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    Zion 29ers ARE in!



    Will try to get better pics on my ride tmw. Until then, you'll have to live with the junky photos.

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    Wow... looks sweet... might be time to update my Zion to 29"

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    9.9cm HT on a Large. What gives? Tall people have room to spare with standover.

    Show me a 6'2" rider on a large without massive stack and I'll show you a rider with wrist pain etc.

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    Does the Reba crown hit the downtube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiggyperson
    Zion 29ers ARE in!



    Will try to get better pics on my ride tmw. Until then, you'll have to live with the junky photos.
    Is that a 26" Zion fork? Thought the 29er Zion forks only came in that matte black color right?

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    I'm excited and pi$$ed at the same time...I have to wait for mine to ship stupid MN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Is that a 26" Zion fork? Thought the 29er Zion forks only came in that matte black color right?
    I thought the same thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    I thought the same thing...
    Definitely enough clearance to use the 26" Zion fork with the big wheels. I think it has a 457mm AC height or something to that effect.

    in fact, I'm eyeballing one right now for a project in the works. I wonder how the rake and offset compare between the two sizes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Definitely enough clearance to use the 26" Zion fork with the big wheels. I think it has a 457mm AC height or something to that effect.

    in fact, I'm eyeballing one right now for a project in the works. I wonder how the rake and offset compare between the two sizes?
    Yes, there is plenty of room for a 29" wheel in that Zion fork.

    I have a brand new one (457mm black) that I don't want if you seriously are looking for one.

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    The question is, what size shouldI get?

    5' 9", 30" inseam, and I wear a 32-33" sleeve on my shirts.

    Zion 737 Geometry

    S M L

    Effective Top Tube 23.1" 23.7" 24.55"
    Seat Tube 16.75" 17.75" 19.75"
    (center of BB to top of seat collar)
    Standover Height 27.75" 28.75" 30"
    Head Angle 71 72 72
    Seat Angle 74.5 73.5 73.5
    Head Tube 3.15" 3.54" 3.93"
    Wheelbase 42.5" 42.75" 43"
    Chainstay 17.3" 17.3" 17.3"

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    rochound - I'm sorta in the same boat as you same size and everything.

    I can't believe those really low standover height listings. I guess I could ride either a small or Medium frame. The geometry on the medium might make it a slightly quicker handling ride with the 72 degree HT angle. perhaps you could set that up similar to a Fisher or Niner frame with a short stem and get the more traditional 29er geometry angles.

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    I also want to know if the chainrings on a 48-36-26 crankset (LX M-581) will clear the chainstays on the 737.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Is that a 26" Zion fork? Thought the 29er Zion forks only came in that matte black color right?
    Yes, its a 26" fork. Its only maybe 3/4" shorter A-C, and i like a slightly steeper HT angle anyways.

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    Took the first ride today, and it was amazing! Felt very natural, not at all like i was afraid of. Some 29ers i have ridden were very twitchy, or slow feeling. This rode very well both climbing fire roads and through the twisty, rocky singletrack. Even cleaned a very sketchy rock climb, that normally i walk on the 26. All in all, im pleased. Need to make a few adjustments tmw, such as switch to organic brake pads to hopefully cut down on the noise, mess with chain length, and play with tire pressures. But im still excited!

    Here is the full spec, if anyone is interested.

    Zion 737EBB size Large, twentynineinches.com specialty green
    Zion Rigid cro-mo fork, 26" size, white
    Cane Creek S3 headset, black, w/ red FSA topcap
    Ritchey comp stem, 110mm
    Titec Hellbent XC bars
    Hayes HFX-9 brakes, 6" rotors
    XT Octalink crankset w/ Blackspire Mono Veloce 32t ring
    ES-71 bottom bracket
    Redline 29 wheelset (Alex DH19 rims, Redline SS disk hubs, Wheelsmith? spoke/nip) with nutted rear, QR front 18t cog
    Shimano HG-91 8sp chain
    Bontrager Ti QR
    Maxxis Ignitor 2.1K tires
    Bontrager 29" tubes
    IRD Tailfin Bolt on seat collar
    generic 27.2 post
    WTB Shadow-V Stealth saddle
    Velo dual compound grips
    Crank Bros Candy C pedals, red, Interbike '06 edition

    Total, minus bottle cages= 25.24lbs

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    New question here. 2 Questions

    Reba Clearance?

    Tire Clearance?
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    What's the story on the 26" ridgid fork? Did you want to go for a shorter front end height?
    Love the Cowbell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastbard
    What's the story on the 26" ridgid fork? Did you want to go for a shorter front end height?
    I was debating the 29" vs 26" fork until yesterday. I thought maybe the 26 would give a little steeper head angle(obviously), as some of the 29s i've ridden were a little slack and awkward feeling. Building it, i put up the black and white forks, and decided the white looked better, so that was my decision as white is avail. only in 26". I love the way it handles with the 26, so no regrets.

    And yes, the Reba barely hits the downtube. Nothing a taller Chris King race or Cane Creek S3 Plus wouldnt fix though, with an unoticeable change in geometry. That white frame with the Reba is a medium, fwiw..

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    Rockhound, sent you a pm about your fork.
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    I dig the white fork with the green frame because they both have the shiny look to them vs. the matte black of the black fork (it is matte black right?).

    Sweet looking bike and not too bad in the weight dept. either!

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    So did you ride it with both forks and prefer the 26"?

    You could always paint the black fork...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    The question is, what size shouldI get?
    so you're getting your steel...
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    Hmmm...their site still shows them as not available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    so you're getting your steel...
    I hope so...I am unloading my steel singlespeed to hopefully pay for a geared 29er (I already have all of the parts for one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Hmmm...their site still shows them as not available.
    I was thinking the same. Is it October 27th yet??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Hmmm...their site still shows them as not available.
    I talked to them a few days ago and the guy said that they were shipping today. Don't know if that is still the case, so call 'em and ask if you are really interested.
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    i wonder how it rides compared to the Inbred 29er....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs
    i wonder how it rides compared to the Inbred 29er....
    Yeah, that would be an interesting comparo-test. Any takers?
    Love the Cowbell...

