reccord in the senate. Personally also against gays. Yes i know bush is not the smartest president he also sucks at public speaking. Basically he has a really good cabinet. GO BUSH.

    Bush: 195
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    http://www.bushcountry.org/media/Joh...Commercial.mp3
    yea but thatís over more then a decade (close to 2 decades) of bills and amendments. If you apply the same logic to Bush's voting record he would have voted to increase taxes almost 200 times last month alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    When you get your first job you will notice on teh first pay check that about half of it gone. These are just a few reasons why. Vote Republican
    then why didnt they give tax rebates to the working poor, you know, the ones used in your example?

    and didnt Bush want to make the illegals legal? so confusing...what issue are you talking about?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    explain-to-me-then-how-we-came-from-the-largest-budget-surpluses-in-our-nations-history-to-one-of-hte-biggest-deficits

    the-rich-get-richer,the-middle-class/poor-gets-****ed

    sometimes-you-have-to-stop-thinking-about-whats-best-for-you,and-start-thinking-about-what-is-best-for-other-people
    we-are-a-nation-full-of-selfish-dueshebags

    also,middle-america-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote ...rednecks

    i-wish-my-keyboard-worked-so-i-could-talk-and-not-sound-like-a-retard

    i agree with you on the middle class/ poor class thing, we get screwed...

    maybe you should delete your post. not having a working keyboard reflects badly on us democrats. just kidding dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    explain-to-me-then-how-we-came-from-the-largest-budget-surpluses-in-our-nations-history-to-one-of-hte-biggest-deficits

    the-rich-get-richer,the-middle-class/poor-gets-****ed

    sometimes-you-have-to-stop-thinking-about-whats-best-for-you,and-start-thinking-about-what-is-best-for-other-people
    we-are-a-nation-full-of-selfish-dueshebags

    also,middle-america-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote ...rednecks

    i-wish-my-keyboard-worked-so-i-could-talk-and-not-sound-like-a-retard
    I told you, send me $10 and I'll send you a working keyboard....
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    I do not remember all the specific's of it, but i remember hearing a very large number of cargo trucks full of weapons which are in our pocession now. Yes luckly i am still in college and have time to watch news "never watch major stations ie abc,cbs,nbc. all liberal" ill look for it on internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    and didnt Bush want to make the illegals legal? so confusing...what issue are you talking about?
    Yes, he granted most green cards and gave them money. Another enlightened Republican

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    I do not remember all the specific's of it, but i remember hearing a very large number of cargo trucks full of weapons which are in our pocession now. Yes luckly i am still in college and have time to watch news "never watch major stations ie abc,cbs,nbc. all liberal" ill look for it on internet
    watch-english-news,you-will-get-unbiased-facts,not-a-bunch-of-********-like-we-get
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

    Democrats-Normal human beings who can think for themselves and form there own opinions, not opinions spoon fed to them by Fox News.

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    Or there's those that are...

    Unaffiliated-smart, resourceful, do their homework, decide on the issue not just the party.

    Libertarian-again smart, resourceful, tend to agree with minority candidates more as far as issues go.

    I find myself both of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
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    Reuters also seem to have unbiased news as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Nice generalization, shows how intelligent you are.
    Of course it was a mass generalization, but it is about 80% true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack
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    she's uber-scary....
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Of course it was a mass generalization, but it is about 80% true.

    -TS
    Actually history the role between democrats and republicans as far as liberal and conservative has switched back and forth throughout the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Of course it was a mass generalization, but it is about 80% true.

    -TS
    Your generalization, about generalizing, is about a 0% true generalization
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    she's uber-scary....
    Just like Condoleeza Rice. *shudder*
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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
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    Sure thing.

    SNAP DIZZLE! 2500 posts!!!! Let's see 270 for Mr. kerry!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    explain-to-me-then-how-we-came-from-the-largest-budget-surpluses-in-our-nations-history-to-one-of-hte-biggest-deficits

    the-rich-get-richer,the-middle-class/poor-gets-****ed

    sometimes-you-have-to-stop-thinking-about-whats-best-for-you,and-start-thinking-about-what-is-best-for-other-people
    we-are-a-nation-full-of-selfish-dueshebags

    also,middle-america-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote ...rednecks

    i-wish-my-keyboard-worked-so-i-could-talk-and-not-sound-like-a-retard

    The surpluse was still around from reagan, clinton messed it up and bush has started to clean it up. Side note Reagan however was the one who GAVE the WMD's to iraq....

