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    So my girlfriend and I might (hopefully) get up to Diablo tomorrow, Monday. This will be for both of us our first experiences with a lift park. I'm really looking for any tips, advice, and best first trail for my GF to get on. She will be riding a hardtail, and renting a DH rig is out of the question (even the entrance fee will be a bit steep for us), so is there any advice for her on that either? I'm hoping to hear some encouraging words too so hopefully I can pass them on to her and convince her we have to go! Well, if it works, look for us Monday, I'll have my 661 bravo helmet with fox the main vertigo ( black & white stripes) goggles on my giant pistol. will anyone else be up there, and what do you think about the weather? Thanks everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    So my girlfriend and I might (hopefully) get up to Diablo tomorrow, Monday. This will be for both of us our first experiences with a lift park. I'm really looking for any tips, advice, and best first trail for my GF to get on. She will be riding a hardtail, and renting a DH rig is out of the question (even the entrance fee will be a bit steep for us), so is there any advice for her on that either? I'm hoping to hear some encouraging words too so hopefully I can pass them on to her and convince her we have to go! Well, if it works, look for us Monday, I'll have my 661 bravo helmet with fox the main vertigo ( black & white stripes) goggles on my giant pistol. will anyone else be up there, and what do you think about the weather? Thanks everyone!
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    hardtail + girlfriend is a tough sell if you ask me. I say this because full susp "cush" is very helpful when the trails get fast and bumpy.
    The new Greenhorn trail (i think this is the name) is smooth and flowy...your best bet for keeping her interest. And the best trail for a HT bike.
    This trail is basically a pump track with little pedaling needed at all. It is ridable all the way through without having to take any drops or jumps. It's actually very fun and many riders with full on DH rigs wind up hitting it a few times each visit.

    It will however, lead out to a junction where you will need to decide how to get down the rest of the mountain. I say Alpine is your best bet on a HT.

    Stay away from the old school double black diamond trails...as they will most likely end with your girl asking to leave.

    If it rains tonight, the trails should be nice in the morning.
    It's been a dust bowl there (as of last weekend) and rain is much needed. I'm not sure of recent weather activity though.

    Bring a small cooler with plenty of drinks and some food, and leave it near the lift. This is easier than riding back to the parking lot all the time.

    It really is a fun place to ride. If your girl truly likes to be on a bike...then she should have a blast.
    If you are "forcing" her to go ride...you may have to pony up and rent a DH rig on your credit card...

    Have fun.

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    I'll second everything freeriderB said.

    The only thing to add is that if she does ride Diablo all day on a hardtail, then she is most definitely a keeper... and she deserves a nicer bike. Make sure her bike is all tuned up-if she has never ridden at a park before, she may not realize how critical brakes and tires are. If she is rockin on XC rubber, consider some 2.35s (or bigger) so that she may have a better chance at enjoying herself.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    wow, thanks alot guys. That was all very helpful, and I will be sure to let her know the facts as well. Greenhorn sounds great, I know she likes flowy things, and she'll enjoy pumping through it. She actually rides on the same trails as me and does really well, just maybe doesn't fly down them as fast. If there are super bumpy areas, is it acceptable to go down some areas slower? Or, what we do sometimes is I'll go down a little at my speeed, stop and wait, once she's caught up, we go again. Is that all acceptable there, or must you continue so you don't get run over? (I know she's worried that she'll be too slow) Thanks again for that help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    So my girlfriend and I might (hopefully) get up to Diablo tomorrow, Monday. This will be for both of us our first experiences with a lift park. I'm really looking for any tips, advice, and best first trail for my GF to get on. She will be riding a hardtail...I'm hoping to hear some encouraging words too...
    Unless she is a very competent rider on the HT and she's into technical riding and doesn't mind rocky trails and loves a mountain biking challenge then this is a bad idea. You said you're looking for words of encouragement, but...

    Even the easiest trail on the mountain, Greenhorn, is not necessarily "smooth" and she will probably get a bit fatigued (and likely bored) riding that one trail on a HT all day. It's not technical at all, but it is "bumpy" and if you carry speed a full-suspension bike is probably more forgiving.

    Plus, as freeriderB mentioned, there is no "easy" way to the bottom of the mountain...there's Alpine (a few table-tops and doubles, a bunch of high speed berms, a couple of wallrides, and LOTS of waterbars), Domboo (lots of tight-bermed turns and a ladder chute that can be intimidating to beginners) or the ski slope (loose rock over hardpack with more waterbars which leads to Crap Chute, Doms Denial and the Flute drop...for which there are bypasses). Out of these three I'd also say that Alpine is the best bet, but slow riders have got to be prepared to have faster ones breathing down their neck, as this is an expert trail.