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    Inbred vs. Zion

    I currently have an Inbred built up and have a Zion frameset on the way. I should be able to have some comparison between the two soon.
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    thanks riderjtt
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    So did you ride it with both forks and prefer the 26"?
    Actually, no. i never did ride it with the 29" specific fork. But i really have no reason to try it. Im pretty happy with it the way it rides.

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    Anymore news on the Zion frame?
    I am real curious about this frame and how it rides.
    I presently ride a Large GF 06' 293 and have thought about going back to a hardtail and ditching the GF frame?
    I know several people that changed from their 26" FS to a 29" hardtail.
    I know this is very subjective but how many riders have done this. And is it true the bigger wheels make that much difference with the hardtail.
    One more reason I've been looking at the Zion, I've always liked steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSwami.com
    I was thinking the same. Is it October 27th yet??
    they just got them is stock, mine shipped yesterday, got everything ready for the build monday

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    Quote Originally Posted by usr666
    they just got them is stock, mine shipped yesterday, got everything ready for the build monday
    Ditto, here.

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    I'm staring at the UPS tracking...they need faster trucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    I'm staring at the UPS tracking...they need faster trucks
    ha, same here, UPS sucks compared to FedEx these days... I've had stuff shipped overseas faster than UPS 2 states over. They seem to hold off on actually making deliveries until the day they are sup'd to go out, ie: I've had stuff at my sorting center at 5-6am and they didn't put it on the truck for delivery, instead waiting untill the day of delivery. FedEx just gets it there... just a quick UPS rant

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    Nice looking Zion.

    What's the tire clearance like with the ignitors? Could you squeeze a 2.3 on the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calzonical
    What's the tire clearance like with the ignitors? Could you squeeze a 2.3 on the rear?
    Don't have mine yet but I'm hoping they will fit a 2.3, all I could get my hands on at the time tho I don't like fat tires...

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    It's here

    My Zion just got dropped off by the man. Finish quality not quite up to the Inbred, but the welds aren't TOO bad. Pleasantly surprised by the weight, though. 4lbs, 6oz for the size small. One lb less than my Inbred with the steel sliding dropouts. Tire clearance looks excellent. We'll see about ride quality soon.
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    Cool riderjtt!

    Post some pics

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    Fyi

    Just an FYI, my cheap MX comp forks hit the downtube, so it is most certain that Rebas will hit. I would guess they will hit even with a Cane Creek Plus 5.
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    Pics

    Budget build, notice good tire clearance, not so good fork clearance.
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    Looks sweet... thanks for the pics.. I might be tempted to upgrade my 26" Zion even more...

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    That really sucks about the fork clearance problems.

    Man - kind of hard to believe this is still an issue with 29er frames, especially with an old Marzocchi.

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    New question here. Specific Clearance

    Quote Originally Posted by riderjtt
    Budget build, notice good tire clearance, not so good fork clearance.
    Any chance you measure the chainstay clearance, just want to know If I can get one of the larger newer tires in there (rampage, nevegal or revelation) before placing an order. UK is a long way to send it back from!

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    Not for me!

    I plan to use a fork on my 29er.

    Seeing that picture, scratches the Zion 29er off my list.

    How could they build a frame like that? That is a triple no-no.

    Reminds me of the earlier post I saw about R & D. The consumers are the R & D.
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    Ride quality

    OK, fork clearance issues aside(although I can live with that, I have lived with it on two other frames), the Zion rides pretty well. I would sum it up as very neutral, or middle of the road in the overall quality and performance of the ride. The frame hooks up well on climbs, seems to accept me throwing my body weight to and fro without much loss of traction. Steering is what I would call neutral. Not at all twitchy but also not sluggish. Definately a comfortable ride compared to other frames. More flex in the frame than the other three steel 29ers I have ridden. Not bad at the BB, just a more comfortable ride.

    The way I see it, you really can't beat it for $249. The fork clearance issue could be dealt with, but again, for the money...? I've yet to have a frame that has it all. Kinda like the cheap, light, strong thing... pick only two. This frame is a great bargain, decent welds and paint, great tire clearance, good cable routing, good front derailleur clearance, but a GREAT price, so, I can live with the fork issue. This is not a high dollar custom steed just a good bargain and a decent ride.

    Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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    compare and contrast

    Can I ask which frames you comparing it against?

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    compare

    I'm comparing ride quality to 30-40 different rides I've had over the years. As far as 29er specific handling and traits go, I'm comparing to a KM, Inbred, Gunnar, Sofaking and Fisher that I have owned over the past couple of years. No 29er Full Sussers yet, maybe never.
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    Thanks for that, was going to replace my 26" geared steel frame but today I got home and the rig has snapped at the seat tube weld again so it looks like one of each now.

    Many thanks for all the help

    Cheers

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    Does anybody know where these are welded together?

    CHINA or TAIWAN?

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    The sticker on mine said taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    The sticker on mine said taiwan.
    Mine too...

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    Nice! I like the red accents on it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Nice! I like the red accents on it!
    Ya if I ever get any money I'll try and put a black Thomson stem and spacers and red cables (if I can find em)... no way I can afford another King headset just for black

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    New question here. tire clearance

    USR666 any chance you could get some pitures of the chainstay clearance with the EXI's fitted please?