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    All I want to say is that, I'm old. I've lived through a bunch of them (presidents). Some good, some bad, some indifferent.

    No matter who wins, get on with your life. You can do anything you want, and whichever bought and paid for guy that ends up winning, don't let it stop you from doing what you want to do. Don't let it turn you into a hater. Neither one of these guys is 100% right or wrong. Neither one is likely to destroy the country or turn it into paradise, unless you let/make it happen.

    This country is way more than whoever's in the whitehouse. It's about everyone that lives here and how we act toward each other.

    Whoever wins is not going to affect the way I try to go about my daily life and business. Everything changes and you go with the changes.

    It would really be nice if we actually had guys to vote for that we really believed in, that we really thought could make the difference we want (oh wait, is that "me/we or you/we). The fact is, the system makes that quite difficult, and we're left with these guys. Don't let it ruin your day.

    This is a totally non-partisan political sermon. Politicians suck, but who else wants the job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Ok, on that thing about if you vote for Kerry your uninformed or stupid or ignortant or whatever statement was made. 75%-80% of University Professorts are liberal Democrats, hmm informed people vote Democrat.

    Cali is ours, all we need now is Wisc. Rep., you can have Ohio and FL.

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    Those that can't get a real job in their field always resort to teaching. Teaching is a very noble cause, but look at the age of the average college professor, and also, say the average TV/News journalist. Seems like a whole lot of them are from the Vietnam War era, and it also seems like it was their liberal views that soiled our government and our soldiers for years afterwards. So, those people are now in office and in the news spotlights, teaching our kids (and some of us from here), and reporting their slanted viewpoints (not facts, mind you, but specifically designed views to soil particular political candidates) to us via one of the most readily used media outlets of all time...etc etc etc. And we wonder where the responsibility for one's self went, the morals of our once decent society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I told you, send me $10 and I'll send you a working keyboard....
    hey no spam allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Actually history the role between democrats and republicans as far as liberal and conservative has switched back and forth throughout the years.
    But were talking now! ****, Kerry camp says no FL for us.

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    Hey,

    I didn't say I totally agree with Bush, I just like him a hell of a lot more than Kerry. Also, the ones that I used in my example are illegal, you don't give people tax rebate to people that shouldn't be here. That's like you saying we should give a tax break to the "poor". Over 50% of Americans don't even pay taxes so how the hell do they get a tax break! Is that the poor you are talking about? Oh yeah, for everyone that says the wealthy don't pay their share of taxes, the top 10% of wage earners pay over 65% of all taxes. That sounds like enough to me.



    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    then why didnt they give tax rebates to the working poor, you know, the ones used in your example?

    and didnt Bush want to make the illegals legal? so confusing...what issue are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    The surpluse was still around from reagan, clinton messed it up and bush has started to clean it up. Side not Reagan however was the one who GAVE the WMD's to iraq....
    wow,this-was-actually-your-time,and-you-cant-face-facts

    the-deficit-clinton-faced-was-larger-than-the-current-one

    he-actually-payed-back-some-national-debt
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Sure thing.

    SNAP DIZZLE! 2500 posts!!!! Let's see 270 for Mr. kerry!!!
    WORD

    throw ya Ls up for kerry yea.

    got it out of a snowboard mag (don't actually know what it means)

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Or there's those that are...

    Unaffiliated-smart, resourceful, do their homework, decide on the issue not just the party.

    Libertarian-again smart, resourceful, tend to agree with minority candidates more as far as issues go.

    I find myself both of those.
    Since when is being unaffiliated better than being partisan? I'm sorry, but I fail to understand the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Rempe
    Those that can't get a real job in their field always resort to teaching. Teaching is a very noble cause, but look at the age of the average college professor, and also, say the average TV/News journalist. Seems like a whole lot of them are from the Vietnam War era, and it also seems like it was their liberal views that soiled our government and our soldiers for years afterwards. So, those people are now in office and in the news spotlights, teaching our kids (and some of us from here), and reporting their slanted viewpoints (not facts, mind you, but specifically designed views to soil particular political candidates) to us via one of the most readily used media outlets of all time...etc etc etc. And we wonder where the responsibility for one's self went, the morals of our once decent society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    wow,this-was-actually-your-time,and-you-cant-face-facts

    the-deficit-clinton-faced-was-larger-than-the-current-one

    he-actually-payed-back-some-national-debt
    Clinton's deficit-cutting plan was the largest in history, proposing to save nearly $500 billion over four years. Of that amount, roughly two-thirds would go to reduce the deficit, while another third would be used to pay for increased job creation and long-term investment spending, making net deficit reduction at the end of the four years of the plan about $325 billion


