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    Enduro or SX trail

    I'm torn guys. I've heard all of the "depends on your riding style shiz." I'm looking for honest answers. Will this carbon Demo do what Matt Hunter and others say it will..stand up to real free ride...although I've always seen them on demos.. or is it a hunk of bs b/c they are sponsored by them? Don't get me wrong, Hunter is my hero, but sponsorship does crazy things to people..I know first hand. I'm just looking for a lighter bike than my 09 sx trail. Thanks!

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    There is no carbon demo...

    And do you want advice on an enduro or a demo vs. your SX Trail ?
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    new 11 spec enduro evo what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamL3227
    new 11 spec enduro evo what you want.
    Looks cool, but those proprietary shock links kind of suck, and why not just set the fork to 180 ? I would much rather take a new sx trail over an enduro Evo
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    Isn't there a pretty big difference in geo between the two bikes? Also, depending on your level of abuse, the carbon frame may "take it" but what always scares me about carbon is if I let go of the bike & it hits a rock, carbon starts to degrade after it has been penetrated, whereas alum just dents. Granted the Carbon bikes of today are likely stronger/ better than the last carbon I had, but mine seemed pretty sketchy after it got tagged by a rock after a crash.
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    The original question makes no sense.

    Here's my 2 cents anyways.

    If you asking what bike you should get between the Enduro or SX Trail then yes, sorry to say but it depends on what you want to accomplish on a ride.
    I have owned a 2009 SX T and sold it for an M5 Enduro. I don't miss the SX T one bit and I've been riding them since 2006.

    Think of the SX T as a 6 inch Demo (err for 2011 a Demo 7)
    It kills the DH and is not so great climbing....but possible.

    The Enduro is a true ALL MOUNTAIN trail bike. You can climb to the top with ease and hit the DH hard and it holds up awesome.
    It has the same chainstay length as an SX Trail. .5 degree more forward headtube than an SX T and a shorter top tube than one too.

    IMO the Enduro is an amazing bike and lives up to the hype. Everytime I ride mine I am just stoked as hell.

    Now if you talking about a CARBON ENDURO (there is no Carbon Demo)...yes at 27lbs this is the ultimate AM rig.
    Should you hit kickers and drops on it...I would say no. If your more into that type of riding get the SX T.
    The Enduro is not a hucker jumper.

    As far as the hype goes for the Enduro, yes it's true. They've portrayed that bike as an AM bike and that is truely what it is. I've personally ridden with Bearclaw on his Carbon version and words can't describe how he handles that bike. Is he doing 360's and big drops on it...no. It's an AM bike. He uses his SXT for the hucker/jump stuff.

    Good luck, it really comes down to what your riding style will be, which you did not state.

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    I think the OP was just repeating sponsored riders describing the enduro carbon as "a short travel carbon demo" perhaps. Either way, it rides dreamy. Haven't seen or heard of any carnage pictures, but thats why you buy from a big company like spec, so they cover your ass.

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    Now about the warranty on the carbon S-Works Enduro.

    My dealer told me that the carbon frame is warrantied for life against manufacturer defects to the original owner (you must have proof of purchase). Now if you break the carbon frame because you did something crazy, then my particular bike dealer said they can get a replacement frame for 10% above what Specializes charges them at the time. And it's up to Specialized to determine if a cracked frame is the result of a manufacturing defect or a result of rider doing crazy things and banging his frame on say a rock. So far, from the people who wrote about their warranty experience, it seems that S is pretty lenient in their inspection when a user send in a cracked frame. In general, i think a cracked in the seatpost or anywhere near the pivot or bottom bracket will be seen as a manufacturing defect. But if you crack the top tube in a nasty crunchy way, then S ain't gonna warrant it for free (you'll have to pay). A crack in the bottom tube is debatable if you can provide evidence. If your LBS is willing to work with you to argue your case, then it will go a long way (that's why it's important to find a big and reputable LBS if you're going to get Specialized, to make sure the LBS will still be there for years to come). You have to remember that S doesn't deal with you directly, but deals with the LBS. So LBS can make a huge difference with it comes to warranty.

    Also, I believe that S carbon (2007 or later) is of very high quality. All carbon are not created equal. When I look at the carbon weave pattern on an Enduro, it looks like the weaving on those expensive race car hoods and trunk lids (that BMW guys run). Compare this to an Ibis, I notice that the carbon use in Ibis is different. Sounds different when you knock on it, and looks different to the eyes. I'm not carbon expert, so I'm just guessing here.

