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    EVIL DOC short for Long?

    Long shot but figured I'd at least ask.........

    I just got an Evil DOC, black, short and have to admit to myself that it's too small for me. I really like the short chainstays and the way the rear end feels but I'm just not comfortable with the stretch on the front (or lack of it).

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    If anyone has a large they're not happy with and would be interested in a trade, let me know. Mine has about 4 rides on it, all on dirt, no concrete and is still in pretty much new condition.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    Long shot but figured I'd at least ask.........

    I just got an Evil DOC, black, short and have to admit to myself that it's too small for me. I really like the short chainstays and the way the rear end feels but I'm just not comfortable with the stretch on the front (or lack of it).

    SO

    If anyone has a large they're not happy with and would be interested in a trade, let me know. Mine has about 4 rides on it, all on dirt, no concrete and is still in pretty much new condition.

    i was gonna get one of those..... but decided to get a specialist instead.


    looks cool IMO, but isn't the top tube supposed to be pretty long on those? that's one of the things that made me get the ells instead.

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    kidwoo, how tall are you because i was thinking about getting one? right now i ride a p1 small and i dont like the front foot/wheel interference i get doing x-ups. hows the wheel/foot clearance on that frame size? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBsoxB
    i was gonna get one of those..... but decided to get a specialist instead.


    looks cool IMO, but isn't the top tube supposed to be pretty long on those? that's one of the things that made me get the ells instead.
    That's the problem. The top tube measurement is misleading. I've already learned this lesson, I don't know why I let myself get duped again. Top tube measurements on jump bikes or DH bikes don't mean squat. It's too dependent on seat tube angle and things like fork height, wheel size etc. The claimed TT on this frame is 23.15". My xc frame has this same TT measurement and it's definitely longer in the front.

    This "theoretical" top tube crap depends on a horizontal line. That line will always be horizontal of course but the position of the bike relative to that line changes every time you put a 24" wheel on the back, put a different size fork on it, change headsets with different stack heights etc......... So your endpoints change relative to the line every time you change an angle on your setup.

    Much more useful is a downtube measurement. BB to headtube center. This gives a true length between your two points of contact....pedals and hands and doesn't rely on the totally irrelevant position of your seat.

    Anyway.....the downtube measurement on this frame is 25" pretty close to most of the dj specific frames that come in one size. Measure your ellsworth, I bet it's pretty close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpl3000
    kidwoo, how tall are you because i was thinking about getting one? right now i ride a p1 small and i dont like the front foot/wheel interference i get doing x-ups. hows the wheel/foot clearance on that frame size? thanks.

    I'm 5' 7". I've got 170mm cranks on this thing and I don't hit my foot on x-ups or the little dinky barspin wheelie things. Incidently, a friend of mine who's about 6' something rides this size. He's a pro jibber street guy who still rides a 20" so he digs the shortness.

    I should say this.....by jumpbike standards this is NOT a small frame. It's pretty much on par with most of the frames in this niche. I personally just like longer front ends. It's me, not the bike.

    If you're serious, PM me your phone number or email address. I'd be willing to send you the frame plus a little bit of cash for shipping and/or to make up for the fact that mine has been ridden a bit and it sounds like you'd be trading me a brand new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    I'm 5' 7". I've got 170mm cranks on this thing and I don't hit my foot on x-ups or the little dinky barspin wheelie things. Incidently, a friend of mine who's about 6' something rides this size. He's a pro jibber street guy who still rides a 20" so he digs the shortness.

    I should say this.....by jumpbike standards this is NOT a small frame. It's pretty much on par with most of the frames in this niche. I personally just like longer front ends. It's me, not the bike.

    If you're serious, PM me your phone number or email address. I'd be willing to send you the frame plus a little bit of cash for shipping and/or to make up for the fact that mine has been ridden a bit and it sounds like you'd be trading me a brand new one.

    oh no, nothing to trade here, mines no where near new. infact its has a puncture wound in the down tube from an incident involving a gaurdrail. i'm just looking for something new and i'd like it to be steel so the doc was an option. i think i may go for 170 cranks, 24" wheels and get the new p1 steel frame. i really dig the p1 geometry just not the foot/wheel thing, but i guess thats a consequence of the geometry i really dig. hmmm what to do.

    how would you say this measures up to the P frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpl3000
    how would you say this measures up to the P frames?
    The construction on these is better than the p frames and even though it's steel, it's stiffer than the aluminum ones. This frame is a rock.

    I looked at the specialized bikes in great detail when I was shopping around and was REALLY close to getting the p-street or p-chromo. The evils are more well thought out with the adjustable dropout plates and just the overall construction. That's why I want the same frame, just bigger.

    Don't get me wrong, the P bikes are really nice. You'd be happy with just about any one of them. I wanted this to be the last hardtail I ever get so I just went with the gucci frame. The good thing about the specialized bikes is that you can get a complete for a decent price.

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    o man that sucks, i bought an azonicsteelhead small frame, and i hatede it for the first month, i was looking to trade it, being 6'3 on a small frame sucks, so i just got a longer stem, the race face one, and i grew into it, every now and then i wish i had a large though, good luck in finding someone to trade with,
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