    Outside of the bike she'll be riding, and the trails at Diablo, what are her bike skills like? I posted up my thoughts over on Ridemonkey after my first trip there last year, here's a rundown of the basic skills a rider should have obtained from trail or urban riding before they ride Diablo:
    • be able to manual onto or hop over trail obstacles (logs, rocks, curbs, etc.)
    • be comfortable charging through rock gardens
    • be comfortable on steep terrain; be able to get your butt back behind your seat
    • be able to ride down steps; not necessarily full stairways, but at least groups of 3 or 4 steps
    • be able to modulate your speed while traveling at high speed without skidding
    • be comfortable riding over jumps, not necessarily having to jump and clear them, but at least knowing how to absorb the lips with your body

    If a person were to stick to Greenhorn all day, then ride down the ski slope to the bottom then maybe all these skills aren't needed. But if a rider plans to try out some of the blue square and "easier" black diamond trails, such as Triple Drop, Upper and Lower Breakout, Dominion or Bushwack to Tempest to ??? on the north face, they better have some bike decent bike handling skills or they will be much less likely to have fun and more likely to get hurt.

    One other possibility: have you considered another bike park? I noticed that you're from PA, you may want to consider a trip to 7 Springs in Champion, PA. Depending exactly where you're from it may be a longer trip, but it may also be a more appropriate introduction to DH for your GF. Diablo is the better bike park in pretty much every way for advanced riders but at 7 Springs the trails are much tamer, not nearly as technical or steep overall, and the runs are much shorter which I believe is an advantage for a beginner rider to help prevent fatigue related mistakes.

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    hmmm, ok, well, are water bars just those tiny drops off like a log, or do you have to bunny hop them? Or can you lift front wheel and keep mooving quickly? Honestly, shes fine on steep terrain, good through rock gardens (after picking a line). Steps wont be a problem, and shes even attempted a few jumps landing on the top of the table top then. So with those skills, she should be ok on what trails? the blue squares? and maybe easy black diamonds? Also, is it acceptable to go slow, or have faster people pass her as she waits on the side for a sec? I know she likes riding through technical things alot, but likes to go slow and precise rather than fast and out of control. Honestly, knowing her skills of what I said, will there be enough for one day of fun??

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    diablo has plenty of smoothish trails. If you take like dominion can rock all the way down through alpine without touching ure brakes, or without pedaling and be fine. But some of the braking bumps on alpine were obnoxious (even at the beginning of the season). I guess lots of people can't hit berms fast, so a FS would def be nice for a beginner. I would not send a g/f down that mountain on a hardtail if u want to keep her around. But everything techie there has a go-around, theres really nothing terribly difficult if you stick to the moderate trails.

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    best bet...don't go....shuttle some easy trails locally...get her more use to riding down hill on trails closer to home without guys buzzing fast by her
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

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    Waterbars are either a trench (perpendicular to the trail direction) with earth built up on the opposite side or a smooth dirt transition built up to a log drop (up to about 1ft tall). They're not difficult, but take one at 15+mph without paying attention and they'll throw you for a loop. And they can get annoying because there are so many of them, but I guess that's the price we pay for having trails that don't get totally rutted out by the rain.

    Regarding "going slow", you can go as slow as you want, but that will be dictated somewhat by the terrain. She'll be on the brakes a lot, the trails are consistently downhill and speed builds up quickly. Despite what Gemini says, it takes a skilled rider to hit Dominion without braking - it's labeled double black diamond for a reason...and telling a noob to rip Alpine without braking is asking for serious injuries.

    If she's got the skills you say she does and she is interested in downhilling then she may be just fine on the easy and intermediate trails. She can always walk the tougher sections on the more advanced trails. But it's still gonna be way harsh on a XC hardtail. My first season riding at Diablo I was on a Turner RFX with 5" rear travel and 7" front travel. And I had less bike than 95% of the other riders, most of whom were better riders than me. Now I've got an 8"+ travel freeride bike and I wouldn't got back to a lesser travel bike. And definitely not a hardtail, unless I became a dirt jump specialist and just rocked the jump lines and slopestyle features...which is not likely. JMO, YMMV.


