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    Are zion frames going away?

    I noticed on JensonUSA.com that all of the zion frames are on closeout. I hope they are not going away. I have a 660 and love it and i am wanting o buy a 737 and built it up this year as well. Does any one know?

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    Yeah, I've been noticing the same. A few weeks ago they dropped the price down to $199 and now they are $179. I'm thinking it's the end. all the zion parts are on closeout too. --Mark

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    or they are getting rid of old stock, making way for new redesigned 08 stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw
    or they are getting rid of old stock, making way for new redesigned 08 stuff?
    One can only hope! I love the 660 zion frame, only thing I don't like is the rear tire clearance. I'm hoping that they come out with a new frame with wider stays, ooh and built around a longer travel fork would be nice too.

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    737 frames are great frames, the only miss was the down clearance for a suspended fork. If they fix that, there wouldn't be much to hold this frame back.
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    The 660 has the same issue with RS forks. On mine the floodgate and compression knobs do not clear the downtube. To fix the issue (at least in my case) I need to run a headset that has a fatter bottom stack. Anything with a bottom stack of over 13.5mm should work fine. Like a King or the 07 Hope, not sure about the 08 Hope.


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    Well. Jensonusa.com have a whole sale on those now! 179 is a bargain!

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    These are quite a bargain! I really want to get a 660 frame right now, but I settled for a stem (also on clearance)

    I just wish that these companies would give an official word sometimes instead of leaving us to wonder and speculate.

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    in other news, zion has it's own board on mtbr!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    in other news, zion has it's own board on mtbr!
    Since like Jan. or Feb. of 07, can't remember but it's been awhile.

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    Just got the email back from Jenson that Zion frames are on closeout. Really sucks, I wanted to pick up a 17" 660, oh well.

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    Claims of Zion demise greatly exaggerated?

    I just called Jenson and asked. I couldn't get a straight enough answer on the future of the line to quote, but clearing old stock is what's going on. This makes sense, as they went through the same process with the older 853 frames. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I suspect that during or just after these disappeared the 660 and 737 frames showed up.

    It was kind of funny as he indicated well over half the employees have at least one form of Zion build in their arsenal. I'm sure they get a deal on parts but I'd still call that an endorsement. After all, junk at any price is still junk.

    He also told me that the material cost for the steel used in the frames has doubled, so I'd expect a price increase.

    Try as I might, I couldn't get an answer as to whether the two big issues on these frames will be addressed: 1. tire to chain/seat-stay clearance; 2. fork-crown to down-tube clearance. I hope they do, as it would make the frames a little more versatile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stderr
    I just called Jenson and asked. I couldn't get a straight enough answer on the future of the line to quote, but clearing old stock is what's going on. This makes sense, as they went through the same process with the older 853 frames. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I suspect that during or just after these disappeared the 660 and 737 frames showed up.

    It was kind of funny as he indicated well over half the employees have at least one form of Zion build in their arsenal. I'm sure they get a deal on parts but I'd still call that an endorsement. After all, junk at any price is still junk.

    He also told me that the material cost for the steel used in the frames has doubled, so I'd expect a price increase.

    Try as I might, I couldn't get an answer as to whether the two big issues on these frames will be addressed: 1. tire to chain/seat-stay clearance; 2. fork-crown to down-tube clearance. I hope they do, as it would make the frames a little more versatile.
    Nice stderr! I bet you're right. It has been awhile since the 660 came out. I'm really hoping that this is a product refresh. That said I don't think that the zion handle bars and stems were out all that long.

    Man oh man that would be sweet if they came out with a wider stay 660 to fit a fatter tire. That by far is my biggest gripe. The workaround downtube issue is to simply use a headset with a fatter bottom stack. The sweet spot (at least for me) is a headset with a bottom stack of 13.5mm or greater. Not that big a deal I just wish I knew that before hand so I wouldn't have wasted money on the first headset and having it pressed in. I have a huge dent in my frame from where the floodgate knob on my Rockshox hit the downtube.

    Dunno, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. --Mark

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    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for the feedback.

    I know this is drifting off topic, but doesn't the headset with the deeper bottom stack slacken your geometry? I know, if it does it's only by a hair, but, just curious. I'm keeping your fix in the back of my mind for the day I'm ready for a fork upgrade.

