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    How do Angle Sets work?

    I am considering getting a new front triangle made for my Foes FXR, primarily to get a longer top tube, but at the same time get a 1.5" head tube.

    This will allow me to run an angle set and slacken the bike out a bit.

    how do these work?

    Will my current 1 1/8" Fox 36 work with these?

    Who are the main manufacturers?

    Any considerations I should be aware of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    I am considering getting a new front triangle made for my Foes FXR, primarily to get a longer top tube, but at the same time get a 1.5" head tube.

    This will allow me to run an angle set and slacken the bike out a bit.

    how do these work?

    Will my current 1 1/8" Fox 36 work with these?

    Who are the main manufacturers?

    Any considerations I should be aware of?
    Alright, so imagine your 1.5" head tube, now imagine your 1.125" steer tube. Just like a asian trying to put it in a hooker, you can imagine that putting that steer tube in that head tube will be like shoving a hot dog down a hallway. So you have all that extra room in there. Now imagine with that extra room that you could just tilt the steer tube of your fork, and it is no longer running parallel to the head tube. If the steer tube and head tube were parallel, there would be a 0* difference in angle. If you tilt it in the steer tube, say to 1.5*, then filled in the space (with a angleset headset) around the steer tube so that it stays in place, then you have slackened the head angle by 1.5* relative to its previous head tube angle. So instead of your head tube and steer tube looking like this I I I I, it looks like this I \ \ I. Got it? Main manufacturers are Works, K9 industries, and now Cane Creek. Cane Creek is a 1 size fits all and easier install, but due to varying heat tube lengths you may end up with something different by a few fraction of degrees from what they say you will get, like you will have 1.4* or 1.6* when they advertise 1.5* (I dont know by what margin they can be off though). K9 is custom for the specific head tube length, but you have to be a little bit more precise. I'm not sure about Works. Yes your fox fork will work. No these wont work in a tapered headtube, only 1.5". Consider that you may want to ride your bike for a while before you throw in a angleset just to make sure you want to go spending the money on it, but if you do that make sure to leave enough extra steer tube on (dont cut it too much), or if its already cut down make sure that you have enough extra length before you go buying an angleset. I think I covered it all, I'm gonna go grab another beer.

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    It will be cheaper to buy another complete bicycle with the features you want out of the box.
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    Magic. Cane Creek has a patent on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4JawChuck
    It will be cheaper to buy another complete bicycle with the features you want out of the box.
    A new bike is cheaper than a new headset?

    Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCactus
    Alright, so imagine your 1.5" head tube, now imagine your 1.125" steer tube. Just like a asian trying to put it in a hooker, you can imagine that putting that steer tube in that head tube will be like shoving a hot dog down a hallway. So you have all that extra room in there. Now imagine with that extra room that you could just tilt the steer tube of your fork, and it is no longer running parallel to the head tube. If the steer tube and head tube were parallel, there would be a 0* difference in angle. If you tilt it in the steer tube, say to 1.5*, then filled in the space (with a angleset headset) around the steer tube so that it stays in place, then you have slackened the head angle by 1.5* relative to its previous head tube angle. So instead of your head tube and steer tube looking like this I I I I, it looks like this I \ \ I. Got it? Main manufacturers are Works, K9 industries, and now Cane Creek. Cane Creek is a 1 size fits all and easier install, but due to varying heat tube lengths you may end up with something different by a few fraction of degrees from what they say you will get, like you will have 1.4* or 1.6* when they advertise 1.5* (I dont know by what margin they can be off though). K9 is custom for the specific head tube length, but you have to be a little bit more precise. I'm not sure about Works. Yes your fox fork will work. No these wont work in a tapered headtube, only 1.5". Consider that you may want to ride your bike for a while before you throw in a angleset just to make sure you want to go spending the money on it, but if you do that make sure to leave enough extra steer tube on (dont cut it too much), or if its already cut down make sure that you have enough extra length before you go buying an angleset. I think I covered it all, I'm gonna go grab another beer.
    Thanks for your help! I will start looking around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    A new bike is cheaper than a new headset?

    Wow.

    you mentioned a new front triangle. don't know if it's warranty but it looks from your post you are talking about a partial frame along with an angleset

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    you mentioned a new front triangle. don't know if it's warranty but it looks from your post you are talking about a partial frame along with an angleset
    "primarily to get a longer top tube"
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    Think about ordering the front triangle with a 1 degree slacker than stock angle, then use the Cane Creek HS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana
    Think about ordering the front triangle with a 1 degree slacker than stock angle, then use the Cane Creek HS...
    I was thinking that - except the angleset will allow me to play around with it.

    I still haven't gotten pricing back from Foes, but they mentioned doing a partial trade in on my existing front triangle.

    I wonder if iscg mounts fit on the FXR??
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    Just what in the hell is going on here?

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    First its a triangle, then its a headset.

    Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcook1989
    Magic. Cane Creek has a patent on it.
    ive heard it has something to do with unicorns and double rainbows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    I am considering getting a new front triangle made for my Foes FXR, primarily to get a longer top tube, but at the same time get a 1.5" head tube.