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    hmmm, ok, well, are water bars just those tiny drops off like a log, or do you have to bunny hop them? Or can you lift front wheel and keep mooving quickly? Honestly, shes fine on steep terrain, good through rock gardens (after picking a line). Steps wont be a problem, and shes even attempted a few jumps landing on the top of the table top then. So with those skills, she should be ok on what trails? the blue squares? and maybe easy black diamonds? Also, is it acceptable to go slow, or have faster people pass her as she waits on the side for a sec? I know she likes riding through technical things alot, but likes to go slow and precise rather than fast and out of control. Honestly, knowing her skills of what I said, will there be enough for one day of fun??

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    nice, I think it sounds like it'll be good. I was watching videos just now of alpine, domboo, and dominion and I know we've been on harder local stuff, but without the giant wallrides. The hardtail is what she rides on our local trails, but again, just slows it down a bit from what I do. So I think it'll be perfect. We'll ride the same as always, she can do same speed, but we won't have to do the walks back up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    nice, I think it sounds like it'll be good. I was watching videos just now of alpine, domboo, and dominion and I know we've been on harder local stuff, but without the giant wallrides. The hardtail is what she rides on our local trails, but again, just slows it down a bit from what I do. So I think it'll be perfect. We'll ride the same as always, she can do same speed, but we won't have to do the walks back up!

    Just curious...how is her HT set up?
    How much travel in front? Disc brakes or v-brakes? Clipless pedals or platforms?

    One important thing (I think) is the length of the stem. You really don't want all her weight over the front wheel. If possible, try swapping it out for a 45 or 55 mm if it's say a 120mm. It may feel a little weird, but it will help handling when heading down.

    A couple of final things...

    There is a bike shop like 100 yards before the parking lot (forgot the name...maybe RIDETOPIA??).
    I believe they rent DH bikes for like $75 (as opposed to Diablo's $100+). Maybe you can work a deal with the guy for partial day???

    Just remember, even the easy trails will have you picking up MAD speed (i.e. Alpine).

    And don't worry, 99.9% of the riders at Diablo are the nicest people. If your girl is creeping down Alpine at a slow pace, the guys at the top will give her all the time (and room) she needs.
    Just don't stop and hang out in the middle of any trails....move off to the side and let the fast riders through.

    Have a blast...

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    I haven't ridden a hardtail there, but I actually suspect that some of the "harder" trails are more friendly than some of the ones that are seemingly smoother. The lower part of greenhorn is fast and kind of rutted and even on a DH bike it takes more out of my hands than something like twist or the jack. Those trails feel much more like what I was used to XC riding than some of the faster stuff like alpine, tempest, the lower part of greenhorn, and upper and lower dominion, which all feel more moto-like to me. So, in general, if you take them slow, the single black diamond trails tend to be more familiar territory for people with more XC experience. Have fun, and don't worry about getting in the way...just use some common sense and you'll be fine. Weekdays tend to be much more quiet anyway.

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    I just had to post up in this thread since my first trip to Diablo was yesterday, and I was riding a HT...

    Even the "green" trails can get a bit steep and fast (I rode them most of the day with a tame blue square I don't even remember thrown in). And on a HT, Greenhorn and parts of Domboo are definitely not smooth. You have to stay very loose on the bike to avoid getting vibrated off. At the end of the first run, my forearms were aching from my grip on the bars and being on the brakes. I felt a bit beat-up at the end of the day, but it was awesome.

    I'll echo the recommendation about making sure the bike is tuned up. Also, bring spare tubes, tire levers, and all the hex keys you need for both of your bikes.

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    100mm travel, v-brakes(but there working great), platform pedals. This bike shop, is it a full shop? Can I get extra tubes there, or whatever else? That's good to hear about the people, and I would know not to stop in the middle, lol. Thanks for being so much help though, I do appreciate it.

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    I haven't been to diablo but I have to say I think you either need to pay up to rent a bike or forget taking her.

    I've been riding aggressive trails for years and this is my first year riding DH. I have been going to 7 springs and am learning pretty quickly. I have been renting a bike until this past weekend when I went out there. I took my freeride hardtail with a 6 inch fork. I am a very smooth rider but after the first run on the relatively smooth and short 007, I was very fatigued. After getting used to it I did have fun and got to the point that I was doing every trail as fast as all but the fastest riders out that day. But I was noticeably rattled after each run. I usually took a quick break at the bottom of each trail.

