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    just a little something 4 you forum people to talk about.

    heres a peak at the 2009 ROTEC RL9 team bike.

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    awesome.. love that floating brake

    what's the travel and shock stroke?
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    Very nice bike
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    man that looks nice,,,,,howz it ride??
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    Gorgeous bike.

    I wasn't aware that the rotec needed a floating brake. For some reason I thought it had one of those VPP/DW-link ish designs that didn't require one.

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    The older Rotecs had the single arm design (like a motocross) but now they've got a Lawwill design (like the old Tomac or Yeti). Should be a similar ride which means bada$$
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    Looks way dope, I am interested in those hope's more than the bike though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertomannil
    awesome.. love that floating brake

    what's the travel and shock stroke?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hesh to Steel
    Gorgeous bike.

    I wasn't aware that the rotec needed a floating brake. For some reason I thought it had one of those VPP/DW-link ish designs that didn't require one.

    First watch the movie "On Any Sunday" and look for the name Mert Lawwill, (a fantastic film, and amazing man) than goggle his suspension design and do a little research and then, and only then come back here and see if your comments don't make you look a little bit "silly!"

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    OMG! Carbon bars! THey will snap and you could [email protected][email protected]!1one!

    Seriously though, sweet ride. whatsit weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    First watch the movie "On Any Sunday" and look for the name Mert Lawwill, (a fantastic film, and amazing man) than goggle his suspension design and do a little research and then, and only then come back here and see if your comments don't make you look a little bit "silly!"
    I'm not sure that I look all that "silly" after you just told me to go "goggle" something.

    I'm aware that the RL9 and other bikes in the past have used Mert Lawwill's suspension design. I was just under the impression that the concentric bracket was designed to do the same thing that VPP and DW-Link do, which is provide plush long-travel with efficient pedaling and isolation of suspension action from braking forces. I thought I read that somewhere. If I'm wrong, feel free fill me in on why.

    Unless you'd rather just tell me to "goggle" a few more things rather than discuss the bike and its suspension design.


    P.S.: how is watching a steve mcqueen motorcycle movie which also features mert lawwill going to make me better informed about the science behind his mountain bike suspension designs?

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    Why did you post pictures if you wouldnt like to explain and detail the suspensoin design on the bike .... !?! .... i dont get it, its a sweet machine but i would like to have more detail without having the need to google for more information, you bring it up, now explain please !....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesh to Steel
    I'm not sure that I look all that "silly" after you just told me to go "goggle" something.

    I'm aware that the RL9 and other bikes in the past have used Mert Lawwill's suspension design. I was just under the impression that the concentric bracket was designed to do the same thing that VPP and DW-Link do, which is provide plush long-travel with efficient pedaling and isolation of suspension action from braking forces. I thought I read that somewhere. If I'm wrong, feel free fill me in on why.

    Unless you'd rather just tell me to "goggle" a few more things rather than discuss the bike and its suspension design.


    P.S.: how is watching a steve mcqueen motorcycle movie which also features mert lawwill going to make me better informed about the science behind his mountain bike suspension designs?
    I was being nice by using the word "silly" as the Lawwill design is the predecessor to the FSR design (note the basic trapezoid shape common to both designs) which, when you think about it is nothing like VPP (Virtual Pivot Point) or DW-Link systems, Except all these designs are intended to isolate braking forces from from suspension movement (eliminated brake squat, or brake jack as some refer to it). So the only reason I thought you looked "silly" was your comment about VPP and DW-Link, and how they aren't really like the Lawwill design at all.

    P.S.S.: If you took the time to watch the film "On Any Sunday" rather than commenting about something you "just heard about" or "saw a 10 minute segment online" you would understand the history of the film, who made it, why and that Steve McQueen was only featured in about 12 minutes of a 2 hour movie, as Mert was featured in only about the same amount of time. The movie does not explain bicycle suspension design, however the segment about Mert Lawwill and his motorcycle racing career might give you some background on where the idea came from.

    In a lot of people's opinion the Lawwill design was the first functioning design that all others are created from, in fact some would argue that the FSR design came from the Lawwill design.

    So, again your comments just seemed like you didn't really know what you were talking about, but I must remind myself that this is the interwebs and most people on the interwebs were created in the matrix and don't really know anything anyway.

    In the end, who cares, the guy has a very nice bike and that is all that matters anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    I was being nice by using the word "silly" as the Lawwill design is the predecessor to the FSR design (note the basic trapezoid shape common to both designs) which, when you think about it is nothing like VPP (Virtual Pivot Point) or DW-Link systems, Except all these designs are intended to isolate braking forces from from suspension movement (eliminated brake squat, or brake jack as some refer to it). So the only reason I thought you looked "silly" was your comment about VPP and DW-Link, and how they aren't really like the Lawwill design at all.
    Ok, so that still begs the question, that if the lawwill suspension design was intended to do the same thing as VPP/DW link designs, why does it need a floating brake?

