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    Idea! PIC: 888s Stanchion Turned Green...

    this no doubt was interesting when i noticed it...

    my actual right stanchion (the forks right) on my soon to be a month old 888s anodising is wearing allready and has turned a slight greenish colour in bands close to the seals...

    has this happened to anyone else...

    im sure this is only cosmetic and like what happen to many people who own sherman slider plus forks such as man with one hand...but should it have happened this quickly and does anyone knoe anyone of have a 888 in which this has hapened to...

    interesting no doubt...

    (if you want a pic of the fork when its clean to see it better then im morre than happy to go take one...but you get the main idea from this picture)
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    im think that is grease, well that is the color of bearing grease so im not sure.
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    I know that sometimes truvativ parts that are ano black will sometimes turn a slight greenish color if they've been out in the sun a lot. Maybe that's the cause, i dunno....
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    Somewhat normal.

    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-
    this no doubt was interesting when i noticed it...

    my actual right sanction (the forks right) on my soon to be a month old 888s anodising is wearing allready and has turned a slight greenish colour in bands close to the seals...

    has this happened to anyone else...

    im sure this is only cosmetic and like what happen to many people who own sherman slider plus forks such as man with one hand...but should it have happened this quickly and does anyone knoe anyone of have a 888 in which this has hapened to...

    interesting no doubt...

    (if you want a pic of the fork when its clean to see it better then im morre than happy to go take one...but you get the main idea from this picture)
    Mine look the same if you look real close, but the green goes all the way to the crown. However, mine are 1 yr old. Maybe if you keep the stanchions well lubed the coating won't rub off as fast. Wonder what Marzocchi has to say?

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    Similar thing happened to my boxxer race a few years ago, i asked rock shox and they said it was just the coating wearing off and it had no effect on the fork what so ever, i assume it is the same circumstances with your 888, however it hasnt happened to mine or anyone else i know, it might be worth a call to zoke to be safe.

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    mine did the exact same thing after a few weeks. its mainly on the right leg, too. something i've noticed though is that in the sunlight all the black marzo forks appear a lil big green.
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    youre black hardcoat anodizing is going bye-bye
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    shame it happend so fast...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-

    my actual right sanction
    uhh...you're what?

    anyways, have you checked if theres enough oil in there? have you done a post-break-in oil change?
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    yeah it's stanchion (i think)

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    My stanctcheeeeeeyuns turned this hella wicked pink and purple checkerboard pattern with these sweet watermark images of nekkid chicks. What's with this green crap? You guys should check with marzo warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    yeah it's stanchion (i think)
    your really starting to get to me...


    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    uhh...you're what?

    anyways, have you checked if theres enough oil in there? have you done a post-break-in oil change?
    yeh the oil should be all good...changed and everything...its just loss of colour right...

    anyways ill be taking my bike into my LBS to get a full overhaull to keep her running in prime condition...so ill chat to the guys about that then i guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-
    your really starting to get to me...
    well zedro said it first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt
    well zedro said it first...
    well if thats the case then i guess its ok then...
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    everybody was dressed nice...I had shorts, Rogue T-shirt and sandles

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    My '05 Z1FR has black stanchions too, and they were green-ish right out of the box.

    My opinion: Marzocchi re-anodized black over old gold stanchions, resulting in the off-color.
    (this is pure speculation only, soley my own e-pinion ... your mileage may vary)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick.
    My opinion: Marzocchi re-anodized black over old gold stanchions, resulting in the off-color.
    (this is pure speculation only, soley my own e-pinion ... your mileage may vary)
    i dont think thats possible.
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    i think green sliders are bling...red would look sick. blue---yeah, that be hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    i think green sliders are bling...red would look sick. blue---yeah, that be hot.
    Gold ano would be cooler. Like Santa Cruz's Trans Gold
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    red sliders do look pretty hot, especaily on the 66/888. monster would look hotter with the titanium colored sliders, red didnt work to well. are you talkin about the boxxer wc gold ano?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    . are you talkin about the boxxer wc gold ano?
    Psh, that's slippery silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    Psh, that's slippery silver.