    This will allow me to run an angle set and slacken the bike out a bit.

    how do these work?

    Will my current 1 1/8" Fox 36 work with these?

    Who are the main manufacturers?

    Any considerations I should be aware of?
    Update.

    Custom front triangle. Longer TT, longer seat tube, 1.5" headtube.

    Notice the forward shock mount is different, too.

    Angleset is on order as well.

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    That is beautiful. Congrats
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    Prolly a moot point now...
    but if you are going/already went custom for the front triangle, why not just have the head angle you're shooting for built into the geo?
    I can see going the route you did then being able to monkey with the HA via angleset, but that's about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowMongoose
    Prolly a moot point now...
    but if you are going/already went custom for the front triangle, why not just have the head angle you're shooting for built into the geo?
    I can see going the route you did then being able to monkey with the HA via angleset, but that's about it?
    It's all about being able to "monkey with it" as you said.

    Options are GOOD!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCactus
    Alright, so imagine your 1.5" head tube, now imagine your 1.125" steer tube. Just like a asian trying to put it in a hooker, .
    dumbest comment ever...bit insecure are we?

    you probably pay for Hookers just to get sex, or good chance you have never had it...

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    I have no idea how that frame is going to perform, but visually those pics are quite stunning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody
    I have no idea how that frame is going to perform, but visually those pics are quite stunning!
    The suspension is unchanged from stock, so it will ride just like my current FXR- which I really like as an all around bike. It has 6.5" travel, and still pedals very well.

    I am 6'4" tall, though and always felt a little cramped on their size large. I am looking forward to the longer top tube and being able to play around with the head angle.
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    Foes did that for you im assuming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadatbirth
    Foes did that for you im assuming?
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    Looks flexy!

    I've read that the Angle Set requires removing the head set anytime you want to change the steer tube angle, so not an adjustment possible to do without a headset tool, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby

    I've read that the Angle Set requires removing the head set anytime you want to change the steer tube angle, so not an adjustment possible to do without a headset tool, I guess.
    correct, the top cup needs to be removed in order to change the angle. their website says so too.
    thankfully my M9 has a pinch bolt for the upper cup to make removal easy.

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    I recently installed an AngleSet in my Intense 6.6 and am really loving it. The ability to slacken by 1 deg, though I had my questions if I would really notice, has made a remarkable difference in the downhill stability on my local rocky and rooty trails. Note to installer though, the gimbals can be a real bugger to get tight w/out squeaks straight out of the box...we fiddled with it a couple of times after install (mid-ride) before it really seemed to settle. Great product though, not cheap, but a load cheaper than a new bike or custom frame. 4 rides since install and am really loving how it is working. BTW, Fox 36 air, RP23, basic AM setup, really good times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadatbirth
    correct, the top cup needs to be removed in order to change the angle. their website says so too.
    thankfully my M9 has a pinch bolt for the upper cup to make removal easy.
    It appears from the CC web site, AngleSet has no 0' angle option, to run the frame's designed head angle. Maybe 1/2 degree isn't really noticeable. Tweaking sag heights front to rear easily does as much to adjust handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    It appears from the CC web site, AngleSet has no 0' angle option, to run the frame's designed head angle. Maybe 1/2 degree isn't really noticeable. Tweaking sag heights front to rear easily does as much to adjust handling.
    They do this because all their other headsets already do a 0 degree angle change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    It appears from the CC web site, AngleSet has no 0' angle option, to run the frame's designed head angle. Maybe 1/2 degree isn't really noticeable. Tweaking sag heights front to rear easily does as much to adjust handling.
    there is a 0* option.
    i got one with my M9. it looks similar to the bottom cup, but is a bit different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missoularider
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    This explains it pretty well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by asin
    This explains it pretty well.

    here's a good video on them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    here's a good video on them.


    here it is all built up. I need to clean up the cable routing, still. The new frame has different cable guides and routes - and required longer brake lines and such.
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    Sweetness! Looks like you went with a -1 degree on the Angleset...

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    It appears from the CC web site, AngleSet has no 0' angle option, to run the frame's designed head angle. Maybe 1/2 degree isn't really noticeable. Tweaking sag heights front to rear easily does as much to adjust handling.
    I've been exchanging emails with Cane Creek on this very subject. In order to run 0 degree, you need to purchase an additional 0 degree headset cup, part number
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCactus
    Cane Creek is a 1 size fits all and easier install, but due to varying heat tube lengths you may end up with something different by a few fraction of degrees from what they say you will get, like you will have 1.4* or 1.6* when they advertise 1.5* (I dont know by what margin they can be off though).
    According to Cane Creek their angle calculations are based on a 120 mm headtube.It's easy to calculate angle changes for other length headtubes with a bit of trigonometry.For example: a 100 mm headtube with 1.5 degree cups will really make for a 1.8 degree change, a 140 mm headtube and said cups will make for a 1.3 degree change, and so on...

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