    Cheers

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    ... and if we just ... Might as well keep the thread going

    737EBB +++ First the pictures, then the ride report:

    1 - the boxes and the beverage to get it built
    2 - post and fork pre-fit
    3 - control center art shot to the BB
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    And now together:

    1 - Side shot (seat seems off center)
    2 - Front shot (can you see the spermy rotors?)
    3 - tire shot, didn't really get the shot of the space with these fat tires
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    The build:
    737EBB
    zion 26er fork
    magura marta brakes
    ebay spermy rotors
    forte stem
    ritchey logic headset
    titec xl bars 610mm wide
    xt 5 arm 180mm cranks
    surly 32t ring, AL single bolts
    19t cog
    cheap shimano BB
    coda/mavic cpx 33 wheelset
    ACX 2.2 tire, 26" tubes
    KMC silver chain
    generic silver post zero setback
    Flite Gel saddle
    WTB design lockon grips
    ding bell

    It was hard to part with my 26er single...same bike since '98, you can certainly get attached. The old bike OX Platnium most of the time with ridged fork, but recently with SID.
    Moving to this bike ridged was interesting. I've now gone on 2 rides at 2 parks. One was more open and rolly, the second was tighter and twisty. My 29er comparison is my Dos Niner and I can say that they are very different bikes.
    I haven't put my finger on it yet, but the Zion feels slower than the DOS around corners. Not sure what it is yet, may have to swap wheels to make it fair as the DOS is setup for pure race. The Zion is set to be my every day beat down bike, not a jumper, but ride it everywhere else in every condition.
    I certainly is a smooth riding bike, the steel is compliant but not flexy under me, I was having cornering issues, but found the tires were to low and squirming all over loosing traction (seems 18/20 psi F/R is too low) so I upped it to 22/25 psi F/R and everything perked up. I ditched those goofy bar end on the second lap (freebee at some race) that helped too.

    Climbing on our short risers here in MN the bike and tire combination worked well on the hardpack I was riding. The fork tracked well and once I remember how to ride a ridged again things started to speed up.
    On the other ride the trails were a mix of loamy soil and roots, again the steel was compliant and didn't jar me at all.

    I really look forward to our weekday races next season and really giving it a beat down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerboy
    USR666 any chance you could get some pitures of the chainstay clearance with the EXI's fitted please?
    About a half inch all round:
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    The build:
    737EBB
    zion 26er fork
    magura marta brakes
    ebay spermy rotors
    forte stem
    ritchey logic headset
    titec xl bars 610mm wide
    xt 5 arm 180mm cranks
    surly 32t ring, AL single bolts
    19t cog
    cheap shimano BB
    coda/mavic cpx 33 wheelset
    ACX 2.2 tire, 26" tubes
    KMC silver chain
    generic silver post zero setback
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    WTB design lockon grips
    ding bell
    What size is that?

    That's two Zions running the 457mm axle-to-crown 26er fork...(I wonder how big a difference 18mm really makes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    What size is that?

    That's two Zions running the 457mm axle-to-crown 26er fork...(I wonder how big a difference 18mm really makes)
    I wanted a matching fork.

    Plus as always, size small gets screwed on the HT angle. Every bit helps to get it back.

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    SKullman - how tall are you and what made you go with the small over the medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    SKullman - how tall are you and what made you go with the small over the medium?
    5-7 I ride a small Dos Niner, the specs on the Dos are confirmed at 22.7" horz TT and the Zion lists the small at 23.1 TT so small is what I chose.

    I'm not sure that I believe the Zion online specs after fitting it. Seems they are off on the TT as I'm only getting 22.6 on my horz TT measurment.

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    This is good information to post up Skullman.

    Those standover numbers seem really low too. Thanks.

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    Skullman, when you say "horizontal TT" is it the effective top tube? (just checking)

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    inside leg measurement

    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    5-7 I ride a small Dos Niner, the specs on the Dos are confirmed at 22.7" horz TT and the Zion lists the small at 23.1 TT so small is what I chose.

    I'm not sure that I believe the Zion online specs after fitting it. Seems they are off on the TT as I'm only getting 22.6 on my horz TT measurment.
    Can I ask what Inside leg measurement you have skull man?

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    Which MN trails did you ride? Used to live there, and am very familiar w/the offerings there. I've got the itch for another bike, but on budget since I don't want to spend tons o'cash. Not worried 'bout the DT celarance, I can just grab a taller cup(CaneCreek), or a new baseplate(king).
    Just a regular guy.

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    How soon before we can see some Zion 29ers with either the Panaracer Rampage or Kenda Nevegal tires stuffed in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerboy
    Can I ask what Inside leg measurement you have skull man?
    It's starting to get personal. I wear a 30" pant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Martini~
    Which MN trails did you ride?
    Battle Creek is across the street from me, good for shake downs and bolt checks.
    Salem Hill in Inver Grove was test 2, fast and twisty.
    I'm heading out to Elk River in a couple of days for a dusk ride, assuming I get my light working

    I'm going to start another thread here about the frame measurements. Seems it deserves it, with it sitting next to my Dos it just looks small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Which MN trails did you ride? Used to live there, and am very familiar w/the offerings there. I've got the itch for another bike, but on budget since I don't want to spend tons o'cash. Not worried 'bout the DT celarance, I can just grab a taller cup(CaneCreek), or a new baseplate(king).
    martini - that Haro you were riding this summer - did you keep that?

    Why not get another Mary frame and fork and build that sucker up - about $400 for the Mary with fork right? What's the Zion when you add a fork to the mix - about $315 - $320 or so plus shipping?

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    All done, 26lbs at the LBS scale, big boy:
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    ok did some measurements on my size small:


    all the measurements are the same as what Jenson says except the TT.

    My TT center of seatpost to center of headtube measured Horizontal from the ground = 22.75 (57.8 cm)

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    SKullman, if you had it to do again, would you buy the next size up?