    Also, as the day goes on I tend to get tired and a bit lazy. This was fine on the FS but on the hardtail I did it one time and only one time. The FS is much more forgiving on these type of errors.

    I only tell you these things because this was on a DH/FR hardtail and am in great shape. I think you are doing yourself and your girlfriend a disservice trying to ride diablo or any resort with a bike like that.

    I guess if she is really into it you might be ok. But if she is going just to be with you and "give it a try" then drop the money for a FS rental and proper gear

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    V-brakes at Diablo--NO WAY!!! The key to staying alive at Diablo is skill and one major skill that is required is BRAKING skill. You can have all the experience on difficult "local" trails, but when you can't stop or modulate you speed on these trails you are looking for serious trouble.

    Like others have said Domboo is the "easy" way down the bottom half of the mountain. The problem here is that there are very tight switchbacks that require speed checks at times. And honking late on some V-brakes just ain't gonna cut it.

    Go to Ridetopia and rent a bike. They have Brodie FS DH bikes there that seem to be in very good condition. There is no better way to run someone off from the DH scene than to give them an XC bike on serious DH terrain and expect them to have fun. Kinda like taking a knife to a gun fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by be350ka
    V-brakes at Diablo--NO WAY!!! The key to staying alive at Diablo is skill and one major skill that is required is BRAKING skill. You can have all the experience on difficult "local" trails, but when you can't stop or modulate you speed on these trails you are looking for serious trouble.

    Like others have said Domboo is the "easy" way down the bottom half of the mountain. The problem here is that there are very tight switchbacks that require speed checks at times. And honking late on some V-brakes just ain't gonna cut it.

    Go to Ridetopia and rent a bike. They have Brodie FS DH bikes there that seem to be in very good condition. There is no better way to run someone off from the DH scene than to give them an XC bike on serious DH terrain and expect them to have fun. Kinda like taking a knife to a gun fight.
    I tend to agree but you do see people there on hardtails with V-brakes. They usually look...tentative, however.

    Domboo is probably the easiest way down, as long as you get that little wooden bridge thing set up right. I could see someone who's never ridden on man-made stuff getting a little sketched out by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebarker9
    I tend to agree but you do see people there on hardtails with V-brakes. They usually look...tentative, however.
    Yup, they show up on occasion. But, in my experience these are the same people who find that they have been outmatched and hang it up rather early in the day. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but it will be uncomfortable. As others have said, even with full on DH bikes with all the goodies you still feel like a wet rag when the day is through.

    My advice is to do yourself a favor and rent a bike (DH) that won't limit the new rider as much as a bike not intended for that use. IMO, it is not only irresponsible, but it is dangerous.

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    I live right next door to Diablo (if new york city can be considered) and started going this year. Couldn't even fathom riding a HT there. It might be possible but then so is cleaning an aircraft carrier with a toothbrush. Why?

    Use the right tool for the job. And by that you need good travel, beefy frame and discs are a MUST! Building up a freeride rig now myself after having rented. It's addicitive and yes, a novice can do just fine. Doing Diablo on a HT maybe would be best for the more advanced riders looking for an extra challenge. Kinda like those rigid singlespeed XC types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    ...v-brakes...
    If you value your relationship with her, don't take her to Diablo with V-brakes.

    Last year I took by wife to Ski Denton, a much tamer mountain than Diablo. Within three minutes her mechanical disc brakes were smokin'. She did not have fun on that outing, but when she was able to try downhilling again this year at 7 Springs (on a Santa Cruz Bullit) she enjoyed herself much more. We're now building her up a 7" & 7" bike...with appropriate stoppers, of course.

    Don't underestimate the gear needed to safely ride this mountain.

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    Whilst I can hit everything in Diablo on my FR bike, I wouldn't want to hit anything there on one of my XC bikes. Let alone an XC bike with V's...

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    WE'RE GOING in 20 minutes! I'll let everyone know how it goes, but I think it'll be awesome! Wish us luck.

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    Hmmm... No report back yet. I call that they're visiting the local hospital....

    Her- Injury unknown... Possibly a broken nail or something.

    Him- Broken bones sustained after her wreck...
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    Her- broken collarbone

    Him- broken heart

    booohooooooooooooooooo

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    Her - Sore hand from slapping him

    Him - Broken heart

    actually I bet it went good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madman133
    Her - Sore hand from slapping him

    Him - Broken heart

    actually I bet it went good...

    let's all hope he got in a last good lay before they parted ways.