    Looked it up, my bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa


    Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll

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    I'm going to bed, so that will explain my abscence for the remainder of the evening. Night all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Since when is being unaffiliated better than being partisan? I'm sorry, but I fail to understand the argument.
    hey what do you know you are just a janitorial engineer.

    sorry if this was already posted, but i couldn't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I'm going to bed, so that will explain my abscence for the remainder of the evening. Night all!

    Me too, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KERRY. Woah~

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    I do agree with some kerry issues, i do think people who earn 200k+ a year should have an increase in taxes. keep in mind I am a pilot in training so that would effect me down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Clinton's deficit-cutting plan was the largest in history, proposing to save nearly $500 billion over four years. Of that amount, roughly two-thirds would go to reduce the deficit, while another third would be used to pay for increased job creation and long-term investment spending, making net deficit reduction at the end of the four years of the plan about $325 billion


    Looked it up, my bad
    your,are-ignorant
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    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    http://www.ihatedemocrats.com/jokes/iraq_protest.html

    hope this does not affend anyone if so....

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    no, not ignorant just talking out of my a55

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    hey, if you guys survived the Reagan years, whats another 4 with puppethead?
    Zedro reagan was a Great president

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    no, not ignorant just talking out of my a55
    that was interesting...

    anyone ever seen the one with a couple college kids? they have signs that say "bombing for peace is like screwing for virginity." i thought it was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    explain-to-me-then-how-we-came-from-the-largest-budget-surpluses-in-our-nations-history-to-one-of-hte-biggest-deficits

    the-rich-get-richer,the-middle-class/poor-gets-****ed

    sometimes-you-have-to-stop-thinking-about-whats-best-for-you,and-start-thinking-about-what-is-best-for-other-people
    we-are-a-nation-full-of-selfish-dueshebags

    also,middle-america-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote ...rednecks

    i-wish-my-keyboard-worked-so-i-could-talk-and-not-sound-like-a-retard

    Fackcheck.org info for you...

    "Wrong on the Surplus

    Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected."

    Basically, Bush never had a surplus worth a damn to begin with.

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    Who would you want for president?

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by shock
    All I want to say is that, I'm old. I've lived through a bunch of them (presidents). Some good, some bad, some indifferent.

    No matter who wins, get on with your life. You can do anything you want, and whichever bought and paid for guy that ends up winning, don't let it stop you from doing what you want to do. Don't let it turn you into a hater. Neither one of these guys is 100% right or wrong. Neither one is likely to destroy the country or turn it into paradise, unless you let/make it happen.

    This country is way more than whoever's in the whitehouse. It's about everyone that lives here and how we act toward each other.

    Whoever wins is not going to affect the way I try to go about my daily life and business. Everything changes and you go with the changes.

    It would really be nice if we actually had guys to vote for that we really believed in, that we really thought could make the difference we want (oh wait, is that "me/we or you/we). The fact is, the system makes that quite difficult, and we're left with these guys. Don't let it ruin your day.

    This is a totally non-partisan political sermon. Politicians suck, but who else wants the job?

    very true. well thought out post. thanks for contributing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Hey Matty,
    You know the Hispanics that you see picking grapes; a majority of them are illegal. Yes they work hard but guess what, a lot of our tax money goes to these illegals in the form of social programs such as sending their kids to schools, any hospital visits, increased insurance rate for uninsured and unlicensed drivers, more police just to name a few. So they might work hard, but they are breaking the LAW. You must be to young to know this. When you get your first job you will notice on teh first pay check that about half of it gone. These are just a few reasons why. Vote Republican
    yeah,and-our-economy-would-be-where-without-these-people

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    Zedro reagan was a Great president
    about how old were you when he was president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Rempe
    Fackcheck.org info for you...

    "Wrong on the Surplus

    Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected."
    ooohh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45


    Who would you want for president?