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    didnt they have a boxxer with gold sliders? i dont think im mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    didnt they have a boxxer with gold sliders? i dont think im mistaken.
    Probably did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    didnt they have a boxxer with gold sliders? i dont think im mistaken.
    before his time

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1_joel
    before his time
    Before my time? haha, I've seen a few of those. Rarely with the slippery gold looking stanchions but a local here just so happens to have a trans gold v10 with those same ones on it. Definitely sexy looking.
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    every single 888 i've seen (12-15), has also had this black to green transformation......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bull
    im think that is grease, well that is the color of bearing grease so im not sure.
    Yes that is the grease reacting with a different light spectrum with the blank stanchions I believe. My Z150's stanchions look kinda strange sometimes.
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    then why do they still look green after you clean the stanchions......


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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH
    every single 888 i've seen (12-15), has also had this black to green transformation......
    shame...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-
    shame...
    no doubt, with all the dough they expect you to fork over for one, the stanchions should be a non-issue........


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    no doubt, with all the dough they expect you to fork over for one, the stanchions should be a non-issue........
    well manufacturing problems do happen....
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    well manufacturing problems do happen....
    just one more thing to add to the list of reasons not to get a 888.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    just one more thing to add to the list of reasons not to get a 888.....
    yeah no kidding. Perhaps they rushed it, or need to do some ass-kicking in the factory.
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    The same happened to my Z150

    the same greenish colour happens to be on my Z150, i did some 1200km on it.

    i think it's just so-hyped black anodised coating wearing off

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    Blo J,

    I ran into a couple of guys at Reb Bull who's 888 Stanchions were doing the same thing. Mine only have about 8 hours of use so far, and they are still black. Just get out a can of black spray paint, and tag em like they were a bare concrete wall!
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chingon
    Just get out a can of black spray paint, and tag em like they were a bare concrete wall!
    lol...careful, he might actually do that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    are you talkin about the boxxer wc gold ano?
    That was a Titanium Nitride Coating RS used on some of the 2002 Boxxers & early 2003 WC Boxxers.

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    That's interesting ... I have changed the oil 3 or 4 times in 888s, and the oil in the right leg is always an opaque dark black-green color, even when the left leg oil is still translucent amber. Could be related to the stanchion coloring (haven't noticed it on mine but haven't looked either). Might have something to do with the rebound cartridge. It's still my favorite fork (like it better than my Shiver).

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermoccasin
    That's interesting ... I have changed the oil 3 or 4 times in 888s, and the oil in the right leg is always an opaque dark black-green color, even when the left leg oil is still translucent amber. Could be related to the stanchion coloring (haven't noticed it on mine but haven't looked either). Might have something to do with the rebound cartridge. It's still my favorite fork (like it better than my Shiver).

    That's dirty oil. Zokes foul up oil quicker than any other fork made. It's almost magical. You use your rebound damper more than the compression damper so that side gets ugly faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    uhh...you're what?

    anyways, have you checked if theres enough oil in there? have you done a post-break-in oil change?

    "your" no "you're"
    yf your gowing two cracq skuhlz fore grhammmer, tri nawt tow leaf yourselv opin to atak.

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    guess i'm hooked on phonics.
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    hmm. why doesn't marzocchi make the stanchions green instead of black. cause then they wouldn't turn green cause they would already be green. Just joking, but that sucks. See if you can get a new one. Warrenty it.

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    theory: that is the bronze bushing dust inpregnatig itself into the porous anodized layer. It mostly appears at the bottom since that where the fork mostly sits while active (around the sag point). Could have to do with bad tolerances since it doesnt necessarily happen on both legs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kidwoo
    You use your rebound damper more than the compression damper so that side gets ugly faster.
    am i the only one that thinks thats a bit rediculous? And fouling is generally due to the bushings...not much friction going on in the dampers, not between solids at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    lol...careful, he might actually do that...
    (laughing)

    im not a complete moron...i do know left from right...