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    If his G/F is anything like mine they will be fine. Two weeks ago we went for the first time and she slammed face first into a tree and made two runs after that. We are still together.(I think).

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    No matter what happened I wager that BOTH of them walked away with their tail between their legs.

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    Alright, here's the report. We had an amazing time! No major injuries. She did amazingly well and dominion ended up being her favriote trail. We did alot, and the only thing that she walked was that steep bridge on domboo, just cause it was steep and wood and she didn't want to slip. She fell one time on greenhorn, which was the most slow motion fall ever. The people in front of her were stopped and she stopped too, but I guess she didn't get her feet down solidon the ground and did a slo mo fall, but all was good.
    Me though... I had some problems. First run of the day down greenhorn, I got a flat rear tire... walked the whole way down, but my gf rode down the rest alone.
    I put in a new tube and all was good, so we then went for our second run. We got to the bottom of alpine and it was an amazing rush, but my gf looked at me and said it seemed bumpier that time.... I looked down with surprise to see her completly flat rear tire.
    So again, I changed a tube, and for the rest of the day, no problems, and she wants to get back there soon!

    Maybe our local trails are harder than I though, because we didn't get on alot that was too much more difficult then what we ride always. We also didn't hit the expert trails though.

    Overall, it was awesome and she rocked the hardtail, passing some people with their huge travel bikes.

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    Awesome, good for the two of you.

    I'm glad I (and others) were wrong about the potential catastrophe, but you may have gotten off lucky. So does she want a DH bike now? My wife did and now we're building up a 7" & 7" for all around use.

    Were you using DH tires and tubes? If not a few flats are to be expected, the rocks out there are pretty brutal.

    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    Alright, here's the report. We had an amazing time! No major injuries. She did amazingly well and dominion ended up being her favriote trail. We did alot, and the only thing that she walked was that steep bridge on domboo, just cause it was steep and wood and she didn't want to slip. She fell one time on greenhorn, which was the most slow motion fall ever. The people in front of her were stopped and she stopped too, but I guess she didn't get her feet down solidon the ground and did a slo mo fall, but all was good.
    Me though... I had some problems. First run of the day down greenhorn, I got a flat rear tire... walked the whole way down, but my gf rode down the rest alone.
    I put in a new tube and all was good, so we then went for our second run. We got to the bottom of alpine and it was an amazing rush, but my gf looked at me and said it seemed bumpier that time.... I looked down with surprise to see her completly flat rear tire.
    So again, I changed a tube, and for the rest of the day, no problems, and she wants to get back there soon!

    Maybe our local trails are harder than I though, because we didn't get on alot that was too much more difficult then what we ride always. We also didn't hit the expert trails though.

    Overall, it was awesome and she rocked the hardtail, passing some people with their huge travel bikes.

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    thanks! Well of course she'd like a better bike, DH rig, but so would I, lol. I know neither of us can actually do that now though, so what we have works (both paying for college at the moment). yea, lol, we did have DH tires, but not DH tubes, but that's fixed now, lol. I couldn't believe I flatted mine, it was so stupid too, I just rolled over one sharp rock all wrong. And wow, walking down that whole way made me realize how long it was, it took FOREVER.

    I just couldn't believe how awesome it was there! and not walking back up... amazing.

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    glad to hear you both had a good time, aside from the flats and the absolutely miserable walk down to the base. I've made that trip a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    So my girlfriend and I might (hopefully) get up to Diablo tomorrow, Monday. This will be for both of us our first experiences with a lift park. I'm really looking for any tips, advice, and best first trail for my GF to get on. She will be riding a hardtail, and renting a DH rig is out of the question (even the entrance fee will be a bit steep for us), so is there any advice for her on that either? I'm hoping to hear some encouraging words too so hopefully I can pass them on to her and convince her we have to go! Well, if it works, look for us Monday, I'll have my 661 bravo helmet with fox the main vertigo ( black & white stripes) goggles on my giant pistol. will anyone else be up there, and what do you think about the weather? Thanks everyone!

    hhahahaha yo thats mad funny i saw you guys i was their on monday i was on a brown giant reign x2 i had a royal jersey with gray and black camo brown cargo pants sixsixone helmet with white trim the sort of rent me helmet their but mine has a few stickers your girlfriend had like i bright colored tank top right and you were decked out with like white gray and black right i gave you directions at one point you asked me about a trail you asked if it was a legit trail...

    that was allot of recaling....

    was that u guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    thanks! Well of course she'd like a better bike, DH rig, but so would I, lol. I know neither of us can actually do that now though, so what we have works (both paying for college at the moment). yea, lol, we did have DH tires, but not DH tubes, but that's fixed now, lol. I couldn't believe I flatted mine, it was so stupid too, I just rolled over one sharp rock all wrong. And wow, walking down that whole way made me realize how long it was, it took FOREVER.