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    My friend Josh the Wonderboy got his built up the other day. It looks really nice, and I can't believe how little it weighs. The only dissapointing thing about the frame is the poochy hose guide for the rear brake. Seems like they coulda used zip-tie guides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    SKullman, if you had it to do again, would you buy the next size up?
    I'd probably still get the small. It's closer to the size of my Dos than I expected. I'd have to measure the TT on the Med for actual length.

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    Still got the Haro. Don't see losing it anytime soon either. I could get another Mary, but there's so much on the market now...
    Just a regular guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    I'd have to measure the TT on the Med for actual length.
    I get 23" (medium) actual top tube length. Their effective measurement is from the head tube center to the seatpost if the top tube paralleled the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    The only dissapointing thing about the frame is the poochy hose guide for the rear brake. Seems like they coulda used zip-tie guides.
    Ya those guides stink... the cables slide all over and side to side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usr666
    Ya those guides stink... the cables slide all over and side to side.
    You're suppose to use guide inserts. I picked up 4 free at my shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    You're suppose to use guide inserts. I picked up 4 free at my shop.
    Nice.
    Now for the dumb question. Is that a QBP Probelm Solver kinda thing? I just want to tell my friend what to look for.
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    My pieces came out of some misc parts box, but I found something that looks like it with a QBP part number: BR7843

    Looks like you would have to cut one end off though.

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    Does the EBB use a standard bottom bracket inside the eccentric? Or is it a custom jobbie of some kind?

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    Regular, off-the-shelf BB. My 853EBB uses a 68mm BB (no idea if the new ones are the same way)

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    Sweet, thx.

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    Is there an Oz distributor

    does anyone know of an Australia importer/wholesaler for Zion gear, im very interested....
    The SeaMonkey has my money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilgenius
    does anyone know of an Australia importer/wholesaler for Zion gear, im very interested....
    Not that I'm aware of. I just imported one myself from Jenson. It was delivered to my door in 4 days from the States to Sydney, and I didn't get hit with any customs or duty either.

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    thanks DJM,

    could you tell me how much it cost you all up including shipping in AUD? did you get the geared or SS version? thanks for your help!
    The SeaMonkey has my money!

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    I got the single speed version. Frame and fork delivered was US$382, approx AUS$500, I didn't want to throw a lot of money into trying a 29er so I figured this was a good deal. Hopefully I'll have it built in time to ride it in the Highland Fling 100 on Sunday.
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    Anyone know if you can fit a rampage in the back yet?

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    Anyone had problems adding the Zion 29er to their JensonUSA shopping cart?

    They have an automatic discount offer running on some Marzz forks and I just can't seem to get the frame added to the shopping cart, with or without the discounted forks (I'm actually going to go for the rigid fork)

    I've emailed jenson and guess will just wait for a reply.

    Is there anywhere else I can mail order one from?

    I'm visiting the US for a week next week and would love to have it waiting so that I can bring it back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclenorm
    Anyone had problems adding the Zion 29er to their JensonUSA shopping cart?

    They have an automatic discount offer running on some Marzz forks and I just can't seem to get the frame added to the shopping cart, with or without the discounted forks (I'm actually going to go for the rigid fork)

    I've emailed jenson and guess will just wait for a reply.

    Is there anywhere else I can mail order one from?

    I'm visiting the US for a week next week and would love to have it waiting so that I can bring it back home.
    Step though all the forks... at the end it asks to add them to the cart, do so... then delete the ones you don't want. Their site is screwy it looks like.

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    Okay, so who else has built one of these up since the initial early builds we've seen in this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Okay, so who else has built one of these up since the initial early builds we've seen in this thread?
    Over here!

    First of thanks for JensonUSA for donating the frame to the raffle at Mt. SAC Fat Tire Festival. And double thanks for shipping it to my home (the prize was a certificate good for any size and color)

    23.75 pounds as it sits. Generic gel seat, Thompson post, BB7, Weyless stem, Pace fork, AC Wheelset, Truvativ Stylo, Boone round things, KMC 1/8" chain, Rampage and Nevegal tires.

    Pictures of bike, plenty clearance for mud (nevagal and rampage are nearly same size), and camouflaged.

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    Holy Crap that looks nice. What size is that frame??

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    updated

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Holy Crap that looks nice. What size is that frame??
    Thanks. Medium.

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    Really sweet looking - nice shots of tire clearance to boot, looks like you can get a bus in there :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Thanks. Medium.
    Thanks - next question - how did it ride? Overall how would you rate the quality of construction? Looks pretty sharp in that green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Thanks - next question - how did it ride? Overall how would you rate the quality of construction? Looks pretty sharp in that green.
    Ride it? It's a show bike, destined to be trailered around. It looks sharp in person too, smooth welds.


    Just kidding, riding later.

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    Keep us posted on your ride impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usr666
    Step though all the forks... at the end it asks to add them to the cart, do so... then delete the ones you don't want. Their site is screwy it looks like.
    Many thanks for that. It worked a treat.

    1 x Zion 29 on its way!

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    Cheers, pacman - the pics of the beefier tires like the Nevegal (or Rampage) stuffed into the frame were what some of us were waiting for. Nice build, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Keep us posted on your ride impressions.
    The bike did everything I asked it to do. Climb, corner, etc. The rear felt a little heavy (damped) but I did put on a Nevgal - overkill for today's ride. Ignitors would do the job. On the local ride every challenge was cleared, this includes climbs that require acceleration and momentum, switchbacks, roots, and rocks. I've been using a setback seatpost on other bikes but even with a straight post the rear wheel felt like it was right under me.

    I started out by changing the cockpit to my preferred setup. Guest riders get the straight bars, Mary bars and HRM mount are for me. Nice, with mechanical brakes you need to twist 3 bolts to change it all. (picture). (I can't see 5'9" riders on anything smaller.)

