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    Please, No More Measurements.....

    please stop giving height information when posting up drops. just post the pic and let us all decide for ourselves the drop height. drop heights are measured from the top of the take-off, vertically to the top-most part of the landing, not how far you can fly down the tranny....

    if they were measured to where you land, you end up with a scenario similar to someone going way too fast for a 10' double and calling it a 20' double. the double is still a 10 footer no matter where you land. the drop is the same way.......


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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Are you serious?

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    let me call the wahhhbulance

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingduck
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Are you serious?

    absolutely...........it is fun when people call a 3 1/2 foot at best 10 feet because of where they land
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    Bah. I agree 100%.

    If some fool wants to call 15' drop cause he hit a 5 foot vertical retaining wall at 20mph and landed 10 feet down the tranny - that's his pipe dream. Chances are, that grom would not hit a 15' vertical retaining wall. Come on, theyre both 15 feet right ??? Not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    please stop giving height information when posting up drops. just post the pic and let us all decide for ourselves the drop height. drop heights are measured from the top of the take-off, vertically to the top-most part of the landing, not how far you can fly down the tranny....

    if they were measured to where you land, you end up with a scenario similar to someone going way too fast for a 10' double and calling it a 20' double. the double is still a 10 footer no matter where you land. the drop is the same way.......

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    i just think it's lame how drop threads turn into arguments about "real" measurements........


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    nah people just think they got it figured out when they see a picture but they don't. im not gonna tell how big somebodys drop is
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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    i just think it's lame how drop threads turn into arguments about "real" measurements........
    Agreed. I think we need to pull out some of the old "Pinkbike Calculator" threads for some of the 63.5487 foot dropping/jumping groms that are new to the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    i just think it's lame how drop threads turn into arguments about "real" measurements........
    true dat
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    This wouldn't be such a big deal if people didn't try to measure a drop with their eyes though a pic, everyone knows pics make everything look alot different, if you dont agree with a drops height and you think it is off by a foot keep it to your self, no one cares, if you think their drop is a foot smaller than it actualy is....
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    Oh yeah, well I've got something 12" long right here in my hand so don't tell me I can't estimate distances and measurements accurately.






























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    Personally, I don't really care how you guys size up drops, not having posted pics of any drops in a while, and I do get sick of reading through arguements about drop size.

    In the interest of playing Devil's advocate, what does this mean, WCH, for the drop here in CO that, by your standards would be considered 8' - but which by most other standards would be considered 12-14' (given that the tranny is 60 - 80 degrees or so for a good 8' or so past where the "landing" would be if one were to approach the lip @ 1/2 mph and fall straight down?)

    Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    are you guys gonna hit that today or what??? looked ready to go to me...
    well it is at bighit816's house it is 20min away,and im still not sure if it will be done this season sadly, atleast not by me, I don't want to get hurt for ski season. But im sure if bighit decides to do it soon i will be right behind him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vpjackal989
    well it is at bighit816's house it is 20min away,and im still not sure if it will be done this season sadly, atleast not by me, I don't want to get hurt for ski season. But im sure if bighit decides to do it soon i will be right behind him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themarsvolta55
    big bad confidence

    sure dont include the other 4 bikers

    me
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    you selfish little sons a batch

    haha jk
    you forgot erik you idiot
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    Quote Originally Posted by vpjackal989
    you forgot erik you idiot


    what are you talking about allen, it says erik

    you marshs garshes head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    ....In the interest of playing Devil's advocate, what does this mean, WCH, for the drop here in CO that, by your standards would be considered 8' - but which by most other standards would be considered 12-14' (given that the tranny is 60 - 80 degrees or so for a good 8' or so past where the "landing" would be if one were to approach the lip @ 1/2 mph and fall straight down?)

    Just curious.
    then you are saying that the final gap on the redbull course this year is a 80' drop if you land far enough down?

    not.