    LOL
    that's not fair, the sun was in kerry's eyes.

    edit: if you wanted a president who was good at football, why didn't you vote gore?

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    As of 9:20 PST CNN has these results:
    Bush-234
    Kerry-188
    and Yahoo has these results:
    Bush-237
    Kerry-206

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

    Democrats-Normal human beings who can think for themselves and form there own opinions, not opinions spoon fed to them by Fox News.

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    Typical Liberal rhetoric, coming straight out of the current DNC talking points. Weapons...already debunked and old news when it was "brought" to the attention of the general public.

    As far as Republicans/Conservatives not being able to think for themselves...that's also sheer ignorance. I say that knowing that the national average of the IQ measurement between Democrats and Republicans shows a distinct disadvantage for the Democrats. Also, how about the fact that there is a severe Liberal media bias (in the order of a 12:1 ratio) for Kerry and the current Democratic party, which is probably worth a minimum of 5% points in the overall popular vote (if not more). Now, tell me who is getting "spoon fed" info from their media sources?

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    The real question i know everyone is thinking of is which candidate would most likely go mountain biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    The real question i know everyone is thinking of is which candidate would most likely go mountain biking.
    And Bush is the answer to that question
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa


    Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll

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    Not a troll at all, but I feel I must don my waders when walking through this much BS. Besides, I could smell you from the SS forum...

    Ever heard the quote;

    "If you're 20 and not liberal, you don't have a heart. If you're 40 and not conservative, you don't have a brain" ?

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    There is no way you would ever see kerry on a bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    There is no way you would ever see kerry on a bike
    Actually kerry is a road biker, but road and mountain are completely seperate as far as I'm concerned.
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    All those going to Canada & France...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    For those who are lazy and don't really care I'm going to post the Electoral Votes of the election as they are updated.

    Electoral Votes

    Kerry-188
    Bush-197



    -TS
    Don't let the doorknob hit you in the XXX on the way out. Good grief...what a bunch of whiners. For one thing, the thing is hardly over. For another, the rest of us lived through 8 years of Clinton without packing our bags and cashing in our chips. Some of you sound like some of those Hollywood weinies who threatened to move to another country if Bush was elected in 2000. I see those wankers are still hanging around. If Kerry gets elected, I wouldn't let him run me out of my own country...though he and some of his left wing buddies might run some of us out of our mountainbiking locations. This country is tough enough to survive Nixon, Clinton, Kerry, or Bush even if some of you aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Actually kerry is a road biker, but road and mountain are completely seperate as far as I'm concerned.
    exactially, however cant trash road biking does require a huge ammount of endurance, lance is a machine. Although i doubt kerry is any good

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Don't let the doorknob hit you in the XXX on the way out. Good grief...what a bunch of whiners. For one thing, the thing is hardly over. For another, the rest of us lived through 8 years of Clinton without packing our bags and cashing in our chips. Some of you sound like some of those Hollywood weinies who threatened to move to another country if Bush was elected in 2000. I see those wankers are still hanging around. If Kerry gets elected, I wouldn't let him run me out of my own country...though he and some of his left wing buddies might run some of us out of our mountainbiking locations. This country is tough enough to survive Nixon, Clinton, Kerry, or Bush even if some of you aren't.
    I wanted to live in Canada even before this whole thing. I still will if Kerry is elected.
    Bush being elected again is just another reason to add to the list.
    Clinton didn't get us into a pointless war though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    I wanted to live in Canada even before this whole thing. I still will if Kerry is elected.
    Bush being elected again is just another reason to add to the list.
    Clinton didn't get us into a pointless war though...

    LOL pointless war..... how do you conclude that

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    I wanted to live in Canada even before this whole thing. I still will if Kerry is elected.
    Bush being elected again is just another reason to add to the list.
    Clinton didn't get us into a pointless war though...
    Just for the record, kerry got us into this "pointless" war too.