    Picture (2) The proving grounds, it's a dirty job but someone ...

    Picture (3) Just a path where you like to hold the edge.

    Picture (4) Steep climb, rocks, roots, and narrow groove between the rocks, keep going and watch for pedal strike.

    Picture (5) A maze designed to impede what? motorcyles? Not the Zion!

    Other areas always STIL not shown. Oh, and on the first ride passed a gearie.

    Sorry the report is not long-winded or over analytical - on the budget-fun curve this bike is a keeper.
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    Thanks!

    I'm a hockey guy and that last pic looks like your zion is sitting in the sin bin (aka penalty box!).

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    Has anyone used their Zion frame with the new inbred carbon fork? I was thinking about getting this frame and trying a carbon fork wondering if any one has had any issues.

    Thanks

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    i was thinking of putting a 26" Inbred rigid fork on a large Zion, anyone have any idea how it would handle?
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    Anyone else get one of these?

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    I have one of the 737EBB frames, but have not built it yet. Still getting all the bits and pieces together for the build. The frame is well made and the medium comes in right at 5.1 lbs as advertised. Seems to be a good value at $249, but the truth is all in how it rides.

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    Any new builds yet? Very interested of peoples experiences since might be interested of getting me a large frame. I'm tad taller than 6 2" and a bit uncertain about the fit since have long inseam and the frame seems to have really low standover. Wondering if 430mm seatpost would be enough.

    Also heard that Reba might have some clearance issues even with CK and that 7mm Ventana race. I've extra reba SL lying aroung so any information considering this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr.M
    Any new builds yet? Very interested of peoples experiences since might be interested of getting me a large frame. I'm tad taller than 6 2" and a bit uncertain about the fit since have long inseam and the frame seems to have really low standover. Wondering if 430mm seatpost would be enough.

    Also heard that Reba might have some clearance issues even with CK and that 7mm Ventana race. I've extra reba SL lying aroung so any information considering this?
    Enoch recently built one up, and did the Reba/Ventana race thing here:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=259811
    The seat tube is 19.75" long so it should be a simple matter figuring out if your seat post would be long enough. You'll probably want a minimum of 3" insertion (to insert to the bottom of the top tube) so that leaves about 355mm sticking out. That would put your saddle rails around 33.5 inches from the center of the BB-just add the saddle height (at least 1.5"). I think that means that your inseam could be around 39" and still work. Anyone disagree?
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    Thanks Dicky, somehow didn't notice that one..

    One more thing. Read that the actual TT lenght in Zion is shorter that announced in the specs. Is it really true or just crappy measurement? Asking since currently ridin XL monkey with 24.8" ETT and 100mm stem. The 24.5" in Zion specs seems quite allright but wouldn't care to have something shorter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr.M
    Thanks Dicky, somehow didn't notice that one..

    One more thing. Read that the actual TT lenght in Zion is shorter that announced in the specs. Is it really true or just crappy measurement? Asking since currently ridin XL monkey with 24.8" ETT and 100mm stem. The 24.5" in Zion specs seems quite allright but wouldn't care to have something shorter..
    My small was spot on at 23.1". You could post up on Enoch's thread and ask him if his medium was true to size.
    Of course those are effective top tube lengths.
    It looks like you would really make out in the standover department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    It looks like you would really make out in the standover department.
    Yep, so it looks like. However since I've quite long legs haven't had any problems on that department. However with 410mm Thomson or 430mm Roox post Zion should be fine.

    Since your frame is spot on measured it could be presumed that also larger sizes are ok..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr.M
    Yep, so it looks like. However since I've quite long legs haven't had any problems on that department. However with 410mm Thomson or 430mm Roox post Zion should be fine.

    Since your frame is spot on measured it could be presumed that also larger sizes are ok..
    You could probably post the question in it's own thread to get some real attention. Presumptions are nice, facts are better.
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    Touche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr.M
    One more thing. Read that the actual TT lenght in Zion is shorter that announced in the specs.
    My medium 737 ebb measures to spec.

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    My Small was shorter, I have to go back and measure again to get exacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    My Small was shorter, I have to go back and measure again to get exacts.
    Effective or actual?
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    My large 737 measured to spec.

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    Cheers, I think that's enough beta for me. Think I have to order the frame in the beginning of the next month.

    Yesterday put Surlys own fork to my beloved KM ss and went for a 2 hour ride. Sweet, really sweet. Some snowy bicycle roads and trails with light. Now planning to leave KM as fully rigid main ride and get other cheap steel frame (Zion) for 1x9 gears and reba (I have in stock) for those long and epic rides for next summer..

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    I was ready to pull the trigger on the monocog 29er since I am already riding the monocog 26er and have had no problems with it other than heavy weight, but I like the idea of the ebb (for disc setup) and lighter frame weight (1lb lighter than monocog 29er) so I am rethinking my decision.
    A few questions:
    A). I have never had an ebb bike and those pinch bolts appear to be pretty exposed to rock hits and the like. Has anyone ever bunged up the bolts as a result?
    B). I am a pretty big guy (6'5" 220lbs) and I am a little worried about the frame feeling a bit squirrily on the trail. Are there any big riders out there who can give an assessment on this?
    C). It appears that there is no gusset at the headtube/downtube union. It seems to me that the forces imposed on that joint are pretty big when running a rigid fork (which I am planning).
    Most bikes these days have gussets and I am assuming that there is a reason for this; Is it to accomodate slacker head tube angles (from longer travel forks) and higher resultant forces on that joint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galleywench
    I was ready to pull the trigger on the monocog 29er since I am already riding the monocog 26er and have had no problems with it other than heavy weight, but I like the idea of the ebb (for disc setup) and lighter frame weight (1lb lighter than monocog 29er) so I am rethinking my decision.
    A few questions:
    A). I have never had an ebb bike and those pinch bolts appear to be pretty exposed to rock hits and the like. Has anyone ever bunged up the bolts as a result?
    B). I am a pretty big guy (6'5" 220lbs) and I am a little worried about the frame feeling a bit squirrily on the trail. Are there any big riders out there who can give an assessment on this?
    C). It appears that there is no gusset at the headtube/downtube union. It seems to me that the forces imposed on that joint are pretty big when running a rigid fork (which I am planning).
    Most bikes these days have gussets and I am assuming that there is a reason for this; Is it to accomodate slacker head tube angles (from longer travel forks) and higher resultant forces on that joint?
    I have the 26" of the 853ebb version, but I think I can help...