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    I agree with WCH to some extent. I mean, we don't need a number to tell us how difficult the drop would be to hit. However, I can see how some people wouldn't be too happy callling the drop they hit a 2 footer when then actually dropped like 15 feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    then you are saying that the final gap on the redbull course this year is a 80' drop if you land far enough down?

    not.
    Nah - I was thinking strictly in vertical feet. The gap may have been 80, but the drop, in vertical feet - probably wasn't more than 35' tops.

    It doesn't matter when it comes down to it. I usually use the fun factor when deciding whether or not I want to hit something, if it's not fun - who cares how big it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    are you guys gonna hit that today or what??? looked ready to go to me...
    it snows here so we have to deal with an off season at one point
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    If you foo's are so concerned about accurate representation of the gnarly-ness of a drop through height statistics, how about adopting a convention in which when people feel the need to tell other people about the height of their drop they use two numbers: #1=minimum height to an acceptable transition / #2=actual height the rear tire of the bicycle falls. So, for example, a drop could be 8/12' , 3'/15' or 8'/8'. Standardize information presentation, or continue arguing until you're all blue in the face.

    P.S. Trying to tell someone their 12' drop is "only really like 10'" based on pictorial representations on t3h interweb is lamez0rz.
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    what if you say its a 4 foot drop and I went 15 feet....

    Then you are cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeMk
    If you foo's are so concerned about accurate representation of the gnarly-ness of a drop through height statistics, how about adopting a convention in which when people feel the need to tell other people about the height of their drop they use two numbers: #1=minimum height to an acceptable transition / #2=actual height the rear tire of the bicycle falls. So, for example, a drop could be 8/12' , 3'/15' or 8'/8'. Standardize information presentation, or continue arguing unitl you're all blue in the face.

    P.S. Trying to tell someone their 12' drop is "only really like 10'" based on pictorial representations on t3h interweb is lamez0rz.
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    I live in teh park with my family in a van down the river ....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Personally, I don't really care how you guys size up drops, not having posted pics of any drops in a while, and I do get sick of reading through arguements about drop size.

    In the interest of playing Devil's advocate, what does this mean, WCH, for the drop here in CO that, by your standards would be considered 8' - but which by most other standards would be considered 12-14' (given that the tranny is 60 - 80 degrees or so for a good 8' or so past where the "landing" would be if one were to approach the lip @ 1/2 mph and fall straight down?)

    Just curious.
    izzat Wes? Can't really tell but it looks like an ASX.

    I hit a 30 over the weekend. Might of been 36 where I landed it.






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    Quote Originally Posted by pdirt
    I live in teh park with my family in a van down the river ....


    does that mean your van is going down the river...or your van is an underwater van...or it's just down the river from something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    izzat Wes? Can't really tell but it looks like an ASX.

    I hit a 30 over the weekend. Might of been 36 where I landed it.






    of course I'm talking inches...
    Yeah - that's Wes, this was taken back when he used to ride.

    36" isn't bad - I'm only 23" (of course, Rachel has to bring me down by swearing it's only 22" - but whatever)

    This new standard stuff is pretty wild - check out this 18" drop I hit - I fell like 8' off of it.
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    i think some people have a valid point when they say "i dropped X amount of feet". What i mean is when you hit a jump or lip or whatever you are dropping you usually fly out some before you actually start "dropping" and if the landing is steep the actual distance you are dropping could be more then the distance from the end of the ramp to straight down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman
    ....valid point.....
    now you're just trying to confuse everybody......

    again, i could care less how big the hit is, i'm pretty educated and can easily guestimate the true distance from a picture. all i was saying is that when you post a dimension, the flaming starts and turns the thread lame in no time.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by irieness
    but this thread was already lame...and there weren't any measurements to begin with...
    oh yeah? you have hairy armpits......


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    now you're just trying to confuse everybody......

    again, i could care less how big the hit is, i'm pretty educated and can easily guestimate the true distance from a picture. all i was saying is that when you post a dimension, the flaming starts and turns the thread lame in no time.......
    but this thread was already lame...and there weren't any measurements to begin with...












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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Nah - I was thinking strictly in vertical feet. The gap may have been 80, but the drop, in vertical feet - probably wasn't more than 35' tops.