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    Many of you seem to be under the illusion that Canada is great. Well I tell you what since 4-6 of those bastards from 9/11 crossed our borders from there it is apparent there is nothing holding you back from moving. So when you get a job or if you can find one there, you know to pay bills you will come to realize that socialism and communism suck. But hey if you want to pay 50% or more of your income go and move. Remember that 10 out of 10 terrorists agree anybody but BUSH!!! Freedom isn't free, just because there are words on paper doesn't mean jack. It is because boys with balls and honor serve our country that you girls can coplain. Don't forget it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Don't let the doorknob hit you in the XXX on the way out. Good grief...what a bunch of whiners. For one thing, the thing is hardly over. For another, the rest of us lived through 8 years of Clinton without packing our bags and cashing in our chips. Some of you sound like some of those Hollywood weinies who threatened to move to another country if Bush was elected in 2000. I see those wankers are still hanging around. If Kerry gets elected, I wouldn't let him run me out of my own country...though he and some of his left wing buddies might run some of us out of our mountainbiking locations. This country is tough enough to survive Nixon, Clinton, Kerry, or Bush even if some of you aren't.
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    i-also-dont-want-to-go-fight-a-war,especially-one-i-feel-so-strongly-against

    oh,seriosly-how-can-you-be-a-mountainbiker-for-bush.his-stance-on-theienvironment-is-so-horrible-its-incredible.

    a-side-note..
    a-born-again-cristinan,like-bush,in-the-white-house-is-a-lot-scarier-than-any-muslim-or-whatever-hes-trying-to-make-us-****-our-pants-over.

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    he-thinks-the-earth-is-going-to-come-to-an-end-soon,so-he-deosnt-mind-contributing-to-that

    you-may-call-some-of-thatabsurd,but-it-is-a-true-part-0f-what-he-believes
    not-an-attack-on-you-in-anyway-either,i-respect-you-as-a-knowledgable-member-of-the-mtb-community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Just for the record, kerry got us into this "pointless" war too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMan
    Just for the record, kerry got us into this "pointless" war too.

    http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
    maybe-because-he-was-feed-false-information,just-like-the-rest-of-us


    i-hope-you-know-that-something-like-50%-of-americans-think-iraq-was-behind-911

    most-of-the-terrorists-on-those-plains-were-from-saudi-arabia,but-we-dont-go-after-them-cause-the-bush-family-is-personal-freinds-of-them
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    good stuff
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    oh-and-bring-some-beers
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by samanderson4
    Hey Matty,
    You know the Hispanics that you see picking grapes; a majority of them are illegal. Yes they work hard but guess what, a lot of our tax money goes to these illegals in the form of social programs such as sending their kids to schools, any hospital visits, increased insurance rate for uninsured and unlicensed drivers, more police just to name a few. So they might work hard, but they are breaking the LAW. You must be to young to know this. When you get your first job you will notice on teh first pay check that about half of it gone. These are just a few reasons why. Vote Republican
    Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. Every action has a reaction. Let's say we stop all illegal immigrants and start paying american citizens a decent wage to pick grapes. You might spend less on taxes for education, and law enforcement, but now your grapes are costing a hell of a lot more. What, you don't want to pick grapes for less than minimum wage with no benefits? Me neither. Your food is so cheap in part because the labor is cheap. Americans spend a lower percentage of their income on food than any other country in the world.

    I understand that US law requires that all illegal immigrants receive public education K-12. The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that this costs $7.4 billion dollars each year. I agree that is a large chunk of money, however, that is a drop in the bucket compared to military spending. Want to have lower taxes? Consider going to war less often. The US annual military budget is close to $400 B in total. We have spent approximately $140 billion so far in Iraq. Worth it?

    Rant mode on, then I am done.

    Unless you are a Native American, what right do you really have to be complaining about illegal immigrants?

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    Oh I forgot a thing or two. After reading some more rants of leftist talking points I had to point out a few things. I am not christian, but roughley 80% of our country is. There is only one religion that promotes death as a way to get to heaven. If you are so worried about the environment maybe you should thank Clinton for nafta. We have the cleanest large in dustries in the world. Clinton was a moderate compared to Kerry. He did do some good things, changing the welfare and social security, oh yeah but that was just put in front of him and he signed. If you are so stupid and I do mean stupid that you think the warwas not just you must be an issolationist. You would be an idiot to think that having 7 seperate countries security forces telling you weapons were there and not to do anything. Oh yeah I guess you didn't know that we now have a foot in the door in the middle east. Terrorists will see what happens when you poke a big dog with a little stick. Humor me and debate what I just posted.