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    Good job! thanks

    ya, I had a bit to drink when I posted this last night, so I'm sorry for the confusion. The title was right, I'm looking at the enduro carbon or upgrading into the new sx T with compression adj. rear and a ti spring (now that they make them). I do go down drops and hit every kicker trick I can. I did demo an aluminum enduro and loved the geometry for peddling and single track....but I didn't get a chance to huck or go down the normal drops that I usually do. When I went to Downieville, over half the guys on the shuttles had enduros. When I went to North Star, everyone had DH bikes. I didn't see one enduro there. I want to do the long peddles too is my problem...and I don't want the cost and maintenance of owning two bikes : /. When Matt Hunter said that the enduro could pretty much be hucked into the unknown..it got me thinking I didn't need all the extra weight of my sx t. Then I saw other opinions about the enduro being able to do anything at whistler...which is one of the places I want to take this bike. I figured someone on here has had to make this decision, I'm just wondering what you went with and why Thanks again!

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    Thanks Snow-man, I'll probably have to go with the SXT, I hope it comes in flat black :P

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    To give you an idea of what the Enduros can handle, here's a little video of me riding the Enduro SL (2007). It held up OK for moderate freeriding (had it for 18 months), one snapped chainstay was the only failure I had, but the frame was starting to feel sorry for itself by the time I sold it. The new Enduro (especially the Evo) is supposed to be much more capable of withstanding abuse, so it would probably be OK (depending on how big you go)...but still, I would have to say go with the SXT if you want peace of mind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonvivant
    Thanks Snow-man, I'll probably have to go with the SXT, I hope it comes in flat black :P

    yeah dude, if you thinkin Whistler, N*, etc. go for the SX T. your going to have way more fun on it there than an Enduro.

    Just lighten her up as much as possible and try to get a fork with ETA or travel adjust for climbing if you want to do some long rides.

    "Huck an enduro into the unknown"...hhhmm yyyeah I don't know about that one....

    Like also posted above check out the Enduro EVO with a coil shock as well (2011 model)
    Keep in mind the 2011 SXT will be a 7 inch bike..so check weights.
    Or so what i did:

    Have a Demo for gravity days and have an Enduro for trail days...works perfect!

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    Like Iceman, I did also use the Enduro for light FR but eventually the bike just started to get trashed. It's a fun AM bike but not a huck bike.

    Upgrade to the SX Trail was just the way to go and I don't regret it. Amazing bike.

    If you can afford having both bikes, go for it, or put your SXT on a diet!

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    i was kind of in a similar boat...
    was looking for a pedal-friendly trail bike, that has a mini-DH feel.
    i needed something that i could pedal uphill and do some "XC" on, but something that would really rip up the DH and stand up to whatever abuse i threw at it.

    I thought long and hard about this, and went with the 2010 SX-Trail.
    Pretty damn happy I did, the bike is bang on what I was looking for. It pedals and climbs just fine, you won't see me breaking any climbing time records, but i get up the hill without any problems.
    On the way down, the bike truly feels like a mini Demo, that's really the only way to describe it. You very quickly forget that you're on a "smaller" bike, and charge everything as hard as you would on your DH rig. I can't say that I felt the same way about the Enduro. It felt like a very capable and burly trail bike, but a trail bike nonetheless.

    My build is porky - 38 pounds, but I built the frame up with components i had laying around from previous bikes. It'll easily be 36 without breaking a sweat.

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    Good job!

    [QUOTE=snow-man]
    Like also posted above check out the Enduro EVO with a coil shock as well (2011 model)
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    Snow-man, do you think the Evo will be able to handle the bigger stuff then? It's got a coil on the back, but you can put a cat in the oven, but that doesn't make it a buscuit I think I'd dig the evo if it rides like the org. enduro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blender
    I thought long and hard about this, and went with the 2010 SX-Trail.


    My build is porky - 38 pounds, but I built the frame up with components i had laying around from previous bikes. It'll easily be 36 without breaking a sweat.
    I'm hearing you blender, and I'm now set on the 2010 as well. My 09 is 34.5 LB right now in it's lighter set up, tires/tubes. I think 31LB is going to be as light as I can get her. I guess by sticking with the SX, I'll be getting a XC wheel set for epic days...possibly tubeless.

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    GO SXT

    I have my 2010 down to 32lbs

    Doesnt climb well, but i will take any air shock bike on any day with the descent!
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    I have an 07 SX Trail III...it's a f*ckin amazing bike and handles 10x better than my 08 Enduro SL....

    i also have a Demo 8 and the SX Trail feels like a mini version of the Demo....just way more flickable. I sold my Enduro SL and ride AM and FR with my SXT and leave the gnar stuff to my Demo....the only two bikes i will ever need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
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    The porn music in the 2nd 1/2 of this vid cracks me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple8Sol
    The porn music in the 2nd 1/2 of this vid cracks me up.
    That was written and performed by a good friend of mine (I played the drums BTW). This probably explains why he's not getting anywhere - he's targetting the wrong damn industry.