    (i can also now understand how people have been snapping the Marzocchi "M" on the lowers of the fork...its actually very thin)

    but i guess when you start making something attractive and fancy then problems arise as compared to the robust and tankalicious Shiver and Monster-T that looks like it was craved out of blocks of steel...

    oh well its a great fork over all...and i love it to death (as due to my weight and size and riding is no doubt the perfect fork for me) it just looks a bit funky with these green lines on the right stanchion...

    anyways i just wanted to see if this had happened to anyone else and there 888s before becuase i know of similar thigs happening to shermans etc...

    (and the gold and silver stanchions that weve seen on boxxers in the past ahve all been badass...but whilst were on the topic of forks has anyone else noticed the change in colors or the changed color scheme on the new DH40 fork...they actually look really nice now...i might now finally consider one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-
    has anyone else noticed the change in colors or the changed color scheme on the new DH40 fork...they actually look really nice now...i might now finally consider one
    i usually look at the spec sheet to make my purchasing decisions...but thats just me
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    theory: that is the bronze bushing dust inpregnatig itself into the porous anodized layer. It mostly appears at the bottom since that where the fork mostly sits while active (around the sag point). Could have to do with bad tolerances since it doesnt necessarily happen on both legs.

    am i the only one that thinks thats a bit rediculous? And fouling is generally due to the bushings...not much friction going on in the dampers, not between solids at least.
    Maybe. I've had my 888 since the beginning of summer. I've changed the oil twice. I'll be changing it again this week before I go down to bootleg. Everytime I've popped open the thing for preload adjustments or spring changes, the compression damper side is pretty immaculate. I don't use the compression damper. It doesn't do much unless it's cranked down full bore anyway. The rebound damper side is absolutely foul everytime I've had it open. My old Z1 mcr that had a compression damper on one side did the same thing. Dirty on the rebound side, looks new on the compression side.

    So both sides being equal EXCEPT for direction of damper activity, why is the rebound damper oil getting dirtier? Everyone I know has had the same experience changing oil in these things.

    My theory has always been that the rebound damper is doing more work, causing more resistence to oil flow and hence lends itself to quicker breaking down of the aluminum components withn the cartidges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    My theory has always been that the rebound damper is doing more work, causing more resistence to oil flow and hence lends itself to quicker breaking down of the aluminum components withn the cartidges.
    i'm thinking more the breaking down of the oil itself. I dont see how there is more friction wear based on damping work.

    Have you tried using different oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    i usually look at the spec sheet to make my purchasing decisions...but thats just me
    (laughing)

    cummon...we all know that the DH40 will be a great fork...were not stupid and dont need to be told otherwise by a piece of paper...and youve got to admit something that would have held some people back form buying one was how ugly it looked...

    now all they need is a direct mount stem...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    i'm thinking more the breaking down of the oil itself. I dont see how there is more friction wear based on damping work.

    Have you tried using different oil?
    Maybe. I've used golden spectro and bel ray on this fork and those two plus some other that comes in a black bottle......can't remember the name in the past on other forks. I'll agree with the oil breaking down because it starts to smell like ass, but there's also the metal glitter present......but again, only in the rebound side. Denatured oil doesn't make metal. Only Dio can do that properly.

    Since the last time I had it open, I've had the compression damper cranked all the way down so that the thing actually exhibits some progression. I'm curious now to see what condition the goop is in.

    So again, maybe were splitting hairs over vocabulary, I say fouled because it smells that way and because there's metal flakes in there. If that's not what you mean by fouled, then what's a better term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJ-
    ...and youve got to admit something that would have held some people back form buying one was how ugly it looked...
    yes, typically those around your age group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    yes, typically those around your age group.
    When you own a gold bike its a bit hard not to let aesthetics come into play somewhat. Although I've ghetto modded some things to make them look good. Performance is 85% of whats important to me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    So again, maybe were splitting hairs over vocabulary, I say fouled because it smells that way and because there's metal flakes in there. If that's not what you mean by fouled, then what's a better term?
    i dunno, i'm not convinced there is more mechanical wear associated with higher damping; the damping forces are produced by the restriction of oil flow through plastic shims mostly, and that through ports...there is no metal to metal contact associated with it. More damping work could possibly break down the oil, which in turn could cause poor lubricating properties for the bushings, accelerating their breakdown and fowling with gold sparklies which look green on the black. Is that what you mean? I think i like that theory....
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    When you own a gold bike its a bit hard not to let aesthetics come into play somewhat.....
    like i said....
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    like i said....
    I know. I was only proving your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    i dunno, i'm not convinced there is more mechanical wear associated with higher damping; the damping forces are produced by the restriction of oil flow through plastic shims mostly, and that through ports...there is no metal to metal contact associated with it. More damping work could possibly break down the oil, which in turn could cause poor lubricating properties for the bushings, accelerating their breakdown and fowling with gold sparklies which look green on the black. Is that what you mean? I think i like that theory....
    This whole green thing is the kiddies version of worn down cheap black anodizing, I'm talking nuts and bolts here, not aesthetics.