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    im assuming that people on this forum who want to move to canada are baseing it on the mountain bike scene. Because if you knew anything about living in canada it sucks compared to USA. i have never lived in canada just basing this on friends who moved from canada to USA. Thousands of people come in to our country illegially for a reason, its the best place to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    maybe-because-he-was-feed-false-information,just-like-the-rest-of-us


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    Kerry was given false information about WMDs in Iraq, the same information that president Bush and the entire senate was given. John Kerry is equally responsible for this "mess" we are in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Thousands of people come in to our country illegially for a reason, its the best place to live.
    thats-the-type-of-attitude-that-makes-most-of-the-world-hate-us
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Hey Kona biker I am not sure what his beliefs on evolution are. There is evidence both ways I personally believed it happened but there may also be a God up there. I get pissed when people start shitting on this country because I have friends there in country putting it on the line. I too may end up being over there if something else happens in our homeland. No body knows all the answers and if they say they do they are full of it. I just want as much money given to my friends over there as they need.

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    Incorrect, countries dont like us because we are the most powerful country in the world, they feel inferior due to their insecurities, a lot of middle east countries teach their children that america is evil children dont even get a chance to formulate their own opinions. Its not an attitude that is my opinion and i was just backing it up with our problem with illegal immigrant.

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    Go Busho!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    Incorrect, countries dont like us because we are the most powerful country in the world, they feel inferior due to their insecurities, a lot of middle east countries teach their children that america is evil children dont even get a chance to formulate their own opinions.
    have-you-ever-left-america?
    seriously-that-is-some-********-if-ive-ever-seen-it

    im-not-even-going-to-respond-to-it
    another-elitist-right-wing-bastard-who-lives-in-a-fantasy-world-and-avoids-what-is-really true
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by shock
    All I want to say is that, I'm old. I've lived through a bunch of them (presidents). Some good, some bad, some indifferent.

    No matter who wins, get on with your life. You can do anything you want, and whichever bought and paid for guy that ends up winning, don't let it stop you from doing what you want to do. Don't let it turn you into a hater. Neither one of these guys is 100% right or wrong. Neither one is likely to destroy the country or turn it into paradise, unless you let/make it happen.

    This country is way more than whoever's in the whitehouse. It's about everyone that lives here and how we act toward each other.

    Whoever wins is not going to affect the way I try to go about my daily life and business. Everything changes and you go with the changes.

    It would really be nice if we actually had guys to vote for that we really believed in, that we really thought could make the difference we want (oh wait, is that "me/we or you/we). The fact is, the system makes that quite difficult, and we're left with these guys. Don't let it ruin your day.

    This is a totally non-partisan political sermon. Politicians suck, but who else wants the job?


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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
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    another-elitist-right-wing-bastard-who-lives-in-a-fantasy-world-and-avoids-what-is-really true
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    it's close, but it looks like we are all moving to Canada this spring. Bush has 269 erectoral votes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    have-you-ever-left-america?
    seriously-that-is-some-********-if-ive-ever-seen-it

    im-not-even-going-to-respond-to-it
    another-elitist-right-wing-bastard-who-lives-in-a-fantasy-world-and-avoids-what-is-really true

    if you have been reading im a PILOT, international flying is kinda in my field, I'm sorrry i havent gotten the chance to take a vacation to the middle east though most of it is restricted unless you are a military aircraft and have clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
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    eyes riddin' down south dis weekend then horrygone for 2 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianjenn
    Remember that 10 out of 10 terrorists agree anybody but BUSH!!!

    Nope.

    Terrorists recruitment feeds on hate of the US. Bush is the best for feeding that hate, bar none. Osama loves Bush.
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    give him a gun, and put him in iraq. We'll see what happens

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    So did Osama love us on 911?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    Nope.

    Terrorists recruitment feeds on hate of the US. Bush is the best for feeding that hate, bar none. Osama loves Bush.
    Dougal, what had Bush done the first few months of his administration to warrant Osama and the boys to kill about 3000 of us? The hate was already there. And by the way, Osama would have liked to send more than a video tape these last few days before our election.

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    Infedells

    Being an infedell is what the terrorists hate about us. Pick up a Koran some time. Killing infedells is the only way to heaven. If you are not a practicing muslim they think you should die. Hey Stumpy??? my friend just got back and said what we need is less following of the Geneva convention and a lot more use of deadly force. Its funny how we follow this supposed international law but none of our enemies do. If you know anything about military history then the name Carlos Hatchcock will ring a bell. A man with a .308 holding back 1100 VC out in the jungle by himself. 87 shots fired 86 dead, Semper Fi mother****ers. Turn em loose and lat the boys do what they were trained to do. Does BUSH have the balls?