    I thought that the point of a floating brake is to eliminate brake jack in simpler suspension designs such as single pivots, and the point of suspension designs such as vpp/dw is to have a suspension design that eliminates brake jack without a floater.

    I was just wondering why a bike with such a suspension design would need a floating brake. It just seems like redundant systems.

    I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm genuinely curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesh to Steel
    Ok, so that still begs the question, that if the lawwill suspension design was intended to do the same thing as VPP/DW link designs, why does it need a floating brake?

    I thought that the point of a floating brake is to eliminate brake jack in simpler suspension designs such as single pivots, and the point of suspension designs such as vpp/dw is to have a suspension design that eliminates brake jack without a floater.

    I was just wondering why a bike with such a suspension design would need a floating brake. It just seems like redundant systems.

    I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm genuinely curious.
    Are you sure that what you are seeing as a brake floater is not just the normal suspension link? I don't see any floater, but my eyes are old and my near-vision ain't so good anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    mindless drivel....
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    beefy rear linkage

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    Are you sure that what you are seeing as a brake floater is not just the normal suspension link? I don't see any floater, but my eyes are old and my near-vision ain't so good anymore.
    HAHAHA

    I just got home from work and now that i'm looking at the pictures on my laptop monitor (I was on my phone before) I don't see ANYTHING that looks like a floating brake. I was just going off the comment that "albertomannil" made which mentioned a floating brake.

    I do see a little bit of extra material on the linkage near the brake mount, and a floating brake is mentioned on Rotec's website, so I'm still wondering what the deal is. To me it would make sense for it to not have a floater, but maybe there's something I'm missing.

    Anyone care to fill in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.
    yay, another tool to add to the ignore list. haven't added someone in a long time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesh to Steel
    I do see a little bit of extra material on the linkage near the brake mount, and a floating brake is mentioned on Rotec's website, so I'm still wondering what the deal is. To me it would make sense for it to not have a floater, but maybe there's something I'm missing.
    I see it too. Looks just like the floater on my Yeti DH-9.

    And I just realized that the Rotec RL-9 is a newer, perhaps better version of the DH-9.

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    the parallelogram linkage that the rear brake is mounted to is called a "floating brake mount." c'mon everyone, say it with me now "floating brake mount"...



    a lawwill rear end without a floating brake is called an ejector seat. there is a reason you will never see one without a floating brake....


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    Yes, I saw that on the Rotec site.

    I will have to print a retraction in the "Mindless Drivel News"

    I am wrong

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    there is a Floater

    I thought I read some info. about the Lawwill design that said it didn't need one, but as WCH said, mindless drivel, and I'm wrong. (the info I read may have been in some 20 something year old cycleworld magazine or some such thing)

    So, now I'm confused, isn't the Lawwill design the "original" FSR design and by design eliminates braking forces?

    Interesting comment, "ejector seat" so without it when you grab the brakes it "ejects" you over the bars, ouch that sounds fun.

    So how does this bike ride compared to other designs? The difference is the "plane" the rear axle is one, right? (not the axle path, but which plane of the Trapizoid the axle is one)

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    looks CHA-CHING!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    Yes, I saw that on the Rotec site.

    I will have to print a retraction in the "Mindless Drivel News"

    I am wrong

    Others are right

    there is a Floater

    I thought I read some info. about the Lawwill design that said it didn't need one, but as WCH said, mindless drivel, and I'm wrong. (the info I read may have been in some 20 something year old cycleworld magazine or some such thing)

    So, now I'm confused, isn't the Lawwill design the "original" FSR design and by design eliminates braking forces?


    maybe you just need to watch"on any sunday" again

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    Looks sexy. What's the weight and price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklemeat
    maybe you just need to watch"on any sunday" again

    Yes, I do need to watch it again, because it is a great film

    watching it won't give me any insight into the function of the Lawwill suspension but great background knowledge on Mert, who is one bada$$ dude


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    I like the twist shifter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Havoc
    ...Interesting comment, "ejector seat" so without it when you grab the brakes it "ejects" you over the bars, ouch that sounds fun..
    almost all suspension designs without a floater will cause the rear end to compress when you grab a handfull of brake(brake squat(which 99.9% of people are talking about when they say "brake jack")) making the wheelbase shorter. the lawwill design without a floater, causing the rear end to extend (brake jack) and makes the wheelbase longer. the jack makes the bike an ejector seat as the suspension extends from a sag position to a top out position...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motoxpro
    I like the twist shifter.
    you would. i bet you twist it and go "braaapt!"...


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