    It doesn't matter when it comes down to it. I usually use the fun factor when deciding whether or not I want to hit something, if it's not fun - who cares how big it is?
    yeah, but to your other post....the verticleness on your drop in Colorado is still big....it is just funny when people say they did a 8 foot drop ( when it was 2 1/2 feet then a run out)and then really see an 8 foot drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by irieness
    ...I'm sick and bored...
    oh no! you guys have bird floo!!!


    just to stir the bowl, what about that one euro dude who blasted rennie's distance attempt outta the water? that guy hit a ski jump that looked to be no more than 20 feet tall, but flew 140 feet down the mountain?

    obviously, it's less contraversial if people just post the pics without any claims, and let the pics speak for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha
    .......just to stir the bowl, what about that one euro dude who blasted rennie's distance attempt outta the water? that guy hit a ski jump that looked to be no more than 20 feet tall, but flew 140 feet down the mountain?........
    well, how can it be more than a 30 foot drop if he is no more than 30 feet away from the ground at any given moment regardless of how far he flies horizontally?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    yeah, but to your other post....the verticleness on your drop in Colorado is still big....it is just funny when people say they did a 8 foot drop ( when it was 2 1/2 feet then a run out)and then really see an 8 foot drop
    Yeah, I agree - I almost had to *gasp* turn off MTBR the other day while looking at some thread where 50 people were chiming in on the actual size of a drop. I'd be as happy as anyone to start seeing "Check it out, drop pics" instead of "50 foot road gap to ravine" and shite like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha
    oh no! you guys have bird floo!!!
    yeah, both of us...it's from his grimey friend...he just got back from Asia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    oh yeah? you have hairy armpits......
    come on now...these people already think I'm a dirty hippy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    well, how can it be more than a 30 foot drop if he is no more than 30 feet away from the ground at any given moment regardless of how far he flies horizontally?
    It's science yo....




    if the ground wasn't sloped and it was 100' up at the takeoff, jazzy jizzer would still fall the exact same distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    It's science yo....




    if the ground wasn't sloped and it was 100' up at the takeoff, jazzy jizzer would still fall the exact same distance.
    bwhahahaha

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    Now that's what I'm talking about. Kidwoo, all pics posted of drops should be required to be accompanied with a detailed, to scale, diagram like your example here...LOL! BTW, is the "Rennie Sux" a thought bubble or is he actually shouting that as he flies off the drop? I see one potential problem, however, with the rear wheel measuring system. The 24" wheel in your pic is going to be easy to scale the exact height of the drop. I can figure 2 feet for every wheel. But man, I'm going to have troube with a 26" wheel. I went to college, but not graduate school. I'm screwed!

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    I agree with wch about how you shouldn't post dimensions. Just take pics of lots of different angles, and put some1 in the pic for a reference. However i disagree with the tranny part. If it is a really steep tranny, and you fly down it 13 feet, but the ladder is only 4ft high, your still dropping 13 feet. If you are talking about jumps, its a different story, but drops is different
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    this problem will never go away whilst we have little newbies that dont know how to measure such things and that seek approval and compliments for doing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    WOW, I'll bet it made you wish CHODE*666 was still around to comment, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    WOW, I'll bet it made you wish CHODE*666 was still around to comment, huh?
    CHODE*666 is dead. Long live CHODE*666. He coulda' been a moderator!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666*EDOHC
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    WOW, I'll bet it made you wish CHODE*666 was still around to comment, huh?
    I'm sure that CHODE* would probably challenge me to an arm-wrestle or something like that if he weren't 6 feet under. Rumor has it that that he is still around - but his latest scrape has rendered him unable to speak...

    You know - kinda like Elvis - only different.
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    Whatever.

    If you don't want to read measurements, don't open the damn post.
    No one should have to clear anything witht the "Measurement Police" to post a pic. If it's off and a five foot drop is said to be a 15 footer the guy is going to get blasted by keyboard happy critics anyway.
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    From now on, all my pics will be of me holding a yard stick in one hand as I hit a drop or gap. Problem solved.

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