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    Osama does not love bush im thinking he enjoys hating bush/US
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettj45
    if you have been reading im a PILOT, international flying is kinda in my field, I'm sorrry i havent gotten the chance to take a vacation to the middle east though most of it is restricted unless you are a military aircraft and have clearance.
    Kind of funny, your profile says you are a landscaper.

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    yea that is because i am still in college, and when i became a member to this site 07-25-2004 my day job was landscaping because it was still summer
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank n. beans
    Kind of funny, your profile says you are a landscaper.

    yea i figured someone would be anal and look at that so i remembered to add CFI

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Dougal, what had Bush done the first few months of his administration to warrant Osama and the boys to kill about 3000 of us? The hate was already there. And by the way, Osama would have liked to send more than a video tape these last few days before our election.
    Bush wasn't the catalyst for that attack, but his reactions have turned the sympathy of the world from the US.

    For a short time afterward sep 12th (different time zone here) the world was sympathetic with the US in their pursuit of perpetrators. But the current US goverment has turned that around completely. There is very little international support for the US military actions at the moment. I would go so far as to say the US in general is actively hated in many parts of the world right now.

    The actions of Gutanamo Bay (sp?) and prisoner mistreatment in Iraq have further strengthened the feelings against the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianjenn
    Being an infedell is what the terrorists hate about us. Pick up a Koran some time. Killing infedells is the only way to heaven. If you are not a practicing muslim they think you should die. Hey Stumpy??? my friend just got back and said what we need is less following of the Geneva convention and a lot more use of deadly force. Its funny how we follow this supposed international law but none of our enemies do. If you know anything about military history then the name Carlos Hatchcock will ring a bell. A man with a .308 holding back 1100 VC out in the jungle by himself. 87 shots fired 86 dead, Semper Fi mother****ers. Turn em loose and lat the boys do what they were trained to do. Does BUSH have the balls?
    That's the way to make the US a less safe place.

    Behaviour like that feeds the hatred that terrorism breeds upon. The people in these countries probably don't even understand why your soldiers are there, but more bloodshed will do nothing but increase the number of angry young men willing to die for their country. Especially when their own relations have died at the hands and tools of occupying forces.

    Then you'll be looking for even tighter controls to keep your country "safe". It's already resembling a prison with all visitors getting fingerprinted on entry.

    Fear, ignorance and firepower are a sad and tragic mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    That was a blatantly vague comment if I ever heard one. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and there are quite a lot of reasons nto to support Bush. IMO.
    luckily your opinion doesn't count

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal

    Fear, ignorance and firepower are a sad and tragic mix.
    thats-it-right-there
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Ok, on that thing about if you vote for Kerry your uninformed or stupid or ignortant or whatever statement was made. 75%-80% of University Professorts are liberal Democrats, hmm informed people vote Democrat.

    Cali is ours, all we need now is Wisc. Rep., you can have Ohio and FL.

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    I don't know if anyone else has responded, but your post just really poked my rage a little bit. 100% of Public College professors are gonna vote liberal because it fattens their pay check. If you look at everything in the most greedy, capitalistic way, you'll see the true motivation behind peoples actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Hahahahah, very, very true. People with low IQ's who can relate to the leader.

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    Sherpa, the personal rancor reflected in that remark I don't intend to dignify with comment, but I would like to address your negative feelings for the entire South-East and mid-Western United States. Just because the entire east coast is on a different time zone doesnt necessarily mean that they have a low IQ. Who can help that they are 3 hours ahead of us? You have a unique understanding of time zones. Go to school my son. After that, grow up.

    and whether you like Bush or Kerry, there are no idiots at Yale. Bush is a weak public speaker, but not an idiot. Personally, I don't really care for either of em. I think US politics needs a revolution, something fresh. From a moral standpoint, Bush is stronger, in my opinion.

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    wow, strong argument, I dont know what to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by konabiker
    yeah,and-our-economy-would-be-where-without-these-people

    they-do-the-dirty-work,the-stuff-most-people-wont-do
    and yet so many people complain about outsourcing many jobs, a huge percentage of which is the same dirty work

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    hey, if you guys survived the Reagan years, whats another 4 with puppethead?
    you realize that a large portion of this thread (tony, matt, konabiker, the sherpa) are not of voting age, and probably don't even remember Ronald Reagen being in office right

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Yea i mean our deficit means absolutely nothing. Oh and maybe Bush can try and find that 380tons of explosives that the US Army just let slip into who-the-hell-knows hands.

