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    650b.....is the proof in the pudding?

    not an avid downhiller here but I have a question.... now that most whole bike industry is going 650b..... how is it affecting the downhill scene? are track records being broken? or has the field gotten faster as a whole? I hear the argument that sec make the difference in racing? but a good day and a bad day on either wheel size can me more than few more seconds. nowhere else than in downhill does steering and nimbleness come into play to making decisions and pushing limits. so whats the verdict in the dh scene? or is it negligible and helps the companies sell more bike for years to come. I would love to here what you guys think as I aspire to be an aggressive trail rider but I find the dh guys setting the standard for how fast you can go.

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    I think it's too early to tell; but this coming world cup season should give us some answers. Several of the world cup team bikes switched last year, even mid year like Santa Cruz. I know Josh Bryceland commented in a video that he felt like the new bike really helped him find his pace that took him to the top of the W.C. podium last year.

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    i don't care if i'm faster or not, the 27.5" wheels are more fun to ride for me. so much more edge grip/foot print feel...inspires a lot of confidence when pushing hard. it makes it easier to ride fast.

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    Mine is OK, i guess

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    FYI, 650b is the real deal.

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    Mine is on its way. I don't know if it's necessarily faster or more nimble per-se, but it's the direction that the industry is taking us. I wanted a new bike last year, but waited cause I saw a 650 Wilson in February that Smith would be trying out. At the first WC it seemed every team was on them, which tells me that the change was here. I love 26, but I feel much like they forced 26" hardtails to the grave, they're going to do it to the DH bikes too. Just something to think about.

    The rider (at the WC level) can ride a Huffy and win. So it's not what they think, but rather what they're given to race. Their feel will change the geo, but the marketing will determine their ride. Ttyl, Fahn
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    A team like Chain reaction races on 650b bikes, but their frame is only available in a 26in. I find it hard to believe the "huffy" analogy anymore. Those times are gone. Racing is more precise than ever.

    Look at some of Claudio's course previews... the trails are taped wide, and favor flat out speed. These are the ideal conditions for 650b wheels. Courses like Fort Bill, Windam, or Mount St. Anne, are perfect examples... long, rough, transfer sections.

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    well the numbers won't lie. im curious to see how they pan out....... I tripped out this was gee athertons take only just july last year. im not sure where hes at now. but fast forward to the 3:20 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsalW_txzA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustemuf View Post
    i don't care if i'm faster or not, the 27.5" wheels are more fun to ride for me. so much more edge grip/foot print feel...inspires a lot of confidence when pushing hard. it makes it easier to ride fast.
    What he said... let's just say I'm glad I got on the bus sooner rather than later.

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    personally i was wary of the 650b at first. but now that i built up my new bike with the bigger wheels and riding a ton of the new full suspensions around at the shop, i'm convinced. With the rocky terrain around here, it definitely rolls over the rocks and tech sections much easier. Plus, i'm a tall guy and I feel more comfortable on the bigger wheels. I didn't think that would be the case at first.

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    ^^ Ditto, I had NO intentions of going 650b... until I made the mistake of riding one! I was sure I wasn't going to like it - I've never been more wrong!

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    I will remain skeptical until I see real Pro DH race results over a number of years. Which may be kind of tough because with as many people switching over, how will we know if it's really better unless some are still on 26" wheels? No doubt, it is faster in some conditions -- but by how much??? Fractions of seconds, probably. I struggle to believe that 1" in diameter can make such a difference. Admittedly, I only have time on 29ers and 26ers to back my opinions. 29ers, in my experience, are SLOWER in tight, technical conditions. Didn't like the feel at all. But 650b is so close to 26," how can there be HUGE gains like people like to hype?

    One of my friends is unnaturally fast and just switched over to 650b this year -- I'll have to ask him to compare his times with that of last year on the same courses/trails.
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    mmm... Pudding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    ^^ Ditto, I had NO intentions of going 650b... until I made the mistake of riding one! I was sure I wasn't going to like it - I've never been more wrong!

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    Me too. I had just bought a new DH bike a year ago. After getting a 27.5 trail bike I realized that I had to switch for DH too. I didn't want to believe the hype, but its not hype if its true. 27.5 rules!650b.....is the proof in the pudding?-img_1203.jpg650b.....is the proof in the pudding?-img_1282.jpg

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    So how much faster are you, in seconds?
    Bikes belong in Wilderness areas.:)

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    Who cares. You won't have an option soon. Tire manufacturers aren't even developing new 26" tires anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ftbjoe View Post
    Who cares. You won't have an option soon. Tire manufacturers aren't even developing new 26" tires anymore.


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    how needs new tires developed when almost everyone just runs minions anyways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos View Post
    mmm... Pudding.
    Not gonna lie... BUTTERSCOTCH FTMFW

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookieMonster View Post
    I will remain skeptical .
    such a silly and obvious thing to say when you have never ridden a 650b DH bike. try it out, what do you have to lose. i believe 650b was market driven and not industry driven. there was a need for this after seeing the great benefits of a 29" wheel, but cutting back almost all the negatives. i wasn't on any hype train, i tried it and was blown away. i ride harder than most will, but i'm still just a regular dude and not a pro. i have nothing to endorse or convince people of, i just love this sport. i was sold after my first ride on a 650b bike.

    huge gains? i don't think the gains are made with the bike more than the rider...but the 'feel'... well, there is a big difference and i am faster because of that. i've never had more control and felt more confident in my riding than compared to now which is funny because i ride less and am older than ever as well!

    when i say 'feel' i am talking about the foot print..or the edge grip feel. it is just so much more forgiving when you want it to be, and so much more confident when you need to stick a line in sketchy conditions.

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    for me it's not about being faster. i could care less about that. It makes riding really techy stuff more fun for me because instead of getting bogged down, I cruise through at a much faster pace. Still technical and fun, but more efficient. = more riding.

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    i understand being skeptical. If 26 is better for you...than it's better for you! this is just my experience with it. Keep in mind, i'm tall.

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    maybe you west guys run minions for everything but here on the east...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookieMonster View Post
    So how much faster are you, in seconds?
    Considerably, because he's $15k lighter in the pocket.

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    wonder if dh bikes will ever go to 29ers

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauc View Post
    wonder if dh bikes will ever go to 29ers
    I certainly hope not..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkrobe View Post
    Not gonna lie... BUTTERSCOTCH FTMFW
    I'm intrigued by your ideas, and I'd like to read more about your philosophy.

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    CANNOT wait to pop my 2015 Jedi's cherry when the lifts start running!

    The 2014 Jedi was INcredible...SO unbelievably dialed that it was like riding an 18 yo Hungarian porn star for an all expense paid wknd in Vegas! But when the release info for the 2015 came out and the press release says it had up'd the wheel to 27.5, I sold that '14 two weeks prior to my local lift-serviced bike park (Trestle) closed. Angelfire fires up in 1 month tomorrow. I'm expecting the new Jedi to be like a FFM threesome w/ a Hungarian AND a Romanian porn star, full ride in Monaco, thanks! HAH!

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