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    35 or 38 mm tires for mostly paved riding

    Hey Folks,

    I'm looking for a good lighter, fast rolling, g
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    tire 35-38mm on 23I rims to be used mostly for fast neighborhood bombing, some back roads and maybe even a commute now and then. I'm not much interested in actual cyclocross riding but like the cross geo for fast riding on tight loop courses on low traffic neighborhood streets. I see 5-10 cars an hour. The loops I have mapped out are 2-8 miles with enough hills to easily top 40 mph and cruise 18-20 mph on rolling streets.

    I also have ideas about exploring different cities by bike, NY, Boston, DC etc.

    Thanks!!

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    I am running 700x35 Kenda Small Block 8 tires for a similar application and really like them. They roll fast and have decent traction.

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    Panaracer gravel king special edition - great for pavement-packed dirt and gravel


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    I ride Gravel King 40c tires on my gravel/road bike and love them. I had 35c tires previous to those and I don't think I'd ever go back to a tire that small. But I do ride a lot of gravel so the extra cush of the 40c is nice.
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    Vittoria Terreno Zero is worth a look if a decent chunk of the riding is on pavement and hard pack gravel. If there is a bit more dirt the Terreno Dry still rolls pretty well on pavement.

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    I have Barzos on my HT and they mount up about as easy as it gets. How are the terrenos to mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clydeone View Post
    Panaracer gravel king special edition - great for pavement-packed dirt and gravel


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    I like that one. How was it to mount tubeless?

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    I have Terreno Dry on one set of wheels (Novatec) they were a tight fit to get them on, but they sealed up easily and have had no issues with them.

    Was between Terreno Zero and Gravel King SK for a new set of "gravel" wheels, ended up with the SK cause this set of wheels will be used more on dirt than pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scycllerist View Post
    I like that one. How was it to mount tubeless?
    Not bad - have an air compressor - I usually make a half hearted attempt with a bike pump and the go to the compressor - this one took the compressor


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    I haven;t ridden them but almost bought a set of Teravail Ramparts. Went with the 700x35 Cannonballs instead since I do ride a mixture of road and off road. The Cannonballs are awesome and I expect the Ramparts would be more impressive on road.

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    Kenda Small Block 8's

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    If I don't make an attempt, how will I know if it will work?

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    3mm difference between 35 and 38... they're the same size? Tire casing and tread/no tread is going to be much more influential.

    Not too fond of SB8s; the center knobs wear quickly and then there's not much carcass to wear through. They score poorly on rolling resistance tests, too.

    I'm using spec roubaix 32s for a similar application, set up tubeless. They're unremarkable, but they hit a good balance of durability, volume, cost, and casing stiffness. They measure 35c on my 25mm IW rims. They're more supple than gravel kings, but not flimsy as compass.


    I don't see much benefit in having a tread until you're looking at like ~50mm etrto.
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    I'm giving the gravel kings a shot. They look good to me and I don't want to get caught up in analysis paralysis. I'll run them with tubes until I need a few more things then order the valve stems to go tubeless.

    Thanks guys!!

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    Also run 32s. Panaracer tserv's with tubes @ 100psi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    Also run 32s. Panaracer tserv's with tubes @ 100psi...
    sounds brutal.
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    The difference between 3mm is almost negligible, but I always opt for larger tires i.e. comfort. I just did a gravel bike century 100mi ride mostly pavement on Pari Moto 48mm's haha Balloons baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meeners View Post
    The difference between 3mm is almost negligible, but I always opt for larger tires i.e. comfort. I just did a gravel bike century 100mi ride mostly pavement on Pari Moto 48mm's haha Balloons baby.
    When I was on a pure road bike...the difference going from a 23c tire to a 25c was big and again from 25c to 28c was like day and night. 28c to 35c was quite noticeable and 35c to 40c was enough that I know I'll never go back to anything smaller than 40c on the road. Paved or gravel.
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    The Panaracer slick gravel king 38mm are on the bike. After just 18 miles I like them a lot. Bombing down the neighborhood hills is like sled riding.
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    Will any of the above mentioned tires work tubeless with a hookless rim???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbell View Post
    Will any of the above mentioned tires work tubeless with a hookless rim???
    I don't know. You may have to contact the rim or tire manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    3mm difference between 35 and 38... they're the same size? Tire casing and tread/no tread is going to be much more influential.
    Agreed 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    Agreed 100%.
    I have a Macho Man with 35mm Terravail Cannonballs and a Cosmic Stallion with 38mm Cannonballs. There is world of difference in the way they ride. The 35's are much faster on paved roads.

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    I've got 38mm 700C Compass Barlow Pass extra-lights on my road/gravel bike. They are surprisingly fast, even with very low air pressure.

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    I did a road century on 35mm Schwalbe G-1's. I thought I'd feel a difference and maybe they'd be a bit slower but I didn't notice any drawbacks at all.

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    I like the WTB Resolute - great tire in 42mm. If you don't have clearance for that, the 35mm WTB Cross Boss is also a great tire - good dirt traction with both, with not much speed sacrifice on pavement. Kenda Happy Medium is also a decent tire for a mixed terrain type bike, depending on what your off road surface is like and what your overall on/off road ratio is.