    Also, I was lucky enough to not dent my down-tube during a crash last summer, but when the bars spun as I went over, the right brake lever hit the top tube so hard it bent the lever and scraped the paint down to bare metal. I'm thinking of priming this over for now as it's starting to rust. I could just have the frame stripped and powder coated for $100, or I could just buy a 19" white frame for $179+s/h and replace it. Both of these solutions seem drastic. Since this happened I don't keep my levers and shifters as tight on the bars in the hopes that they'll rotate the next time I blow up on a descent. For now, I'm thinking a little primer and some hockey tape to cover it up and protect it will do the trick.

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    yeah it will slacken the head angle a hair but nothing that will be really noticeable. It would also ever so slightly raise the standover. But again by just a hair. A Chris King should do the trick.

    I scratched my frame the first day I road it last november. I had switched to eggbeaters and fell over at a dead stop because I couldn't clip out. The seat stay hit a big a$$ rock. They have too much float for my tastes, so needless to say I'm back on spd style peddles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike
    The 660 has the same issue with RS forks. On mine the floodgate and compression knobs do not clear the downtube. To fix the issue (at least in my case) I need to run a headset that has a fatter bottom stack. Anything with a bottom stack of over 13.5mm should work fine. Like a King or the 07 Hope, not sure about the 08 Hope.

    I fixed mine with a FSA Pig DH Pro,but yours look higher tham mine. I was using the same cane creek as you. It should go down 1/8 of an inch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HTR4EVR
    I fixed mine with a FSA Pig DH Pro,but yours look higher tham mine. I was using the same cane creek as you. It should go down 1/8 of an inch.
    Thanks for the tip. I that thing is a little heavy though. Trying to find something a little lighters than that. --Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by stderr
    I just called Jenson and asked. I couldn't get a straight enough answer on the future of the line to quote, but clearing old stock is what's going on. This makes sense, as they went through the same process with the older 853 frames. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I suspect that during or just after these disappeared the 660 and 737 frames showed up.

    It was kind of funny as he indicated well over half the employees have at least one form of Zion build in their arsenal. I'm sure they get a deal on parts but I'd still call that an endorsement. After all, junk at any price is still junk.

    He also told me that the material cost for the steel used in the frames has doubled, so I'd expect a price increase.

    Try as I might, I couldn't get an answer as to whether the two big issues on these frames will be addressed: 1. tire to chain/seat-stay clearance; 2. fork-crown to down-tube clearance. I hope they do, as it would make the frames a little more versatile.

    yeah.. th same happened a while after i bought my 853EBB.... they cleared stock for the 660s.... with such a popular frame line...I seriously doubt they will get rid of them...just improve a bit..and sell more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike
    The 660 has the same issue with RS forks. On mine the floodgate and compression knobs do not clear the downtube. To fix the issue (at least in my case) I need to run a headset that has a fatter bottom stack. Anything with a bottom stack of over 13.5mm should work fine. Like a King or the 07 Hope, not sure about the 08 Hope.


    that seems like a weird design overlook/change by Jenson.... the Revelation on my old 853EBB didn't have any issue and I was running a Cane Creek S2 just like yours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    yeah.. th same happened a while after i bought my 853EBB.... they cleared stock for the 660s.... with such a popular frame line...I seriously doubt they will get rid of them...just improve a bit..and sell more..
    Let's hope for a 660 with wider chain stays. --Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike
    Let's hope for a 660 with wider chain stays. --Mark

    I hope they make them this wide (those are 2.35 Nevegals)

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/509907142/" title="inbred ample tire clearance by cmadrigal, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/509907142_549565f323_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="inbred ample tire clearance" /></a>


    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/511126400/" title="yummy tire clearance by cmadrigal, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/511126400_5564be9ac0_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="yummy tire clearance" /></a>

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    That would be sweet! The nevegal 2.1 are a tight fit on the zion. I'd love to be able to run the 2.35 on the rear. If the newer frame does fit 2.35's I'll for sure buy the new frame.

    That said man I wish I went with a wider rim when I had my wheels built. The nev's aren't nearly as nice as they are on a 19mm rim. oh well once I trash the 717's I'll upgrade to 819's or a DT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike

    That said man I wish I went with a wider rim when I had my wheels built. The nev's aren't nearly as nice as they are on a 19mm rim. oh well once I trash the 717's I'll upgrade to 819's or a DT.
    they look great on my DT 4.2ds.... (also on the 5.1ds )

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    they look great on my DT 4.2ds.... (also on the 5.1ds )
    Aren't the DT 4.2D's a lot wider? They're like 23mm aren't they? That might be the way I go. --Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike
    Aren't the DT 4.2D's a lot wider? They're like 23mm aren't they? That might be the way I go. --Mark
    yeah..the 4.2d's are wider than your 717s...but at a similar weight....

    the 5.1d's are 28mm

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