    A) you would hit your chain ring long before you actually hit the set screws... they only thing that contacts them is mud .

    B) I weigh 220 lbs too and have no problems with the 26" 853ebb, so I suppose the 737 will be fine...

    c) I have never run it rigid, so I can't help..

    Cheers

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    Have now started building up the Zion 29er.

    Any tips on running the hydraulic brake hoses through the guides?

    Do they just need some gentle force or do I need to disconnect from the lever end, thread through and bleed the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclenorm
    Have now started building up the Zion 29er.

    Any tips on running the hydraulic brake hoses through the guides?

    Do they just need some gentle force or do I need to disconnect from the lever end, thread through and bleed the system
    I'm interested on this too... I just got hydros for my 853EBB (changing from Mechs) and I tried to "force" them in a bit.. but the guides wouldn't move much....

    I might just put it through the guides when I get around to cutting the lines

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    I took a rag and wraped it around a screw driver and spread the guides out a little. I then placed a thin piece of inner tube around the hydro line and snaped it in. After that I took the rag and put it on both sides of the guide and sqeezed them with some pliers. My lines were very secure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    I took a rag and wraped it around a screw driver and spread the guides out a little. I then placed a thin piece of inner tube around the hydro line and snaped it in. After that I took the rag and put it on both sides of the guide and sqeezed them with some pliers. My lines were very secure.
    I'll try that... thanks Enoch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    I took a rag and wraped it around a screw driver and spread the guides out a little. I then placed a thin piece of inner tube around the hydro line and snaped it in. After that I took the rag and put it on both sides of the guide and sqeezed them with some pliers. My lines were very secure.
    I'd agree that once in, the hoses will be well secured but surely spreading the guide and closing it back up can't what it is designed to do?

    Although having read the responses I'm far more likely to try this method that break the hoses

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclenorm
    I'd agree that once in, the hoses will be well secured but surely spreading the guide and closing it back up can't what it is designed to do?

    Although having read the responses I'm far more likely to try this method that break the hoses
    I've ended up with this method...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    I've ended up with this method...
    You knew I would see this. C'mon and give the goods. I can't wait till tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    You knew I would see this. C'mon and give the goods. I can't wait till tomorrow.
    My wife borrowed my camera,so I didn't get any pics after brazing on the new guides, and now the frame is at paint. When the guides start to look like this is time to slow down. Bring your camera tomorrow and we will get some pics of yours From Start to finish.

    We can start a thread and call it " how to spend a fortune re-doing a $250 Zion. Frame "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    My wife borrowed my camera,so I didn't get any pics after brazing on the new guides, and now the frame is at paint. When the guides start to look like this is time to slow down. Bring your camera tomorrow and we will get some pics of yours From Start to finish.

    We can start a thread and call it " how to spend a fortune re-doing a $250 Zion. Frame "
    I'll bring it with me.
    I've got a head start as I paid an extra $25 for 2 day shipping. I hope to have the first Zion that costs over $4,000 when I'm done.
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    Don't forget that High dollar BB you installed.

    With new guides and powder coating, I'm up to $70 spent on mine. Now if I could find someone to print me some new Zion stickers I spend a few more sheckles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    Don't forget that High dollar BB you installed.

    With new guides and powder coating, I'm up to $70 spent on mine. Now if I could find someone to print me some new Zion stickers I spend a few more sheckles.
    New stickers, eh?

    Just get some from www.misfitpsycles.com/catalog

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    Just recieved my large 737ebb. Today I am going to face the disk mounts and headtube, and then on with the build up. More pics to follow as events unfold.

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    Decision made after much deliberation between the Zion and the On-One.
    White Zion ordered.
    Hopefully she will be in my hot little hands in a week.
    Will build her and ride her as is for the moment but may take a leaf out of Dicky's book and get those cable guides moved and the frame repainted in the future.

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    Are those weights correct: Weight 4.7 lbs, 4.9 lbs, 5.1 lbs
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    Are those weights correct: Weight 4.7 lbs, 4.9 lbs, 5.1 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by realbiker
    Are those weights correct: Weight 4.7 lbs, 4.9 lbs, 5.1 lbs

    I found them to be pretty close, My medium was 4.9
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Decision made after much deliberation between the Zion and the On-One.
    White Zion ordered.
    Hopefully she will be in my hot little hands in a week.
    Will build her and ride her as is for the moment but may take a leaf out of Dicky's book and get those cable guides moved and the frame repainted in the future.
    Where did you buy from? Shipping to Oz can be expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    Where did you buy from? Shipping to Oz can be expensive.

    If it is new, it must come from Jenson, since Zion is the own brand... yeah shipping can get expensive... but not that terrible...I ordered mine from Jenson to Germany... no big deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    Where did you buy from? Shipping to Oz can be expensive.
    Yep, shipped from Jenson. with shipping originally quoted via their website at $61US but confirmed at $150US.
    Still, a $400US 29er frame is not that bad vs Australian prices (approx $500 Australian).