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    The EVO is def built up to take more abuse hence the bigger fork and coil rear. Me thinks it will put it in the realm of 2010 SX Trail land, seeing as how the 2011 SXT trail is a Demo 7 practically.

    I would not buy an Enduro with hucking and jumping in mind tho...SXT is your bike in that case.

    Also there are posts about the previous gen Enduro which is nothing like the current version. These bike ride completely different.

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    I took my 07 Pro Carb Enduro (more aggressive set up than stock) to North Star yesterday. I was the minority compared to the big bikes. Did 8 runs, 9700 descent, 20 miles. I was able to do everything the big bikes did. I thought it was normal to feel beat up until I rode my pals Santa Cruz Driver 8 and it's another world. Guys I rode with were surprised of what I tackled and said I pushed my Enduro beyond its limits.

    Depending on your skill level, balls and motivation the Enduro is not suited for N Star. I enjoy the technical rocky stuff. Tried Livewire and got some small air but Iím not comfortable off the ground mostly because Iím a new older rider. I'll never be a jumper - I think.

    My Enduro is perfect for Downieville (feels like it was made for that trail) and climbs somewhat well.

    So now I'm leaning towards a bigger bike for shuttle type runs or at minimum the new Enduro Evo but that may not be capable.

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    You sound like me man. I just got back from a trip that I did both n star and downivlle. 4 out of the 6 riders had enduros. I think I'm going to trade my SX in for a carbon enduro, since I do more peddling..and just rent a downhill bike when I do those bigger trips. I'll only have to take one bike that way..only have to do maintenance on one, and get the best of both.

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    man i would def get another sx trail - they can ride jump and huck anything! plus they are more agile than a demo/big hit.- the 2011 ones are looking sick aswell - def go for a sxtrail if ur riding is predominantly dh/fr - they can go uphill aswell - see the enduro and enduro evo can pedal up well but they dont have that same aggresive dh feel about them...hope this helps

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    Rent is a good idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonvivant
    You sound like me man. I just got back from a trip that I did both n star and downivlle. 4 out of the 6 riders had enduros. I think I'm going to trade my SX in for a carbon enduro, since I do more peddling..and just rent a downhill bike when I do those bigger trips. I'll only have to take one bike that way..only have to do maintenance on one, and get the best of both.
    Renting is smart especially when I only will go up 2-3 times a year.

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    The new 2011 SX Trail looks siiiick, and I may just start saving for one. But that's a pretty hefty frame and if I had to ride it outside of a bike park it would probably have me yelling expletives over any grade that's steeper than 10 percent, but that's what I have my Butcher and Stumpjumper for!

    I know you're looking at 2 Specialized bikes, but have you considered the Santa Cruz Nomad? Very similar geometry to the Enduro and it also has 160mm rear travel- and you can throw a 180mm fork on it if you so desire. Lotta folks in NorCal ride Nomads, never heard a bad thing said about them and they can handle some pretty heavy riding. The carbon Nomad is supposed to be extremely strong and stiff.

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    The Nomad is a great choice. Did a Downieville/Northstar/Tahoe weekend. Rode two different bikes (Cannondale Jekyll and Demo 9), whereas my buddy brought his Nomad, rode Downie/N*/ then Tahoe Flume trail all on the same bike, at the same pace as me. Truly a do all bike.

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    It's funny that you guys are talking about the very same trails I rode a month ago and had in mind when thinking about bikes. I did N. Star, Downieville, and the Flume trail on that trip. I have not looked at S cruise bikes yet, but my buddy is all about them. I guess subconsciously I was thinking more component transition..my already owned talas 160 being one of them.

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    If you're not a pro, and you ride an Enduro in Whistler, you will break the chainstays ... probably other stuff too. I see MAYBE 1 Enduro per day out here, and it's usually being ridden by a whaife, or someone going REALLY slow (even slower than me). I used to ride my 2003 Enduro out at Blue Mountain, but those runs were smooooooth.

    With my 2007 SX T equipped with pretty reasonable to heavy kit (older Deemaxs, Saint, Holzfeller), I commute, DH and do the XC trails with it and i'd say it's 'fine'. Is it "easy" to pedal like my hardtail? No, but I haven't broken anything, and I pick the worst lines in the world. Of the people who I know owning SX Trails (4 at least), NONE have broken their frames (all with the updated chainstay types). Compare this with every person I know breaking their Demo 8 (2006-ish type).

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