    To be honest, I've never had a zoke cartidge apart. Whenever they would lock up or stop working, everyone I know would just toss them. I've never had one fail though. I was kind of thinking that with some of the rediculously high frequency use some dampers get, SOMETHING would be breaking down the metal, faster of course with more damping, be it oil, metal on metal, plastic on metal, or the mohawk of the little gremlin that slows my fork down and lives in the right leg.

    All I know is that the rebound goop goes first. It just does. I'm down with your theory of lost lubricating properties though. But anything internal in the fork having d!ck to do with wipers wearing away anodizing........that's just nuts. And the oil turns grey, not green kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I know. I was only proving your point.
    listen are we gonna have to fight about this!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    listen are we gonna have to fight about this!?
    *sigh* no.....*runs off to corner cowering in fear*
    Tony
    is making a comeback.

    Turns out that five years of not mountain biking, really makes one strive to get back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    *sigh* no.....*runs off to corner cowering in fear*
    u better, he might be suffering from ARS judging by how he looks in his avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    u better, he might be suffering from ARS judging by how he looks in his avatar.
    i see dead people
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    i see dead people
    im sure you do, its a common Symptom. i usually bang my head against the wall till it bleeds (rare side effect of ARS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Jako
    u better, he might be suffering from ARS judging by how he looks in his avatar.
    Psh....I've got the super power skills of the Fantastic 4 on my side.
    Tony
    is making a comeback.

    Turns out that five years of not mountain biking, really makes one strive to get back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Psh....I've got the super power skills of the Fantastic 4 on my side.
    no match compared to my deserted hotel full of dead redrum obsessed people
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    888 Owners For Truth

    Marzo, why the fack is my fork green?

    Brian?
    JackNugz

    Quote Originally Posted by zedro
    no, but they are shinier....it's like the fututre, where everything is really really shiny.....but still really just the same ol'crap

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    hrm.. the rebound side of my 888r is 'greener' than the compression side. And I have noticed everytime I change oil it's dirtier on the rebound side. Still works great, though. Discoloration, scratches, etc are just a sign that you're actually riding your bike.
    ...he said "young man pay heed, you listen well to what i say, now there comes a time for a man to walk away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH
    That was a Titanium Nitride Coating RS used on some of the 2002 Boxxers & early 2003 WC Boxxers.

    2002 Boxxer



    2003 Boxxer World Cup

    The gold stanchions were such crap on the 02. On mine the gold stuff bubbled and then peeled off. I got it warrented but ended up with the slippery silver ones that they used now. Rock shox said that this was a known problem........

    BJ---- try to get that warrented because i bet before you know it, it will start to peel or have some adverse affect on the 888.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoaohohohoh
    BJ---- try to get that warrented because i bet before you know it, it will start to peel or have some adverse affect on the 888.
    anodizing doesnt peel, it can get discolored tho. Those Boxxer sliders are plated which is quite different; anodizing is an oxide layer that is part of the aluminum that can only be worn off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslingger
    no doubt you must have majored in english or something rad!!!

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    I'm still using a 2002 Boxxer with TiNi stanchions and haven't had any problems.

    I did hear that RS had huge rejection rate (10 to 1?)with the TiNi, which is the reason they changed to Slippery Silver.

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    im guessing that the normal color is being disintegrated by the constant flashes from your camera while you take pictures of it to show us. haha just kidding i think it might be the grease, but thats just my guess.
    Live to Ride, Ride to live

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