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    Formula K24 or Elixir R

    Hey,

    As some of you know, I have a 2010 Demo 8I on the way. I have already bought a few parts to upgrade and have a set of White K24 brakes that I bought right before I sold my Morewood. I only got to ride the rear K24 for about 5 mins on my hardtail, and then I broke my wrist. When I fell I scratched the lever pretty bad, but other then that the set is brand new.

    Now to the point. I need some money for my bike, and am wondering if I should sell the K24s or keep them and sell the brand new Elixirs. I don't know the power difference and I really have no comparison on either brake. The modulation on the K24s are amazing, but I have never used the Elixirs and testing my friends are out of the question since im in a cast for another 4 weeks.

    So any feedback on either brakes would be greatly appreciated,

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    dude keep the k24s. i have had a set for almost 3 years and they are an amazing brake.
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    Formula, Formula, Formula!!! I have Oro Puros and The Ones and they blow away the craptastic Juicy 7s and Elixirs I had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnesia
    Formula, Formula, Formula!!! I have Oro Puros and The Ones and they blow away the craptastic Juicy 7s and Elixirs I had before.
    Do you feel like the K24s have more power, cuz im a 5'11" 190lb 17 y/o who likes to push limits, especially slowing down at the last possible second. So I need good power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidownhiller
    Do you feel like the K24s have more power, cuz im a 5'11" 190lb 17 y/o who likes to push limits, especially slowing down at the last possible second. So I need good power.
    Then get a set of the sintered pads that they use on the Bianco and you're SET!

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    Keep the K24's. If you want more power, upgrade to Formula Ones.

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    IMO, the k24 does not have more power than the Elixir. The k24 and the Juicy are actually very similar systems... seeing as Formula designed the Juicy, and then used the design for their brakes too.

    But... you already have the Formula brakes. If you're satisfied with them, keep them.

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    I do not have any experience with the K24, but coming from a 6'0 180lb guy that has elixirs on his DH rig, they are plenty powerful enough for me and have great modulation, I love them.

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    I had k18's. Granted they had great power and modulation. The one area where they lack is with replacement parts, both cost and availability. My new Elixir's, which I have both R's and CR's have performed flawlessly. To me, they feel as goood if not better than the Formulas. Replacement parts are cheaper and readily available.

    I'd listen to XSL Will. If you like the K24's keep 'em. I just wouldn't sink any money into them. Once they go... go Elixir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romar
    I had k18's. Granted they had great power and modulation. The one area where they lack is with replacement parts, both cost and availability. My new Elixir's, which I have both R's and CR's have performed flawlessly. To me, they feel as goood if not better than the Formulas. Replacement parts are cheaper and readily available.

    I'd listen to XSL Will. If you like the K24's keep 'em. I just wouldn't sink any money into them. Once they go... go Elixir.
    The thing is, I don't know if I like the Formulas cuz Ive only used them once. Buy if the Elixirs are more powerful then I want them. Plus I need the money for my new bike. Replacement parts wouldn't be an issue with the formulas though, I grom at a shop in Petaluma where one of the Formula US rep places is, and a good friend of mine works for Formula.

    ......So if anyone wants a pair of Formula K24s pm me, and we can work something out. I think MSRP on them is $220 a piece w/out hardware and I am going to let them go for FAR less with rear 6 and 8 in adapter, Id love to hook someone up here on MTBR rather then wait through mind numbing messages on PB..

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    I've been using the Elixir R's that came stock on my Demo and have had about a year on them. I really like them over something like Hayes. I've had ones where I just am on the brake constantly and runs where I pull them last second and they have performed flawlessly. No boiling, slippage, anything. They are powerful for me too. I weigh 160, 167 or so with gear and I've always only used one finger on each lever and they stop when I want them to.
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    I run K24s with the sintered pads. outstanding brake. i have 3 sets of oros -- two sets of K24s, and some oro biancos. I prefer the K24 for my AM and FR bikes; the wider lever is better for hard braking.

    avids are fine, but in no way would i consider them a step up from the proven quality and long-term reliability of formulas.
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    Formula K24 look similar to Juicy 7 but they are WAY more pwerful... if you like to block your wheel go with Avid, if you want strong modulation, very very strong modulation, go with K24.. please do not compared K24 with Juicy 7... seriously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard4620383
    Formula K24 look similar to Juicy 7 but they are WAY more pwerful... if you like to block your wheel go with Avid, if you want strong modulation, very very strong modulation, go with K24.. please do not compared K24 with Juicy 7... seriously..


    Whatever. I see we have a bunch of Formula fanboys that have probably never ridden comprable setups. It's obviously not fair to compare a 203mm k24 setup with metallic pads to a 160mm J7 with organic. Formula makes a decent brake. But it is extremely overhyped on these forums. They have more than their fair share of problems. It is not the magical end-all to brakes. The performance is marginally better than J7. The design is similar but refined. They are certainly not more powerful than Elixirs.

    A German magazine does brake tests and uses brake dynos...

    The Elixir is better than the Hope M4. Pretty spectacular given that it's lighter and has two less pistons.




    Formula levers don't play nice with Shimano shifters. The vent is under the clamp. DOT fluid can leak through this pinhole vent. This has destroyed carbon bars and has not been an isolated issue. The have MC problems, cheap finishing, poor tolerances, etc. Are all other brands exempt from these problems? No. But I'm just saying that Formulas are not necessarily better or worse than other brakes on the market.
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    I have the Formula K24s and the Elixir CRs and don't notice much difference as far as power. I think the K24s have marginally better modulation than the Elixirs, but they are finicky as hell.