    Republicans- Rich people/Religous fanatics/Can't look at facts/Can't think for themselves

    Democrats-Normal human beings who can think for themselves and form there own opinions, not opinions spoon fed to them by Fox News.

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    bringing the media influence into this is not a wise idea from someone presenting liberal ideas, I could go on for hours about cnn, nbc, abc, and cbs and how they are slanted

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    If only it was that simple.

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    Bush wasn't the catalyst for that attack, but his reactions have turned the sympathy of the world from the US.

    For a short time afterward sep 12th (different time zone here) the world was sympathetic with the US in their pursuit of perpetrators. But the current US goverment has turned that around completely. There is very little international support for the US military actions at the moment. I would go so far as to say the US in general is actively hated in many parts of the world right now.

    The actions of Gutanamo Bay (sp?) and prisoner mistreatment in Iraq have further strengthened the feelings against the US.
    The French had their hands so far in Saddam's pockets that if it had occurred in public, they would have been arrested. Europe is afraid of U.S. power and influence in the world in general and the mid-east in particular. Many of them actually believe that we have imperialistic aspirations there and other places. Heck, many think that this war is about the U.S. just grabbing oil and such. I'm still amazed that in the wake of the invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam, that we forget the constant aspirations of Saddam--invading Iran, invading Kuwait, and the treatment of his own people. Everyone believed that Saddam would continue this pattern, and that he had the means in conventional and WMD to make another attempt. Instead the U.S. somehow becomes the villain in this scenario because Europe (Britain excepted) and others would not act. 911 has changed how the U.S. will look at threats in the world, and how we deal with them. In the long run it will make the world a safer place even if it gets a few noses out of joint. If the U.S. really had imperialistic intentions, it wouldn't need an excuse to prosecute it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougal
    That's the way to make the US a less safe place.

    Behaviour like that feeds the hatred that terrorism breeds upon. The people in these countries probably don't even understand why your soldiers are there, but more bloodshed will do nothing but increase the number of angry young men willing to die for their country. Especially when their own relations have died at the hands and tools of occupying forces.

    Then you'll be looking for even tighter controls to keep your country "safe". It's already resembling a prison with all visitors getting fingerprinted on entry.

    Fear, ignorance and firepower are a sad and tragic mix.
    we had a couple of refugee guest speakers from iraq come our school like a month ago...and it was only untill they came to australia and learnt english that they actually found out why america and the allied forces were over in iraq...interestingly enough though...they didnt change there minds or attitiudes towards america...

    (doesnt the presidant only represent like 20% of your country though...so wouldnt all the time and effort youve all put into this thread...have been better spent trying to get people to vote)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanD
    luckily your opinion doesn't count
    Do you hate me now Danny?
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    Turns out that five years of not mountain biking, really makes one strive to get back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanD
    you realize that a large portion of this thread (tony, matt, konabiker, the sherpa) are not of voting age, and probably don't even remember Ronald Reagen being in office right
    Lol, definitely right about that one! I even posted prior asking for more knowledge since I was just born near the end of his term.
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    Hey Dougal I guess you think that the reason we got attacked on 9/11 is because of the war that the great muslims forsaw us starting wuth them. You clowns are talking about the current day Hitlers they have been murdering people due to rel;igious differences for years. I guess you just want to sit back whils over 100,000 people in the Sudan are murdered by Muslim insanoes. The fanatical branch of islam is doing muslims no favors. Lets just hide in our caves and pretend 9/11 never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianjenn
    Hey Dougal I guess you think that the reason we got attacked on 9/11 is because of the war that the great muslims forsaw us starting wuth them. You clowns are talking about the current day Hitlers they have been murdering people due to rel;igious differences for years. I guess you just want to sit back whils over 100,000 people in the Sudan are murdered by Muslim insanoes. The fanatical branch of islam is doing muslims no favors. Lets just hide in our caves and pretend 9/11 never happened.
    it all goes back further too..... to our support of isreal and the problems of lebanon. Bin laden family got rich off american oil companies and he complains. He personally inherited over 25 million dollars...F Him

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