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    I run 700x40C Schwalbe Marathon Mondial tires on my cross bike tubeless and really like that setup. They were OK with tubes but converting to tubeless made a huge difference. There's also a 35mm option.
    https://www.4crawler.com/Photos/104_pana/CX700/16.html

    Finally figured out a rotation plan to get about 8000 miles riding out of each tire:
    https://youtu.be/L8E7k2Wao7Q?list=PL...QpEg4GcHZaE7Ub

    35 or 38 mm tires for mostly paved riding-marathonmondialtreadwear.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
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    This

    Or Panaracer Gravel Kings. I personally have the slick version, but you can go with the SK version if you want a little more knobs.

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    Last year I ran the Compass (Rene Herse) Bon Jon Pass tires and I think they are the most comfortable and fastest that I have used on my gravel bikes. BUT, they are easy to slice and when I had to replace them the second set wouldn't set up tubeless, kept blowing off the rim! I'm running 38mm Cannonballs on my SSCX for mostly dirt roads, but wanted something faster for more road on my main bike so I went with 33mm Vittoria Terreno Dry. I have a couple hundred miles on them last week and on dirt they are good but not as fast as I had hoped on road. I probably should have gone with the Zeros for mostly pavement. I hope my experience helps.

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    Still liking the Gravel King Slicks. I did have two flats from small pieces of glass. I'm still tubed.

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    I've been running Specialized Sawtooth 700x38, Fast rolling on pavement with good grip on dirt and wet roads. Had this set-up for almost a year riding 15-30 mile rides with gravel/dirt/pavement

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    3mm difference between 35 and 38... they're the same size? Tire casing and tread/no tread is going to be much more influential.

    Not too fond of SB8s; the center knobs wear quickly and then there's not much carcass to wear through. They score poorly on rolling resistance tests, too.

    I'm using spec roubaix 32s for a similar application, set up tubeless. They're unremarkable, but they hit a good balance of durability, volume, cost, and casing stiffness. They measure 35c on my 25mm IW rims. They're more supple than gravel kings, but not flimsy as compass.


    I don't see much benefit in having a tread until you're looking at like ~50mm etrto.
    You've had no issue running 32c tire on 25 mm inner width rims? That will be awesome news if so. I'm debating between an inner width ranging from 22 mm to 25 mm for a gravel/light trail setup, and I think 25 mm offers the greatest balance. Can run 32c-35c slicks, 40c-45c gravel tires, and up to a 2.35 MTB tire.

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    25mm is a great all around inner width for a rim. I run 28c GP5000 TLs on my rims with a 25mm IW, zero issues. Measure 31mm mounted.

    Also run the Specialized Roubaix 32c on the same rims. They measured 36mm after they filled out.

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    That's great info. What kind of wheels are you running and at what pressure did you get those measurements?

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    Light Bicycle WR35 and WR45 rims. I run the Contis at about 55psi. I can't honestly remember what I pressure I was running on the Roubaixs, but it would have been sub-50 for sure.

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    Matt - I looked up those rims and they seem like a really good deal..........almost too good! How long have you been riding them? Just trying to figure out how sturdy they are. They seem to have a pretty high weight limit although I'm surprised the 45mm rims don't have a higher limit than the 35. Are you riding the hookless version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    25mm is a great all around inner width for a rim. I run 28c GP5000 TLs on my rims with a 25mm IW, zero issues. Measure 31mm mounted.

    Also run the Specialized Roubaix 32c on the same rims. They measured 36mm after they filled out.
    Good looking, amish_matt! Appreciate your reply very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcb View Post
    Matt - I looked up those rims and they seem like a really good deal..........almost too good! How long have you been riding them? Just trying to figure out how sturdy they are. They seem to have a pretty high weight limit although I'm surprised the 45mm rims don't have a higher limit than the 35. Are you riding the hookless version?
    I have the WR35s on my gravel bike in 24h and the standard layup. The WR45s are on my road bike, also in 24h, but in the flyweight layup (I'm 160 lbs). Both are hooked and setup tubeless.

    I have 2000 miles or so on each set. The wheels were new this year and haven't had a ton of use. Zero issues with either. Roads around here aren't in the best shape, and I've hit plenty of holes. And I ride mtb trails on my gravel bike at times.

    I had a different set of LB rims on my gravel bike previously, a narrower, less deep rim with an older profile. Those wheels didn't have an easy life, had a couple of hard impacts on an already flat tire, but they never even came out of true.

    I've had 5-6 wheelset built on LB rims on various bikes over the years, they're solid rims and I have no reservations recommending them.

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    Matt - thanks again that's good info. Now that my cross bike is my 1 bike quiver for all things other than mountain biking I'm thinking about getting one or two more wheelsets and those look like a good option.

    To add my own data point: Hutchinson Overide 38's set up tubeless at 50psi measure 38.47mm on my DT Swiss R23's which are a more traditional 19mm inside width.

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