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    Just checked my order (status closed and frame noted as passing through customs in Sydney) and the shipping cost is still noted as $61 as per their website.
    If that remains it will mean that my frame will be landed at my door for less than $400.

    Bargain!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Just checked my order (status closed and frame noted as passing through customs in Sydney) and the shipping cost is still noted as $61 as per their website.
    If that remains it will mean that my frame will be landed at my door for less than $400.

    Bargain!!!!
    I will probably be the $61 originally offered... when I ordered my Zion 853 I paid around $70 but I ordered the frame with other goodies..however Jenson shipped using Fedex back then.. I don't know if UPS overcharges them for oversize items...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    I will probably be the $61 originally offered... when I ordered my Zion 853 I paid around $70 but I ordered the frame with other goodies..however Jenson shipped using Fedex back then.. I don't know if UPS overcharges them for oversize items...
    I will keep my fingers crossed and my mouth shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    I will keep my fingers crossed and my mouth shut.
    I'll keep my fingers croosed too

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    Anyone else noticed the similarities between the Niner Sir9 and Zion geometry??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Anyone else noticed the similarities between the Niner Sir9 and Zion geometry??
    Yep, the numbers on the small are awfully close to being the same. The Zion weighs a tad more, but the EBB's are 190 grams (Zion) and 110 grams (Sir 9). Also the Niner uses ti set screws, while the Zion uses HUGE 6mm head cap screws.
    I am definitely not comparing ride qualities or anything else. Just similarities in numbers and closeness in weight. I'm sure the build quality on the Niner would inspire more confidence.
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    do tell us the final shipping cost. Singapore cost abt the same from jenson's page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Yep, shipped from Jenson. with shipping originally quoted via their website at $61US but confirmed at $150US.
    Still, a $400US 29er frame is not that bad vs Australian prices (approx $500 Australian).
    How did you pay? They cant charge more than the shipping cost thats in the basket. Where can you get them from in Oz? Isnt $400USD more than $500AUD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    How did you pay? They cant charge more than the shipping cost thats in the basket. Where can you get them from in Oz? Isnt $400USD more than $500AUD?
    You CAN'T get them in Australia. They are a JensonUSA inhouse frame.

    OK $400US at .75c to the dollar is $533.34.
    If I am only charged the $61US for shipping my purchase will only be about $310US or $413.34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    You CAN'T get them in Australia. They are a JensonUSA inhouse frame.

    OK $400US at .75c to the dollar is $533.34.
    If I am only charged the $61US for shipping my purchase will only be about $310US or $413.34.
    Thats what I thought. I am just about to order one from Jenson and just wanted to check that I wasnt going to pay $150 shipping for a $250 frame.

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    I preorderd mine from Jenson, and it was shipped to Sydney, Australia for the US$61, so you should be fine. Not a bad frame for about AUS$400, I didn't want to drop AUS$1000 on a Salsa just to try 29'er, so I'll ride this a while and buy a nicer frame one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJM
    I preorderd mine from Jenson, and it was shipped to Sydney, Australia for the US$61, so you should be fine. Not a bad frame for about AUS$400, I didn't want to drop AUS$1000 on a Salsa just to try 29'er, so I'll ride this a while and buy a nicer frame one day.
    Cool.
    Sounds like I should be in luck then.
    Mine should show up this morning hopefully.
    It left customs in Sydney on Sunday so hass had a day to get from there to Brisbane.
    Unfortunately once it entered Australia there was no more tracking updates. I am sure I should be able to track it via Australia Post but cannot work out how to do it.

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    Enjoy it.
    I built mine up, then rode the Highland Fling 100 as my first ride on it, wasn't the smartest move, but it worked out perfectly. I'm still toying with taking it down to the Otway Odyssey this weekend, but the hills are making me think of riding gears and suspension for the first time in a year. One thing I am thinking of doing is ordering the 26" rigid fork and seeing if that speed things up a bit, I'm not complaining that its "slow", as it was nice on the longer 100's and 8/12 hours, but sometimes something a little "quicker' would be nice, and for $100 its not a huge investment.

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    It's kinda funny that these are welded up in Taiwan, shipped to the U.S., and then shipped back across the Pacific...

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    Arrived today.
    Invoice included says that shipping is $61.03 and that is what hass been charged to the account too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Arrived today.
    Invoice included says that shipping is $61.03 and that is what hass been charged to the account too.
    Bodged up pic:

    Already looking sweet!

    Congrats!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Arrived today.
    Invoice included says that shipping is $61.03 and that is what hass been charged to the account too.
    Did you get one of their Zoke forks as well? Pretty good deal if you did.

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    Hi TR,
    thats good news........ what else did you with the frame? or was it just the frame alone for USD$61 worth of shipping?

    anyone have any news when the 29er zion fork will be available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Over here!

    First of thanks for JensonUSA for donating the frame to the raffle at Mt. SAC Fat Tire Festival. And double thanks for shipping it to my home (the prize was a certificate good for any size and color)

    23.75 pounds as it sits. Generic gel seat, Thompson post, BB7, Weyless stem, Pace fork, AC Wheelset, Truvativ Stylo, Boone round things, KMC 1/8" chain, Rampage and Nevegal tires.

    Pictures of bike, plenty clearance for mud (nevagal and rampage are nearly same size), and camouflaged.

    edit - Medium frame
    Lovely pictures there.

    I was looking to go with chrome accents on my green frame but it's easier to go black and you're bike looks look great green/black.