    I just couldn't believe how awesome it was there! and not walking back up... amazing.
    i had to do that 2 weeks ago when i over shot one of the jumps on domination ending with the inialation of everything on the rear triangle 175 buck later i do the same thing agian lol the next time out this time hitting a water bum going realy fast so another 185 buck later i got the problem figured out bad derailor i upgraded and its all good but when i had to walk down i got dehydrated and i had spazims in my feet resulting in the most pain i have ever been in my life

    sorry about the spelling/grammer.....inner city schools are a *****
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Were you using DH tires and tubes? If not a few flats are to be expected, the rocks out there are pretty brutal.
    Dh tubes are a waste of weight. Xc tubes with the proper DH tires (michi comp 32/24/16 or maxxis high roller or minion 3c) will work just fine on all but the rockiest of trails.

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    I wish I could get my GF to do **** like that, its all I can do to get her out on a road ride :/ and those are boring!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05
    Dh tubes are a waste of weight. Xc tubes with the proper DH tires (michi comp 32/24/16 or maxxis high roller or minion 3c) will work just fine on all but the rockiest of trails.
    When gravity is pulling you down the mountain on a 44lb bike another 200grams of weight from DH tubes isn't going to spoil your day. A couple of flats can spoil your day, I don't run that risk. Even with DH-casing Minions. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    When gravity is pulling you down the mountain on a 44lb bike another 200grams of weight from DH tubes isn't going to spoil your day. A couple of flats can spoil your day, I don't run that risk. Even with DH-casing Minions. YMMV.
    Meh, My bike is ~48 pounds, regularly (2-3 times a week) do 20-25 minute descents on the rockiest of trails (read: way rockier than diablo). As long as I keep the tires ~25-28 psi, I've had 1 flat with the michi or maxxis DH tires, I have had 2 comp 24 sidewalls delaminate, but they were old anyways. And 200 grams does make a difference. Especially at the end of the 20 minute descent when you're beat to **** and you've gotta pedal a few miles on the road up and down hills. Too each his own, theres nothing WRONG with a little extra protection, but I like to roll the dice and rawdawg it when it comes to rubber tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05
    And 200 grams does make a difference. Especially...when...you've gotta pedal a few miles on the road up and down hills.
    Not at Diablo, you don't. Everything I've said was based on that context.
    Too each his own, theres nothing WRONG with a little extra protection, but I like to roll the dice and rawdawg it when it comes to rubber tubes.
    Like I said, YMMV...

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    Cool! Glad you both liked it! Of course I (and I'm sure the others) were just busting you guys. Fahn
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Not at Diablo, you don't. Everything I've said was based on that context.

    Like I said, YMMV...
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    what you guys didnt hit up stigmata?? that would be a great trail for a hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warriorltd
    what you guys didnt hit up stigmata?? that would be a great trail for a hardtail.
    With out a doubt!!! But, I can understand if they didn't want to do it. Now Ripper is perfect for the HT with rimmers.

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    haha, yea that was us, and I remember you!

    Yea, that was this other guy that asked you. I asked him how the trail was in front of us (lower breakout), and he turned and asked you if it WAS a trail, lol. I just stood there laughing and imagining what you thought, lol.

    But yea, that was us, how was your time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by decemberdays27
    haha, yea that was us, and I remember you!

    Yea, that was this other guy that asked you. I asked him how the trail was in front of us (lower breakout), and he turned and asked you if it WAS a trail, lol. I just stood there laughing and imagining what you thought, lol.

    But yea, that was us, how was your time?
    all good all good no complaints it seams everytime i go to diablo i just learn something new, like that day i pretty much nailed ever jump on domination somthing clicked. But then i ate so much **** on my last run it was insane, my knee is all ****ed up but i am still gonna go agian this weekend
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    that sucks about your knee. I won't be up this weekend, but hopefully Sunday the 10th I'll be up there again. It was so awesome I cant wait to do it again.

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    That's great you guys took the plunge. Without risk there can be no reward. Most of the time when I'm worried about a trail being too much it turns out to be a favorite.
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