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    Like I said., I am gonna go for something new, as I have never owned Avids and a buddy of mine is loving his new Elixirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidownhiller
    Like I said., I am gonna go for something new, as I have never owned Avids and a buddy of mine is loving his new Elixirs.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...T#ht_500wt_959
    I think starting that auction at $200 is a little high. Granted they are still brand new practically, they are scratched and that depreciates the value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specializedbeta18
    I think starting that auction at $200 is a little high. Granted they are still brand new practically, they are scratched and that depreciates the value.
    I know, but they were close to 400 new, so I don't think I scratch knocks off $200. I don't know how to put a reserve on too. I hope to just get at least 200 so I only need one bid to sell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidownhiller
    I know, but they were close to 400 new, so I don't think I scratch knocks off $200. I don't know how to put a reserve on too. I hope to just get at least 200 so I only need one bid to sell them.
    I thought you said they were $220 msrp (on your auction page?)
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    xslwill, he spekinz da troof

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    Quote Originally Posted by specializedbeta18
    I thought you said they were $220 msrp (on your auction page?)
    They are, but I didn't pay msrp for them.

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    if you go Avid, go for the Elixir CR
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8664
    if you go Avid, go for the Elixir CR
    Im going with the OE Elixir R's that come one the Demo 81

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    Ive stop coming to MTB forums since i cant stand Forums guru's like you, because each time it looks like we have to send our CV to everybody before posting. SO to help you understand what i use so far in my career:

    Hope M4
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    Juicy 7
    Avid Code
    Formula Oro
    Formula K24
    Juicy Carbon

    this is not what i did try once, thats what i had on my bikes... if you need more information dont hesitate but please WILL as you always do, your not the only one on this planet that knows something.. Thank you

    in my own opinion and my own taste, Juicy 7, neither Codes, or Carbons, cant compared to my K24 that i had, i hate blocking my wheels and i feel Avid modulation is not in the same league as the Formula K24... and by the way there is no issue getting parts for these brakes, its not HARD, and they are reliable, numerous crash witthout breaking one lever..


    Quote Originally Posted by XSL_WiLL


    Whatever. I see we have a bunch of Formula fanboys that have probably never ridden comprable setups. It's obviously not fair to compare a 203mm k24 setup with metallic pads to a 160mm J7 with organic. Formula makes a decent brake. But it is extremely overhyped on these forums. They have more than their fair share of problems. It is not the magical end-all to brakes. The performance is marginally better than J7. The design is similar but refined. They are certainly not more powerful than Elixirs.

    A German magazine does brake tests and uses brake dynos...

    The Elixir is better than the Hope M4. Pretty spectacular given that it's lighter and has two less pistons.




    Formula levers don't play nice with Shimano shifters. The vent is under the clamp. DOT fluid can leak through this pinhole vent. This has destroyed carbon bars and has not been an isolated issue. The have MC problems, cheap finishing, poor tolerances, etc. Are all other brands exempt from these problems? No. But I'm just saying that Formulas are not necessarily better or worse than other brakes on the market.

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    If you are saying that the k24s have more power than a Code, you are mistaken.

    The k24s are slightly more refined than a Juicy. But a comparable setup between the two won't be leaps and bounds different as far as performance goes.

    And the question isn't about a Juicy anyways, it's about the ELIXIR. The ELIXIR is far more powerful and has far better modulation than the Juicy or the Formula.

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    The Elixir has plenty of power but in no way modulates nearly as well as any Formula Oro brake, and yes I have time on both.
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    j7 Elix and oro look very similar...but something about the oros just make them perform better right out of the box, and keep working without flaw. maybe QA and leverage design is just simply better on the oros. Never ever ever did i EVER like avids performance, even when performing properly except when they came out with their first tri-align canti-brake..those were the CHIKESZNIT.

    and that allegation about weep holes causing brake fluid to eat away at carbon bars is a pure ROFLMAO.

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    I am no longer going to argue about the power or modulation of Elixir vs Oro. Obviously I have my own opinion that differs from other posters.

    Elixir is nothing like the J7 or Oro.

    Quote Originally Posted by misctwo
    and that allegation about weep holes causing brake fluid to eat away at carbon bars is a pure ROFLMAO.
    Do a search. I have seen at least 2 threads on MTBR and I have seen at least one come through the shop. Is it necessarily detrimental to the bars? Most likely not. But it does eat the clear coat and look nasty.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...formula+carbon
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...formula+carbon
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...formula+carbon <- Same user, but more anecdotes

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8664
    if you go Avid, go for the Elixir CR

    i have had the CR's for about a 10 months now, by far the best brake i have used to date, the amount of adjustablity with them is awesome. you cant compare the k24 to the elixir because the k24 is a refined j7, but the elixir is leaps forward of both brakes, and sram tech support and warranty is top notch. just my opinion elixirs are the sh*t. im not an expert just one who likes to ride.
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    Hey, whatever happened to the good old days when "Codes" was the magical, one-word answer to ALL brake-related threads? Now it is all so confusing.

    Codes.

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    i have owned/tried just about most of the major brakes out on the market and the formulas are top in my book as far as stopping power and modulation.

    anybody that has problems are most likely from crashing or improper setup. i am running k24's on six of my bikes and "the ones" on my dh bike. due to switching parts around from winter to the rest of the year, the k24's ended up on my dh bike and i only under very extreme conditions did i notice any difference.
    because of my poor vision and riding way too fast i tend to punish my brakes.



    rotor size will show more difference. you cannot compare one brake to another if the rotors are different sizes.

    keep the formulas, you will be happier in the long run.
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