    Can I ask what hub / cog combination you have on the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Did you get one of their Zoke forks as well? Pretty good deal if you did.
    Nope that is my existing Reba.
    I did ask a mate whether he wanted me to get him the Zoke but he decided that he did not want it.
    I just got the frame for that price which is still a great deal vs what is available over here for $400 Australian or so.
    To put it in perspective a KM frame and fork would cost close enough to $1000 over here.
    I did look at getting a Haro Mary and parting it out but by the time I sold off all the stuff I did not want I would have been paying $1000 Australian for a frame, cassette, shifters and derailleurs.
    My build kit has been ordered via Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK who offer free shipping to Australia for orders greater than 250 British Pounds. It has shipped today and should be here early next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs
    anyone have any news when the 29er zion fork will be available?
    Don't Jenson have it available now
    I got a black zion 29er fork when I ordered the frame.
    Mind you I haven't yet got the wheels to try it out - it had better be a 29er fork!

    Saying that I've just checked the website and they only have the 26er available so maybe thats what your meant D'oh!

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    Welcome TR to the SIx million Dollar Zion club.

    Your silver fork would look great on my blue Zion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs
    anyone have any news when the 29er zion fork will be available?
    Just got off the phone with one of their customer service guy. According to him, the 29er forks are all out of stock and won't come in for a few months; and that's as much as he knew.

    So who wants to sell me their zion 29er fork in black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    Welcome TR to the SIx million Dollar Zion club.

    Your silver fork would look great on my blue Zion.
    Swap you if you pay the shipping both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    Welcome TR to the SIx million Dollar Zion club.
    Have not had a really good look at my frame but what I saw of it I think it will be perfectly fine for general riding and a few endurance type events this year.
    Cannot really see much reason to muck around cutting and painting.
    Interestingly I only seem to see the EBB model SS frames posted up.
    Does anyone other than me have a geared one here??

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    Anyone here around 6'5"? I am concerned about the 19" seat tube, and the slightly shorter top tube compared to other large/22" frames. I am used to using long seatposts, but I am concerned about the handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    Anyone here around 6'5"? I am concerned about the 19" seat tube, and the slightly shorter top tube compared to other large/22" frames. I am used to using long seatposts, but I am concerned about the handling.
    Afie
    You have absolutely no business even looking at a Large (19.75" seat tube) Zion (or any other 20" bike for that matter.
    Not only will you have the seatpost ridiculously high but the TT will also be too short.
    I am 6'3" and the 24.55" TT is about as short as I will go.
    If you are in Australia you need to contact Shannon at MTBPrecision on 0413180022 and discuss what options he can offer.
    I would suggest a Ventana will have an off the shelf size that will better suit you.
    Shannon is the Australian distributor for Ventana, Niner, Blacksheep, Moots and Independant Fabrications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shishku
    Just recieved my large 737ebb. Today I am going to face the disk mounts and headtube, and then on with the build up. More pics to follow as events unfold.
    Just curious as to what your build will consist of? Are you going with a Reba or rigid? Just ordered a large 737ebb and am curious if that size will still have clearance issues with a Reba SL (no poploc)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Afie
    You have absolutely no business even looking at a Large (19.75" seat tube) Zion (or any other 20" bike for that matter.
    Not only will you have the seatpost ridiculously high but the TT will also be too short.
    I am 6'3" and the 24.55" TT is about as short as I will go.
    If you are in Australia you need to contact Shannon at MTBPrecision on 0413180022 and discuss what options he can offer.
    I would suggest a Ventana will have an off the shelf size that will better suit you.
    Shannon is the Australian distributor for Ventana, Niner, Blacksheep, Moots and Independant Fabrications.
    The thing is, the top tube is not much of a problem. Its only 0.7" shorter than a Niner, 0.35" shorter than a Karate Monkey, 0.85" shorter than a Ventana, which would only mean a 20mm longer stem (ontop of an already long stem).
    The seattube is ~two inches shorter than a Karate Monkey. I am debating whether this could be made up in seatpost.
    The Ventana has a good size, but I can get a custom Spicer or Clockwork for $200 less.
    I have contacted Shannon before, but the Australian pricing precludes me from buying from anywhere but the US.
    Unfortunately (though it is also a good bike) it seems to be the Karate Monkey for a 60% price increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    The thing is, the top tube is not much of a problem. Its only 0.7" shorter than a Niner, 0.35" shorter than a Karate Monkey, 0.85" shorter than a Ventana, which would only mean a 20mm longer stem (ontop of an already long stem).
    The seattube is ~two inches shorter than a Karate Monkey. I am debating whether this could be made up in seatpost.
    The Ventana has a good size, but I can get a custom Spicer or Clockwork for $200 less.
    I have contacted Shannon before, but the Australian pricing precludes me from buying from anywhere but the US.
    Unfortunately (though it is also a good bike) it seems to be the Karate Monkey for a 60% price increase.
    Huh???
    What size are you quoting there???
    The TT on the Zion is .05" longer than a 22" El Comandante.
    As I said you are too big for a 20" bike IMO.
    29ers are renowned for their slower steering and so I would suggest a 130mm stem or longer can only exacerbate this problem.
    Buy from Shannon or buy from the US but dont buy a bike that will not fit you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riderjtt
    My Zion just got dropped off by the man. Finish quality not quite up to the Inbred, but the welds aren't TOO bad. Pleasantly surprised by the weight, though. 4lbs, 6oz for the size small. One lb less than my Inbred with the steel sliding dropouts. Tire clearance looks excellent. We'll see about ride quality soon.
    man thats odd that you would say that. the inbreds i have seen scream taiwan with the finish work. all the bolts and the dropouts themself seemed pretty janky to me. i was not very impressed. just from the picture (i know its hard to tell) this bike seems to have a little better finish work.

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    My zion will be in next week. I am super excited!!
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    Anyone put a Weirwolf 2.55 in the back yet? I've heard they are really no larger than the 2.2 Nev or 2.35 Rampage, but a picture or first-hand account would make me feel better about the purchase. Thanks.
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    Any other "custom" pain jobs on their Zions?

    Anyone find a paint color to match the green (for my fork).

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